The Karen meme silences White women

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Anonymous wrote:Honestly, I have never called someone a Karen, but this thread has made me rethink that. I will use it liberally now.

I would rather be a Karen, than someone who resorts to calling other people names.

Karen is abusive to service workers and usually calls people names. So there ya go.

Great, so say that. That’s more effective to show the issue when you name the problem rather than name calling.

Is it? Bc using Karen really seems to upset people. No one cares about being called a jerk.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Honestly, I have never called someone a Karen, but this thread has made me rethink that. I will use it liberally now.

Go ahead but don't be surprised when rational, mature people cringe when you do so.

Rational, mature people know the difference between an assertive woman and a bossy, entitled, disrespectful, privileged woman screaming at people she views as beneath her (ie the definition posted on this very thread).

No they don't, because implicit bias.

+1. We all know the threshold for women is lower than for men.

“Bossy and entitled” are in the eye of the beholder (she merely disagrees with you) and “screaming” isn’t required (see the Urban Dictionary definitions).

Your issues are with men. Men aren’t given a pass. If you want to give white men a label then do so. Start one the way Karen was started.

Donnie!

But gender-based insults are just wrong. Call the person a jerk.

If calling someone a jerk would lead to a 50 page thread then you may have had a point.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I'm not a fan of the terms, because there is no male equivalent. If there was, say, a "Kevin," referring to a white guy who engaged in entitled behavior, that would be ok. But there isn't. And don't think for a second that there aren't guys who act like "Karens." We had some nut write a complaint letter to our chess club because his son was assigned to black rather than white more often, and apparently, according to statistical studies, black only wins 45 percent of the time. WTF.

We are in a gender neutral world today. Feel free to call him a Karen, too.

This! Case closed.

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I'm not a fan of the terms, because there is no male equivalent. If there was, say, a "Kevin," referring to a white guy who engaged in entitled behavior, that would be ok. But there isn't. And don't think for a second that there aren't guys who act like "Karens." We had some nut write a complaint letter to our chess club because his son was assigned to black rather than white more often, and apparently, according to statistical studies, black only wins 45 percent of the time. WTF.


We are in a gender neutral world today. Feel free to call him a Karen, too.


This! Case closed.

That's fair, I would be ok with that, if other people used the term in a similarly gender-neutral way. I haven't heard people do so.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Honestly, I have never called someone a Karen, but this thread has made me rethink that. I will use it liberally now.

Go ahead but don't be surprised when rational, mature people cringe when you do so.

Rational, mature people know the difference between an assertive woman and a bossy, entitled, disrespectful, privileged woman screaming at people she views as beneath her (ie the definition posted on this very thread).

No they don't, because implicit bias.

+1. We all know the threshold for women is lower than for men.

“Bossy and entitled” are in the eye of the beholder (she merely disagrees with you) and “screaming” isn’t required (see the Urban Dictionary definitions).

Your issues are with men. Men aren’t given a pass. If you want to give white men a label then do so. Start one the way Karen was started.

And what name do we give non-white people who are bossy, entitled, disrespectful, and privelaged? My black friend gets a pass because she's black?

What name would you like to give them? Do you see them often? Ask your black friend if she gets a pass. I’m sure she will explain the “angry black woman” stereotype to you in detail.

The Karen meme comes from people seeing a particular white woman acting entitled, demanding, and privileged. You don’t like it, fine. But that doesn’t change the experience plenty of people have had to deal with.

So based on this thread, reporting a car break in, a theft, and even doing what OP did deems one as entitled, demanding, and privelaged hence it's ok to call them a Karen. Do you know how looney that is? I'm an immigrant POC silently watching all of this go down and at times I consider going back to my country where sensible and reasonable and kind people are still the majority.

Oh, please tell us what this country is.

People always refer to an idyllic home country that is So Much BeTter, but they never share what it is.

Since it's so great, won't you please please pretty-please share?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Honestly, I have never called someone a Karen, but this thread has made me rethink that. I will use it liberally now.

I would rather be a Karen, than someone who resorts to calling other people names.

Karen is abusive to service workers and usually calls people names. So there ya go.

Great, so say that. That’s more effective to show the issue when you name the problem rather than name calling.

Is it? Bc using Karen really seems to upset people. No one cares about being called a jerk.

So people call you a jerk and you keep doing what you're doing?

Your goal shouldn't be to insult someone for being a woman who is behaving badly...by your standards, which will be different from your standards for men. Your goal should be to let them know they're behaving badly.

[Anonymous]

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I'm not a fan of the terms, because there is no male equivalent. If there was, say, a "Kevin," referring to a white guy who engaged in entitled behavior, that would be ok. But there isn't. And don't think for a second that there aren't guys who act like "Karens." We had some nut write a complaint letter to our chess club because his son was assigned to black rather than white more often, and apparently, according to statistical studies, black only wins 45 percent of the time. WTF.


We are in a gender neutral world today. Feel free to call him a Karen, too.


This! Case closed.

That's fair, I would be ok with that, if other people used the term in a similarly gender-neutral way. I haven't heard people do so.

And they never will, because there are different behavioral expectations of women than of men.

But if we do go to gender-based insults (God forbid), I'm totally behind "Donald" for men. Maybe even add the T.

[Anonymous]

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I'm not a fan of the terms, because there is no male equivalent. If there was, say, a "Kevin," referring to a white guy who engaged in entitled behavior, that would be ok. But there isn't. And don't think for a second that there aren't guys who act like "Karens." We had some nut write a complaint letter to our chess club because his son was assigned to black rather than white more often, and apparently, according to statistical studies, black only wins 45 percent of the time. WTF.


We are in a gender neutral world today. Feel free to call him a Karen, too.


This! Case closed.

That's fair, I would be ok with that, if other people used the term in a similarly gender-neutral way. I haven't heard people do so.

You can’t control other people.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Honestly, I have never called someone a Karen, but this thread has made me rethink that. I will use it liberally now.

I would rather be a Karen, than someone who resorts to calling other people names.

Karen is abusive to service workers and usually calls people names. So there ya go.

Great, so say that. That’s more effective to show the issue when you name the problem rather than name calling.

Is it? Bc using Karen really seems to upset people. No one cares about being called a jerk.

So people call you a jerk and you keep doing what you're doing?

Your goal shouldn't be to insult someone for being a woman who is behaving badly...by your standards, which will be different from your standards for men. Your goal should be to let them know they're behaving badly.

If someone I didn’t know called me a jerk I wouldn’t care. People I know don’t call me a jerk.

My personal goal is to stay in my lane. Now you are making up things. You know nothing of my personal standards for men or women. You want to control people’s beliefs, ideas and personal viewpoints. You can’t. Control your own.

[Anonymous]

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If you are basing your ideals on this one thread, then yeah, that’s looney. You are also choosing to deliberately ignore the meaning of Karen and the numerous public examples posted in the news. It has been said so many times that being simply assertive isn't the meaning of Karen. That’s the meaning YOU want for it.

If your home country has those people then why the hell are you here?! Tell us this country so we can all go there. Also, it’s “privileged.”

DP. No, YOU'RE ignoring how people use Karen. Check out how everybody abused OP for the first 5 pages of this thread, for just thinking about being assertive.

Check out the Urban Dictionary definitions--they don't necessarily involve kicking and screaming, just asking for the manager.

Good luck policing that behavior to confirm with your private definition.

(Ignoring the bigoted second para of your thread.)

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

I'm not a fan of the terms, because there is no male equivalent. If there was, say, a "Kevin," referring to a white guy who engaged in entitled behavior, that would be ok. But there isn't. And don't think for a second that there aren't guys who act like "Karens." We had some nut write a complaint letter to our chess club because his son was assigned to black rather than white more often, and apparently, according to statistical studies, black only wins 45 percent of the time. WTF.


We are in a gender neutral world today. Feel free to call him a Karen, too.


This! Case closed.

That's fair, I would be ok with that, if other people used the term in a similarly gender-neutral way. I haven't heard people do so.

And they never will, because there are different behavioral expectations of women than of men.

But if we do go to gender-based insults (God forbid), I'm totally behind "Donald" for men. Maybe even add the T.

Yeah the expectation is not to act a fool in public. And don’t be dumb enough to be recorded acting a fool.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Honestly, I have never called someone a Karen, but this thread has made me rethink that. I will use it liberally now.

I would rather be a Karen, than someone who resorts to calling other people names.

Karen is abusive to service workers and usually calls people names. So there ya go.

Great, so say that. That’s more effective to show the issue when you name the problem rather than name calling.

Is it? Bc using Karen really seems to upset people. No one cares about being called a jerk.

So people call you a jerk and you keep doing what you're doing?

Your goal shouldn't be to insult someone for being a woman who is behaving badly...by your standards, which will be different from your standards for men. Your goal should be to let them know they're behaving badly.

If someone I didn’t know called me a jerk I wouldn’t care. People I know don’t call me a jerk.

My personal goal is to stay in my lane. Now you are making up things. You know nothing of my personal standards for men or women. You want to control people’s beliefs, ideas and personal viewpoints. You can’t. Control your own.

You want to control how people use Karen. You can't. It will be abused by many people. So stop promoting it.

Maybe you're the perfect feminist (doubt that by your posts here, but go with me). Plenty of/most other people judge women differently than men.

[Anonymous]

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If you are basing your ideals on this one thread, then yeah, that’s looney. You are also choosing to deliberately ignore the meaning of Karen and the numerous public examples posted in the news. It has been said so many times that being simply assertive isn't the meaning of Karen. That’s the meaning YOU want for it.

If your home country has those people then why the hell are you here?! Tell us this country so we can all go there. Also, it’s “privileged.”

DP. No, YOU'RE ignoring how people use Karen. Check out how everybody abused OP for the first 5 pages of this thread, for just thinking about being assertive.

Check out the Urban Dictionary definitions--they don't necessarily involve kicking and screaming, just asking for the manager.

Good luck policing that behavior to confirm with your private definition.

(Ignoring the bigoted second para of your thread.)

Did OP want to speak to someone at the smoothie place in order to complain?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Honestly, I have never called someone a Karen, but this thread has made me rethink that. I will use it liberally now.

I would rather be a Karen, than someone who resorts to calling other people names.

Karen is abusive to service workers and usually calls people names. So there ya go.

Great, so say that. That’s more effective to show the issue when you name the problem rather than name calling.

Is it? Bc using Karen really seems to upset people. No one cares about being called a jerk.

So people call you a jerk and you keep doing what you're doing?

Your goal shouldn't be to insult someone for being a woman who is behaving badly...by your standards, which will be different from your standards for men. Your goal should be to let them know they're behaving badly.

If someone I didn’t know called me a jerk I wouldn’t care. People I know don’t call me a jerk.

My personal goal is to stay in my lane. Now you are making up things. You know nothing of my personal standards for men or women. You want to control people’s beliefs, ideas and personal viewpoints. You can’t. Control your own.

You want to control how people use Karen. You can't. It will be abused by many people. So stop promoting it.

Maybe you're the perfect feminist (doubt that by your posts here, but go with me). Plenty of/most other people judge women differently than men.

Umm...yeah idc how people use Karen. But I will refer to the definition that was posted and how the media labels Karen. You can use any definition you want in order to fit your argument.

You want to control people. You can’t. You keep telling posters fo stop using Karen bc it offends you. You are making demands and getting upset bc they aren’t being met. Sounds super familiar.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

If you are basing your ideals on this one thread, then yeah, that’s looney. You are also choosing to deliberately ignore the meaning of Karen and the numerous public examples posted in the news. It has been said so many times that being simply assertive isn't the meaning of Karen. That’s the meaning YOU want for it.

If your home country has those people then why the hell are you here?! Tell us this country so we can all go there. Also, it’s “privileged.”

DP. No, YOU'RE ignoring how people use Karen. Check out how everybody abused OP for the first 5 pages of this thread, for just thinking about being assertive.

Check out the Urban Dictionary definitions--they don't necessarily involve kicking and screaming, just asking for the manager.

Good luck policing that behavior to confirm with your private definition.

(Ignoring the bigoted second para of your thread.)

Did OP want to speak to someone at the smoothie place in order to complain?

Fifth post on the thread. OP wanted to, but didn't speak with anybody. She doesn't mention talking to the manager specifically, just somebody. She had a legitimate concern about COVID. She certainly didn't kick and scream, or suggest that she was planning to kick and scream--she tells us the mild-sounding questions she wanted to ask.

I am the OP, not a troll. And an example of when I might have spoken in the past but did not recently. I ordered curbside pick up from a local smoothie shop a few weeks ago, before we were in phase 1 opening, the restaurant was advertising curbside Pick-up. I ordered my smoothie online, however, When I drove to the shop to pick it up there are a line of people inside the store to order and a line waiting (Inside as well) at the counter to pick up their smoothies. A year ago if this happened, pre-Karen meme, I would have said something along the lines of aren’t we supposed to be doing curbside? Why is everybody in the store? This time I just walked away.

Cue pages of abuse....