the Key/ASFS building switch...

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Anonymous wrote:It’s true that the Rosslyn/Courthouse neighborhoods brought diversity to the former Key/ASFS zone, and it’s very likely that Rosslyn will be zoned out of whatever neighborhood school they try to put in the Key location when they redraw the boundaries and expand the walk zone. Probably to Taylor (where western Rosslyn already is zoned) or Long Branch.

Classic.

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Thank you for posting this (I am the poster you were responding to). This is definitely a more nuanced set of data, for all of the reasons you note. The most interesting one is the idea that kids who are struggling drop out of immersion. I know some kids don't make the transition from Key to Gunston because of distance, and others drop out of Gunston and head to Swanson for both academic and social reasons. I wonder how they end up doing?

There are a LOT of kids who drop out of immersion before they even finish 5th grade. I think it averages about 30 kids in a grade from 1st-5th grade. We are an immersion family drop out- and I have spoken with a ton of immersion drop out's. I am not aware of any real study that APS has done- in the same report linked above there are some interviews with immersion drop outs- but it is still more anecdotal than true research.
If you look at the research that Dr. Meyers, former Key Principal did- kids with learning issues do as well in immersion as in non-immersion environments- e.g. they do badly both places.
That being said- her research tracked those that continued in immersion, not those that withdrew.
In talking to parents- both who dropped out and who continued on- most will justify their choice.
Teachers frequently encourage the drop out. Again- looking at that study teachers are quoted as saying that kids are in immersion because their parents want them there, not because they want to be there- and they should be allowed to leave. Also, that they should be kicked out after 2nd grade if they don't know enough Spanish. I get the appeal of this thinking- but it leads to more self-selection. A teacher in a neighborhood school could never say to a parent- 'hey, I think you are the one who wants Larla to learn to read, Larla's not that interested and I think Larla would be better off not going to school.'
Also- while this is obviously a generalization, and there are some glaring exceptions- I think the teachers outside of immersion are generally better. The school appears to overlook a lot of mediocre teaching b/c the teacher is bilingual, and that's really hard to find.

Sounds a little bitter.

As a supporter of immersion (with two kids who have gone through the program and have thrived academically so far in HS), I actually don't think this sounds bitter at all. While I wouldn't agree with the (admittedly generalized) characterization of immersion teachers as generally not as good as immersion teachers, we did find that some of the Spanish teachers who were originally trained in Latin America had a tougher style than most American-trained elementary school teachers, which could be a little jarring to the kids. Immersion may not work for everyone, but for those who go through the program, I think it is a fantastic opportunity.

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Hit post too fast. As I mentioned, I think Immersion is a fantastic opportunity for kids, which is why I think forcing a shrinkage in the program is a big mistake for APS.

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Anonymous wrote:How is the neighborhood of single family homes around key diverse? It doesn’t seem that way. But I’m willing to look at objective facts. To be sure, the new neighborhood key — and, sorry, the swap is happening, folks — will have some diversity from Rossly lb and wine be lily white.

There aren’t just SFHs around Key.

Uh, that’s why I specifically referred to the neighborhood of sfhs around Key.

Why do you only care about SFHs? There a mix of housing types in the area right around Key. SFHs, garden apartments, THs, larger apartment complexes. Why are you arbitrarily just singling out SFHs? You realize families live in all of those types of housing, right?

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Anonymous wrote:How is the neighborhood of single family homes around key diverse? It doesn’t seem that way. But I’m willing to look at objective facts. To be sure, the new neighborhood key — and, sorry, the swap is happening, folks — will have some diversity from Rossly lb and wine be lily white.

There aren’t just SFHs around Key.

Uh, that’s why I specifically referred to the neighborhood of sfhs around Key.

Why do you only care about SFHs? There a mix of housing types in the area right around Key. SFHs, garden apartments, THs, larger apartment complexes. Why are you arbitrarily just singling out SFHs? You realize families live in all of those types of housing, right?

For sure. But other posters have suggested that folks in these dwelling places will not be going to Key. So ... Key will largely be filled with white privileged people.

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Anonymous wrote:How is the neighborhood of single family homes around key diverse? It doesn’t seem that way. But I’m willing to look at objective facts. To be sure, the new neighborhood key — and, sorry, the swap is happening, folks — will have some diversity from Rossly lb and wine be lily white.

There aren’t just SFHs around Key.

Uh, that’s why I specifically referred to the neighborhood of sfhs around Key.

Why do you only care about SFHs? There a mix of housing types in the area right around Key. SFHs, garden apartments, THs, larger apartment complexes. Why are you arbitrarily just singling out SFHs? You realize families live in all of those types of housing, right?

For sure. But other posters have suggested that folks in these dwelling places will not be going to Key. So ... Key will largely be filled with white privileged people.

Those would be Key and Cherrydale parents trying to prevent the swap. There is no evidence that this would be the case.

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Anonymous wrote:How is the neighborhood of single family homes around key diverse? It doesn’t seem that way. But I’m willing to look at objective facts. To be sure, the new neighborhood key — and, sorry, the swap is happening, folks — will have some diversity from Rossly lb and wine be lily white.

There aren’t just SFHs around Key.

Uh, that’s why I specifically referred to the neighborhood of sfhs around Key.

Why do you only care about SFHs? There a mix of housing types in the area right around Key. SFHs, garden apartments, THs, larger apartment complexes. Why are you arbitrarily just singling out SFHs? You realize families live in all of those types of housing, right?

For sure. But other posters have suggested that folks in these dwelling places will not be going to Key. So ... Key will largely be filled with white privileged people.

This isn't true though.
The current APS projection for all the units zoned for asfs for 2021 has the total number of students at 656. Adding in the western lyon village planning units, you have 754 students in 2021 -- that's within 10 percent of the building capacity, and pretty much exactly at the max preferred capacity. The whole idea that the key building doesn't have room for everyone is fake news and saying it over and over doesn't make it true.
Looking at the south arlington boundary process, its not guaranteed that all of the expanded walk zone will get zoned for key anyways -- they moved part of randolph's walk zone to drew in the latest proposal. If they are having trouble filling taylor, its very likely that they won't move all of lyon village.

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Anonymous wrote:How is the neighborhood of single family homes around key diverse? It doesn’t seem that way. But I’m willing to look at objective facts. To be sure, the new neighborhood key — and, sorry, the swap is happening, folks — will have some diversity from Rossly lb and wine be lily white.

There aren’t just SFHs around Key.

Uh, that’s why I specifically referred to the neighborhood of sfhs around Key.

Why do you only care about SFHs? There a mix of housing types in the area right around Key. SFHs, garden apartments, THs, larger apartment complexes. Why are you arbitrarily just singling out SFHs? You realize families live in all of those types of housing, right?

For sure. But other posters have suggested that folks in these dwelling places will not be going to Key. So ... Key will largely be filled with white privileged people.

Not true. People have suggested that Rosslyn might get moved to Taylor or Long Branch, but not the area right around Key (which is much more than LV).

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This isn't true though.
The current APS projection for all the units zoned for asfs for 2021 has the total number of students at 656. Adding in the western lyon village planning units, you have 754 students in 2021 -- that's within 10 percent of the building capacity, and pretty much exactly at the max preferred capacity. The whole idea that the key building doesn't have room for everyone is fake news and saying it over and over doesn't make it true.
Looking at the south arlington boundary process, its not guaranteed that all of the expanded walk zone will get zoned for key anyways -- they moved part of randolph's walk zone to drew in the latest proposal. If they are having trouble filling taylor, its very likely that they won't move all of lyon village.

Some of the proposals do move some walkable units from Randolph, and some add a unit in the expanded walk zone. But that is because all of the planning units currently zoned to Randolph are walkable and Randolph is over capacity. In order to reduce the number of students, they have to move walkable units.

Key has a permanent capacity of 653, with trailers it is 749. The last projections I saw for 2021 was 780 students (676 zoned to ASFS and 104 from the expanded walk zone). Also, APS projects that in 2021 it will have 47 more permanent seats than students. I think APS will try balance capacity so most schools are close to their permanent capacity. So if you are in planning units 24130, 24061, 24060, 24051, and 24050 I would be owrried. Moving those units out gets the 2021 projected number of students to 649 students, which is right below the permanent capacity.
But please feel free to advocate to for APS to leave the Key building at almost 120% capacity when the entire system is undercapacity. It will help the rest of the system stay under capacity longer.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:
This isn't true though.
The current APS projection for all the units zoned for asfs for 2021 has the total number of students at 656. Adding in the western lyon village planning units, you have 754 students in 2021 -- that's within 10 percent of the building capacity, and pretty much exactly at the max preferred capacity. The whole idea that the key building doesn't have room for everyone is fake news and saying it over and over doesn't make it true.
Looking at the south arlington boundary process, its not guaranteed that all of the expanded walk zone will get zoned for key anyways -- they moved part of randolph's walk zone to drew in the latest proposal. If they are having trouble filling taylor, its very likely that they won't move all of lyon village.

Some of the proposals do move some walkable units from Randolph, and some add a unit in the expanded walk zone. But that is because all of the planning units currently zoned to Randolph are walkable and Randolph is over capacity. In order to reduce the number of students, they have to move walkable units.

Key has a permanent capacity of 653, with trailers it is 749. The last projections I saw for 2021 was 780 students (676 zoned to ASFS and 104 from the expanded walk zone). Also, APS projects that in 2021 it will have 47 more permanent seats than students. I think APS will try balance capacity so most schools are close to their permanent capacity. So if you are in planning units 24130, 24061, 24060, 24051, and 24050 I would be owrried. Moving those units out gets the 2021 projected number of students to 649 students, which is right below the permanent capacity.
But please feel free to advocate to for APS to leave the Key building at almost 120% capacity when the entire system is undercapacity. It will help the rest of the system stay under capacity longer.

24110, 24100, 24111, and 24120 are also bus riders and are significantly closer to both Long Branch and Taylor.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
This isn't true though.
The current APS projection for all the units zoned for asfs for 2021 has the total number of students at 656. Adding in the western lyon village planning units, you have 754 students in 2021 -- that's within 10 percent of the building capacity, and pretty much exactly at the max preferred capacity. The whole idea that the key building doesn't have room for everyone is fake news and saying it over and over doesn't make it true.
Looking at the south arlington boundary process, its not guaranteed that all of the expanded walk zone will get zoned for key anyways -- they moved part of randolph's walk zone to drew in the latest proposal. If they are having trouble filling taylor, its very likely that they won't move all of lyon village.

Some of the proposals do move some walkable units from Randolph, and some add a unit in the expanded walk zone. But that is because all of the planning units currently zoned to Randolph are walkable and Randolph is over capacity. In order to reduce the number of students, they have to move walkable units.

Key has a permanent capacity of 653, with trailers it is 749. The last projections I saw for 2021 was 780 students (676 zoned to ASFS and 104 from the expanded walk zone). Also, APS projects that in 2021 it will have 47 more permanent seats than students. I think APS will try balance capacity so most schools are close to their permanent capacity. So if you are in planning units 24130, 24061, 24060, 24051, and 24050 I would be owrried. Moving those units out gets the 2021 projected number of students to 649 students, which is right below the permanent capacity.
But please feel free to advocate to for APS to leave the Key building at almost 120% capacity when the entire system is undercapacity. It will help the rest of the system stay under capacity longer.

24110, 24100, 24111, and 24120 are also bus riders and are significantly closer to both Long Branch and Taylor.

stop it, you are not telling the truth.
I live in 24100 -- the market commons -- but I don't have kids in school so I have no idea where your hate for my neighborhood comes from. The number of times the Market commons and Clarendon gets brought up here is really ridiculous. I live 0.3 miles from Key, 1.1 miles from long branch, and 2.2 miles from taylor.
They updated the projection numbers as part of the things they released with the south arlington boundary process -- your numbers are off -- key with the expanded walk zone attached is projected to be at 754 students -- the original poster you quoted was right.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
This isn't true though.
The current APS projection for all the units zoned for asfs for 2021 has the total number of students at 656. Adding in the western lyon village planning units, you have 754 students in 2021 -- that's within 10 percent of the building capacity, and pretty much exactly at the max preferred capacity. The whole idea that the key building doesn't have room for everyone is fake news and saying it over and over doesn't make it true.
Looking at the south arlington boundary process, its not guaranteed that all of the expanded walk zone will get zoned for key anyways -- they moved part of randolph's walk zone to drew in the latest proposal. If they are having trouble filling taylor, its very likely that they won't move all of lyon village.

Some of the proposals do move some walkable units from Randolph, and some add a unit in the expanded walk zone. But that is because all of the planning units currently zoned to Randolph are walkable and Randolph is over capacity. In order to reduce the number of students, they have to move walkable units.

Key has a permanent capacity of 653, with trailers it is 749. The last projections I saw for 2021 was 780 students (676 zoned to ASFS and 104 from the expanded walk zone). Also, APS projects that in 2021 it will have 47 more permanent seats than students. I think APS will try balance capacity so most schools are close to their permanent capacity. So if you are in planning units 24130, 24061, 24060, 24051, and 24050 I would be owrried. Moving those units out gets the 2021 projected number of students to 649 students, which is right below the permanent capacity.
But please feel free to advocate to for APS to leave the Key building at almost 120% capacity when the entire system is undercapacity. It will help the rest of the system stay under capacity longer.

24110, 24100, 24111, and 24120 are also bus riders and are significantly closer to both Long Branch and Taylor.

stop it, you are not telling the truth.
I live in 24100 -- the market commons -- but I don't have kids in school so I have no idea where your hate for my neighborhood comes from. The number of times the Market commons and Clarendon gets brought up here is really ridiculous. I live 0.3 miles from Key, 1.1 miles from long branch, and 2.2 miles from taylor.
They updated the projection numbers as part of the things they released with the south arlington boundary process -- your numbers are off -- key with the expanded walk zone attached is projected to be at 754 students -- the original poster you quoted was right.

Sorry, I meant closer to Taylor and Long Branch than the Rosslyn units previously quoted. Obviously Key is closer than either Long Branch or Taylor to all of the units mentioned above. I'm just pointing out there are more kids outside the walk zone than just Rosslyn who could be moved. I don't have any particular vendetta against your neighborhood.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
This isn't true though.
The current APS projection for all the units zoned for asfs for 2021 has the total number of students at 656. Adding in the western lyon village planning units, you have 754 students in 2021 -- that's within 10 percent of the building capacity, and pretty much exactly at the max preferred capacity. The whole idea that the key building doesn't have room for everyone is fake news and saying it over and over doesn't make it true.
Looking at the south arlington boundary process, its not guaranteed that all of the expanded walk zone will get zoned for key anyways -- they moved part of randolph's walk zone to drew in the latest proposal. If they are having trouble filling taylor, its very likely that they won't move all of lyon village.

Some of the proposals do move some walkable units from Randolph, and some add a unit in the expanded walk zone. But that is because all of the planning units currently zoned to Randolph are walkable and Randolph is over capacity. In order to reduce the number of students, they have to move walkable units.

Key has a permanent capacity of 653, with trailers it is 749. The last projections I saw for 2021 was 780 students (676 zoned to ASFS and 104 from the expanded walk zone). Also, APS projects that in 2021 it will have 47 more permanent seats than students. I think APS will try balance capacity so most schools are close to their permanent capacity. So if you are in planning units 24130, 24061, 24060, 24051, and 24050 I would be owrried. Moving those units out gets the 2021 projected number of students to 649 students, which is right below the permanent capacity.
But please feel free to advocate to for APS to leave the Key building at almost 120% capacity when the entire system is undercapacity. It will help the rest of the system stay under capacity longer.

24110, 24100, 24111, and 24120 are also bus riders and are significantly closer to both Long Branch and Taylor.

stop it, you are not telling the truth.
I live in 24100 -- the market commons -- but I don't have kids in school so I have no idea where your hate for my neighborhood comes from. The number of times the Market commons and Clarendon gets brought up here is really ridiculous. I live 0.3 miles from Key, 1.1 miles from long branch, and 2.2 miles from taylor.
They updated the projection numbers as part of the things they released with the south arlington boundary process -- your numbers are off -- key with the expanded walk zone attached is projected to be at 754 students -- the original poster you quoted was right.

Wait, my bad. I miscounted -- the total is 776 with the expanded walk zone.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
This isn't true though.
The current APS projection for all the units zoned for asfs for 2021 has the total number of students at 656. Adding in the western lyon village planning units, you have 754 students in 2021 -- that's within 10 percent of the building capacity, and pretty much exactly at the max preferred capacity. The whole idea that the key building doesn't have room for everyone is fake news and saying it over and over doesn't make it true.
Looking at the south arlington boundary process, its not guaranteed that all of the expanded walk zone will get zoned for key anyways -- they moved part of randolph's walk zone to drew in the latest proposal. If they are having trouble filling taylor, its very likely that they won't move all of lyon village.

Some of the proposals do move some walkable units from Randolph, and some add a unit in the expanded walk zone. But that is because all of the planning units currently zoned to Randolph are walkable and Randolph is over capacity. In order to reduce the number of students, they have to move walkable units.

Key has a permanent capacity of 653, with trailers it is 749. The last projections I saw for 2021 was 780 students (676 zoned to ASFS and 104 from the expanded walk zone). Also, APS projects that in 2021 it will have 47 more permanent seats than students. I think APS will try balance capacity so most schools are close to their permanent capacity. So if you are in planning units 24130, 24061, 24060, 24051, and 24050 I would be owrried. Moving those units out gets the 2021 projected number of students to 649 students, which is right below the permanent capacity.
But please feel free to advocate to for APS to leave the Key building at almost 120% capacity when the entire system is undercapacity. It will help the rest of the system stay under capacity longer.

24110, 24100, 24111, and 24120 are also bus riders and are significantly closer to both Long Branch and Taylor.

stop it, you are not telling the truth.
I live in 24100 -- the market commons -- but I don't have kids in school so I have no idea where your hate for my neighborhood comes from. The number of times the Market commons and Clarendon gets brought up here is really ridiculous. I live 0.3 miles from Key, 1.1 miles from long branch, and 2.2 miles from taylor.
They updated the projection numbers as part of the things they released with the south arlington boundary process -- your numbers are off -- key with the expanded walk zone attached is projected to be at 754 students -- the original poster you quoted was right.

Sorry, I meant closer to Taylor and Long Branch than the Rosslyn units previously quoted. Obviously Key is closer than either Long Branch or Taylor to all of the units mentioned above. I'm just pointing out there are more kids outside the walk zone than just Rosslyn who could be moved. I don't have any particular vendetta against your neighborhood.

None of that read like an attack against your neighborhood to me. What gives?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
This isn't true though.
The current APS projection for all the units zoned for asfs for 2021 has the total number of students at 656. Adding in the western lyon village planning units, you have 754 students in 2021 -- that's within 10 percent of the building capacity, and pretty much exactly at the max preferred capacity. The whole idea that the key building doesn't have room for everyone is fake news and saying it over and over doesn't make it true.
Looking at the south arlington boundary process, its not guaranteed that all of the expanded walk zone will get zoned for key anyways -- they moved part of randolph's walk zone to drew in the latest proposal. If they are having trouble filling taylor, its very likely that they won't move all of lyon village.

Some of the proposals do move some walkable units from Randolph, and some add a unit in the expanded walk zone. But that is because all of the planning units currently zoned to Randolph are walkable and Randolph is over capacity. In order to reduce the number of students, they have to move walkable units.

Key has a permanent capacity of 653, with trailers it is 749. The last projections I saw for 2021 was 780 students (676 zoned to ASFS and 104 from the expanded walk zone). Also, APS projects that in 2021 it will have 47 more permanent seats than students. I think APS will try balance capacity so most schools are close to their permanent capacity. So if you are in planning units 24130, 24061, 24060, 24051, and 24050 I would be owrried. Moving those units out gets the 2021 projected number of students to 649 students, which is right below the permanent capacity.
But please feel free to advocate to for APS to leave the Key building at almost 120% capacity when the entire system is undercapacity. It will help the rest of the system stay under capacity longer.

24110, 24100, 24111, and 24120 are also bus riders and are significantly closer to both Long Branch and Taylor.

stop it, you are not telling the truth.
I live in 24100 -- the market commons -- but I don't have kids in school so I have no idea where your hate for my neighborhood comes from. The number of times the Market commons and Clarendon gets brought up here is really ridiculous. I live 0.3 miles from Key, 1.1 miles from long branch, and 2.2 miles from taylor.
They updated the projection numbers as part of the things they released with the south arlington boundary process -- your numbers are off -- key with the expanded walk zone attached is projected to be at 754 students -- the original poster you quoted was right.

last i checked Market Common was a 1 mi bus ride to Key and a 1.2 mi bus ride to Long Branch ... so 6 min or 7 min option. both fully viable