The Karen meme silences White women

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Anonymous wrote:Honestly, I have never called someone a Karen, but this thread has made me rethink that. I will use it liberally now.

Go ahead but don't be surprised when rational, mature people view you as a racist and misogynistwhen you do so.

FTFY

3rd DP. That’s why they cringe when they see pp using it.

Only people who relate to the behavior cringe.

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Anonymous wrote:Honestly, I have never called someone a Karen, but this thread has made me rethink that. I will use it liberally now.

Go ahead but don't be surprised when rational, mature people cringe when you do so.

Rational, mature people know the difference between an assertive woman and a bossy, entitled, disrespectful, privileged woman screaming at people she views as beneath her (ie the definition posted on this very thread).

No they don't, because implicit bias.

+1. We all know the threshold for women is lower than for men.

“Bossy and entitled” are in the eye of the beholder (she merely disagrees with you) and “screaming” isn’t required (see the Urban Dictionary definitions).

Your issues are with men. Men aren’t given a pass. If you want to give white men a label then do so. Start one the way Karen was started.

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Anonymous wrote:Honestly, I have never called someone a Karen, but this thread has made me rethink that. I will use it liberally now.

Go ahead but don't be surprised when rational, mature people cringe when you do so.

Rational, mature people know the difference between an assertive woman and a bossy, entitled, disrespectful, privileged woman screaming at people she views as beneath her (ie the definition posted on this very thread).

No they don't, because implicit bias.

+1. We all know the threshold for women is lower than for men.

“Bossy and entitled” are in the eye of the beholder (she merely disagrees with you) and “screaming” isn’t required (see the Urban Dictionary definitions).

Your issues are with men. Men aren’t given a pass. If you want to give white men a label then do so. Start one the way Karen was started.

And what name do we give non-white people who are bossy, entitled, disrespectful, and privelaged? My black friend gets a pass because she's black?

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Anonymous wrote:Every other group, including white men, has to live with stereotypes and generalizations that don’t necessarily apply to them on an individual level. Based on the pages and pages of posts here, along with the endless naval gazing think pieces and op-eds in the media, some white women are not used to this.

Well, welcome to the club. Now you know how it feels.

Misogyny isn't new.

Neither is white entitlement. It now just has a name and a kicky haircut.

If you’re white, you’re part of the problem too. So using Karen is acting like you’re not.

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Anonymous wrote:Honestly, I have never called someone a Karen, but this thread has made me rethink that. I will use it liberally now.

Go ahead but don't be surprised when rational, mature people cringe when you do so.

Rational, mature people know the difference between an assertive woman and a bossy, entitled, disrespectful, privileged woman screaming at people she views as beneath her (ie the definition posted on this very thread).

No they don't, because implicit bias.

+1. We all know the threshold for women is lower than for men.

“Bossy and entitled” are in the eye of the beholder (she merely disagrees with you) and “screaming” isn’t required (see the Urban Dictionary definitions).

Your issues are with men. Men aren’t given a pass. If you want to give white men a label then do so. Start one the way Karen was started.

And what name do we give non-white people who are bossy, entitled, disrespectful, and privelaged? My black friend gets a pass because she's black?

What name would you like to give them? Do you see them often? Ask your black friend if she gets a pass. I’m sure she will explain the “angry black woman” stereotype to you in detail.

The Karen meme comes from people seeing a particular white woman acting entitled, demanding, and privileged. You don’t like it, fine. But that doesn’t change the experience plenty of people have had to deal with.

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Anonymous wrote:I'm not a fan of the terms, because there is no male equivalent. If there was, say, a "Kevin," referring to a white guy who engaged in entitled behavior, that would be ok. But there isn't. And don't think for a second that there aren't guys who act like "Karens." We had some nut write a complaint letter to our chess club because his son was assigned to black rather than white more often, and apparently, according to statistical studies, black only wins 45 percent of the time. WTF.

We are in a gender neutral world today. Feel free to call him a Karen, too.

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You replied to my comment. So nope, I didn’t provide a definition. Reread the definitions you posted, it’s very clear Karen isn’t aimed at strong women. It’s aimed at a certain women who is entitled, overly aggressive, disrespectful and wants to speak with a manager when not given her way.

What you're missing is this spreads to every woman who is behaving in a way someone doesn't like. You don't understand how that works? It's used to control women.

You don't think the soccer team needs matching team water bottles? Stop being a Karen.

You asked for decaf, we gave you caf, and now you want to exchange it? What a Karen.

You don't think I should be letting my cat wander around eating birds in your yard? You're a total Karen.

Agree. It's like calling a woman a ho or slut because she's promiscuous. There's really no male equivalent for ho because it's not considered shameful for men to sleep around. Similarly, there is no Karen equivalent for a man because it is not considered shameful for a man to speak up or assert himself; on the contrary, this is considered the epitome of maleness in our culture. Karening is an attempt to shame women into silence, like the modern day equivalent of a shrew's fiddle or a scold's bridle. Since women can no longer be pilloried or physically tortured for speaking up, they are called names for stepping out of the bounds of what society deems appropriate female behavior and acting more like men.

Men have double standards applied to them as well. You don’t recognize this because you are so utterly consumed with your persecution/victim complex that your ability to empathize with other people is impaired. Look at how you constantly project needlessly sinister and violent intentions onto other people as if they are simplistic cartoon villains who have no existence beyond tormenting you.

Give me one example.

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Anonymous wrote:Honestly, I have never called someone a Karen, but this thread has made me rethink that. I will use it liberally now.

Go ahead but don't be surprised when rational, mature people cringe when you do so.

Rational, mature people know the difference between an assertive woman and a bossy, entitled, disrespectful, privileged woman screaming at people she views as beneath her (ie the definition posted on this very thread).

No they don't, because implicit bias.

+1. We all know the threshold for women is lower than for men.

“Bossy and entitled” are in the eye of the beholder (she merely disagrees with you) and “screaming” isn’t required (see the Urban Dictionary definitions).

Your issues are with men. Men aren’t given a pass. If you want to give white men a label then do so. Start one the way Karen was started.

And what name do we give non-white people who are bossy, entitled, disrespectful, and privelaged? My black friend gets a pass because she's black?

What name would you like to give them? Do you see them often? Ask your black friend if she gets a pass. I’m sure she will explain the “angry black woman” stereotype to you in detail.

The Karen meme comes from people seeing a particular white woman acting entitled, demanding, and privileged. You don’t like it, fine. But that doesn’t change the experience plenty of people have had to deal with.

So based on this thread, reporting a car break in, a theft, and even doing what OP did deems one as entitled, demanding, and privelaged hence it's ok to call them a Karen. Do you know how looney that is? I'm an immigrant POC silently watching all of this go down and at times I consider going back to my country where sensible and reasonable and kind people are still the majority.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Honestly, I have never called someone a Karen, but this thread has made me rethink that. I will use it liberally now.

I would rather be a Karen, than someone who resorts to calling other people names.

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Anonymous wrote:Honestly, I have never called someone a Karen, but this thread has made me rethink that. I will use it liberally now.

Go ahead but don't be surprised when rational, mature people cringe when you do so.

Rational, mature people know the difference between an assertive woman and a bossy, entitled, disrespectful, privileged woman screaming at people she views as beneath her (ie the definition posted on this very thread).

No they don't, because implicit bias.

+1. We all know the threshold for women is lower than for men.

“Bossy and entitled” are in the eye of the beholder (she merely disagrees with you) and “screaming” isn’t required (see the Urban Dictionary definitions).

Your issues are with men. Men aren’t given a pass. If you want to give white men a label then do so. Start one the way Karen was started.

And what name do we give non-white people who are bossy, entitled, disrespectful, and privelaged? My black friend gets a pass because she's black?

What name would you like to give them? Do you see them often? Ask your black friend if she gets a pass. I’m sure she will explain the “angry black woman” stereotype to you in detail.

The Karen meme comes from people seeing a particular white woman acting entitled, demanding, and privileged. You don’t like it, fine. But that doesn’t change the experience plenty of people have had to deal with.

So based on this thread, reporting a car break in, a theft, and even doing what OP did deems one as entitled, demanding, and privelaged hence it's ok to call them a Karen. Do you know how looney that is? I'm an immigrant POC silently watching all of this go down and at times I consider going back to my country where sensible and reasonable and kind people are still the majority.

+ 1 People are going nuts here

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Honestly, I have never called someone a Karen, but this thread has made me rethink that. I will use it liberally now.

Go ahead but don't be surprised when rational, mature people cringe when you do so.

Rational, mature people know the difference between an assertive woman and a bossy, entitled, disrespectful, privileged woman screaming at people she views as beneath her (ie the definition posted on this very thread).

No they don't, because implicit bias.

+1. We all know the threshold for women is lower than for men.

“Bossy and entitled” are in the eye of the beholder (she merely disagrees with you) and “screaming” isn’t required (see the Urban Dictionary definitions).

Your issues are with men. Men aren’t given a pass. If you want to give white men a label then do so. Start one the way Karen was started.

And what name do we give non-white people who are bossy, entitled, disrespectful, and privelaged? My black friend gets a pass because she's black?

What name would you like to give them? Do you see them often? Ask your black friend if she gets a pass. I’m sure she will explain the “angry black woman” stereotype to you in detail.

The Karen meme comes from people seeing a particular white woman acting entitled, demanding, and privileged. You don’t like it, fine. But that doesn’t change the experience plenty of people have had to deal with.

So based on this thread, reporting a car break in, a theft, and even doing what OP did deems one as entitled, demanding, and privelaged hence it's ok to call them a Karen. Do you know how looney that is? I'm an immigrant POC silently watching all of this go down and at times I consider going back to my country where sensible and reasonable and kind people are still the majority.

If you are basing your ideals on this one thread, then yeah, that’s looney. You are also choosing to deliberately ignore the meaning of Karen and the numerous public examples posted in the news. It has been said so many times that being simply assertive isn't the meaning of Karen. That’s the meaning YOU want for it.

If your home country has those people then why the hell are you here?! Tell us this country so we can all go there. Also, it’s “privileged.”

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Anonymous wrote:Honestly, I have never called someone a Karen, but this thread has made me rethink that. I will use it liberally now.

I would rather be a Karen, than someone who resorts to calling other people names.

Karen is abusive to service workers and usually calls people names. So there ya go.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:DP. Anyone who thinks that OP is a Karen has an axe to grind. I find the word sexist and racist. Its just as bad as the angry black woman stereotype except we don't go around calling assertive black women an equivalent name. I can't believe some of you fools are seriously shaming white women for reporting a thief and for reporting car break-ins. Would you call a Latina woman the same? My black friend complained at a restaurant that they got her order all wrong. She also complained that Starbucks accidentally put soy milk in her latte. Is she a Karen? Or is that reserved for white women only? Bottom line the meme is meant to shame white women into asserting themselves.

+ 1 totally agree and some of you should be ashamed of yourself for shaming some of the posters. People in this country seem to go to extremes. Can't you just have a healthy middle-ground way of thinking, for crying out loud?! Work on your race relations issues, but do not shame sane people.

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Anonymous wrote:Honestly, I have never called someone a Karen, but this thread has made me rethink that. I will use it liberally now.

I would rather be a Karen, than someone who resorts to calling other people names.

Karen is abusive to service workers and usually calls people names. So there ya go.

Great, so say that. That’s more effective to show the issue when you name the problem rather than name calling.

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Anonymous wrote:Honestly, I have never called someone a Karen, but this thread has made me rethink that. I will use it liberally now.

Go ahead but don't be surprised when rational, mature people cringe when you do so.

Rational, mature people know the difference between an assertive woman and a bossy, entitled, disrespectful, privileged woman screaming at people she views as beneath her (ie the definition posted on this very thread).

No they don't, because implicit bias.

+1. We all know the threshold for women is lower than for men.

“Bossy and entitled” are in the eye of the beholder (she merely disagrees with you) and “screaming” isn’t required (see the Urban Dictionary definitions).

Your issues are with men. Men aren’t given a pass. If you want to give white men a label then do so. Start one the way Karen was started.

Donnie!

But gender-based insults are just wrong. Call the person a jerk.