The Karen meme silences White women

[Anonymous]

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If you are basing your ideals on this one thread, then yeah, that’s looney. You are also choosing to deliberately ignore the meaning of Karen and the numerous public examples posted in the news. It has been said so many times that being simply assertive isn't the meaning of Karen. That’s the meaning YOU want for it.

If your home country has those people then why the hell are you here?! Tell us this country so we can all go there. Also, it’s “privileged.”

DP. No, YOU'RE ignoring how people use Karen. Check out how everybody abused OP for the first 5 pages of this thread, for just thinking about being assertive.

Check out the Urban Dictionary definitions--they don't necessarily involve kicking and screaming, just asking for the manager.

Good luck policing that behavior to confirm with your private definition.

(Ignoring the bigoted second para of your thread.)

Everybody? Well if that is true then I guess Op would need to review her own behavior. As everybody cannot be wrong.

[Anonymous]

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Umm...yeah idc how people use Karen. But I will refer to the definition that was posted and how the media labels Karen. You can use any definition you want in order to fit your argument.

You want to control people. You can’t. You keep telling posters fo stop using Karen bc it offends you. You are making demands and getting upset bc they aren’t being met. Sounds super familiar.

Are you a man or a woman? Are you the conservative from earlier in the thread who actually likes a phrase that demeans assertive women?

You want to go around spewing a misogynistic phrase that you ADMIT is abused and used against assertive women. Pat yourself on the back.

[Anonymous]

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Your issues are with men. Men aren’t given a pass. If you want to give white men a label then do so. Start one the way Karen was started.

And what name do we give non-white people who are bossy, entitled, disrespectful, and privelaged? My black friend gets a pass because she's black?

What name would you like to give them? Do you see them often? Ask your black friend if she gets a pass. I’m sure she will explain the “angry black woman” stereotype to you in detail.

The Karen meme comes from people seeing a particular white woman acting entitled, demanding, and privileged. You don’t like it, fine. But that doesn’t change the experience plenty of people have had to deal with.

The angry black woman stereotype is wrong, too. So you think it's a great idea to promote a new stereotype?

And how, exactly, do you plan to police Karen so that only demanding and privileged white women are tagged? Ask black women how that's worked out for them when they're called an angry black woman for returning the latte with soy milk.

[Anonymous]

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Umm...yeah idc how people use Karen. But I will refer to the definition that was posted and how the media labels Karen. You can use any definition you want in order to fit your argument.

You want to control people. You can’t. You keep telling posters fo stop using Karen bc it offends you. You are making demands and getting upset bc they aren’t being met. Sounds super familiar.

Are you a man or a woman? Are you the conservative from earlier in the thread who actually likes a phrase that demeans assertive women?

You want to go around spewing a misogynistic phrase that you ADMIT is abused and used against assertive women. Pat yourself on the back.

Yeah you are really reaching. Are you trying to use conservative as an insult? The way you view Karen as an insult? I would suggest you go view the definition of Karen that was posted.

Also, where did I admit it’s abused and used against assertive women? Seems you are grasping for anything. So once again...You want to CONTROL people. You CANNOT control anyone.

[Anonymous]

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Your issues are with men. Men aren’t given a pass. If you want to give white men a label then do so. Start one the way Karen was started.

And what name do we give non-white people who are bossy, entitled, disrespectful, and privelaged? My black friend gets a pass because she's black?

What name would you like to give them? Do you see them often? Ask your black friend if she gets a pass. I’m sure she will explain the “angry black woman” stereotype to you in detail.

The Karen meme comes from people seeing a particular white woman acting entitled, demanding, and privileged. You don’t like it, fine. But that doesn’t change the experience plenty of people have had to deal with.

The angry black woman stereotype is wrong, too. So you think it's a great idea to promote a new stereotype?

And how, exactly, do you plan to police Karen so that only demanding and privileged white women are tagged? Ask black women how that's worked out for them when they're called an angry black woman for returning the latte with soy milk.

Have you been called Karen in public?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Honestly, I have never called someone a Karen, but this thread has made me rethink that. I will use it liberally now.

I would rather be a Karen, than someone who resorts to calling other people names.

Karen is abusive to service workers and usually calls people names. So there ya go.

Great, so say that. That’s more effective to show the issue when you name the problem rather than name calling.

Is it? Bc using Karen really seems to upset people. No one cares about being called a jerk.

I don’t believe anyone would call me a “Karen” but I care about sexism.
This is not about me personally, but for example, I run a school-wide e-mail to 2,000 recipients and I collect submissions for it. Another parent wanted to submit a random behavioral complaint about kids in the email, and I said - unfortunately I’m not going to use this forum for that - and the person said - that’s how this email used to be run. And I said - Well, I’m in charge now.
I don’t think the people who you want to be upset about it, are upset about it, and moreover you’re harming all women to perpetuate the stereotype of them as complainers.

[Anonymous]

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Your issues are with men. Men aren’t given a pass. If you want to give white men a label then do so. Start one the way Karen was started.

And what name do we give non-white people who are bossy, entitled, disrespectful, and privelaged? My black friend gets a pass because she's black?

What name would you like to give them? Do you see them often? Ask your black friend if she gets a pass. I’m sure she will explain the “angry black woman” stereotype to you in detail.

The Karen meme comes from people seeing a particular white woman acting entitled, demanding, and privileged. You don’t like it, fine. But that doesn’t change the experience plenty of people have had to deal with.

The angry black woman stereotype is wrong, too. So you think it's a great idea to promote a new stereotype?

And how, exactly, do you plan to police Karen so that only demanding and privileged white women are tagged? Ask black women how that's worked out for them when they're called an angry black woman for returning the latte with soy milk.

Have you been called Karen in public?

No, Donnie, I have not been called a Karen in public.

[Anonymous]

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Umm...yeah idc how people use Karen. But I will refer to the definition that was posted and how the media labels Karen. You can use any definition you want in order to fit your argument.

You want to control people. You can’t. You keep telling posters fo stop using Karen bc it offends you. You are making demands and getting upset bc they aren’t being met. Sounds super familiar.

Are you a man or a woman? Are you the conservative from earlier in the thread who actually likes a phrase that demeans assertive women?

You want to go around spewing a misogynistic phrase that you ADMIT is abused and used against assertive women. Pat yourself on the back.

Yeah you are really reaching. Are you trying to use conservative as an insult? The way you view Karen as an insult? I would suggest you go view the definition of Karen that was posted.

Also, where did I admit it’s abused and used against assertive women? Seems you are grasping for anything. So once again...You want to CONTROL people. You CANNOT control anyone.

OK, Donnie

[Anonymous]

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Your issues are with men. Men aren’t given a pass. If you want to give white men a label then do so. Start one the way Karen was started.

And what name do we give non-white people who are bossy, entitled, disrespectful, and privelaged? My black friend gets a pass because she's black?

What name would you like to give them? Do you see them often? Ask your black friend if she gets a pass. I’m sure she will explain the “angry black woman” stereotype to you in detail.

The Karen meme comes from people seeing a particular white woman acting entitled, demanding, and privileged. You don’t like it, fine. But that doesn’t change the experience plenty of people have had to deal with.

The angry black woman stereotype is wrong, too. So you think it's a great idea to promote a new stereotype?

And how, exactly, do you plan to police Karen so that only demanding and privileged white women are tagged? Ask black women how that's worked out for them when they're called an angry black woman for returning the latte with soy milk.

Have you been called Karen in public?

No, Donnie, I have not been called a Karen in public.

Hold up, are you using Donnie as an insult? The way Karen is an insult? Aren’t you arguing that using a specific name as an insult is wrong? I’m confused. Are you a hypocrite?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Honestly, I have never called someone a Karen, but this thread has made me rethink that. I will use it liberally now.

I would rather be a Karen, than someone who resorts to calling other people names.

Karen is abusive to service workers and usually calls people names. So there ya go.

Great, so say that. That’s more effective to show the issue when you name the problem rather than name calling.

Is it? Bc using Karen really seems to upset people. No one cares about being called a jerk.

I don’t believe anyone would call me a “Karen” but I care about sexism.
This is not about me personally, but for example, I run a school-wide e-mail to 2,000 recipients and I collect submissions for it. Another parent wanted to submit a random behavioral complaint about kids in the email, and I said - unfortunately I’m not going to use this forum for that - and the person said - that’s how this email used to be run. And I said - Well, I’m in charge now.
I don’t think the people who you want to be upset about it, are upset about it, and moreover you’re harming all women to perpetuate the stereotype of them as complainers.

If that’s how you view the definition then that’s how you view it. The women being called Karen in the news aren’t just complainers.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

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Umm...yeah idc how people use Karen. But I will refer to the definition that was posted and how the media labels Karen. You can use any definition you want in order to fit your argument.

You want to control people. You can’t. You keep telling posters fo stop using Karen bc it offends you. You are making demands and getting upset bc they aren’t being met. Sounds super familiar.

Are you a man or a woman? Are you the conservative from earlier in the thread who actually likes a phrase that demeans assertive women?

You want to go around spewing a misogynistic phrase that you ADMIT is abused and used against assertive women. Pat yourself on the back.

Yeah you are really reaching. Are you trying to use conservative as an insult? The way you view Karen as an insult? I would suggest you go view the definition of Karen that was posted.

Also, where did I admit it’s abused and used against assertive women? Seems you are grasping for anything. So once again...You want to CONTROL people. You CANNOT control anyone.

I bolded the part where you admit Karen is abused. Own it. And pat yourself on the back.

[Anonymous]

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If that’s how you view the definition then that’s how you view it. The women being called Karen in the news aren’t just complainers.

In the news? I don't know what news outlets you watch, but give us an example of a serious news outlet using "Karen."

It's used in social media. Just went to Urban Dictionary to get the link, because you obviously need help. Here's their new top definition:

TOP DEFINITION
Karen
gives raisins to kids on Halloween

drives an SUV to carpool her kids to soccer practice... better hope the ref doesn’t make a wrong call because she will sue!

love to use snapagram to post her workout selfies

after a long day of talking to managers and driving her kids around she sits down with her mom friends at book club and drinks lots and LOTS of wine

“oh my god Karen do you really have to talk to the Burger King manager every time they forget to give you a ketchup packet.“

“LOL! Yes!! I have to Facebook and instasnap it to all my friends to make sure everyone knows to watch out LOL!!!”

Karen is just annoying to somebody. Uses snapchat/instagram/FB too much. Drinks a lot of wine. Somebody's definition of annoying.

HTH, Donnie.

[Anonymous]

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Umm...yeah idc how people use Karen. But I will refer to the definition that was posted and how the media labels Karen. You can use any definition you want in order to fit your argument.

You want to control people. You can’t. You keep telling posters fo stop using Karen bc it offends you. You are making demands and getting upset bc they aren’t being met. Sounds super familiar.

Are you a man or a woman? Are you the conservative from earlier in the thread who actually likes a phrase that demeans assertive women?

You want to go around spewing a misogynistic phrase that you ADMIT is abused and used against assertive women. Pat yourself on the back.

Yeah you are really reaching. Are you trying to use conservative as an insult? The way you view Karen as an insult? I would suggest you go view the definition of Karen that was posted.

Also, where did I admit it’s abused and used against assertive women? Seems you are grasping for anything. So once again...You want to CONTROL people. You CANNOT control anyone.

I bolded the part where you admit Karen is abused. Own it. And pat yourself on the back.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Your issues are with men. Men aren’t given a pass. If you want to give white men a label then do so. Start one the way Karen was started.

And what name do we give non-white people who are bossy, entitled, disrespectful, and privelaged? My black friend gets a pass because she's black?

What name would you like to give them? Do you see them often? Ask your black friend if she gets a pass. I’m sure she will explain the “angry black woman” stereotype to you in detail.

The Karen meme comes from people seeing a particular white woman acting entitled, demanding, and privileged. You don’t like it, fine. But that doesn’t change the experience plenty of people have had to deal with.

The angry black woman stereotype is wrong, too. So you think it's a great idea to promote a new stereotype?

And how, exactly, do you plan to police Karen so that only demanding and privileged white women are tagged? Ask black women how that's worked out for them when they're called an angry black woman for returning the latte with soy milk.

Have you been called Karen in public?

No, Donnie, I have not been called a Karen in public.

Hold up, are you using Donnie as an insult? The way Karen is an insult? Aren’t you arguing that using a specific name as an insult is wrong? I’m confused. Are you a hypocrite?

Taste of your own medicine. You don't like it, do you, Donnie?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Your issues are with men. Men aren’t given a pass. If you want to give white men a label then do so. Start one the way Karen was started.

And what name do we give non-white people who are bossy, entitled, disrespectful, and privelaged? My black friend gets a pass because she's black?

What name would you like to give them? Do you see them often? Ask your black friend if she gets a pass. I’m sure she will explain the “angry black woman” stereotype to you in detail.

The Karen meme comes from people seeing a particular white woman acting entitled, demanding, and privileged. You don’t like it, fine. But that doesn’t change the experience plenty of people have had to deal with.

The angry black woman stereotype is wrong, too. So you think it's a great idea to promote a new stereotype?

And how, exactly, do you plan to police Karen so that only demanding and privileged white women are tagged? Ask black women how that's worked out for them when they're called an angry black woman for returning the latte with soy milk.

Have you been called Karen in public?

No, Donnie, I have not been called a Karen in public.

Hold up, are you using Donnie as an insult? The way Karen is an insult? Aren’t you arguing that using a specific name as an insult is wrong? I’m confused. Are you a hypocrite?

Taste of your own medicine. You don't like it, do you, Donnie?

So you’re a hypocrite. Girl, bye.