the Key/ASFS building switch...

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This isn't true though.
The current APS projection for all the units zoned for asfs for 2021 has the total number of students at 656. Adding in the western lyon village planning units, you have 754 students in 2021 -- that's within 10 percent of the building capacity, and pretty much exactly at the max preferred capacity. The whole idea that the key building doesn't have room for everyone is fake news and saying it over and over doesn't make it true.
Looking at the south arlington boundary process, its not guaranteed that all of the expanded walk zone will get zoned for key anyways -- they moved part of randolph's walk zone to drew in the latest proposal. If they are having trouble filling taylor, its very likely that they won't move all of lyon village.

Some of the proposals do move some walkable units from Randolph, and some add a unit in the expanded walk zone. But that is because all of the planning units currently zoned to Randolph are walkable and Randolph is over capacity. In order to reduce the number of students, they have to move walkable units.

Key has a permanent capacity of 653, with trailers it is 749. The last projections I saw for 2021 was 780 students (676 zoned to ASFS and 104 from the expanded walk zone). Also, APS projects that in 2021 it will have 47 more permanent seats than students. I think APS will try balance capacity so most schools are close to their permanent capacity. So if you are in planning units 24130, 24061, 24060, 24051, and 24050 I would be owrried. Moving those units out gets the 2021 projected number of students to 649 students, which is right below the permanent capacity.
But please feel free to advocate to for APS to leave the Key building at almost 120% capacity when the entire system is undercapacity. It will help the rest of the system stay under capacity longer.

24110, 24100, 24111, and 24120 are also bus riders and are significantly closer to both Long Branch and Taylor.

stop it, you are not telling the truth.
I live in 24100 -- the market commons -- but I don't have kids in school so I have no idea where your hate for my neighborhood comes from. The number of times the Market commons and Clarendon gets brought up here is really ridiculous. I live 0.3 miles from Key, 1.1 miles from long branch, and 2.2 miles from taylor.
They updated the projection numbers as part of the things they released with the south arlington boundary process -- your numbers are off -- key with the expanded walk zone attached is projected to be at 754 students -- the original poster you quoted was right.

Wait, my bad. I miscounted -- the total is 776 with the expanded walk zone.

So the number is close to 780 and people seem to agree that the Key building doesn't have room for everyone. The argument now seems to be which poor kids to move.

Moving Rosslyn units keeps more economic diversity at Key than moving the Market Commons units. That is because moving Market Commons also means moving Woodbury Park since it has the highest number of students in those planning units. It also happens to be the mostly Economically Disadvantaged.

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Anonymous wrote:How is the neighborhood of single family homes around key diverse? It doesn’t seem that way. But I’m willing to look at objective facts. To be sure, the new neighborhood key — and, sorry, the swap is happening, folks — will have some diversity from Rossly lb and wine be lily white.

There aren’t just SFHs around Key.

Uh, that’s why I specifically referred to the neighborhood of sfhs around Key.

Why do you only care about SFHs? There a mix of housing types in the area right around Key. SFHs, garden apartments, THs, larger apartment complexes. Why are you arbitrarily just singling out SFHs? You realize families live in all of those types of housing, right?

For sure. But other posters have suggested that folks in these dwelling places will not be going to Key. So ... Key will largely be filled with white privileged people.

Not true. People have suggested that Rosslyn might get moved to Taylor or Long Branch, but not the area right around Key (which is much more than LV).

Expensive townhouses and rentals? Otherwise I’m not sure what you’re getting at.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
This isn't true though.
The current APS projection for all the units zoned for asfs for 2021 has the total number of students at 656. Adding in the western lyon village planning units, you have 754 students in 2021 -- that's within 10 percent of the building capacity, and pretty much exactly at the max preferred capacity. The whole idea that the key building doesn't have room for everyone is fake news and saying it over and over doesn't make it true.
Looking at the south arlington boundary process, its not guaranteed that all of the expanded walk zone will get zoned for key anyways -- they moved part of randolph's walk zone to drew in the latest proposal. If they are having trouble filling taylor, its very likely that they won't move all of lyon village.

Some of the proposals do move some walkable units from Randolph, and some add a unit in the expanded walk zone. But that is because all of the planning units currently zoned to Randolph are walkable and Randolph is over capacity. In order to reduce the number of students, they have to move walkable units.

Key has a permanent capacity of 653, with trailers it is 749. The last projections I saw for 2021 was 780 students (676 zoned to ASFS and 104 from the expanded walk zone). Also, APS projects that in 2021 it will have 47 more permanent seats than students. I think APS will try balance capacity so most schools are close to their permanent capacity. So if you are in planning units 24130, 24061, 24060, 24051, and 24050 I would be owrried. Moving those units out gets the 2021 projected number of students to 649 students, which is right below the permanent capacity.
But please feel free to advocate to for APS to leave the Key building at almost 120% capacity when the entire system is undercapacity. It will help the rest of the system stay under capacity longer.

24110, 24100, 24111, and 24120 are also bus riders and are significantly closer to both Long Branch and Taylor.

stop it, you are not telling the truth.
I live in 24100 -- the market commons -- but I don't have kids in school so I have no idea where your hate for my neighborhood comes from. The number of times the Market commons and Clarendon gets brought up here is really ridiculous. I live 0.3 miles from Key, 1.1 miles from long branch, and 2.2 miles from taylor.
They updated the projection numbers as part of the things they released with the south arlington boundary process -- your numbers are off -- key with the expanded walk zone attached is projected to be at 754 students -- the original poster you quoted was right.

Wait, my bad. I miscounted -- the total is 776 with the expanded walk zone.

So the number is close to 780 and people seem to agree that the Key building doesn't have room for everyone. The argument now seems to be which poor kids to move.

Moving Rosslyn units keeps more economic diversity at Key than moving the Market Commons units. That is because moving Market Commons also means moving Woodbury Park since it has the highest number of students in those planning units. It also happens to be the mostly Economically Disadvantaged.

BUT Woodbury Park to Long Branch is about a mile, River Place is 2 miles to Long Bridge and over 3 to Taylor. Also, 24110 and 24120 are the only two planning units that feed into Jefferson instead of Stratford.

[Anonymous]

24110, 24100, 24111, and 24120 are also bus riders and are significantly closer to both Long Branch and Taylor.
stop it, you are not telling the truth.
I live in 24100 -- the market commons -- but I don't have kids in school so I have no idea where your hate for my neighborhood comes from. The number of times the Market commons and Clarendon gets brought up here is really ridiculous. I live 0.3 miles from Key, 1.1 miles from long branch, and 2.2 miles from taylor.
They updated the projection numbers as part of the things they released with the south arlington boundary process -- your numbers are off -- key with the expanded walk zone attached is projected to be at 754 students -- the original poster you quoted was right.
Wait, my bad. I miscounted -- the total is 776 with the expanded walk zone.
So the number is close to 780 and people seem to agree that the Key building doesn't have room for everyone. The argument now seems to be which poor kids to move.

Moving Rosslyn units keeps more economic diversity at Key than moving the Market Commons units. That is because moving Market Commons also means moving Woodbury Park since it has the highest number of students in those planning units. It also happens to be the mostly Economically Disadvantaged.

Why do you think moving Market Commons means moving Woodbury Park? These are separate PUs and not inextricably linked. Not sure I follow your logic.

[Anonymous]

Just throwing this out there but the units north of lee highway are the ones most likely to get moved.
Regardless it seems silly to spend two years guessing at aps projections and which units are likely to move.

[Anonymous]

Reston Town Center, I mean, Market Commons is a perfectly nice neighborhood with tons of charm and character. Why all the hate?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Just throwing this out there but the units north of lee highway are the ones most likely to get moved.
Regardless it seems silly to spend two years guessing at aps projections and which units are likely to move.

It is silly, of course, but it’s in response to the poster(s?) who insist that Rosslyn is going to Taylor no matter what so Key should stay Immersion.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Reston Town Center, I mean, Market Commons is a perfectly nice neighborhood with tons of charm and character. Why all the hate?

Again, what do you interpret as hate? Surely, you don't interpret someone asking you to explain a comment as hate? Strange comments re: hate. Afraid I don't follow.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Reston Town Center, I mean, Market Commons is a perfectly nice neighborhood with tons of charm and character. Why all the hate?

Charm and character? You cannot be serious.

[Anonymous]

Lyon Village to Long Branch.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Just throwing this out there but the units north of lee highway are the ones most likely to get moved.
Regardless it seems silly to spend two years guessing at aps projections and which units are likely to move.

Aren’t those units like 0.2 miles to Key?

[Anonymous]

The Market Commons stuff is because someone a few months ago on one of these threads had an obvious grudge and kept going off about how those units were going to long branch.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Just throwing this out there but the units north of lee highway are the ones most likely to get moved.
Regardless it seems silly to spend two years guessing at aps projections and which units are likely to move.

Aren’t those units like 0.2 miles to Key?

More like .4, but a bus rider is a bus rider. Lee Highway is too dangerous for elementary school kids to cross.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Just throwing this out there but the units north of lee highway are the ones most likely to get moved.
Regardless it seems silly to spend two years guessing at aps projections and which units are likely to move.

Aren’t those units like 0.2 miles to Key?

More like .4, but a bus rider is a bus rider. Lee Highway is too dangerous for elementary school kids to cross.

Not exactly. Unless there are zero buses or exactly 100% capacity buses those PUs will be on the route for just about any bus going to the key bus line (east on Key blvd) and essentially are ‘free’.

Now if Key is 100% walker it might make sense to remove them, but that seems unlikely.

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Anonymous wrote:Just throwing this out there but the units north of lee highway are the ones most likely to get moved.
Regardless it seems silly to spend two years guessing at aps projections and which units are likely to move.

Aren’t those units like 0.2 miles to Key?

More like .4, but a bus rider is a bus rider. Lee Highway is too dangerous for elementary school kids to cross.

Not exactly. Unless there are zero buses or exactly 100% capacity buses those PUs will be on the route for just about any bus going to the key bus line (east on Key blvd) and essentially are ‘free’.

Now if Key is 100% walker it might make sense to remove them, but that seems unlikely.

There are also buses picking up just east of there for Taylor that could grab them on the way by.

I still think we’re going to end up with neighborhood schools at ASFS and Key buildings when the dust settles.