Masks optional by spring break

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Btw we are NOT mandating high quality respirators and many in the public that do wear them, are not wearing them properly. The current mandates are useless. We should either mandate respirators that work and have a mechanism for enforcing that does not place the burden entirely on teachers, which is unrealistic and not going to happen, or do away with the mandate entirely.

This kind of circular thinking is designed to discourage people from doing anything at all.

We are mandating masks. Even the people who send their kids to school in crappy masks are doing something. We finally sent masks out to schools. People who couldn't afford them now have access. Brick by brick we can.mount a defense that will reduce pain and suffering.

Or, like the GOP wants, we can let er rip for their eugenics program.

I love how the pro-maskers always bring up the GOP, MAGA, etc. because they can't handle having an actual discussion with someone they disagree with. This is not the politics forum. Get off your high horse. There is nothing "circular" about what I said btw. But if that makes you feel good, go ahead and post this idiocy.

DP and yup, exactly. They have to resolve their own cognitive dissonance by assuming that anyone considering making masks optional MUST be a Trumper, rather than the Democrats many of us are. Hell, I'm a scientist who works at NIH! Our family got all of our vaccines/boosters as soon as we could! But I'm a COVID-denying MAGA-hat wearing lunatic, I get it.

I'm not sure if people realize how fundamentally destabilizing to society their inability to see in shades of grey is.

I'm sorry, you're defending the dude who says that since we can't make everyone wear an n95 (because "reasons!" I guess), we shouldn't make anyone mask at all.

Were you an actual scientist one would hope you would have the ability to think with a little more nuance, but perhaps that is why you work for the government

Yes, I will defend the person who points out the nuances of mask *mandates* (not masks, mandates) are complex. Better them than you, who scream “eugenics” and resort to ad hominem attacks because you have nothing of actual substance to post. Again.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Btw we are NOT mandating high quality respirators and many in the public that do wear them, are not wearing them properly. The current mandates are useless. We should either mandate respirators that work and have a mechanism for enforcing that does not place the burden entirely on teachers, which is unrealistic and not going to happen, or do away with the mandate entirely.

This kind of circular thinking is designed to discourage people from doing anything at all.

We are mandating masks. Even the people who send their kids to school in crappy masks are doing something. We finally sent masks out to schools. People who couldn't afford them now have access. Brick by brick we can.mount a defense that will reduce pain and suffering.

Or, like the GOP wants, we can let er rip for their eugenics program.

I love how the pro-maskers always bring up the GOP, MAGA, etc. because they can't handle having an actual discussion with someone they disagree with. This is not the politics forum. Get off your high horse. There is nothing "circular" about what I said btw. But if that makes you feel good, go ahead and post this idiocy.

DP and yup, exactly. They have to resolve their own cognitive dissonance by assuming that anyone considering making masks optional MUST be a Trumper, rather than the Democrats many of us are. Hell, I'm a scientist who works at NIH! Our family got all of our vaccines/boosters as soon as we could! But I'm a COVID-denying MAGA-hat wearing lunatic, I get it.

I'm not sure if people realize how fundamentally destabilizing to society their inability to see in shades of grey is.

I'm sorry, you're defending the dude who says that since we can't make everyone wear an n95 (because "reasons!" I guess), we shouldn't make anyone mask at all.

Were you an actual scientist one would hope you would have the ability to think with a little more nuance, but perhaps that is why you work for the government

Yes, I will defend the person who points out the nuances of mask *mandates* (not masks, mandates) are complex. Better them than you, who scream “eugenics” and resort to ad hominem attacks because you have nothing of actual substance to post. Again.

If only that were true, Doctor Scientist. If only.

I've written literally thousands of words on this thread pointing out the complex nuances associated with masks, covid, schools. But your feelings are hurt because I called the guy who said masks don't work a bad name.

[Anonymous]

Re: your point that it's all about *mandates,* not masks.

No.

This is not an ideological battle over the nuances of "mandates," however much you'd like to make that the new right wing talking point of the day.

"It's not about masks! It's about freedom!"

No. It's about masks. It's about the "nuance" of putting the agency and responsibility of keeping their school safe on the backs of the kids within it. The "nuance" of forcing people to go to work in an unsafe environment.

If it were actually about covid numbers going down you would have the "nuance" to understand that 3300 Americans dying daily means we are still in the meaty part of the lagging indicator that is covid deaths. As I type this, and one reason I am so furious about it, my next-door neighbor, who lost her daughter to covid before vaccines were available, is sick with a lung infection. Again. She's 90 and obviously tough as nails, because if this is covid it will be her third diagnosed case.

Her great granddaughter is also sick with it.for the third time. She just turned five.

I suppose you will see this as evidence that "masks don't work." I see it as a human tragedy that you are not willing to inconvenience yourself to prevent.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Re: your point that it's all about *mandates,* not masks.

No.

This is not an ideological battle over the nuances of "mandates," however much you'd like to make that the new right wing talking point of the day.

"It's not about masks! It's about freedom!"

No. It's about masks. It's about the "nuance" of putting the agency and responsibility of keeping their school safe on the backs of the kids within it. The "nuance" of forcing people to go to work in an unsafe environment.

If it were actually about covid numbers going down you would have the "nuance" to understand that 3300 Americans dying daily means we are still in the meaty part of the lagging indicator that is covid deaths. As I type this, and one reason I am so furious about it, my next-door neighbor, who lost her daughter to covid before vaccines were available, is sick with a lung infection. Again. She's 90 and obviously tough as nails, because if this is covid it will be her third diagnosed case.

Her great granddaughter is also sick with it.for the third time. She just turned five.

I suppose you will see this as evidence that "masks don't work." I see it as a human tragedy that you are not willing to inconvenience yourself to prevent.

This post encapsulates everything that is wrong with discourse around COVID in left leaning circles. You really have it all:
- misrepresenting statements by those who disagree with you to make them sound like they are from the other political "team"
- Using anecdotes of deaths from COVID, rather than scientific evidence, to support your point of view
- Insisting those who.oppose mask mandates just don't want to be inconvenienced despite them citing real, tangible downsides to mask use in educational settings
- Generally being a self rigjteous POS

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Re: your point that it's all about *mandates,* not masks.

No.

This is not an ideological battle over the nuances of "mandates," however much you'd like to make that the new right wing talking point of the day.

"It's not about masks! It's about freedom!"

No. It's about masks. It's about the "nuance" of putting the agency and responsibility of keeping their school safe on the backs of the kids within it. The "nuance" of forcing people to go to work in an unsafe environment.

If it were actually about covid numbers going down you would have the "nuance" to understand that 3300 Americans dying daily means we are still in the meaty part of the lagging indicator that is covid deaths. As I type this, and one reason I am so furious about it, my next-door neighbor, who lost her daughter to covid before vaccines were available, is sick with a lung infection. Again. She's 90 and obviously tough as nails, because if this is covid it will be her third diagnosed case.

Her great granddaughter is also sick with it.for the third time. She just turned five.

I suppose you will see this as evidence that "masks don't work." I see it as a human tragedy that you are not willing to inconvenience yourself to prevent.

This post encapsulates everything that is wrong with discourse around COVID in left leaning circles. You really have it all:
- misrepresenting statements by those who disagree with you to make them sound like they are from the other political "team"
- Using anecdotes of deaths from COVID, rather than scientific evidence, to support your point of view
- Insisting those who.oppose mask mandates just don't want to be inconvenienced despite them citing real, tangible downsides to mask use in educational settings
- Generally being a self rigjteous POS

If you were so worried about real, tangible downsides to mask use in educational settings, you would have found some evidence of downsides back in September. You did not.

Instead you're bringing it up now, making the calculation that it's safe enough to do without masks NOW, and the issue is enough of a wedge issue that you can use it.

I get it. You don't like being wrong. I'm sure your wife has to watch herself!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Re: your point that it's all about *mandates,* not masks.

No.

This is not an ideological battle over the nuances of "mandates," however much you'd like to make that the new right wing talking point of the day.

"It's not about masks! It's about freedom!"

No. It's about masks. It's about the "nuance" of putting the agency and responsibility of keeping their school safe on the backs of the kids within it. The "nuance" of forcing people to go to work in an unsafe environment.

If it were actually about covid numbers going down you would have the "nuance" to understand that 3300 Americans dying daily means we are still in the meaty part of the lagging indicator that is covid deaths. As I type this, and one reason I am so furious about it, my next-door neighbor, who lost her daughter to covid before vaccines were available, is sick with a lung infection. Again. She's 90 and obviously tough as nails, because if this is covid it will be her third diagnosed case.

Her great granddaughter is also sick with it.for the third time. She just turned five.

I suppose you will see this as evidence that "masks don't work." I see it as a human tragedy that you are not willing to inconvenience yourself to prevent.

This post encapsulates everything that is wrong with discourse around COVID in left leaning circles. You really have it all:
- misrepresenting statements by those who disagree with you to make them sound like they are from the other political "team"
- Using anecdotes of deaths from COVID, rather than scientific evidence, to support your point of view
- Insisting those who.oppose mask mandates just don't want to be inconvenienced despite them citing real, tangible downsides to mask use in educational settings
- Generally being a self rigjteous POS

If you were so worried about real, tangible downsides to mask use in educational settings, you would have found some evidence of downsides back in September. You did not.

Instead you're bringing it up now, making the calculation that it's safe enough to do without masks NOW, and the issue is enough of a wedge issue that you can use it.

I get it. You don't like being wrong. I'm sure your wife has to watch herself!

Oh, and I'm not a "leftist." Tyfp.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Re: your point that it's all about *mandates,* not masks.

No.

This is not an ideological battle over the nuances of "mandates," however much you'd like to make that the new right wing talking point of the day.

"It's not about masks! It's about freedom!"

No. It's about masks. It's about the "nuance" of putting the agency and responsibility of keeping their school safe on the backs of the kids within it. The "nuance" of forcing people to go to work in an unsafe environment.

If it were actually about covid numbers going down you would have the "nuance" to understand that 3300 Americans dying daily means we are still in the meaty part of the lagging indicator that is covid deaths. As I type this, and one reason I am so furious about it, my next-door neighbor, who lost her daughter to covid before vaccines were available, is sick with a lung infection. Again. She's 90 and obviously tough as nails, because if this is covid it will be her third diagnosed case.

Her great granddaughter is also sick with it.for the third time. She just turned five.

I suppose you will see this as evidence that "masks don't work." I see it as a human tragedy that you are not willing to inconvenience yourself to prevent.

This post encapsulates everything that is wrong with discourse around COVID in left leaning circles. You really have it all:
- misrepresenting statements by those who disagree with you to make them sound like they are from the other political "team"
- Using anecdotes of deaths from COVID, rather than scientific evidence, to support your point of view
- Insisting those who.oppose mask mandates just don't want to be inconvenienced despite them citing real, tangible downsides to mask use in educational settings
- Generally being a self rigjteous POS

If you were so worried about real, tangible downsides to mask use in educational settings, you would have found some evidence of downsides back in September. You did not.

Instead you're bringing it up now, making the calculation that it's safe enough to do without masks NOW, and the issue is enough of a wedge issue that you can use it.

I get it. You don't like being wrong. I'm sure your wife has to watch herself!

It's really sad that you can't see how unhinged you sound

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Re: your point that it's all about *mandates,* not masks.

No.

This is not an ideological battle over the nuances of "mandates," however much you'd like to make that the new right wing talking point of the day.

"It's not about masks! It's about freedom!"

No. It's about masks. It's about the "nuance" of putting the agency and responsibility of keeping their school safe on the backs of the kids within it. The "nuance" of forcing people to go to work in an unsafe environment.

If it were actually about covid numbers going down you would have the "nuance" to understand that 3300 Americans dying daily means we are still in the meaty part of the lagging indicator that is covid deaths. As I type this, and one reason I am so furious about it, my next-door neighbor, who lost her daughter to covid before vaccines were available, is sick with a lung infection. Again. She's 90 and obviously tough as nails, because if this is covid it will be her third diagnosed case.

Her great granddaughter is also sick with it.for the third time. She just turned five.

I suppose you will see this as evidence that "masks don't work." I see it as a human tragedy that you are not willing to inconvenience yourself to prevent.

This post encapsulates everything that is wrong with discourse around COVID in left leaning circles. You really have it all:
- misrepresenting statements by those who disagree with you to make them sound like they are from the other political "team"
- Using anecdotes of deaths from COVID, rather than scientific evidence, to support your point of view
- Insisting those who.oppose mask mandates just don't want to be inconvenienced despite them citing real, tangible downsides to mask use in educational settings
- Generally being a self rigjteous POS

If you were so worried about real, tangible downsides to mask use in educational settings, you would have found some evidence of downsides back in September. You did not.

Instead you're bringing it up now, making the calculation that it's safe enough to do without masks NOW, and the issue is enough of a wedge issue that you can use it.

I get it. You don't like being wrong. I'm sure your wife has to watch herself!

It's really sad that you can't see how unhinged you sound

There's a good reason.

Watch and see.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Btw we are NOT mandating high quality respirators and many in the public that do wear them, are not wearing them properly. The current mandates are useless. We should either mandate respirators that work and have a mechanism for enforcing that does not place the burden entirely on teachers, which is unrealistic and not going to happen, or do away with the mandate entirely.

This kind of circular thinking is designed to discourage people from doing anything at all.

We are mandating masks. Even the people who send their kids to school in crappy masks are doing something. We finally sent masks out to schools. People who couldn't afford them now have access. Brick by brick we can.mount a defense that will reduce pain and suffering.

Or, like the GOP wants, we can let er rip for their eugenics program.

MCPS should give the masks to kids who need them and not everyone. We wouldn't use them.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Btw we are NOT mandating high quality respirators and many in the public that do wear them, are not wearing them properly. The current mandates are useless. We should either mandate respirators that work and have a mechanism for enforcing that does not place the burden entirely on teachers, which is unrealistic and not going to happen, or do away with the mandate entirely.

Just because the best solution isn't always in use, doesn't mean we have to go to zero. All the in betweens help with risk reduction. The majority of the children at our elementary school are wearing high quality masks

No, because taking away the mask mandate does not prohibit people from wearing masks. Those that are wearing high quality masks properly are not going to stop just because masks are optional. I think you equate mandates with masks and that's a false and harmful assumption.

What it does it allow the selfish and entitled to spread covid even easier. Generally those who aren't willing to mask are the same ones who are not taking basic precautious outside and are the ones bringing it in.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Re: your point that it's all about *mandates,* not masks.

No.

This is not an ideological battle over the nuances of "mandates," however much you'd like to make that the new right wing talking point of the day.

"It's not about masks! It's about freedom!"

No. It's about masks. It's about the "nuance" of putting the agency and responsibility of keeping their school safe on the backs of the kids within it. The "nuance" of forcing people to go to work in an unsafe environment.

If it were actually about covid numbers going down you would have the "nuance" to understand that 3300 Americans dying daily means we are still in the meaty part of the lagging indicator that is covid deaths. As I type this, and one reason I am so furious about it, my next-door neighbor, who lost her daughter to covid before vaccines were available, is sick with a lung infection. Again. She's 90 and obviously tough as nails, because if this is covid it will be her third diagnosed case.

Her great granddaughter is also sick with it.for the third time. She just turned five.

I suppose you will see this as evidence that "masks don't work." I see it as a human tragedy that you are not willing to inconvenience yourself to prevent.

No, it’s not about “freedom,” though I know that’s a convenient talking point for you. It’s about the fact that people will only follow mandates for so long. That Democrats are running the risk of a massive backlash because of their unwillingness to back off on mandates, and I have zero interest in Republicans taking control. That removing a mandate still allows people to wear masks, and one-way masking works. That we can alienate and scold people indefinitely without repercussions.

You can assume all you want about me; you’re wrong. But really, a DP is right: it’s sad that you don’t see how delusional you sound. Your reality testing is… not good.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Re: your point that it's all about *mandates,* not masks.

No.

This is not an ideological battle over the nuances of "mandates," however much you'd like to make that the new right wing talking point of the day.

"It's not about masks! It's about freedom!"

No. It's about masks. It's about the "nuance" of putting the agency and responsibility of keeping their school safe on the backs of the kids within it. The "nuance" of forcing people to go to work in an unsafe environment.

If it were actually about covid numbers going down you would have the "nuance" to understand that 3300 Americans dying daily means we are still in the meaty part of the lagging indicator that is covid deaths. As I type this, and one reason I am so furious about it, my next-door neighbor, who lost her daughter to covid before vaccines were available, is sick with a lung infection. Again. She's 90 and obviously tough as nails, because if this is covid it will be her third diagnosed case.

Her great granddaughter is also sick with it.for the third time. She just turned five.

I suppose you will see this as evidence that "masks don't work." I see it as a human tragedy that you are not willing to inconvenience yourself to prevent.

This post encapsulates everything that is wrong with discourse around COVID in left leaning circles. You really have it all:
- misrepresenting statements by those who disagree with you to make them sound like they are from the other political "team"
- Using anecdotes of deaths from COVID, rather than scientific evidence, to support your point of view
- Insisting those who.oppose mask mandates just don't want to be inconvenienced despite them citing real, tangible downsides to mask use in educational settings
- Generally being a self rigjteous POS

If you were so worried about real, tangible downsides to mask use in educational settings, you would have found some evidence of downsides back in September. You did not.

Instead you're bringing it up now, making the calculation that it's safe enough to do without masks NOW, and the issue is enough of a wedge issue that you can use it.

I get it. You don't like being wrong. I'm sure your wife has to watch herself!

The downsides have existed the entire time. It's just that now that the entire student body is eligible to be vaccinated and the case rates are falling it would make sense to end mask mandates

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Re: your point that it's all about *mandates,* not masks.

No.

This is not an ideological battle over the nuances of "mandates," however much you'd like to make that the new right wing talking point of the day.

"It's not about masks! It's about freedom!"

No. It's about masks. It's about the "nuance" of putting the agency and responsibility of keeping their school safe on the backs of the kids within it. The "nuance" of forcing people to go to work in an unsafe environment.

If it were actually about covid numbers going down you would have the "nuance" to understand that 3300 Americans dying daily means we are still in the meaty part of the lagging indicator that is covid deaths. As I type this, and one reason I am so furious about it, my next-door neighbor, who lost her daughter to covid before vaccines were available, is sick with a lung infection. Again. She's 90 and obviously tough as nails, because if this is covid it will be her third diagnosed case.

Her great granddaughter is also sick with it.for the third time. She just turned five.

I suppose you will see this as evidence that "masks don't work." I see it as a human tragedy that you are not willing to inconvenience yourself to prevent.

No, it’s not about “freedom,” though I know that’s a convenient talking point for you. It’s about the fact that people will only follow mandates for so long. That Democrats are running the risk of a massive backlash because of their unwillingness to back off on mandates, and I have zero interest in Republicans taking control. That removing a mandate still allows people to wear masks, and one-way masking works. That we can alienate and scold people indefinitely without repercussions.

You can assume all you want about me; you’re wrong. But really, a DP is right: it’s sad that you don’t see how delusional you sound. Your reality testing is… not good.

My ability to get this thread nuked into oblivion is... *Chef's kiss* ... Known.

This isn't about elections.

It's about covid. Full stop.

Kenny, it's about covid.

The fact that you keep bringing all this other bullshit into it the reason I keep observing that you're more than likely just another sad Koch shill.

I'm also not the only responder, although probably the most prolific.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Re: your point that it's all about *mandates,* not masks.

No.

This is not an ideological battle over the nuances of "mandates," however much you'd like to make that the new right wing talking point of the day.

"It's not about masks! It's about freedom!"

No. It's about masks. It's about the "nuance" of putting the agency and responsibility of keeping their school safe on the backs of the kids within it. The "nuance" of forcing people to go to work in an unsafe environment.

If it were actually about covid numbers going down you would have the "nuance" to understand that 3300 Americans dying daily means we are still in the meaty part of the lagging indicator that is covid deaths. As I type this, and one reason I am so furious about it, my next-door neighbor, who lost her daughter to covid before vaccines were available, is sick with a lung infection. Again. She's 90 and obviously tough as nails, because if this is covid it will be her third diagnosed case.

Her great granddaughter is also sick with it.for the third time. She just turned five.

I suppose you will see this as evidence that "masks don't work." I see it as a human tragedy that you are not willing to inconvenience yourself to prevent.

This post encapsulates everything that is wrong with discourse around COVID in left leaning circles. You really have it all:
- misrepresenting statements by those who disagree with you to make them sound like they are from the other political "team"
- Using anecdotes of deaths from COVID, rather than scientific evidence, to support your point of view
- Insisting those who.oppose mask mandates just don't want to be inconvenienced despite them citing real, tangible downsides to mask use in educational settings
- Generally being a self rigjteous POS

If you were so worried about real, tangible downsides to mask use in educational settings, you would have found some evidence of downsides back in September. You did not.

Instead you're bringing it up now, making the calculation that it's safe enough to do without masks NOW, and the issue is enough of a wedge issue that you can use it.

I get it. You don't like being wrong. I'm sure your wife has to watch herself!

The downsides have existed the entire time. It's just that now that the entire student body is eligible to be vaccinated and the case rates are falling it would make sense to end mask mandates

But are we having a debate about when numbers will have fallen enough that they won't rise again? Are we debating antibody levels and efficacy? Boosters?.

Nope.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Re: your point that it's all about *mandates,* not masks.

No.

This is not an ideological battle over the nuances of "mandates," however much you'd like to make that the new right wing talking point of the day.

"It's not about masks! It's about freedom!"

No. It's about masks. It's about the "nuance" of putting the agency and responsibility of keeping their school safe on the backs of the kids within it. The "nuance" of forcing people to go to work in an unsafe environment.

If it were actually about covid numbers going down you would have the "nuance" to understand that 3300 Americans dying daily means we are still in the meaty part of the lagging indicator that is covid deaths. As I type this, and one reason I am so furious about it, my next-door neighbor, who lost her daughter to covid before vaccines were available, is sick with a lung infection. Again. She's 90 and obviously tough as nails, because if this is covid it will be her third diagnosed case.

Her great granddaughter is also sick with it.for the third time. She just turned five.

I suppose you will see this as evidence that "masks don't work." I see it as a human tragedy that you are not willing to inconvenience yourself to prevent.

No, it’s not about “freedom,” though I know that’s a convenient talking point for you. It’s about the fact that people will only follow mandates for so long. That Democrats are running the risk of a massive backlash because of their unwillingness to back off on mandates, and I have zero interest in Republicans taking control. That removing a mandate still allows people to wear masks, and one-way masking works. That we can alienate and scold people indefinitely without repercussions.

You can assume all you want about me; you’re wrong. But really, a DP is right: it’s sad that you don’t see how delusional you sound. Your reality testing is… not good.

My ability to get this thread nuked into oblivion is... *Chef's kiss* ... Known.

This isn't about elections.

It's about covid. Full stop.

Kenny, it's about covid.

The fact that you keep bringing all this other bullshit into it the reason I keep observing that you're more than likely just another sad Koch shill.

I'm also not the only responder, although probably the most prolific.

So nuke it. If that’s your biggest skill in life, hey, more power to you.