Official Brett Kavanaugh Thread

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I just went back and read some of the posts on the Rolling Stone thread BEFORE the story was discovered to be a hoax.

Very similar to what we see here. A lot of people who “believe it” and are slamming UVA, all fraternities, and men in general.

I would encourage you to read it, then reflect on the crap you are writing here. http://www.dcurbanmom.com/jforum/posts/list/425975.page

Doesn't change the words in black and white in the yearbook, on his own yearbook page and that of his friends, or the contents of Mark Judge's book.

How do you explain away the Renate alum reference? Do you buy what his lawyers are saying? Renate denies she ever kissed him.

"Judge Kavanaugh and Ms. Dolphin attended one high school event together and shared a brief kiss good night following that event," the statement reads.

"They had no other such encounter. The language from Judge Kavanaugh's high school yearbook refers to the fact that he and Ms. Dolphin attended that one high school event together and nothing else."

https://www.cnn.com/2018/09/24/politics/new-york-times-kavanaugh-renate-high-school-yearbook/index.html

Yeah. I actually believe what his lawyers are saying.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:It seems that Ms. Debra Katz didn't think Paula Jones had a case and dismissed her accusations in 1998, based on one incident; but she thinks Dr. Ford does? Guess it depends on the political views of the accuser.

https://www.nytimes.com/1998/03/15/us/testing-president-overview-experts-say-suit-against-president-faces-big-hurdles.html

It's as if you missed the entire MeToo movement.

DP. Does the MeeToo movement mean we should take at face value every accusation, regardless of evidence or lack thereof, as the gospel truth?

No. It means times have changed. What was acceptable (those yearbooks!) in '82-'83 aren't acceptable anymore.

Do you really believe that Thomas would have been confirmed today? Or that he should have been?

[Anonymous]

Sorry if this has been discussed before, but does anyone else think kavanaugh has some psychopathic tendencies? Not the stereotypical psychopathic killer, but the lying, lack of empathy, ability to use a social situation, seems charming to get what he wants or get ahead?

Why the hell lie about that being a virgin until his mid-20s? I was relatively late. There's no shame, but nobody believes that for a moment. WaPo said he refused to answer sexual proclivity and drinking questions during his practice debate. So being virginal is the only way to push those questions off?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Teenage boys in America are watching and learning how far they can push the envelope and claim “normal high school/college boy behavior”. The public discourse matters just as much as what Kavanaugh did or didn’t do.

They already know better than this.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I just went back and read some of the posts on the Rolling Stone thread BEFORE the story was discovered to be a hoax.

Very similar to what we see here. A lot of people who “believe it” and are slamming UVA, all fraternities, and men in general.

I would encourage you to read it, then reflect on the crap you are writing here. http://www.dcurbanmom.com/jforum/posts/list/425975.page

Doesn't change the words in black and white in the yearbook, on his own yearbook page and that of his friends, or the contents of Mark Judge's book.

How do you explain away the Renate alum reference? Do you buy what his lawyers are saying? Renate denies she ever kissed him.

"Judge Kavanaugh and Ms. Dolphin attended one high school event together and shared a brief kiss good night following that event," the statement reads.

"They had no other such encounter. The language from Judge Kavanaugh's high school yearbook refers to the fact that he and Ms. Dolphin attended that one high school event together and nothing else."

https://www.cnn.com/2018/09/24/politics/new-york-times-kavanaugh-renate-high-school-yearbook/index.html

Yeah. I actually believe what his lawyers are saying.

Renate doesn’t. She was there.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Sorry if this has been discussed before, but does anyone else think kavanaugh has some psychopathic tendencies? Not the stereotypical psychopathic killer, but the lying, lack of empathy, ability to use a social situation, seems charming to get what he wants or get ahead?

Why the hell lie about that being a virgin until his mid-20s? I was relatively late. There's no shame, but nobody believes that for a moment. WaPo said he refused to answer sexual proclivity and drinking questions during his practice debate. So being virginal is the only way to push those questions off?

I think his ambition means more to him than honesty. I think that's true of many people, maybe most people.

I also think it's an indicator of his fitness. Or lack thereof.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Sorry if this has been discussed before, but does anyone else think kavanaugh has some psychopathic tendencies? Not the stereotypical psychopathic killer, but the lying, lack of empathy, ability to use a social situation, seems charming to get what he wants or get ahead?

Why the hell lie about that being a virgin until his mid-20s? I was relatively late. There's no shame, but nobody believes that for a moment. WaPo said he refused to answer sexual proclivity and drinking questions during his practice debate. So being virginal is the only way to push those questions off?

I think so too. His lack of empathy was notable, especially toward his wife. He came off as a whiny manipulator.

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Anonymous wrote:The comments here are so damned predictable. “He made her do the interview.” His wife “doesn’t trust him.” Face it - Nothing he or she does would change your minds. They didn’t hold hands so they aren’t close. Had they held hands, they would have been “trying too hard.” “It was so sad to see that Brett Kavanaugh showed no emotion.” Had he shown emotion, he would be too “volatile” in your little minds.

One thing that has become abundantly clear - He could provide undisputed proof that he is totally innocent of these allegations and you people would still convict him. Because of “yearbooks” or some other stupid reason. “Well, Georgetown prep was the school you didn’t date boys from so he is not qualified.”

I find it so telling that people here are all about “believing her” with absolutely no proof, no details, no evidence. These women are actually setting back the efforts of abused women.

You dismiss crime victims so easily because of politics. Sad.

You believe uncorroborated accusations so easily because of politics. Sad.

There is corroboration. Why do you ignore that. And the FBI could easily find more by getting sworn statements. That’s what Kavanaugh should be demanding. It’s what an innocent person would demand.

not re Dr. Ford's accusation

There is. Threre are polygraphs, statements to therapists, statements to others, all done years ago. Let’s get all the facts out instead of trying to plow this nomination through. There are many other conservative judges who are reading and willing to take this seat who do not have such a sordid past of documented heavy drinking, slut shaming, and alleged sexual assault.

That's all from one person, the accuser. Doesn't mean her memory was accurate.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:It seems that Ms. Debra Katz didn't think Paula Jones had a case and dismissed her accusations in 1998, based on one incident; but she thinks Dr. Ford does? Guess it depends on the political views of the accuser.

https://www.nytimes.com/1998/03/15/us/testing-president-overview-experts-say-suit-against-president-faces-big-hurdles.html

It's as if you missed the entire MeToo movement.

DP. Does the MeeToo movement mean we should take at face value every accusation, regardless of evidence or lack thereof, as the gospel truth?

No. It means times have changed. What was acceptable (those yearbooks!) in '82-'83 aren't acceptable anymore.

Do you really believe that Thomas would have been confirmed today? Or that he should have been?

Excuses. Ms Katz's political leanings are on display and in print.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:The comments here are so damned predictable. “He made her do the interview.” His wife “doesn’t trust him.” Face it - Nothing he or she does would change your minds. They didn’t hold hands so they aren’t close. Had they held hands, they would have been “trying too hard.” “It was so sad to see that Brett Kavanaugh showed no emotion.” Had he shown emotion, he would be too “volatile” in your little minds.

One thing that has become abundantly clear - He could provide undisputed proof that he is totally innocent of these allegations and you people would still convict him. Because of “yearbooks” or some other stupid reason. “Well, Georgetown prep was the school you didn’t date boys from so he is not qualified.”

I find it so telling that people here are all about “believing her” with absolutely no proof, no details, no evidence. These women are actually setting back the efforts of abused women.

You dismiss crime victims so easily because of politics. Sad.

DP. Not dismissing crime victims. But also not immediately believing their unproven accusations because of politics, which is what many posters here are doing. Sad.

The fact that Mark Judge isn't supporting his friend is meaningful.

He's not saying it happened, either. And the fact that the people she said were at the gathering don't recall any such thing is meaningful too. Also is the fact that she can't specify when or where, making it impossible for Kavanaugh to provide an alibi.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:The comments here are so damned predictable. “He made her do the interview.” His wife “doesn’t trust him.” Face it - Nothing he or she does would change your minds. They didn’t hold hands so they aren’t close. Had they held hands, they would have been “trying too hard.” “It was so sad to see that Brett Kavanaugh showed no emotion.” Had he shown emotion, he would be too “volatile” in your little minds.

One thing that has become abundantly clear - He could provide undisputed proof that he is totally innocent of these allegations and you people would still convict him. Because of “yearbooks” or some other stupid reason. “Well, Georgetown prep was the school you didn’t date boys from so he is not qualified.”

I find it so telling that people here are all about “believing her” with absolutely no proof, no details, no evidence. These women are actually setting back the efforts of abused women.

You dismiss crime victims so easily because of politics. Sad.

You believe uncorroborated accusations so easily because of politics. Sad.

There is corroboration. Why do you ignore that. And the FBI could easily find more by getting sworn statements. That’s what Kavanaugh should be demanding. It’s what an innocent person would demand.

not re Dr. Ford's accusation

There is. Threre are polygraphs, statements to therapists, statements to others, all done years ago. Let’s get all the facts out instead of trying to plow this nomination through. There are many other conservative judges who are reading and willing to take this seat who do not have such a sordid past of documented heavy drinking, slut shaming, and alleged sexual assault.

A polygraph and Ford’s statements to others are not corroboration. The most they do is show 1) she believes her story and 2) she told others about her version of events at least decades afterwards.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I’m sorry, but the NYTimes digging through the guy’s yearbook in search of “misogynist” attitudes is getting a bit silly and will provoke a backlash in his favor.

It’s weird, prudish, and ever so slightly probative. Gen X women went through a lot of crap that the privileged millennial women will only have to read about.

Not a job I’d want to be tasked with. But when you’ve got a charge like this, a defense like I’ve always respected women, an alleged wingman who has written two memoirs of his drunken exploits during HS, and 65 women signing a letter vouching for BK’s good character in HS, where do you go for sorting out what he was actually like in HS? His Yearbook isn’t a stretch. And when one of the women who signed the character witness letter sees and is shocked by how she’s portrayed there, it raises questions both about BK’s honesty/presentation of self (then and now) and about how well the the 65 women (who, by definition, weren’t this classmates in HS) actually knew him back then.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The comments here are so damned predictable. “He made her do the interview.” His wife “doesn’t trust him.” Face it - Nothing he or she does would change your minds. They didn’t hold hands so they aren’t close. Had they held hands, they would have been “trying too hard.” “It was so sad to see that Brett Kavanaugh showed no emotion.” Had he shown emotion, he would be too “volatile” in your little minds.

One thing that has become abundantly clear - He could provide undisputed proof that he is totally innocent of these allegations and you people would still convict him. Because of “yearbooks” or some other stupid reason. “Well, Georgetown prep was the school you didn’t date boys from so he is not qualified.”

I find it so telling that people here are all about “believing her” with absolutely no proof, no details, no evidence. These women are actually setting back the efforts of abused women.

You dismiss crime victims so easily because of politics. Sad.

You believe uncorroborated accusations so easily because of politics. Sad.

There is corroboration. Why do you ignore that. And the FBI could easily find more by getting sworn statements. That’s what Kavanaugh should be demanding. It’s what an innocent person would demand.

not re Dr. Ford's accusation

There is. Threre are polygraphs, statements to therapists, statements to others, all done years ago. Let’s get all the facts out instead of trying to plow this nomination through. There are many other conservative judges who are reading and willing to take this seat who do not have such a sordid past of documented heavy drinking, slut shaming, and alleged sexual assault.

There is one privately paid for polygraph and we don't know what questions were asked--also polys aren't admissable and can be manipulated as they routinely are on say the Jerry Springer show.

A statement to a couple therapist 30 years after the fact with no name and which says it was four boys. A statement to an individual therapist a year later that says she was in her "late teens" (doesn't describe 15) when she suffered an assault. The only other statement, which was around that time, was to her DH. There is an email this year to a long time friend asking if she remembers Ford bringing it up and she says no.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Sorry if this has been discussed before, but does anyone else think kavanaugh has some psychopathic tendencies? Not the stereotypical psychopathic killer, but the lying, lack of empathy, ability to use a social situation, seems charming to get what he wants or get ahead?

Why the hell lie about that being a virgin until his mid-20s? I was relatively late. There's no shame, but nobody believes that for a moment. WaPo said he refused to answer sexual proclivity and drinking questions during his practice debate. So being virginal is the only way to push those questions off?

You are disgusting. Truly.
Psychopath? Are you f’ing kidding me?
You are also accusing him of lying about a very personal choice he made. How in the hell do you know what he is lying about?

And, had you read the WaPo thoroughly,.... you would have seen that he refused to answer questions THAT WENT OVER THE LINE. As the questioners expected him to do.

You are insufferable.

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Anonymous wrote:Granted I didn't watch the interview, but it's kinda shitty that he made her appear on national television, judging from people's observations here. It doesn't sound like she is a Kellyanne Conway type, who relishes media appearances.

This reminds me of the Good Wife. But, much, much worse.

I don't feel bad for her-- she had to know what she was marrying. But I do feel terrible for their daughters.

Meh. Not necessarily. Guys like Kavanaugh and his crew know how to be charming, articulate, and put on a good show - it's no doubt part of what was stressed at Georgetown Prep. They know how to keep their hijinks private and in their circle and they crush anyone who dares violate that code.

It's entirely possible, that Mrs. Kavanaugh really didn't know who she was marrying. No doubt Brett was a charming and dashing beau who seemed to be going places. He kept his past behavior private - as did everyone him. I do feel sorry for her and for their daughters.

+1. She met him long after high school and college. She probably had no idea about this side of him.

Let’s drop the misogyny that lies in blaming the wife and saying she should have known. She shouldn’t be a part of it. He shouldn’t be dragging her in front of cameras. It’s a way of invoking the “how dare you hurt my lovely family” defense. Nor should people be saying she knew and deserves any pain. Kids and wives should be left out of attacks.

You should know that there are many women who would want to be beside their husband to support him, given these terrible unsubstantiated accusations. You don't know that she was forced to be there.

+ 1 Also, the posters here who have already decided he's guilty would have had a field day if his wife did not show up.

She shows up: He forced her to show up.
She doesn't: See....she doesn't believe her own husband.

The guy has been tried, found guilty, and sentenced by you people - and we haven't even heard his accuser speak.

He, and the GOP network defending him, keep stepping on rakes.