Masks optional by spring break

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Re: your point that it's all about *mandates,* not masks.

No.

This is not an ideological battle over the nuances of "mandates," however much you'd like to make that the new right wing talking point of the day.

"It's not about masks! It's about freedom!"

No. It's about masks. It's about the "nuance" of putting the agency and responsibility of keeping their school safe on the backs of the kids within it. The "nuance" of forcing people to go to work in an unsafe environment.

If it were actually about covid numbers going down you would have the "nuance" to understand that 3300 Americans dying daily means we are still in the meaty part of the lagging indicator that is covid deaths. As I type this, and one reason I am so furious about it, my next-door neighbor, who lost her daughter to covid before vaccines were available, is sick with a lung infection. Again. She's 90 and obviously tough as nails, because if this is covid it will be her third diagnosed case.

Her great granddaughter is also sick with it.for the third time. She just turned five.

I suppose you will see this as evidence that "masks don't work." I see it as a human tragedy that you are not willing to inconvenience yourself to prevent.

This post encapsulates everything that is wrong with discourse around COVID in left leaning circles. You really have it all:
- misrepresenting statements by those who disagree with you to make them sound like they are from the other political "team"
- Using anecdotes of deaths from COVID, rather than scientific evidence, to support your point of view
- Insisting those who.oppose mask mandates just don't want to be inconvenienced despite them citing real, tangible downsides to mask use in educational settings
- Generally being a self rigjteous POS

If you were so worried about real, tangible downsides to mask use in educational settings, you would have found some evidence of downsides back in September. You did not.

Instead you're bringing it up now, making the calculation that it's safe enough to do without masks NOW, and the issue is enough of a wedge issue that you can use it.

I get it. You don't like being wrong. I'm sure your wife has to watch herself!

The downsides have existed the entire time. It's just that now that the entire student body is eligible to be vaccinated and the case rates are falling it would make sense to end mask mandates

There are new variants coming and spring break/travel so continued masking makes sense. Having a vaccine mandate makes no sense.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Re: your point that it's all about *mandates,* not masks.

No.

This is not an ideological battle over the nuances of "mandates," however much you'd like to make that the new right wing talking point of the day.

"It's not about masks! It's about freedom!"

No. It's about masks. It's about the "nuance" of putting the agency and responsibility of keeping their school safe on the backs of the kids within it. The "nuance" of forcing people to go to work in an unsafe environment.

If it were actually about covid numbers going down you would have the "nuance" to understand that 3300 Americans dying daily means we are still in the meaty part of the lagging indicator that is covid deaths. As I type this, and one reason I am so furious about it, my next-door neighbor, who lost her daughter to covid before vaccines were available, is sick with a lung infection. Again. She's 90 and obviously tough as nails, because if this is covid it will be her third diagnosed case.

Her great granddaughter is also sick with it.for the third time. She just turned five.

I suppose you will see this as evidence that "masks don't work." I see it as a human tragedy that you are not willing to inconvenience yourself to prevent.

This post encapsulates everything that is wrong with discourse around COVID in left leaning circles. You really have it all:
- misrepresenting statements by those who disagree with you to make them sound like they are from the other political "team"
- Using anecdotes of deaths from COVID, rather than scientific evidence, to support your point of view
- Insisting those who.oppose mask mandates just don't want to be inconvenienced despite them citing real, tangible downsides to mask use in educational settings
- Generally being a self rigjteous POS

If you were so worried about real, tangible downsides to mask use in educational settings, you would have found some evidence of downsides back in September. You did not.

Instead you're bringing it up now, making the calculation that it's safe enough to do without masks NOW, and the issue is enough of a wedge issue that you can use it.

I get it. You don't like being wrong. I'm sure your wife has to watch herself!

The downsides have existed the entire time. It's just that now that the entire student body is eligible to be vaccinated and the case rates are falling it would make sense to end mask mandates

There are new variants coming and spring break/travel so continued masking makes sense. Having a vaccine mandate makes no sense.

Um, no. Vaccines work. Masks work.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Re: your point that it's all about *mandates,* not masks.

No.

This is not an ideological battle over the nuances of "mandates," however much you'd like to make that the new right wing talking point of the day.

"It's not about masks! It's about freedom!"

No. It's about masks. It's about the "nuance" of putting the agency and responsibility of keeping their school safe on the backs of the kids within it. The "nuance" of forcing people to go to work in an unsafe environment.

If it were actually about covid numbers going down you would have the "nuance" to understand that 3300 Americans dying daily means we are still in the meaty part of the lagging indicator that is covid deaths. As I type this, and one reason I am so furious about it, my next-door neighbor, who lost her daughter to covid before vaccines were available, is sick with a lung infection. Again. She's 90 and obviously tough as nails, because if this is covid it will be her third diagnosed case.

Her great granddaughter is also sick with it.for the third time. She just turned five.

I suppose you will see this as evidence that "masks don't work." I see it as a human tragedy that you are not willing to inconvenience yourself to prevent.

This post encapsulates everything that is wrong with discourse around COVID in left leaning circles. You really have it all:
- misrepresenting statements by those who disagree with you to make them sound like they are from the other political "team"
- Using anecdotes of deaths from COVID, rather than scientific evidence, to support your point of view
- Insisting those who.oppose mask mandates just don't want to be inconvenienced despite them citing real, tangible downsides to mask use in educational settings
- Generally being a self rigjteous POS

If you were so worried about real, tangible downsides to mask use in educational settings, you would have found some evidence of downsides back in September. You did not.

Instead you're bringing it up now, making the calculation that it's safe enough to do without masks NOW, and the issue is enough of a wedge issue that you can use it.

I get it. You don't like being wrong. I'm sure your wife has to watch herself!

The downsides have existed the entire time. It's just that now that the entire student body is eligible to be vaccinated and the case rates are falling it would make sense to end mask mandates

There are new variants coming and spring break/travel so continued masking makes sense. Having a vaccine mandate makes no sense.

Yay that was number seven on my list of stupid arguments. The phantom variant that is vaccine resistant

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Re: your point that it's all about *mandates,* not masks.

No.

This is not an ideological battle over the nuances of "mandates," however much you'd like to make that the new right wing talking point of the day.

"It's not about masks! It's about freedom!"

No. It's about masks. It's about the "nuance" of putting the agency and responsibility of keeping their school safe on the backs of the kids within it. The "nuance" of forcing people to go to work in an unsafe environment.

If it were actually about covid numbers going down you would have the "nuance" to understand that 3300 Americans dying daily means we are still in the meaty part of the lagging indicator that is covid deaths. As I type this, and one reason I am so furious about it, my next-door neighbor, who lost her daughter to covid before vaccines were available, is sick with a lung infection. Again. She's 90 and obviously tough as nails, because if this is covid it will be her third diagnosed case.

Her great granddaughter is also sick with it.for the third time. She just turned five.

I suppose you will see this as evidence that "masks don't work." I see it as a human tragedy that you are not willing to inconvenience yourself to prevent.

This post encapsulates everything that is wrong with discourse around COVID in left leaning circles. You really have it all:
- misrepresenting statements by those who disagree with you to make them sound like they are from the other political "team"
- Using anecdotes of deaths from COVID, rather than scientific evidence, to support your point of view
- Insisting those who.oppose mask mandates just don't want to be inconvenienced despite them citing real, tangible downsides to mask use in educational settings
- Generally being a self rigjteous POS

If you were so worried about real, tangible downsides to mask use in educational settings, you would have found some evidence of downsides back in September. You did not.

Instead you're bringing it up now, making the calculation that it's safe enough to do without masks NOW, and the issue is enough of a wedge issue that you can use it.

I get it. You don't like being wrong. I'm sure your wife has to watch herself!

The downsides have existed the entire time. It's just that now that the entire student body is eligible to be vaccinated and the case rates are falling it would make sense to end mask mandates

There are new variants coming and spring break/travel so continued masking makes sense. Having a vaccine mandate makes no sense.

Um, no. Vaccines work. Masks work.

If vaccines fully work, whey are we having vaccinated people get covid. Why are vaccinated dying of covid? Why did we just have a huge surge in MCPS? At best the vaccines reduce the severity in the person taking them. That's it.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Re: your point that it's all about *mandates,* not masks.

No.

This is not an ideological battle over the nuances of "mandates," however much you'd like to make that the new right wing talking point of the day.

"It's not about masks! It's about freedom!"

No. It's about masks. It's about the "nuance" of putting the agency and responsibility of keeping their school safe on the backs of the kids within it. The "nuance" of forcing people to go to work in an unsafe environment.

If it were actually about covid numbers going down you would have the "nuance" to understand that 3300 Americans dying daily means we are still in the meaty part of the lagging indicator that is covid deaths. As I type this, and one reason I am so furious about it, my next-door neighbor, who lost her daughter to covid before vaccines were available, is sick with a lung infection. Again. She's 90 and obviously tough as nails, because if this is covid it will be her third diagnosed case.

Her great granddaughter is also sick with it.for the third time. She just turned five.

I suppose you will see this as evidence that "masks don't work." I see it as a human tragedy that you are not willing to inconvenience yourself to prevent.

This post encapsulates everything that is wrong with discourse around COVID in left leaning circles. You really have it all:
- misrepresenting statements by those who disagree with you to make them sound like they are from the other political "team"
- Using anecdotes of deaths from COVID, rather than scientific evidence, to support your point of view
- Insisting those who.oppose mask mandates just don't want to be inconvenienced despite them citing real, tangible downsides to mask use in educational settings
- Generally being a self rigjteous POS

If you were so worried about real, tangible downsides to mask use in educational settings, you would have found some evidence of downsides back in September. You did not.

Instead you're bringing it up now, making the calculation that it's safe enough to do without masks NOW, and the issue is enough of a wedge issue that you can use it.

I get it. You don't like being wrong. I'm sure your wife has to watch herself!

The downsides have existed the entire time. It's just that now that the entire student body is eligible to be vaccinated and the case rates are falling it would make sense to end mask mandates

But are we having a debate about when numbers will have fallen enough that they won't rise again? Are we debating antibody levels and efficacy? Boosters?.

Nope.

I would be happy to debate people on when the case rate/positivity/hospitalization rate is low enough to feel comfortable with relaxing mandates but have yet to see an rational counterargument just a lot of hysteria and name calling.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Re: your point that it's all about *mandates,* not masks.

No.

This is not an ideological battle over the nuances of "mandates," however much you'd like to make that the new right wing talking point of the day.

"It's not about masks! It's about freedom!"

No. It's about masks. It's about the "nuance" of putting the agency and responsibility of keeping their school safe on the backs of the kids within it. The "nuance" of forcing people to go to work in an unsafe environment.

If it were actually about covid numbers going down you would have the "nuance" to understand that 3300 Americans dying daily means we are still in the meaty part of the lagging indicator that is covid deaths. As I type this, and one reason I am so furious about it, my next-door neighbor, who lost her daughter to covid before vaccines were available, is sick with a lung infection. Again. She's 90 and obviously tough as nails, because if this is covid it will be her third diagnosed case.

Her great granddaughter is also sick with it.for the third time. She just turned five.

I suppose you will see this as evidence that "masks don't work." I see it as a human tragedy that you are not willing to inconvenience yourself to prevent.

This post encapsulates everything that is wrong with discourse around COVID in left leaning circles. You really have it all:
- misrepresenting statements by those who disagree with you to make them sound like they are from the other political "team"
- Using anecdotes of deaths from COVID, rather than scientific evidence, to support your point of view
- Insisting those who.oppose mask mandates just don't want to be inconvenienced despite them citing real, tangible downsides to mask use in educational settings
- Generally being a self rigjteous POS

If you were so worried about real, tangible downsides to mask use in educational settings, you would have found some evidence of downsides back in September. You did not.

Instead you're bringing it up now, making the calculation that it's safe enough to do without masks NOW, and the issue is enough of a wedge issue that you can use it.

I get it. You don't like being wrong. I'm sure your wife has to watch herself!

The downsides have existed the entire time. It's just that now that the entire student body is eligible to be vaccinated and the case rates are falling it would make sense to end mask mandates

There are new variants coming and spring break/travel so continued masking makes sense. Having a vaccine mandate makes no sense.

Um, no. Vaccines work. Masks work.

If vaccines fully work, whey are we having vaccinated people get covid. Why are vaccinated dying of covid? Why did we just have a huge surge in MCPS? At best the vaccines reduce the severity in the person taking them. That's it.

Almost any vaxxed death is due to other comorbidities. Vaccinated people are much less likely to get infected, be infectious, develop symptomatic covid, or be hospitalized or die.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Btw we are NOT mandating high quality respirators and many in the public that do wear them, are not wearing them properly. The current mandates are useless. We should either mandate respirators that work and have a mechanism for enforcing that does not place the burden entirely on teachers, which is unrealistic and not going to happen, or do away with the mandate entirely.

Just because the best solution isn't always in use, doesn't mean we have to go to zero. All the in betweens help with risk reduction. The majority of the children at our elementary school are wearing high quality masks

No, because taking away the mask mandate does not prohibit people from wearing masks. Those that are wearing high quality masks properly are not going to stop just because masks are optional. I think you equate mandates with masks and that's a false and harmful assumption.

What it does it allow the selfish and entitled to spread covid even easier. Generally those who aren't willing to mask are the same ones who are not taking basic precautious outside and are the ones bringing it in.

Maybe this will make you feel better; in my case this is not true at all. I have written several times about my support for ending a mask mandate especially for young children and we have been incredibly cautious. No one in my family has eaten in a restaurant since March 2020 and we chose small groups and outdoor activities whenever possible. I don’t feel guilty about the idea of not putting my little kids in masks because they really don’t go very many places besides school, play dates with friends from school and playground/sports outside

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Re: your point that it's all about *mandates,* not masks.

No.

This is not an ideological battle over the nuances of "mandates," however much you'd like to make that the new right wing talking point of the day.

"It's not about masks! It's about freedom!"

No. It's about masks. It's about the "nuance" of putting the agency and responsibility of keeping their school safe on the backs of the kids within it. The "nuance" of forcing people to go to work in an unsafe environment.

If it were actually about covid numbers going down you would have the "nuance" to understand that 3300 Americans dying daily means we are still in the meaty part of the lagging indicator that is covid deaths. As I type this, and one reason I am so furious about it, my next-door neighbor, who lost her daughter to covid before vaccines were available, is sick with a lung infection. Again. She's 90 and obviously tough as nails, because if this is covid it will be her third diagnosed case.

Her great granddaughter is also sick with it.for the third time. She just turned five.

I suppose you will see this as evidence that "masks don't work." I see it as a human tragedy that you are not willing to inconvenience yourself to prevent.

OMG, Rebekah, enough with your neighbor stories. All you neighbors are immunocompromised. We heard it a million times before. I really want to know what neighborhood you live in so that I can avoid it. Because clearing the neighborhood is making people sick.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Btw we are NOT mandating high quality respirators and many in the public that do wear them, are not wearing them properly. The current mandates are useless. We should either mandate respirators that work and have a mechanism for enforcing that does not place the burden entirely on teachers, which is unrealistic and not going to happen, or do away with the mandate entirely.

Just because the best solution isn't always in use, doesn't mean we have to go to zero. All the in betweens help with risk reduction. The majority of the children at our elementary school are wearing high quality masks

No, because taking away the mask mandate does not prohibit people from wearing masks. Those that are wearing high quality masks properly are not going to stop just because masks are optional. I think you equate mandates with masks and that's a false and harmful assumption.

What it does it allow the selfish and entitled to spread covid even easier. Generally those who aren't willing to mask are the same ones who are not taking basic precautious outside and are the ones bringing it in.

Maybe this will make you feel better; in my case this is not true at all. I have written several times about my support for ending a mask mandate especially for young children and we have been incredibly cautious. No one in my family has eaten in a restaurant since March 2020 and we chose small groups and outdoor activities whenever possible. I don’t feel guilty about the idea of not putting my little kids in masks because they really don’t go very many places besides school, play dates with friends from school and playground/sports outside

I know. You support your twins not having to wear masks with their speech therapists... For the millions of four year olds who aren't your twins... Well who cares?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Re: your point that it's all about *mandates,* not masks.

No.

This is not an ideological battle over the nuances of "mandates," however much you'd like to make that the new right wing talking point of the day.

"It's not about masks! It's about freedom!"

No. It's about masks. It's about the "nuance" of putting the agency and responsibility of keeping their school safe on the backs of the kids within it. The "nuance" of forcing people to go to work in an unsafe environment.

If it were actually about covid numbers going down you would have the "nuance" to understand that 3300 Americans dying daily means we are still in the meaty part of the lagging indicator that is covid deaths. As I type this, and one reason I am so furious about it, my next-door neighbor, who lost her daughter to covid before vaccines were available, is sick with a lung infection. Again. She's 90 and obviously tough as nails, because if this is covid it will be her third diagnosed case.

Her great granddaughter is also sick with it.for the third time. She just turned five.

I suppose you will see this as evidence that "masks don't work." I see it as a human tragedy that you are not willing to inconvenience yourself to prevent.

This post encapsulates everything that is wrong with discourse around COVID in left leaning circles. You really have it all:
- misrepresenting statements by those who disagree with you to make them sound like they are from the other political "team"
- Using anecdotes of deaths from COVID, rather than scientific evidence, to support your point of view
- Insisting those who.oppose mask mandates just don't want to be inconvenienced despite them citing real, tangible downsides to mask use in educational settings
- Generally being a self rigjteous POS

If you were so worried about real, tangible downsides to mask use in educational settings, you would have found some evidence of downsides back in September. You did not.

Instead you're bringing it up now, making the calculation that it's safe enough to do without masks NOW, and the issue is enough of a wedge issue that you can use it.

I get it. You don't like being wrong. I'm sure your wife has to watch herself!

The downsides have existed the entire time. It's just that now that the entire student body is eligible to be vaccinated and the case rates are falling it would make sense to end mask mandates

There are new variants coming and spring break/travel so continued masking makes sense. Having a vaccine mandate makes no sense.

Yay that was number seven on my list of stupid arguments. The phantom variant that is vaccine resistant

When have you been right about covid?

You keep whining hysterically that you want to have a sincere discussion about the numbers, but despite working for the NIH you have yet to come up with any.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Re: your point that it's all about *mandates,* not masks.

No.

This is not an ideological battle over the nuances of "mandates," however much you'd like to make that the new right wing talking point of the day.

"It's not about masks! It's about freedom!"

No. It's about masks. It's about the "nuance" of putting the agency and responsibility of keeping their school safe on the backs of the kids within it. The "nuance" of forcing people to go to work in an unsafe environment.

If it were actually about covid numbers going down you would have the "nuance" to understand that 3300 Americans dying daily means we are still in the meaty part of the lagging indicator that is covid deaths. As I type this, and one reason I am so furious about it, my next-door neighbor, who lost her daughter to covid before vaccines were available, is sick with a lung infection. Again. She's 90 and obviously tough as nails, because if this is covid it will be her third diagnosed case.

Her great granddaughter is also sick with it.for the third time. She just turned five.

I suppose you will see this as evidence that "masks don't work." I see it as a human tragedy that you are not willing to inconvenience yourself to prevent.

OMG, Rebekah, enough with your neighbor stories. All you neighbors are immunocompromised. We heard it a million times before. I really want to know what neighborhood you live in so that I can avoid it. Because clearing the neighborhood is making people sick.

It's Rebecca, actually. You can call me Becky.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Re: your point that it's all about *mandates,* not masks.

No.

This is not an ideological battle over the nuances of "mandates," however much you'd like to make that the new right wing talking point of the day.

"It's not about masks! It's about freedom!"

No. It's about masks. It's about the "nuance" of putting the agency and responsibility of keeping their school safe on the backs of the kids within it. The "nuance" of forcing people to go to work in an unsafe environment.

If it were actually about covid numbers going down you would have the "nuance" to understand that 3300 Americans dying daily means we are still in the meaty part of the lagging indicator that is covid deaths. As I type this, and one reason I am so furious about it, my next-door neighbor, who lost her daughter to covid before vaccines were available, is sick with a lung infection. Again. She's 90 and obviously tough as nails, because if this is covid it will be her third diagnosed case.

Her great granddaughter is also sick with it.for the third time. She just turned five.

I suppose you will see this as evidence that "masks don't work." I see it as a human tragedy that you are not willing to inconvenience yourself to prevent.

This post encapsulates everything that is wrong with discourse around COVID in left leaning circles. You really have it all:
- misrepresenting statements by those who disagree with you to make them sound like they are from the other political "team"
- Using anecdotes of deaths from COVID, rather than scientific evidence, to support your point of view
- Insisting those who.oppose mask mandates just don't want to be inconvenienced despite them citing real, tangible downsides to mask use in educational settings
- Generally being a self rigjteous POS

If you were so worried about real, tangible downsides to mask use in educational settings, you would have found some evidence of downsides back in September. You did not.

Instead you're bringing it up now, making the calculation that it's safe enough to do without masks NOW, and the issue is enough of a wedge issue that you can use it.

I get it. You don't like being wrong. I'm sure your wife has to watch herself!

The downsides have existed the entire time. It's just that now that the entire student body is eligible to be vaccinated and the case rates are falling it would make sense to end mask mandates

There are new variants coming and spring break/travel so continued masking makes sense. Having a vaccine mandate makes no sense.

Yay that was number seven on my list of stupid arguments. The phantom variant that is vaccine resistant

When have you been right about covid?

You keep whining hysterically that you want to have a sincere discussion about the numbers, but despite working for the NIH you have yet to come up with any.

I don't work for the NIH you got me confused for someone else boo.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Re: your point that it's all about *mandates,* not masks.

No.

This is not an ideological battle over the nuances of "mandates," however much you'd like to make that the new right wing talking point of the day.

"It's not about masks! It's about freedom!"

No. It's about masks. It's about the "nuance" of putting the agency and responsibility of keeping their school safe on the backs of the kids within it. The "nuance" of forcing people to go to work in an unsafe environment.

If it were actually about covid numbers going down you would have the "nuance" to understand that 3300 Americans dying daily means we are still in the meaty part of the lagging indicator that is covid deaths. As I type this, and one reason I am so furious about it, my next-door neighbor, who lost her daughter to covid before vaccines were available, is sick with a lung infection. Again. She's 90 and obviously tough as nails, because if this is covid it will be her third diagnosed case.

Her great granddaughter is also sick with it.for the third time. She just turned five.

I suppose you will see this as evidence that "masks don't work." I see it as a human tragedy that you are not willing to inconvenience yourself to prevent.

OMG, Rebekah, enough with your neighbor stories. All you neighbors are immunocompromised. We heard it a million times before. I really want to know what neighborhood you live in so that I can avoid it. Because clearing the neighborhood is making people sick.

Also if you lucky to live 90 you've hopefully had a really wonderful and full life and don't view dying as a tragedy

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Re: your point that it's all about *mandates,* not masks.

No.

This is not an ideological battle over the nuances of "mandates," however much you'd like to make that the new right wing talking point of the day.

"It's not about masks! It's about freedom!"

No. It's about masks. It's about the "nuance" of putting the agency and responsibility of keeping their school safe on the backs of the kids within it. The "nuance" of forcing people to go to work in an unsafe environment.

If it were actually about covid numbers going down you would have the "nuance" to understand that 3300 Americans dying daily means we are still in the meaty part of the lagging indicator that is covid deaths. As I type this, and one reason I am so furious about it, my next-door neighbor, who lost her daughter to covid before vaccines were available, is sick with a lung infection. Again. She's 90 and obviously tough as nails, because if this is covid it will be her third diagnosed case.

Her great granddaughter is also sick with it.for the third time. She just turned five.

I suppose you will see this as evidence that "masks don't work." I see it as a human tragedy that you are not willing to inconvenience yourself to prevent.

This post encapsulates everything that is wrong with discourse around COVID in left leaning circles. You really have it all:
- misrepresenting statements by those who disagree with you to make them sound like they are from the other political "team"
- Using anecdotes of deaths from COVID, rather than scientific evidence, to support your point of view
- Insisting those who.oppose mask mandates just don't want to be inconvenienced despite them citing real, tangible downsides to mask use in educational settings
- Generally being a self rigjteous POS

If you were so worried about real, tangible downsides to mask use in educational settings, you would have found some evidence of downsides back in September. You did not.

Instead you're bringing it up now, making the calculation that it's safe enough to do without masks NOW, and the issue is enough of a wedge issue that you can use it.

I get it. You don't like being wrong. I'm sure your wife has to watch herself!

The downsides have existed the entire time. It's just that now that the entire student body is eligible to be vaccinated and the case rates are falling it would make sense to end mask mandates

But are we having a debate about when numbers will have fallen enough that they won't rise again? Are we debating antibody levels and efficacy? Boosters?.

Nope.

I would be happy to debate people on when the case rate/positivity/hospitalization rate is low enough to feel comfortable with relaxing mandates but have yet to see an rational counterargument just a lot of hysteria and name calling.

There is no need to debate it. You can use things like hospitalizations but not every cares so much about hospitalizations as they do spread. Rates are down, but they'd been down before and they were down right before the last big surge.

You are irrational if you think if you aren't willing to at least keep the most basic precaution of masking in schools.

People like you are exactly why we need masking. You wouldn't think twice of sending your sick kid to school.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Re: your point that it's all about *mandates,* not masks.

No.

This is not an ideological battle over the nuances of "mandates," however much you'd like to make that the new right wing talking point of the day.

"It's not about masks! It's about freedom!"

No. It's about masks. It's about the "nuance" of putting the agency and responsibility of keeping their school safe on the backs of the kids within it. The "nuance" of forcing people to go to work in an unsafe environment.

If it were actually about covid numbers going down you would have the "nuance" to understand that 3300 Americans dying daily means we are still in the meaty part of the lagging indicator that is covid deaths. As I type this, and one reason I am so furious about it, my next-door neighbor, who lost her daughter to covid before vaccines were available, is sick with a lung infection. Again. She's 90 and obviously tough as nails, because if this is covid it will be her third diagnosed case.

Her great granddaughter is also sick with it.for the third time. She just turned five.

I suppose you will see this as evidence that "masks don't work." I see it as a human tragedy that you are not willing to inconvenience yourself to prevent.

This post encapsulates everything that is wrong with discourse around COVID in left leaning circles. You really have it all:
- misrepresenting statements by those who disagree with you to make them sound like they are from the other political "team"
- Using anecdotes of deaths from COVID, rather than scientific evidence, to support your point of view
- Insisting those who.oppose mask mandates just don't want to be inconvenienced despite them citing real, tangible downsides to mask use in educational settings
- Generally being a self rigjteous POS

If you were so worried about real, tangible downsides to mask use in educational settings, you would have found some evidence of downsides back in September. You did not.

Instead you're bringing it up now, making the calculation that it's safe enough to do without masks NOW, and the issue is enough of a wedge issue that you can use it.

I get it. You don't like being wrong. I'm sure your wife has to watch herself!

The downsides have existed the entire time. It's just that now that the entire student body is eligible to be vaccinated and the case rates are falling it would make sense to end mask mandates

There are new variants coming and spring break/travel so continued masking makes sense. Having a vaccine mandate makes no sense.

Yay that was number seven on my list of stupid arguments. The phantom variant that is vaccine resistant

When have you been right about covid?

You keep whining hysterically that you want to have a sincere discussion about the numbers, but despite working for the NIH you have yet to come up with any.

I don't work for the NIH you got me confused for someone else boo.

Can you show us where the vaccine works on both the current and new variants with at least an 85-90% effective rate that lasts for more than two months?