Who did you think killed JonBenet?

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Anonymous wrote:Also, if Santa guy snuck into their house to "visit" JonBenet, woke her up quietly and got her to eat a snack of pineapple...you think that he would be wearing a ski mask? Wouldn't a strange person in a ski mask freak a little kid out?

Bottom line is - the Ramseys said that JonBenet fell asleep in the car and that Patsy her to bed.

We know from the pineapple that JonBenet was awake at some point AFTER arriving home. This idea that a sex predator would set up a little tea party with a snack of pineapple for JonBenet is ridiculous.

JB was asleep in the car when John put her to bed. Then he sent Patsy to help her get ready for bed. This would have woken her up. After Patsy left the room she went upstairs to the third floor. Burke went downstairs because he wanted to play with a toy. His dad heard him and went to stay with him. Perhaps unbeknownst to the parents JB now in bed and wondering what she missed out on after falling asleep in the car went down stairs. She would have gone to kitchen first. Maybe she peeked to the next room and saw it was just her brother and dad playing with a toy. She knew she was supposed to be in bed so she grabbed a few pieces of pineapple from the bowl on the counter by just touching the pineapple not the bowl and then went back to bed. Burke could have gotten the pineapple out when he came down to play with the toy. He remembers playing with the toy but not eating the pineapple. He said in his interview with Dr. Phil he can't remember what he ate 20 years ago. I think he got the bowl out before he played with the toy. John came in after and did not know Burke had put the bowl on the counter. None of them knew that JB had snuck downstairs for a minute just to make sure she wasn't missing anything. Kids go to the refrigerator or cabinet all the time and get something to eat. I find my kids making toast downstairs after I think they are in bed. No big deal. I don't think Santa had a tea party with JB. Also when you put one kid to bed and the other one is still up the first kid often gets back up because the sibling is up. how many times do parents carry sleeping kids or babies from a car and put them to bed and they are back up? About 50% of the time in my house. I think the pineapple was a red herring. It was an ordinary bowl of pineapple that 2 kids helped themselves to before bed without the parents knowing. I think that red herring stumped the entire police force.

The pineapple is significant simply because the parents deny any knowledge of it at all. Patsy couldn't remember if she had bought it from the store. You wouldn't buy fresh cut pineapple from the store more than a week before you actually used it. Why on earth would she not remember at least buying the stuff and having it in her refrigerator?

If she was planning to use the pineapple on pancakes during Christmas breakfast - of course she would remember picking it up from the store. It's just the mundane little details like this that make the pineapple significant. She either did or didn't buy any that week - which is it? She's lying about the pineapple. Why?

If someone showed me some random item from my pantry bought within the past year I can about guarantee you that I would remember buying it and probably from which store and whether or not it was on sale when I bought it. I think that most of us can say they same thing.

I've had canned pineapple in my pantry for YEARS. Bought it when the kids were little and finally threw it away after it expired.

If someone showed you the pineapple would you say "Oh my. I don't know how that got there"? Or would you vaguely remember that you bought that back in 2006? Maybe I'm the only one who remembers this stuff?

You do sound either OCD or very cheap, low income.

Not low income although there was a time when I was pretty poor. Maybe that's why I remember these sorts of things? I'm not OCD about any of it, it's just something that I know. I have hundreds of books on my shelf - many I've read, some I haven't. If you ask me "Did this book come from your bookshelf" I could say with a pretty good degree of certainty whether it did or not.

Presumably, you run a household on a smaller scale than Patsy did.

Yes, MUCH smaller scale. That is true. But a woman cooking a special Christmas breakfast for her two kids and husband is going to go through the same sort of meal planning/prep as any other woman with 2 kids and a husband. Not sure why you think that it is sooo much more complicated for rich ladies.

When was this special Xmas breakfast supposed to take place? Not the 26th because they were leaving town, right?

Christmas morning. They ran out of time to use the fruit because their schedule was so busy that day.

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Anonymous wrote:The outfit and the makeup wouldn't matter as much as undergarments. If you had not changed from the day before, you'd have the same ones on and there is no lying about clean vs. worn undergarments. A creepy tidbit but for those of us who have worn the same thing twice, there's a difference.

Was it the A&E special or Dateline that had the friend of Patsy's that noted she had the same outfit on? She remembered that one tidbit because it was out of the norm. Also, the photos showed their bed as being made. Next question would be did they sleep in it at all? Or which parent made the bed that morning.

Burke mentioned it being dark out on Dr. Phil when his mom came in his room initially. Would it have been dark in Colorado in the December mornings -- Google says Patsy woke shortly before 6am. Let's say she brushed her teeth and used the restroom, put on her clothes that may be 6:30-6:45. Walks down the stairs, 6:50 sees the note. Searches Burke's room after running back to JB's 7am or so. Would it be dark?

The 911 call was made around 5:50am, yes it would have still been dark.

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Anonymous wrote:If Patsy was guilty, what would the significance of wearing the same outfit be? She was up all night staging the scene so she never changed? Seems to me that a killer would try to get out of the clothes they did the deed in. A midnight load of laundry would be more suspicious than rewearing clothes, would it not?

That was the theory of the police. Because she had the same sweater on she stayed up all night writing crazy ransom notes, and making a garotte and assaulting her daughter all because JB wet the bed or Burke went insane and clubbed his sister over the head.

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Anonymous wrote:You can about bet that Patsy Ramsy had a small department store worth of clothes to choose from in her closet. Why would she put on dirty clothes from the day before?

How do you know the clothes were dirty?
Also, I have TONS of clothes. My closet is huge 16 x 8. It's full of clothes. Unfortunately, I use only 10% of my closest due to weight gain. Patsy was heavy too. So, maybe she did wear a few items over and over, I do.

It didn't sound like Patsy was the type to wear an outfit twice. She worried about things like having matching outfits with JonBenet and even bought JonBenet a doll for Christmas that had matching clothes.

Think about the pageants and all the focus on fashion. Patsy was not the type to just roll out of bed with a full face of makeup and the clothes from the night before. I'm just not seeing her of all people doing that.

But if she was so vain, why was she overweight? Why didn't she exercise?
What did you read that made you think she wasn't the type to wear an outfit twice?
She was leaving early for vacation, grabbing that outfit was easy. She wasn't going to see the people that saw her wear that outfit the day before.

LOL, yes vain rich ladies never get fat?
As a person who struggles with my weight, I can totally see re-wearing a holiday party outfit. Maybe she put it on late on the day before and only wore it to the party. I have a closet FULL of clothes too, most of which I don't wear. And only a few of which I would consider Christmasy.

You wouldn't take your heavy makeup off? Or do you think she applied that when she woke up?

I frequently skip washing my make-up off before bed. I don't see why anyone thinks this -- or the fact that she was wearing the clothes from the night before -- is a smoking gun.

It's not.

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When Patsy woke up the first thing she heard was John turning the water on in his bathroom. Patsy had her own bathroom but remembered the shower was still broken so decided just to throw the clothes on and put her makeup on. She was rushing.

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I really can't decide who did it.

The Boulder PD sure F'd it up. One they said an intruder couldn't fit through the open window. Never tested it (initially), just ruled it out on a whim. John Ramsey admitted to breaking the window six months earlier, and then climbing into the house. Years later another investigator proved that an adult could easily get into the house from the open window.

The thing I do find interesting is that her tomb stone reads December 25th. The Ramsey's knew she was alive as late as 10pm on the night of the 25th. Why wouldn't they list the 26th as the date of her death? Hopefully that will be explained in Dr. Phil's part three-- scheduled for next Monday I believe.

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Anonymous wrote:Also, if Santa guy snuck into their house to "visit" JonBenet, woke her up quietly and got her to eat a snack of pineapple...you think that he would be wearing a ski mask? Wouldn't a strange person in a ski mask freak a little kid out?

Bottom line is - the Ramseys said that JonBenet fell asleep in the car and that Patsy her to bed.

We know from the pineapple that JonBenet was awake at some point AFTER arriving home. This idea that a sex predator would set up a little tea party with a snack of pineapple for JonBenet is ridiculous.

JB was asleep in the car when John put her to bed. Then he sent Patsy to help her get ready for bed. This would have woken her up. After Patsy left the room she went upstairs to the third floor. Burke went downstairs because he wanted to play with a toy. His dad heard him and went to stay with him. Perhaps unbeknownst to the parents JB now in bed and wondering what she missed out on after falling asleep in the car went down stairs. She would have gone to kitchen first. Maybe she peeked to the next room and saw it was just her brother and dad playing with a toy. She knew she was supposed to be in bed so she grabbed a few pieces of pineapple from the bowl on the counter by just touching the pineapple not the bowl and then went back to bed. Burke could have gotten the pineapple out when he came down to play with the toy. He remembers playing with the toy but not eating the pineapple. He said in his interview with Dr. Phil he can't remember what he ate 20 years ago. I think he got the bowl out before he played with the toy. John came in after and did not know Burke had put the bowl on the counter. None of them knew that JB had snuck downstairs for a minute just to make sure she wasn't missing anything. Kids go to the refrigerator or cabinet all the time and get something to eat. I find my kids making toast downstairs after I think they are in bed. No big deal. I don't think Santa had a tea party with JB. Also when you put one kid to bed and the other one is still up the first kid often gets back up because the sibling is up. how many times do parents carry sleeping kids or babies from a car and put them to bed and they are back up? About 50% of the time in my house. I think the pineapple was a red herring. It was an ordinary bowl of pineapple that 2 kids helped themselves to before bed without the parents knowing. I think that red herring stumped the entire police force.

The pineapple is significant simply because the parents deny any knowledge of it at all. Patsy couldn't remember if she had bought it from the store. You wouldn't buy fresh cut pineapple from the store more than a week before you actually used it. Why on earth would she not remember at least buying the stuff and having it in her refrigerator?

If she was planning to use the pineapple on pancakes during Christmas breakfast - of course she would remember picking it up from the store. It's just the mundane little details like this that make the pineapple significant. She either did or didn't buy any that week - which is it? She's lying about the pineapple. Why?

If someone showed me some random item from my pantry bought within the past year I can about guarantee you that I would remember buying it and probably from which store and whether or not it was on sale when I bought it. I think that most of us can say they same thing.

I've had canned pineapple in my pantry for YEARS. Bought it when the kids were little and finally threw it away after it expired.

If someone showed you the pineapple would you say "Oh my. I don't know how that got there"? Or would you vaguely remember that you bought that back in 2006? Maybe I'm the only one who remembers this stuff?

You do sound either OCD or very cheap, low income.

Not low income although there was a time when I was pretty poor. Maybe that's why I remember these sorts of things? I'm not OCD about any of it, it's just something that I know. I have hundreds of books on my shelf - many I've read, some I haven't. If you ask me "Did this book come from your bookshelf" I could say with a pretty good degree of certainty whether it did or not.

Presumably, you run a household on a smaller scale than Patsy did.

Yes, MUCH smaller scale. That is true. But a woman cooking a special Christmas breakfast for her two kids and husband is going to go through the same sort of meal planning/prep as any other woman with 2 kids and a husband. Not sure why you think that it is sooo much more complicated for rich ladies.

It is different. I am wealthy, I grew up middle class. When I throw a party, I can easily spend $1500 -2000 on food plus more for drinks. I have three fridges. Things are chaotic and busy, I buy tons of food so I have enough with plenty of leftovers ( whether they rot or not while gone on vacation). My fridges are full, so full I can't fit anything else in and sometimes I can't even find what I need.
I wouldn't remember if I bought one inconsequential (at the time) item.

It's different when you have a 1200 sq foot home and are on a $300/ month grocery budget.

Oh, so your kids are little McPeople who like McFood and you never go out of your way to plan and fix them special meals? (I know you are not saying that. It's just that - yes, there is planning for a party. And there is planning for your family. They are different things.)

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Anonymous wrote:The outfit and the makeup wouldn't matter as much as undergarments. If you had not changed from the day before, you'd have the same ones on and there is no lying about clean vs. worn undergarments. A creepy tidbit but for those of us who have worn the same thing twice, there's a difference.

Was it the A&E special or Dateline that had the friend of Patsy's that noted she had the same outfit on? She remembered that one tidbit because it was out of the norm. Also, the photos showed their bed as being made. Next question would be did they sleep in it at all? Or which parent made the bed that morning.

Burke mentioned it being dark out on Dr. Phil when his mom came in his room initially. Would it have been dark in Colorado in the December mornings -- Google says Patsy woke shortly before 6am. Let's say she brushed her teeth and used the restroom, put on her clothes that may be 6:30-6:45. Walks down the stairs, 6:50 sees the note. Searches Burke's room after running back to JB's 7am or so. Would it be dark?

How do you know she hadn't changed underwear?

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The day before Christmas JB had been playing at her good friend's house. She told her friend's mother that Santa was going to make a special visit after Christmas. The mother told JB that "No, Santa comes on Christmas Eve. Tonight is Christmas Eve, and Santa comes this evening." JB repeated, " No, Santa told me that he is making a special visit to me after Christmas. And it's a secret." The mother called the police with this information but they ignored her. I find this very disturbing. Santa was the one that called Patsy to get her to have the party. Why so he could give his little secret message to JB? He sees JB on the 23rd. On the 24th JB is telling her secret but the mother had no idea at the time what this meant. She thought JB was confused. That was also the first time Santa brought his wife to the party. She just followed him around quietly pretending to be Mrs. Claus. It is like Santa planned this whole thing. I think he planned it a year in advance. He was probable becoming more obsessed with her after each Christmas. His wife told police they had planned their trip to Portugal in June. They conviently left days after the murder.

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Anonymous wrote:The outfit and the makeup wouldn't matter as much as undergarments. If you had not changed from the day before, you'd have the same ones on and there is no lying about clean vs. worn undergarments. A creepy tidbit but for those of us who have worn the same thing twice, there's a difference.

Was it the A&E special or Dateline that had the friend of Patsy's that noted she had the same outfit on? She remembered that one tidbit because it was out of the norm. Also, the photos showed their bed as being made. Next question would be did they sleep in it at all? Or which parent made the bed that morning.

Burke mentioned it being dark out on Dr. Phil when his mom came in his room initially. Would it have been dark in Colorado in the December mornings -- Google says Patsy woke shortly before 6am. Let's say she brushed her teeth and used the restroom, put on her clothes that may be 6:30-6:45. Walks down the stairs, 6:50 sees the note. Searches Burke's room after running back to JB's 7am or so. Would it be dark?

How do you know she hadn't changed underwear?

That's the question. Re-read what you quoted. The underwear would hold the key to if she never took it off versus if she put the outfit back on in the morning.

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The new CBS mini-series will reenact the actual rooms that may give some insight into just how far every bit of this evidence was from each other.

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Anonymous wrote:The day before Christmas JB had been playing at her good friend's house. She told her friend's mother that Santa was going to make a special visit after Christmas. The mother told JB that "No, Santa comes on Christmas Eve. Tonight is Christmas Eve, and Santa comes this evening." JB repeated, " No, Santa told me that he is making a special visit to me after Christmas. And it's a secret." The mother called the police with this information but they ignored her. I find this very disturbing. Santa was the one that called Patsy to get her to have the party. Why so he could give his little secret message to JB? He sees JB on the 23rd. On the 24th JB is telling her secret but the mother had no idea at the time what this meant. She thought JB was confused. That was also the first time Santa brought his wife to the party. She just followed him around quietly pretending to be Mrs. Claus. It is like Santa planned this whole thing. I think he planned it a year in advance. He was probable becoming more obsessed with her after each Christmas. His wife told police they had planned their trip to Portugal in June. They conviently left days after the murder.

I completely agree. Santa is by far the most suspicious figure in this story. I think his wife or someone else was there with him to help. Everyone says he couldn't do it given his heart surgery. If he had help, he could've. The whole TODAY show appearance shortly after is beyond bizarre. He just shows up in the outside audience on a whim? So strange. I think the couple planned to kidnap JB. It didn't work. This would explain why the intruder brought no weapons. They knew they had to kill her when the plan wasn't working, so used what was available in that basement and sexually assaulted her. No normally loving parent is going to use a torture substance like a garrote on their child. For staging or otherwise.

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Anonymous wrote:The outfit and the makeup wouldn't matter as much as undergarments. If you had not changed from the day before, you'd have the same ones on and there is no lying about clean vs. worn undergarments. A creepy tidbit but for those of us who have worn the same thing twice, there's a difference.

Was it the A&E special or Dateline that had the friend of Patsy's that noted she had the same outfit on? She remembered that one tidbit because it was out of the norm. Also, the photos showed their bed as being made. Next question would be did they sleep in it at all? Or which parent made the bed that morning.

Burke mentioned it being dark out on Dr. Phil when his mom came in his room initially. Would it have been dark in Colorado in the December mornings -- Google says Patsy woke shortly before 6am. Let's say she brushed her teeth and used the restroom, put on her clothes that may be 6:30-6:45. Walks down the stairs, 6:50 sees the note. Searches Burke's room after running back to JB's 7am or so. Would it be dark?

How do you know she hadn't changed underwear?

That's the question. Re-read what you quoted. The underwear would hold the key to if she never took it off versus if she put the outfit back on in the morning.

Still isn't evidence, and doesn't indicate murder. Sounds like something the loony Boulder PD would suggest.

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Anonymous wrote:Also, if Santa guy snuck into their house to "visit" JonBenet, woke her up quietly and got her to eat a snack of pineapple...you think that he would be wearing a ski mask? Wouldn't a strange person in a ski mask freak a little kid out?

Bottom line is - the Ramseys said that JonBenet fell asleep in the car and that Patsy her to bed.

We know from the pineapple that JonBenet was awake at some point AFTER arriving home. This idea that a sex predator would set up a little tea party with a snack of pineapple for JonBenet is ridiculous.

JB was asleep in the car when John put her to bed. Then he sent Patsy to help her get ready for bed. This would have woken her up. After Patsy left the room she went upstairs to the third floor. Burke went downstairs because he wanted to play with a toy. His dad heard him and went to stay with him. Perhaps unbeknownst to the parents JB now in bed and wondering what she missed out on after falling asleep in the car went down stairs. She would have gone to kitchen first. Maybe she peeked to the next room and saw it was just her brother and dad playing with a toy. She knew she was supposed to be in bed so she grabbed a few pieces of pineapple from the bowl on the counter by just touching the pineapple not the bowl and then went back to bed. Burke could have gotten the pineapple out when he came down to play with the toy. He remembers playing with the toy but not eating the pineapple. He said in his interview with Dr. Phil he can't remember what he ate 20 years ago. I think he got the bowl out before he played with the toy. John came in after and did not know Burke had put the bowl on the counter. None of them knew that JB had snuck downstairs for a minute just to make sure she wasn't missing anything. Kids go to the refrigerator or cabinet all the time and get something to eat. I find my kids making toast downstairs after I think they are in bed. No big deal. I don't think Santa had a tea party with JB. Also when you put one kid to bed and the other one is still up the first kid often gets back up because the sibling is up. how many times do parents carry sleeping kids or babies from a car and put them to bed and they are back up? About 50% of the time in my house. I think the pineapple was a red herring. It was an ordinary bowl of pineapple that 2 kids helped themselves to before bed without the parents knowing. I think that red herring stumped the entire police force.

The pineapple is significant simply because the parents deny any knowledge of it at all. Patsy couldn't remember if she had bought it from the store. You wouldn't buy fresh cut pineapple from the store more than a week before you actually used it. Why on earth would she not remember at least buying the stuff and having it in her refrigerator?

If she was planning to use the pineapple on pancakes during Christmas breakfast - of course she would remember picking it up from the store. It's just the mundane little details like this that make the pineapple significant. She either did or didn't buy any that week - which is it? She's lying about the pineapple. Why?

If someone showed me some random item from my pantry bought within the past year I can about guarantee you that I would remember buying it and probably from which store and whether or not it was on sale when I bought it. I think that most of us can say they same thing.

I've had canned pineapple in my pantry for YEARS. Bought it when the kids were little and finally threw it away after it expired.

If someone showed you the pineapple would you say "Oh my. I don't know how that got there"? Or would you vaguely remember that you bought that back in 2006? Maybe I'm the only one who remembers this stuff?

You do sound either OCD or very cheap, low income.

Not low income although there was a time when I was pretty poor. Maybe that's why I remember these sorts of things? I'm not OCD about any of it, it's just something that I know. I have hundreds of books on my shelf - many I've read, some I haven't. If you ask me "Did this book come from your bookshelf" I could say with a pretty good degree of certainty whether it did or not.

Presumably, you run a household on a smaller scale than Patsy did.

Yes, MUCH smaller scale. That is true. But a woman cooking a special Christmas breakfast for her two kids and husband is going to go through the same sort of meal planning/prep as any other woman with 2 kids and a husband. Not sure why you think that it is sooo much more complicated for rich ladies.

It is different. I am wealthy, I grew up middle class. When I throw a party, I can easily spend $1500 -2000 on food plus more for drinks. I have three fridges. Things are chaotic and busy, I buy tons of food so I have enough with plenty of leftovers ( whether they rot or not while gone on vacation). My fridges are full, so full I can't fit anything else in and sometimes I can't even find what I need.
I wouldn't remember if I bought one inconsequential (at the time) item.

It's different when you have a 1200 sq foot home and are on a $300/ month grocery budget.

Oh, so your kids are little McPeople who like McFood and you never go out of your way to plan and fix them special meals? (I know you are not saying that. It's just that - yes, there is planning for a party. And there is planning for your family. They are different things.)

I think the breakfast, you are blowing the significance out of proportion. There are several ingredients that can include a nice breakfast. Pancakes are not the be all end all.

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I bet Patsy could make a nice breakfast out of whatever she had in her fridge, she didn't need a special grocery trip and inventory.