Who did you think killed JonBenet?

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Anonymous wrote:I had chemotherapy and I have a lot of problems with short term memory now. I lost weight during chemo. But my oncologist told me each time I went in that many people gain weight during chemo for various reasons. She said that the steroids and anti nausea drugs keep people from throwing up. People often eat more comfort foods. Patsy was also probably thrown into menopause like I was by either chemo or surgery and then you can gain weight also. My oncologist said that some people lose weight and some people gain weight. I am not the person who originally brought up her weight, just thought I would add my own personal experience. I can see how Oatsy would not remember many things. Especially because she was so traumatized.

Thank you for these observations. I don't think that she was undergoing chemo at the time of JonBenet's death. She seemed to be a fairly organized person with a lot of balls in the air - all of the gifts that she bought for various relatives, neighbors, friends. Wrapping everything. The special doll she had made for JonBenet along with the coordinating outfits. The tour of her home. Her own Christmas party. And the upcoming travel plans...

Still, I would expect her to remember picking up the pineapple or at least saying "Oh, that's something that I probably picked up".

I think if she wasn't sure, she was smartest to say she didn't remember, the cops had it in for them.

The cops most certainly did not have it in for them. How often do you think an entire police force decides to randomly target innocent rich people?

Sure they did. That one female cop "just knew". Evidence, smevidence.

eh, she knew so much that she allowed John and his buddy to search the house unaccompanied looking for anything that might be out of place. She says one thing but did another...I don't much care for that.

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Anonymous wrote:I had chemotherapy and I have a lot of problems with short term memory now. I lost weight during chemo. But my oncologist told me each time I went in that many people gain weight during chemo for various reasons. She said that the steroids and anti nausea drugs keep people from throwing up. People often eat more comfort foods. Patsy was also probably thrown into menopause like I was by either chemo or surgery and then you can gain weight also. My oncologist said that some people lose weight and some people gain weight. I am not the person who originally brought up her weight, just thought I would add my own personal experience. I can see how Oatsy would not remember many things. Especially because she was so traumatized.

Thank you for these observations. I don't think that she was undergoing chemo at the time of JonBenet's death. She seemed to be a fairly organized person with a lot of balls in the air - all of the gifts that she bought for various relatives, neighbors, friends. Wrapping everything. The special doll she had made for JonBenet along with the coordinating outfits. The tour of her home. Her own Christmas party. And the upcoming travel plans...

Still, I would expect her to remember picking up the pineapple or at least saying "Oh, that's something that I probably picked up".

I think if she wasn't sure, she was smartest to say she didn't remember, the cops had it in for them.

The cops most certainly did not have it in for them. How often do you think an entire police force decides to randomly target innocent rich people?

Sure they did. That one female cop "just knew". Evidence, smevidence.

That's laughable. The cops tried to make an intruder theory work. Even at one point pretending it was that creepy pervert they flew in from Thailand. If they could make the intruder theory work, they would have.

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The cops were like a dog with a bone. They jumped on the idea it was the Ramseys and never let go. To them the Ramseys were alien. Boulder was a very small hippie city with an inexperienced police force. Also egos got in the way. Steve Thomas would never admit he was wrong. I know many people like that.

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Anonymous wrote:I had chemotherapy and I have a lot of problems with short term memory now. I lost weight during chemo. But my oncologist told me each time I went in that many people gain weight during chemo for various reasons. She said that the steroids and anti nausea drugs keep people from throwing up. People often eat more comfort foods. Patsy was also probably thrown into menopause like I was by either chemo or surgery and then you can gain weight also. My oncologist said that some people lose weight and some people gain weight. I am not the person who originally brought up her weight, just thought I would add my own personal experience. I can see how Oatsy would not remember many things. Especially because she was so traumatized.

Thank you for these observations. I don't think that she was undergoing chemo at the time of JonBenet's death. She seemed to be a fairly organized person with a lot of balls in the air - all of the gifts that she bought for various relatives, neighbors, friends. Wrapping everything. The special doll she had made for JonBenet along with the coordinating outfits. The tour of her home. Her own Christmas party. And the upcoming travel plans...

Still, I would expect her to remember picking up the pineapple or at least saying "Oh, that's something that I probably picked up".

I think if she wasn't sure, she was smartest to say she didn't remember, the cops had it in for them.

The cops most certainly did not have it in for them. How often do you think an entire police force decides to randomly target innocent rich people?

Sure they did. That one female cop "just knew". Evidence, smevidence.

That's laughable. The cops tried to make an intruder theory work. Even at one point pretending it was that creepy pervert they flew in from Thailand. If they could make the intruder theory work, they would have.

That was a different time and different people in charge.

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Anonymous wrote:Also, if Santa guy snuck into their house to "visit" JonBenet, woke her up quietly and got her to eat a snack of pineapple...you think that he would be wearing a ski mask? Wouldn't a strange person in a ski mask freak a little kid out?

Bottom line is - the Ramseys said that JonBenet fell asleep in the car and that Patsy her to bed.

We know from the pineapple that JonBenet was awake at some point AFTER arriving home. This idea that a sex predator would set up a little tea party with a snack of pineapple for JonBenet is ridiculous.

JB was asleep in the car when John put her to bed. Then he sent Patsy to help her get ready for bed. This would have woken her up. After Patsy left the room she went upstairs to the third floor. Burke went downstairs because he wanted to play with a toy. His dad heard him and went to stay with him. Perhaps unbeknownst to the parents JB now in bed and wondering what she missed out on after falling asleep in the car went down stairs. She would have gone to kitchen first. Maybe she peeked to the next room and saw it was just her brother and dad playing with a toy. She knew she was supposed to be in bed so she grabbed a few pieces of pineapple from the bowl on the counter by just touching the pineapple not the bowl and then went back to bed. Burke could have gotten the pineapple out when he came down to play with the toy. He remembers playing with the toy but not eating the pineapple. He said in his interview with Dr. Phil he can't remember what he ate 20 years ago. I think he got the bowl out before he played with the toy. John came in after and did not know Burke had put the bowl on the counter. None of them knew that JB had snuck downstairs for a minute just to make sure she wasn't missing anything. Kids go to the refrigerator or cabinet all the time and get something to eat. I find my kids making toast downstairs after I think they are in bed. No big deal. I don't think Santa had a tea party with JB. Also when you put one kid to bed and the other one is still up the first kid often gets back up because the sibling is up. how many times do parents carry sleeping kids or babies from a car and put them to bed and they are back up? About 50% of the time in my house. I think the pineapple was a red herring. It was an ordinary bowl of pineapple that 2 kids helped themselves to before bed without the parents knowing. I think that red herring stumped the entire police force.

The pineapple is significant simply because the parents deny any knowledge of it at all. Patsy couldn't remember if she had bought it from the store. You wouldn't buy fresh cut pineapple from the store more than a week before you actually used it. Why on earth would she not remember at least buying the stuff and having it in her refrigerator?

If she was planning to use the pineapple on pancakes during Christmas breakfast - of course she would remember picking it up from the store. It's just the mundane little details like this that make the pineapple significant. She either did or didn't buy any that week - which is it? She's lying about the pineapple. Why?

If someone showed me some random item from my pantry bought within the past year I can about guarantee you that I would remember buying it and probably from which store and whether or not it was on sale when I bought it. I think that most of us can say they same thing.

I've had canned pineapple in my pantry for YEARS. Bought it when the kids were little and finally threw it away after it expired.

If someone showed you the pineapple would you say "Oh my. I don't know how that got there"? Or would you vaguely remember that you bought that back in 2006? Maybe I'm the only one who remembers this stuff?

You do sound either OCD or very cheap, low income.

Not low income although there was a time when I was pretty poor. Maybe that's why I remember these sorts of things? I'm not OCD about any of it, it's just something that I know. I have hundreds of books on my shelf - many I've read, some I haven't. If you ask me "Did this book come from your bookshelf" I could say with a pretty good degree of certainty whether it did or not.

Presumably, you run a household on a smaller scale than Patsy did.

Yes, MUCH smaller scale. That is true. But a woman cooking a special Christmas breakfast for her two kids and husband is going to go through the same sort of meal planning/prep as any other woman with 2 kids and a husband. Not sure why you think that it is sooo much more complicated for rich ladies.

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I did a google search about the pineapple and found this link:

http://jonbenetramsey.pbworks.com/w/page/11682517/The%20Pineapple%20Evidence

I found something disturbing in the link:

"Patsy Ramsey gave Oscar-quality performances during police interviews about the murder, if you believe forensic psychiatrist Dr. Steven E. Pitt, a former consultant for the Boulder police and DA's office who scrutinized the videotaped interviews. Pitt reveals that one particular exchange 'practically made me jump out of my seat. It's the part when Patsy denied any knowledge of how pineapple got into the child's digestive tract after the family arrived home from a party. She snarled that she had put the girl right to bed and had not served her any fruit. But there was a spoon and bowl of fresh pineapple in the breakfast nook and the bowl had Patsy's fingerprints on it. Academy awards have been given for lesser performances. She was a very attractive woman, almost seductive. She knew how to work it'"

WTH does her being attractive have to do with anything? Smacks to me of bias.

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Anonymous wrote:Also, if Santa guy snuck into their house to "visit" JonBenet, woke her up quietly and got her to eat a snack of pineapple...you think that he would be wearing a ski mask? Wouldn't a strange person in a ski mask freak a little kid out?

Bottom line is - the Ramseys said that JonBenet fell asleep in the car and that Patsy her to bed.

We know from the pineapple that JonBenet was awake at some point AFTER arriving home. This idea that a sex predator would set up a little tea party with a snack of pineapple for JonBenet is ridiculous.

JB was asleep in the car when John put her to bed. Then he sent Patsy to help her get ready for bed. This would have woken her up. After Patsy left the room she went upstairs to the third floor. Burke went downstairs because he wanted to play with a toy. His dad heard him and went to stay with him. Perhaps unbeknownst to the parents JB now in bed and wondering what she missed out on after falling asleep in the car went down stairs. She would have gone to kitchen first. Maybe she peeked to the next room and saw it was just her brother and dad playing with a toy. She knew she was supposed to be in bed so she grabbed a few pieces of pineapple from the bowl on the counter by just touching the pineapple not the bowl and then went back to bed. Burke could have gotten the pineapple out when he came down to play with the toy. He remembers playing with the toy but not eating the pineapple. He said in his interview with Dr. Phil he can't remember what he ate 20 years ago. I think he got the bowl out before he played with the toy. John came in after and did not know Burke had put the bowl on the counter. None of them knew that JB had snuck downstairs for a minute just to make sure she wasn't missing anything. Kids go to the refrigerator or cabinet all the time and get something to eat. I find my kids making toast downstairs after I think they are in bed. No big deal. I don't think Santa had a tea party with JB. Also when you put one kid to bed and the other one is still up the first kid often gets back up because the sibling is up. how many times do parents carry sleeping kids or babies from a car and put them to bed and they are back up? About 50% of the time in my house. I think the pineapple was a red herring. It was an ordinary bowl of pineapple that 2 kids helped themselves to before bed without the parents knowing. I think that red herring stumped the entire police force.

The pineapple is significant simply because the parents deny any knowledge of it at all. Patsy couldn't remember if she had bought it from the store. You wouldn't buy fresh cut pineapple from the store more than a week before you actually used it. Why on earth would she not remember at least buying the stuff and having it in her refrigerator?

If she was planning to use the pineapple on pancakes during Christmas breakfast - of course she would remember picking it up from the store. It's just the mundane little details like this that make the pineapple significant. She either did or didn't buy any that week - which is it? She's lying about the pineapple. Why?

If someone showed me some random item from my pantry bought within the past year I can about guarantee you that I would remember buying it and probably from which store and whether or not it was on sale when I bought it. I think that most of us can say they same thing.

I've had canned pineapple in my pantry for YEARS. Bought it when the kids were little and finally threw it away after it expired.

If someone showed you the pineapple would you say "Oh my. I don't know how that got there"? Or would you vaguely remember that you bought that back in 2006? Maybe I'm the only one who remembers this stuff?

You do sound either OCD or very cheap, low income.

Not low income although there was a time when I was pretty poor. Maybe that's why I remember these sorts of things? I'm not OCD about any of it, it's just something that I know. I have hundreds of books on my shelf - many I've read, some I haven't. If you ask me "Did this book come from your bookshelf" I could say with a pretty good degree of certainty whether it did or not.

Presumably, you run a household on a smaller scale than Patsy did.

Yes, MUCH smaller scale. That is true. But a woman cooking a special Christmas breakfast for her two kids and husband is going to go through the same sort of meal planning/prep as any other woman with 2 kids and a husband. Not sure why you think that it is sooo much more complicated for rich ladies.

When was this special Xmas breakfast supposed to take place? Not the 26th because they were leaving town, right?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I did a google search about the pineapple and found this link:

http://jonbenetramsey.pbworks.com/w/page/11682517/The%20Pineapple%20Evidence

I found something disturbing in the link:

"Patsy Ramsey gave Oscar-quality performances during police interviews about the murder, if you believe forensic psychiatrist Dr. Steven E. Pitt, a former consultant for the Boulder police and DA's office who scrutinized the videotaped interviews. Pitt reveals that one particular exchange 'practically made me jump out of my seat. It's the part when Patsy denied any knowledge of how pineapple got into the child's digestive tract after the family arrived home from a party. She snarled that she had put the girl right to bed and had not served her any fruit. But there was a spoon and bowl of fresh pineapple in the breakfast nook and the bowl had Patsy's fingerprints on it. Academy awards have been given for lesser performances. She was a very attractive woman, almost seductive. She knew how to work it'"

WTH does her being attractive have to do with anything? Smacks to me of bias.

And "Oscar-quality performances"? Sensational.

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Anonymous wrote:Also, if Santa guy snuck into their house to "visit" JonBenet, woke her up quietly and got her to eat a snack of pineapple...you think that he would be wearing a ski mask? Wouldn't a strange person in a ski mask freak a little kid out?

Bottom line is - the Ramseys said that JonBenet fell asleep in the car and that Patsy her to bed.

We know from the pineapple that JonBenet was awake at some point AFTER arriving home. This idea that a sex predator would set up a little tea party with a snack of pineapple for JonBenet is ridiculous.

JB was asleep in the car when John put her to bed. Then he sent Patsy to help her get ready for bed. This would have woken her up. After Patsy left the room she went upstairs to the third floor. Burke went downstairs because he wanted to play with a toy. His dad heard him and went to stay with him. Perhaps unbeknownst to the parents JB now in bed and wondering what she missed out on after falling asleep in the car went down stairs. She would have gone to kitchen first. Maybe she peeked to the next room and saw it was just her brother and dad playing with a toy. She knew she was supposed to be in bed so she grabbed a few pieces of pineapple from the bowl on the counter by just touching the pineapple not the bowl and then went back to bed. Burke could have gotten the pineapple out when he came down to play with the toy. He remembers playing with the toy but not eating the pineapple. He said in his interview with Dr. Phil he can't remember what he ate 20 years ago. I think he got the bowl out before he played with the toy. John came in after and did not know Burke had put the bowl on the counter. None of them knew that JB had snuck downstairs for a minute just to make sure she wasn't missing anything. Kids go to the refrigerator or cabinet all the time and get something to eat. I find my kids making toast downstairs after I think they are in bed. No big deal. I don't think Santa had a tea party with JB. Also when you put one kid to bed and the other one is still up the first kid often gets back up because the sibling is up. how many times do parents carry sleeping kids or babies from a car and put them to bed and they are back up? About 50% of the time in my house. I think the pineapple was a red herring. It was an ordinary bowl of pineapple that 2 kids helped themselves to before bed without the parents knowing. I think that red herring stumped the entire police force.

The pineapple is significant simply because the parents deny any knowledge of it at all. Patsy couldn't remember if she had bought it from the store. You wouldn't buy fresh cut pineapple from the store more than a week before you actually used it. Why on earth would she not remember at least buying the stuff and having it in her refrigerator?

If she was planning to use the pineapple on pancakes during Christmas breakfast - of course she would remember picking it up from the store. It's just the mundane little details like this that make the pineapple significant. She either did or didn't buy any that week - which is it? She's lying about the pineapple. Why?

If someone showed me some random item from my pantry bought within the past year I can about guarantee you that I would remember buying it and probably from which store and whether or not it was on sale when I bought it. I think that most of us can say they same thing.

I've had canned pineapple in my pantry for YEARS. Bought it when the kids were little and finally threw it away after it expired.

If someone showed you the pineapple would you say "Oh my. I don't know how that got there"? Or would you vaguely remember that you bought that back in 2006? Maybe I'm the only one who remembers this stuff?

You do sound either OCD or very cheap, low income.

Not low income although there was a time when I was pretty poor. Maybe that's why I remember these sorts of things? I'm not OCD about any of it, it's just something that I know. I have hundreds of books on my shelf - many I've read, some I haven't. If you ask me "Did this book come from your bookshelf" I could say with a pretty good degree of certainty whether it did or not.

Presumably, you run a household on a smaller scale than Patsy did.

Yes, MUCH smaller scale. That is true. But a woman cooking a special Christmas breakfast for her two kids and husband is going to go through the same sort of meal planning/prep as any other woman with 2 kids and a husband. Not sure why you think that it is sooo much more complicated for rich ladies.

It is different. I am wealthy, I grew up middle class. When I throw a party, I can easily spend $1500 -2000 on food plus more for drinks. I have three fridges. Things are chaotic and busy, I buy tons of food so I have enough with plenty of leftovers ( whether they rot or not while gone on vacation). My fridges are full, so full I can't fit anything else in and sometimes I can't even find what I need.
I wouldn't remember if I bought one inconsequential (at the time) item.

It's different when you have a 1200 sq foot home and are on a $300/ month grocery budget.

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Anonymous wrote:I had chemotherapy and I have a lot of problems with short term memory now. I lost weight during chemo. But my oncologist told me each time I went in that many people gain weight during chemo for various reasons. She said that the steroids and anti nausea drugs keep people from throwing up. People often eat more comfort foods. Patsy was also probably thrown into menopause like I was by either chemo or surgery and then you can gain weight also. My oncologist said that some people lose weight and some people gain weight. I am not the person who originally brought up her weight, just thought I would add my own personal experience. I can see how Oatsy would not remember many things. Especially because she was so traumatized.

Thank you for these observations. I don't think that she was undergoing chemo at the time of JonBenet's death. She seemed to be a fairly organized person with a lot of balls in the air - all of the gifts that she bought for various relatives, neighbors, friends. Wrapping everything. The special doll she had made for JonBenet along with the coordinating outfits. The tour of her home. Her own Christmas party. And the upcoming travel plans...

Still, I would expect her to remember picking up the pineapple or at least saying "Oh, that's something that I probably picked up".

I think if she wasn't sure, she was smartest to say she didn't remember, the cops had it in for them.

The cops most certainly did not have it in for them. How often do you think an entire police force decides to randomly target innocent rich people?

Sure they did. That one female cop "just knew". Evidence, smevidence.

eh, she knew so much that she allowed John and his buddy to search the house unaccompanied looking for anything that might be out of place. She says one thing but did another...I don't much care for that.

Wasn't she back in Dateline defending herself and the police department. She still would not admit how much she messed up. It was easier for them to blame the Ramseys than to make up for their mistakes. They said they investigated Santa but cleared him because he had prior heart surgery the summer before, was home asleep in bed, he admitted to adult bookstores but denied kiddie porn, and the disguised writing on the note did not match his. They also said they found none of his hair at the crime scene. I found that odd because he had been at the Ramsey house two days prior in his Santa suit at the Christmas party. So they went back to Patsy and said it must be her because she wore the same sweater twice.

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If Patsy was guilty, what would the significance of wearing the same outfit be? She was up all night staging the scene so she never changed? Seems to me that a killer would try to get out of the clothes they did the deed in. A midnight load of laundry would be more suspicious than rewearing clothes, would it not?

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The outfit and the makeup wouldn't matter as much as undergarments. If you had not changed from the day before, you'd have the same ones on and there is no lying about clean vs. worn undergarments. A creepy tidbit but for those of us who have worn the same thing twice, there's a difference.

Was it the A&E special or Dateline that had the friend of Patsy's that noted she had the same outfit on? She remembered that one tidbit because it was out of the norm. Also, the photos showed their bed as being made. Next question would be did they sleep in it at all? Or which parent made the bed that morning.

Burke mentioned it being dark out on Dr. Phil when his mom came in his room initially. Would it have been dark in Colorado in the December mornings -- Google says Patsy woke shortly before 6am. Let's say she brushed her teeth and used the restroom, put on her clothes that may be 6:30-6:45. Walks down the stairs, 6:50 sees the note. Searches Burke's room after running back to JB's 7am or so. Would it be dark?

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All I read wa stat they had a pancake breakfast, I didn't see that it was made out to be this huge deal special breakfast.

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Anonymous wrote:The outfit and the makeup wouldn't matter as much as undergarments. If you had not changed from the day before, you'd have the same ones on and there is no lying about clean vs. worn undergarments. A creepy tidbit but for those of us who have worn the same thing twice, there's a difference.

Was it the A&E special or Dateline that had the friend of Patsy's that noted she had the same outfit on? She remembered that one tidbit because it was out of the norm. Also, the photos showed their bed as being made. Next question would be did they sleep in it at all? Or which parent made the bed that morning.

Burke mentioned it being dark out on Dr. Phil when his mom came in his room initially. Would it have been dark in Colorado in the December mornings -- Google says Patsy woke shortly before 6am. Let's say she brushed her teeth and used the restroom, put on her clothes that may be 6:30-6:45. Walks down the stairs, 6:50 sees the note. Searches Burke's room after running back to JB's 7am or so. Would it be dark?

Almost certainly it would be dark. You're talking about December 25, the winter solstice, the longest night of the year.

And I agree about the underwear, yes I'd change that too obvs. But did the cops check the hamper/do they know anything about the underwear....

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John said that Christmas morning while the kids played he and Patsy went into the kitchen to make breakfast. He made pancakes and she made bacon and hash browns.
Santa Bill called Patsy on the 20th and wanted her to have her annual Christmas party on the 23rd. She had them years prior but was not planning to this year. But Santa Bill persisted telling her that Charles Kurault was going to be in town filming 'On the Road' and filming him as Santa. He wanted to be filmed at the Ramsey house. Patsy said ok and thew together a last minute party with the help of her housekeeper and neighbors. Santa showed up but Charles Kurault did not. No one mentioned pineapple.