Masks optional by spring break

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Anonymous wrote:Re: your point that it's all about *mandates,* not masks.

No.

This is not an ideological battle over the nuances of "mandates," however much you'd like to make that the new right wing talking point of the day.

"It's not about masks! It's about freedom!"

No. It's about masks. It's about the "nuance" of putting the agency and responsibility of keeping their school safe on the backs of the kids within it. The "nuance" of forcing people to go to work in an unsafe environment.

If it were actually about covid numbers going down you would have the "nuance" to understand that 3300 Americans dying daily means we are still in the meaty part of the lagging indicator that is covid deaths. As I type this, and one reason I am so furious about it, my next-door neighbor, who lost her daughter to covid before vaccines were available, is sick with a lung infection. Again. She's 90 and obviously tough as nails, because if this is covid it will be her third diagnosed case.

Her great granddaughter is also sick with it.for the third time. She just turned five.

I suppose you will see this as evidence that "masks don't work." I see it as a human tragedy that you are not willing to inconvenience yourself to prevent.

OMG, Rebekah, enough with your neighbor stories. All you neighbors are immunocompromised. We heard it a million times before. I really want to know what neighborhood you live in so that I can avoid it. Because clearing the neighborhood is making people sick.

Also if you lucky to live 90 you've hopefully had a really wonderful and full life and don't view dying as a tragedy

And you act hurt when I call you a eugenicist.

"Why would any 90-year-old mind gasping for breath on ruined lungs alone in a hospital room? People are so needy!"

You're a sick pup... But we knew that already.

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Anonymous wrote:Re: your point that it's all about *mandates,* not masks.

No.

This is not an ideological battle over the nuances of "mandates," however much you'd like to make that the new right wing talking point of the day.

"It's not about masks! It's about freedom!"

No. It's about masks. It's about the "nuance" of putting the agency and responsibility of keeping their school safe on the backs of the kids within it. The "nuance" of forcing people to go to work in an unsafe environment.

If it were actually about covid numbers going down you would have the "nuance" to understand that 3300 Americans dying daily means we are still in the meaty part of the lagging indicator that is covid deaths. As I type this, and one reason I am so furious about it, my next-door neighbor, who lost her daughter to covid before vaccines were available, is sick with a lung infection. Again. She's 90 and obviously tough as nails, because if this is covid it will be her third diagnosed case.

Her great granddaughter is also sick with it.for the third time. She just turned five.

I suppose you will see this as evidence that "masks don't work." I see it as a human tragedy that you are not willing to inconvenience yourself to prevent.

This post encapsulates everything that is wrong with discourse around COVID in left leaning circles. You really have it all:
- misrepresenting statements by those who disagree with you to make them sound like they are from the other political "team"
- Using anecdotes of deaths from COVID, rather than scientific evidence, to support your point of view
- Insisting those who.oppose mask mandates just don't want to be inconvenienced despite them citing real, tangible downsides to mask use in educational settings
- Generally being a self rigjteous POS

If you were so worried about real, tangible downsides to mask use in educational settings, you would have found some evidence of downsides back in September. You did not.

Instead you're bringing it up now, making the calculation that it's safe enough to do without masks NOW, and the issue is enough of a wedge issue that you can use it.

I get it. You don't like being wrong. I'm sure your wife has to watch herself!

The downsides have existed the entire time. It's just that now that the entire student body is eligible to be vaccinated and the case rates are falling it would make sense to end mask mandates

There are new variants coming and spring break/travel so continued masking makes sense. Having a vaccine mandate makes no sense.

Yay that was number seven on my list of stupid arguments. The phantom variant that is vaccine resistant

When have you been right about covid?

You keep whining hysterically that you want to have a sincere discussion about the numbers, but despite working for the NIH you have yet to come up with any.

I don't work for the NIH you got me confused for someone else boo.

Mmm, so you're just the ignorant pos with no credentials whatsoever.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Re: your point that it's all about *mandates,* not masks.

No.

This is not an ideological battle over the nuances of "mandates," however much you'd like to make that the new right wing talking point of the day.

"It's not about masks! It's about freedom!"

No. It's about masks. It's about the "nuance" of putting the agency and responsibility of keeping their school safe on the backs of the kids within it. The "nuance" of forcing people to go to work in an unsafe environment.

If it were actually about covid numbers going down you would have the "nuance" to understand that 3300 Americans dying daily means we are still in the meaty part of the lagging indicator that is covid deaths. As I type this, and one reason I am so furious about it, my next-door neighbor, who lost her daughter to covid before vaccines were available, is sick with a lung infection. Again. She's 90 and obviously tough as nails, because if this is covid it will be her third diagnosed case.

Her great granddaughter is also sick with it.for the third time. She just turned five.

I suppose you will see this as evidence that "masks don't work." I see it as a human tragedy that you are not willing to inconvenience yourself to prevent.

OMG, Rebekah, enough with your neighbor stories. All you neighbors are immunocompromised. We heard it a million times before. I really want to know what neighborhood you live in so that I can avoid it. Because clearing the neighborhood is making people sick.

Oh wow Rebekah...this is great material for your testimony next week!

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Anonymous wrote:Re: your point that it's all about *mandates,* not masks.

No.

This is not an ideological battle over the nuances of "mandates," however much you'd like to make that the new right wing talking point of the day.

"It's not about masks! It's about freedom!"

No. It's about masks. It's about the "nuance" of putting the agency and responsibility of keeping their school safe on the backs of the kids within it. The "nuance" of forcing people to go to work in an unsafe environment.

If it were actually about covid numbers going down you would have the "nuance" to understand that 3300 Americans dying daily means we are still in the meaty part of the lagging indicator that is covid deaths. As I type this, and one reason I am so furious about it, my next-door neighbor, who lost her daughter to covid before vaccines were available, is sick with a lung infection. Again. She's 90 and obviously tough as nails, because if this is covid it will be her third diagnosed case.

Her great granddaughter is also sick with it.for the third time. She just turned five.

I suppose you will see this as evidence that "masks don't work." I see it as a human tragedy that you are not willing to inconvenience yourself to prevent.

This post encapsulates everything that is wrong with discourse around COVID in left leaning circles. You really have it all:
- misrepresenting statements by those who disagree with you to make them sound like they are from the other political "team"
- Using anecdotes of deaths from COVID, rather than scientific evidence, to support your point of view
- Insisting those who.oppose mask mandates just don't want to be inconvenienced despite them citing real, tangible downsides to mask use in educational settings
- Generally being a self rigjteous POS

If you were so worried about real, tangible downsides to mask use in educational settings, you would have found some evidence of downsides back in September. You did not.

Instead you're bringing it up now, making the calculation that it's safe enough to do without masks NOW, and the issue is enough of a wedge issue that you can use it.

I get it. You don't like being wrong. I'm sure your wife has to watch herself!

The downsides have existed the entire time. It's just that now that the entire student body is eligible to be vaccinated and the case rates are falling it would make sense to end mask mandates

But are we having a debate about when numbers will have fallen enough that they won't rise again? Are we debating antibody levels and efficacy? Boosters?.

Nope.

I would be happy to debate people on when the case rate/positivity/hospitalization rate is low enough to feel comfortable with relaxing mandates but have yet to see an rational counterargument just a lot of hysteria and name calling.

There is no need to debate it. You can use things like hospitalizations but not every cares so much about hospitalizations as they do spread. Rates are down, but they'd been down before and they were down right before the last big surge.

You are irrational if you think if you aren't willing to at least keep the most basic precaution of masking in schools.

People like you are exactly why we need masking. You wouldn't think twice of sending your sick kid to school.

So basically in your mind we should keep mask at school permanently?

[Anonymous]

Yes I think if we're going to say the covid is going to stay with us for the rest of our life and we just have to accept the children will always be wearing masks

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Anonymous wrote:Re: your point that it's all about *mandates,* not masks.

No.

This is not an ideological battle over the nuances of "mandates," however much you'd like to make that the new right wing talking point of the day.

"It's not about masks! It's about freedom!"

No. It's about masks. It's about the "nuance" of putting the agency and responsibility of keeping their school safe on the backs of the kids within it. The "nuance" of forcing people to go to work in an unsafe environment.

If it were actually about covid numbers going down you would have the "nuance" to understand that 3300 Americans dying daily means we are still in the meaty part of the lagging indicator that is covid deaths. As I type this, and one reason I am so furious about it, my next-door neighbor, who lost her daughter to covid before vaccines were available, is sick with a lung infection. Again. She's 90 and obviously tough as nails, because if this is covid it will be her third diagnosed case.

Her great granddaughter is also sick with it.for the third time. She just turned five.

I suppose you will see this as evidence that "masks don't work." I see it as a human tragedy that you are not willing to inconvenience yourself to prevent.

This post encapsulates everything that is wrong with discourse around COVID in left leaning circles. You really have it all:
- misrepresenting statements by those who disagree with you to make them sound like they are from the other political "team"
- Using anecdotes of deaths from COVID, rather than scientific evidence, to support your point of view
- Insisting those who.oppose mask mandates just don't want to be inconvenienced despite them citing real, tangible downsides to mask use in educational settings
- Generally being a self rigjteous POS

If you were so worried about real, tangible downsides to mask use in educational settings, you would have found some evidence of downsides back in September. You did not.

Instead you're bringing it up now, making the calculation that it's safe enough to do without masks NOW, and the issue is enough of a wedge issue that you can use it.

I get it. You don't like being wrong. I'm sure your wife has to watch herself!

The downsides have existed the entire time. It's just that now that the entire student body is eligible to be vaccinated and the case rates are falling it would make sense to end mask mandates

There are new variants coming and spring break/travel so continued masking makes sense. Having a vaccine mandate makes no sense.

Yay that was number seven on my list of stupid arguments. The phantom variant that is vaccine resistant

When have you been right about covid?

You keep whining hysterically that you want to have a sincere discussion about the numbers, but despite working for the NIH you have yet to come up with any.

I don't work for the NIH you got me confused for someone else boo.

Can you show us where the vaccine works on both the current and new variants with at least an 85-90% effective rate that lasts for more than two months?

You have to get a new flu vaccine every year I assume that probably the same will be true but they will eventually roll out a combination flu covid vaccine that you get once a year

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Re: your point that it's all about *mandates,* not masks.

No.

This is not an ideological battle over the nuances of "mandates," however much you'd like to make that the new right wing talking point of the day.

"It's not about masks! It's about freedom!"

No. It's about masks. It's about the "nuance" of putting the agency and responsibility of keeping their school safe on the backs of the kids within it. The "nuance" of forcing people to go to work in an unsafe environment.

If it were actually about covid numbers going down you would have the "nuance" to understand that 3300 Americans dying daily means we are still in the meaty part of the lagging indicator that is covid deaths. As I type this, and one reason I am so furious about it, my next-door neighbor, who lost her daughter to covid before vaccines were available, is sick with a lung infection. Again. She's 90 and obviously tough as nails, because if this is covid it will be her third diagnosed case.

Her great granddaughter is also sick with it.for the third time. She just turned five.

I suppose you will see this as evidence that "masks don't work." I see it as a human tragedy that you are not willing to inconvenience yourself to prevent.

This post encapsulates everything that is wrong with discourse around COVID in left leaning circles. You really have it all:
- misrepresenting statements by those who disagree with you to make them sound like they are from the other political "team"
- Using anecdotes of deaths from COVID, rather than scientific evidence, to support your point of view
- Insisting those who.oppose mask mandates just don't want to be inconvenienced despite them citing real, tangible downsides to mask use in educational settings
- Generally being a self rigjteous POS

If you were so worried about real, tangible downsides to mask use in educational settings, you would have found some evidence of downsides back in September. You did not.

Instead you're bringing it up now, making the calculation that it's safe enough to do without masks NOW, and the issue is enough of a wedge issue that you can use it.

I get it. You don't like being wrong. I'm sure your wife has to watch herself!

The downsides have existed the entire time. It's just that now that the entire student body is eligible to be vaccinated and the case rates are falling it would make sense to end mask mandates

But are we having a debate about when numbers will have fallen enough that they won't rise again? Are we debating antibody levels and efficacy? Boosters?.

Nope.

I would be happy to debate people on when the case rate/positivity/hospitalization rate is low enough to feel comfortable with relaxing mandates but have yet to see an rational counterargument just a lot of hysteria and name calling.

There is no need to debate it. You can use things like hospitalizations but not every cares so much about hospitalizations as they do spread. Rates are down, but they'd been down before and they were down right before the last big surge.

You are irrational if you think if you aren't willing to at least keep the most basic precaution of masking in schools.

People like you are exactly why we need masking. You wouldn't think twice of sending your sick kid to school.

So basically in your mind we should keep mask at school permanently?

Where did you go to school that you learned absolutely no history? What on this earth has ever been permanent other than your stupidity and blatant disregard for your family and community?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Re: your point that it's all about *mandates,* not masks.

No.

This is not an ideological battle over the nuances of "mandates," however much you'd like to make that the new right wing talking point of the day.

"It's not about masks! It's about freedom!"

No. It's about masks. It's about the "nuance" of putting the agency and responsibility of keeping their school safe on the backs of the kids within it. The "nuance" of forcing people to go to work in an unsafe environment.

If it were actually about covid numbers going down you would have the "nuance" to understand that 3300 Americans dying daily means we are still in the meaty part of the lagging indicator that is covid deaths. As I type this, and one reason I am so furious about it, my next-door neighbor, who lost her daughter to covid before vaccines were available, is sick with a lung infection. Again. She's 90 and obviously tough as nails, because if this is covid it will be her third diagnosed case.

Her great granddaughter is also sick with it.for the third time. She just turned five.

I suppose you will see this as evidence that "masks don't work." I see it as a human tragedy that you are not willing to inconvenience yourself to prevent.

This post encapsulates everything that is wrong with discourse around COVID in left leaning circles. You really have it all:
- misrepresenting statements by those who disagree with you to make them sound like they are from the other political "team"
- Using anecdotes of deaths from COVID, rather than scientific evidence, to support your point of view
- Insisting those who.oppose mask mandates just don't want to be inconvenienced despite them citing real, tangible downsides to mask use in educational settings
- Generally being a self rigjteous POS

If you were so worried about real, tangible downsides to mask use in educational settings, you would have found some evidence of downsides back in September. You did not.

Instead you're bringing it up now, making the calculation that it's safe enough to do without masks NOW, and the issue is enough of a wedge issue that you can use it.

I get it. You don't like being wrong. I'm sure your wife has to watch herself!

The downsides have existed the entire time. It's just that now that the entire student body is eligible to be vaccinated and the case rates are falling it would make sense to end mask mandates

There are new variants coming and spring break/travel so continued masking makes sense. Having a vaccine mandate makes no sense.

Yay that was number seven on my list of stupid arguments. The phantom variant that is vaccine resistant

When have you been right about covid?

You keep whining hysterically that you want to have a sincere discussion about the numbers, but despite working for the NIH you have yet to come up with any.

I don't work for the NIH you got me confused for someone else boo.

Can you show us where the vaccine works on both the current and new variants with at least an 85-90% effective rate that lasts for more than two months?

You have to get a new flu vaccine every year I assume that probably the same will be true but they will eventually roll out a combination flu covid vaccine that you get once a year

DP, but the latest data on boosters suggests they’re highly effective, especially at protecting against severe illness, against Omicron ~4 months post-booster shot. This article from NPR sums it up well, with the caveat that it’s in the UK and on Pfizer. We have no reason to think these findings wouldn’t extend to Moderna, as well, and the latter might be better.

https://www.npr.org/sections/goatsandsoda/2022/01/19/1071809356/covid-booster-omicron-efficacy

Do the vaccines protect people indefinitely from symptomatic COVID? No, but we don’t need them to. If everyone in this country were boosted, things would have been very different.

PP also forgets that we have Paxlovid now, which is extremely effective at preventing severe disease and hospitalization. Evusheld is also helpful, too, in preventing severe illness.

Clearly, though, COVID being mild for the vast majority of people isn’t sufficient for her, and she’s not considering the trade-offs of indefinite masks *for children* or any of the other restrictions. Thankfully, most political leaders seem to have more sense than she does.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Re: your point that it's all about *mandates,* not masks.

No.

This is not an ideological battle over the nuances of "mandates," however much you'd like to make that the new right wing talking point of the day.

"It's not about masks! It's about freedom!"

No. It's about masks. It's about the "nuance" of putting the agency and responsibility of keeping their school safe on the backs of the kids within it. The "nuance" of forcing people to go to work in an unsafe environment.

If it were actually about covid numbers going down you would have the "nuance" to understand that 3300 Americans dying daily means we are still in the meaty part of the lagging indicator that is covid deaths. As I type this, and one reason I am so furious about it, my next-door neighbor, who lost her daughter to covid before vaccines were available, is sick with a lung infection. Again. She's 90 and obviously tough as nails, because if this is covid it will be her third diagnosed case.

Her great granddaughter is also sick with it.for the third time. She just turned five.

I suppose you will see this as evidence that "masks don't work." I see it as a human tragedy that you are not willing to inconvenience yourself to prevent.

OMG, Rebekah, enough with your neighbor stories. All you neighbors are immunocompromised. We heard it a million times before. I really want to know what neighborhood you live in so that I can avoid it. Because clearing the neighborhood is making people sick.

Also if you lucky to live 90 you've hopefully had a really wonderful and full life and don't view dying as a tragedy

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Anonymous wrote:Re: your point that it's all about *mandates,* not masks.

No.

This is not an ideological battle over the nuances of "mandates," however much you'd like to make that the new right wing talking point of the day.

"It's not about masks! It's about freedom!"

No. It's about masks. It's about the "nuance" of putting the agency and responsibility of keeping their school safe on the backs of the kids within it. The "nuance" of forcing people to go to work in an unsafe environment.

If it were actually about covid numbers going down you would have the "nuance" to understand that 3300 Americans dying daily means we are still in the meaty part of the lagging indicator that is covid deaths. As I type this, and one reason I am so furious about it, my next-door neighbor, who lost her daughter to covid before vaccines were available, is sick with a lung infection. Again. She's 90 and obviously tough as nails, because if this is covid it will be her third diagnosed case.

Her great granddaughter is also sick with it.for the third time. She just turned five.

I suppose you will see this as evidence that "masks don't work." I see it as a human tragedy that you are not willing to inconvenience yourself to prevent.

This post encapsulates everything that is wrong with discourse around COVID in left leaning circles. You really have it all:
- misrepresenting statements by those who disagree with you to make them sound like they are from the other political "team"
- Using anecdotes of deaths from COVID, rather than scientific evidence, to support your point of view
- Insisting those who.oppose mask mandates just don't want to be inconvenienced despite them citing real, tangible downsides to mask use in educational settings
- Generally being a self rigjteous POS

If you were so worried about real, tangible downsides to mask use in educational settings, you would have found some evidence of downsides back in September. You did not.

Instead you're bringing it up now, making the calculation that it's safe enough to do without masks NOW, and the issue is enough of a wedge issue that you can use it.

I get it. You don't like being wrong. I'm sure your wife has to watch herself!

The downsides have existed the entire time. It's just that now that the entire student body is eligible to be vaccinated and the case rates are falling it would make sense to end mask mandates

There are new variants coming and spring break/travel so continued masking makes sense. Having a vaccine mandate makes no sense.

Yay that was number seven on my list of stupid arguments. The phantom variant that is vaccine resistant

When have you been right about covid?

You keep whining hysterically that you want to have a sincere discussion about the numbers, but despite working for the NIH you have yet to come up with any.

I don't work for the NIH you got me confused for someone else boo.

Can you show us where the vaccine works on both the current and new variants with at least an 85-90% effective rate that lasts for more than two months?

You have to get a new flu vaccine every year I assume that probably the same will be true but they will eventually roll out a combination flu covid vaccine that you get once a year

DP, but the latest data on boosters suggests they’re highly effective, especially at protecting against severe illness, against Omicron ~4 months post-booster shot. This article from NPR sums it up well, with the caveat that it’s in the UK and on Pfizer. We have no reason to think these findings wouldn’t extend to Moderna, as well, and the latter might be better.

https://www.npr.org/sections/goatsandsoda/2022/01/19/1071809356/covid-booster-omicron-efficacy

Do the vaccines protect people indefinitely from symptomatic COVID? No, but we don’t need them to. If everyone in this country were boosted, things would have been very different.

PP also forgets that we have Paxlovid now, which is extremely effective at preventing severe disease and hospitalization. Evusheld is also helpful, too, in preventing severe illness.

Clearly, though, COVID being mild for the vast majority of people isn’t sufficient for her, and she’s not considering the trade-offs of indefinite masks *for children* or any of the other restrictions. Thankfully, most political leaders seem to have more sense than she does.

Darn. If only politicians worked in hospitals! That would solve it! Right now Suburban is still on COVID protocols! What idiots!!! Restrictions in place like we are in a pandemic. Fire them all and let politicians work in the hospitals. Stupid doctors don’t get that we voted the pandemic over. That’s what people do. They decide when to end pandemics, famine, drought, disasters it’s all up to the people to just say stop! Go away flood, tornado!!!

[Anonymous]

Sounds like your 90 year old friend should have worn a mask if she wanted to live forever. But it is insane to expect healthy kids to wear masks for the rest of their lives for your convenience.

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Anonymous wrote:Re: your point that it's all about *mandates,* not masks.

No.

This is not an ideological battle over the nuances of "mandates," however much you'd like to make that the new right wing talking point of the day.

"It's not about masks! It's about freedom!"

No. It's about masks. It's about the "nuance" of putting the agency and responsibility of keeping their school safe on the backs of the kids within it. The "nuance" of forcing people to go to work in an unsafe environment.

If it were actually about covid numbers going down you would have the "nuance" to understand that 3300 Americans dying daily means we are still in the meaty part of the lagging indicator that is covid deaths. As I type this, and one reason I am so furious about it, my next-door neighbor, who lost her daughter to covid before vaccines were available, is sick with a lung infection. Again. She's 90 and obviously tough as nails, because if this is covid it will be her third diagnosed case.

Her great granddaughter is also sick with it.for the third time. She just turned five.

I suppose you will see this as evidence that "masks don't work." I see it as a human tragedy that you are not willing to inconvenience yourself to prevent.

This post encapsulates everything that is wrong with discourse around COVID in left leaning circles. You really have it all:
- misrepresenting statements by those who disagree with you to make them sound like they are from the other political "team"
- Using anecdotes of deaths from COVID, rather than scientific evidence, to support your point of view
- Insisting those who.oppose mask mandates just don't want to be inconvenienced despite them citing real, tangible downsides to mask use in educational settings
- Generally being a self rigjteous POS

If you were so worried about real, tangible downsides to mask use in educational settings, you would have found some evidence of downsides back in September. You did not.

Instead you're bringing it up now, making the calculation that it's safe enough to do without masks NOW, and the issue is enough of a wedge issue that you can use it.

I get it. You don't like being wrong. I'm sure your wife has to watch herself!

The downsides have existed the entire time. It's just that now that the entire student body is eligible to be vaccinated and the case rates are falling it would make sense to end mask mandates

There are new variants coming and spring break/travel so continued masking makes sense. Having a vaccine mandate makes no sense.

Yay that was number seven on my list of stupid arguments. The phantom variant that is vaccine resistant

When have you been right about covid?

You keep whining hysterically that you want to have a sincere discussion about the numbers, but despite working for the NIH you have yet to come up with any.

I don't work for the NIH you got me confused for someone else boo.

Can you show us where the vaccine works on both the current and new variants with at least an 85-90% effective rate that lasts for more than two months?

You have to get a new flu vaccine every year I assume that probably the same will be true but they will eventually roll out a combination flu covid vaccine that you get once a year

DP, but the latest data on boosters suggests they’re highly effective, especially at protecting against severe illness, against Omicron ~4 months post-booster shot. This article from NPR sums it up well, with the caveat that it’s in the UK and on Pfizer. We have no reason to think these findings wouldn’t extend to Moderna, as well, and the latter might be better.

https://www.npr.org/sections/goatsandsoda/2022/01/19/1071809356/covid-booster-omicron-efficacy

Do the vaccines protect people indefinitely from symptomatic COVID? No, but we don’t need them to. If everyone in this country were boosted, things would have been very different.

PP also forgets that we have Paxlovid now, which is extremely effective at preventing severe disease and hospitalization. Evusheld is also helpful, too, in preventing severe illness.

Clearly, though, COVID being mild for the vast majority of people isn’t sufficient for her, and she’s not considering the trade-offs of indefinite masks *for children* or any of the other restrictions. Thankfully, most political leaders seem to have more sense than she does.

Darn. If only politicians worked in hospitals! That would solve it! Right now Suburban is still on COVID protocols! What idiots!!! Restrictions in place like we are in a pandemic. Fire them all and let politicians work in the hospitals. Stupid doctors don’t get that we voted the pandemic over. That’s what people do. They decide when to end pandemics, famine, drought, disasters it’s all up to the people to just say stop! Go away flood, tornado!!!

Don’t be daft. Different jobs call for different kinds of expertise. No one asks politicians to work in hospitals and no one asks healthcare professionals to be political leaders. And that’s good, because we need the latter to make decisions incorporating the broad perspective and based on the fact that COVID is not the only public health crisis out there (see: Surgeon General’s Report on the mental health crisis among children and adolescents).

Newsom’s plan to transition California is an interesting one. I’m sure it will hit bumps, but that’s the kind of comprehensive strategy we’ll need, ultimately. We have to be flexible and not run around with our hair on fire screaming “COVID” all the time. That… doesn’t work.

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Anonymous wrote:Re: your point that it's all about *mandates,* not masks.

No.

This is not an ideological battle over the nuances of "mandates," however much you'd like to make that the new right wing talking point of the day.

"It's not about masks! It's about freedom!"

No. It's about masks. It's about the "nuance" of putting the agency and responsibility of keeping their school safe on the backs of the kids within it. The "nuance" of forcing people to go to work in an unsafe environment.

If it were actually about covid numbers going down you would have the "nuance" to understand that 3300 Americans dying daily means we are still in the meaty part of the lagging indicator that is covid deaths. As I type this, and one reason I am so furious about it, my next-door neighbor, who lost her daughter to covid before vaccines were available, is sick with a lung infection. Again. She's 90 and obviously tough as nails, because if this is covid it will be her third diagnosed case.

Her great granddaughter is also sick with it.for the third time. She just turned five.

I suppose you will see this as evidence that "masks don't work." I see it as a human tragedy that you are not willing to inconvenience yourself to prevent.

This post encapsulates everything that is wrong with discourse around COVID in left leaning circles. You really have it all:
- misrepresenting statements by those who disagree with you to make them sound like they are from the other political "team"
- Using anecdotes of deaths from COVID, rather than scientific evidence, to support your point of view
- Insisting those who.oppose mask mandates just don't want to be inconvenienced despite them citing real, tangible downsides to mask use in educational settings
- Generally being a self rigjteous POS

If you were so worried about real, tangible downsides to mask use in educational settings, you would have found some evidence of downsides back in September. You did not.

Instead you're bringing it up now, making the calculation that it's safe enough to do without masks NOW, and the issue is enough of a wedge issue that you can use it.

I get it. You don't like being wrong. I'm sure your wife has to watch herself!

The downsides have existed the entire time. It's just that now that the entire student body is eligible to be vaccinated and the case rates are falling it would make sense to end mask mandates

But are we having a debate about when numbers will have fallen enough that they won't rise again? Are we debating antibody levels and efficacy? Boosters?.

Nope.

I would be happy to debate people on when the case rate/positivity/hospitalization rate is low enough to feel comfortable with relaxing mandates but have yet to see an rational counterargument just a lot of hysteria and name calling.

There is no need to debate it. You can use things like hospitalizations but not every cares so much about hospitalizations as they do spread. Rates are down, but they'd been down before and they were down right before the last big surge.

You are irrational if you think if you aren't willing to at least keep the most basic precaution of masking in schools.

People like you are exactly why we need masking. You wouldn't think twice of sending your sick kid to school.

So basically in your mind we should keep mask at school permanently?

Where did you go to school that you learned absolutely no history? What on this earth has ever been permanent other than your stupidity and blatant disregard for your family and community?

Hey that's your argument not mine. You're the one who cannot give any kind of timeline or criteria for when we could get rid of masks so the logic dictates that you want masks forever

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Anonymous wrote:Sounds like your 90 year old friend should have worn a mask if she wanted to live forever. But it is insane to expect healthy kids to wear masks for the rest of their lives for your convenience.

Her 5 year old granddaughter should be wearing a mask at all times imagine the guilt she must feel at getting her grandmother sick when she took her mask off at lunch!

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Anonymous wrote:Sounds like your 90 year old friend should have worn a mask if she wanted to live forever. But it is insane to expect healthy kids to wear masks for the rest of their lives for your convenience.

Convince is caring about humanity????? What a sick, sick person. Did you hate your mother?