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Anonymous wrote:One of the PP’s asked about whether it’s been shown BL actually lied. So I thought I’d break down some of the SH allegations (trying to take my mind off some other stuff):
Wayfair made her uncomfortable when either he or Jaime:
—Asked her trainer for her weight.
Seems like she was offended (since RR was also upset), but most likely Baldoni was not intending to fat-shame her, given all the times he encouraged her not to worry about her weight. He claims he was trying to prepare for a lift scene. She appears to have been mistaken (or lied?) about there not being a lift in the script.
—Sent her to a weight loss specialist.
She could have been offended when she saw this person’s website, or she could have mischaracterized this one. In any case, he has evidence showing that he was trying to get her probiotics, not weight loss medication.
—Approached her about being nude during birth scene.
Unclear what happened here. They probably did ask her, given they were toting around that video, but she did not end up being fully nude.
—Showed her a video of a woman giving birth
This did happen, and she did respond in a way that shows she was uncomfortable/thought it was porn. Video was put away after she said she would watch it later.
—Allowed people to wander on set during birthing scene in which she was mostly nude.
Baldoni shows set marked as closed, but we don’t know what happened on the day. There is some he said/she said here about who was present. There is also disagreement about what she was actually wearing. Either she was mostly nude with a thin strip of fabric “down there,” or she was wearing a pregnancy belly and hospital gown up top and black briefs on the bottom.
—Engaged in unscripted kissing.
This probably did happen, as JB claims both parties did this. The leaked video of the dance sequence shows he did kiss her neck, but she also mischaracterized at least some of what happened. (E.g., she insisted they talk throughout the unscripted scene but then also said there was no reason for him to talk in the unscripted scene.)
—Used the word “sexy” to describe her outfit.
This did happen, and Baldoni acknowledges BL was offended when he said it, so much so that he immediately apologized. We also know BL used this term around him to describe her outfits. But we do not know that BL ever used that term to describe outfits worn by members of the opposite sex.
Hired his friend to play the OBGYN.
This one seems like it was thrown in to establish a pattern of putting her in uncomfortable situations. The guy was a professional actor, so kinda think this one’s on her to act like a professional in return, but YMMV.
Walked in on her breastfeeding, and at least one time made eye contact with her (after asking the party to turn around).
We don’t really know for sure. We know she invited Baldoni in at least once. We know Heath was in her trailer while she was breastfeeding at least once and that he apologized “if” he inadvertently made eye contact.
What am I missing? I didn’t include anything that seemed to be outside the bounds of SH or anything that happened post production.
This is a good rundown, but a few things:
- The allegation against Heath is not that he walked in on her breastfeeding. It's that she was in the makeup trailer having body makeup removed from her chest (presumably like around her neckline area but she was apparently naked from the waist up) and Heath wanted to meet with her to discuss her complaint about Baldoni's behavior. According to her complaint, she asked if the meeting could wait until she was done and Heath insisted on staying, so she asked him to turn around. Lively then alleges she looked up and he was looking at her after she'd both asked him to leave and to turn around. Baldoni's complaint doesn't really challenge the basic facts here but says Lively was the one who was making it hard for them to find a time to meet, and also claims that Lively later joked about the incident and seemed okay with it.
- Lively also alleges that Baldoni and Heath spoke about porn on set multiple times and confessed to having porn addictions in the past. Lively says this came up multiple times and that she at one point told Baldoni that she had never seen porn, in an effort to get him to stop discussing it with her. Lively claims that Baldoni then revealed this to others in the cast/crew in a way that felt he was making ridiculing Lively for not having seen porn, or that he didn't believe it. Baldoni claims the discussions about porn only happened in relation to conversations about the film (I guess "male gaze" or whatever) and also says that Heath has never had a porn addiction and never claimed to have one on set.
- Lively alleges that one night she and Baldoni were sharing a car back to the city (Lively's assistant was also in the car) and that Baldoni shared with her a story about having been sexually assaulted by an ex-girlfriend. She claims he said this experience made him reflect on his own prior experiences with women and to ask himself if he'd always obtained consent from women he'd been with and that he hadn't. Baldoni claims this is a mischaracterization of what he said and that he was only talking about his experience being sexually assaulted by his girlfriend and did not say he'd had nonconsensual sex with women.
- Also part of Lively's claim regarding the on-camera intimacy is that she says Baldoni/Heath failed to involve an intimacy coordinator for scenes that weren't scripted as having intimacy but that she felt crossed the line into intimate scenes. Specifically the dancing scene he's released video of, and the birth scene which she said should have involved the intimacy coordinator if they were planning to push for nudity or partial nudity. Baldoni characterizes these scenes differently and says Lively was "fully clothed" in the birthing scene and also that the kissing in the dance scene did not rise to the level of requiring a coordinator. Baldoni also says Lively refused to meet with the intimacy coordinator during pre-production and that some of her objections to Baldoni related to him relaying things the intimacy coordinator had suggested (like apparently the IC suggested an oral sex sequence that was not in the script and when Baldoni related this to Lively, she felt it was an example of him trying to increase the level of intimacy or add "off script" intimacy).
- Lively also alleges some non-harassment stuff that I do think is still relevant because it raises the issue of whether she was justifiably uncomfortable on set and whether her demands prior to returning to set were reasonable. The biggest one is that she says Baldoni repeatedly told her that he'd been communicating with her dead father (who died in 2021) even after she asked him not to.
My conclusion on seeing this list (in the prior post and in mine) is that Lively's case is fairly thin as it's based on her interpretation of incidents that could certainly be read another way. And Baldoni's complaint mostly offers other, less alarming, characterizations of these exchanges.
However even after reading his characterizations of these incidents, I don't get the sense that she is "lying." Some of this stuff is weird and inappropriate even if not done with the intent to harass or violate boundaries. Other stuff seems like not a big deal and it seems like Lively overreacted. There definitely seems to have been miscommunication at various times and I sense these are two people who don't communicate or listen very well.
Mostly it makes me wonder what other people felt or saw on the set or if present during these interactions. I think it's a tough one because a film set is not a normal workplace. But I also think even on a film set, you shouldn't have to give up your privacy and you should be able to put some boundaries. It's very much a she said/he said and I don't feel either of them has made a super compelling case that they are right and the other person is wrong. There is enough there that I think it's possible Lively was harassed or at least made to feel very uncomfortable and that Wayfarer insufficiently responded to her complaints. I also think it's possible she's overreacting to a lot of this. But it could go either way. I wasn't there. It's very hard to judge.
I don't think Baldoni has come up with enough evidence to prove she manufactured this whole thing. He's characterizing the situations differently but not necessarily challenging the underlying facts. It's a tough one.
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