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Anonymous wrote:Scenario 3 was not developed with BRAC input. If you read the Region 4 BRAC notes it looks like they tried to pick off smaller sections to be rezoned out of WS do they can stay as is. Some of the neighbors they offered to sacrifice to preserve look per the map closer to WS. The numbers are unclear, but it looks like they were trying to cobble together every small change they could--actually effecting more neighborhoods--they making a larger, logical change like moving Daventry back to Lewis??


The Sangster split feeder is a no brainer.

Sangster parents have bedn asking for at least a drcade or more to eliminate the split feeder and send the entire school to Lake Braddock.

This resistance is very new and is as if they are just getting caught up in the anti rezoning sentiment

If FCPS had decided to eliminate the Sangster split feeder before this 8130 BRAC mess, the families would have been thrilled.



Sorry, calling absolute BS on this. The West Orange Hunt neighborhood that walks to Sangster is super connected to West Springfield. Those families 100% bought their homes because they are part of West Springfield. They are physically closer to West Springfield and Irving, and would have the longest increased commute times in region 4 if moved. Sangster was built for the West Springfield community...far before South Run and other neighborhoods were developed. If you don't live there I suggest you stick with talking points for your own neighborhood.


Lake Braddock is closer to them than Irving.

Sansgter does all their stuff with Lake Braddock (like the pyramid events) not WSHS.

All the community activities such as little league, soccer, scouts, theater, dance and churches are a combination of Lake Braddock and WSHS families. There is SOOOO much overlap socially between Lake Braddock and Sangster.

I had a kid at Sangster, and it blows my mind that out of the blue the families in that Sangster neighborhood are acting like Lake Braddock is some far off location with no connection to the Sangster community. Until this year, most of those families would have been thrilled to get sent to the same high school as 80-90% of their classmates.


You should get your facts straight. They aren't saying they don't want to be part of the Sangster community. I know more 'walker' parents who volunteer at Sangster then any other neighborhood. But they are literally part of the West Springfield community. There is also sooo much overlap with Sangster families at WS--not just LB. The school is literally IN West Springfield. Families in the 'walker' neighborhoods have always wanted to keep their kids with the WS community. Again, if you don't live there you can politely keep your not accurate talking points to yourself.


WSHS is overcrowded. We can argue about why. I think they need to do a full residency check at the HS. But LBSS isn’t full. And moving kids who are walking distance to Sangster so the whole neighborhood overt there makes the most sense.
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Anonymous wrote:Scenario 3 was not developed with BRAC input. If you read the Region 4 BRAC notes it looks like they tried to pick off smaller sections to be rezoned out of WS do they can stay as is. Some of the neighbors they offered to sacrifice to preserve look per the map closer to WS. The numbers are unclear, but it looks like they were trying to cobble together every small change they could--actually effecting more neighborhoods--they making a larger, logical change like moving Daventry back to Lewis??


The Sangster split feeder is a no brainer.

Sangster parents have bedn asking for at least a drcade or more to eliminate the split feeder and send the entire school to Lake Braddock.

This resistance is very new and is as if they are just getting caught up in the anti rezoning sentiment

If FCPS had decided to eliminate the Sangster split feeder before this 8130 BRAC mess, the families would have been thrilled.



Sorry, calling absolute BS on this. The West Orange Hunt neighborhood that walks to Sangster is super connected to West Springfield. Those families 100% bought their homes because they are part of West Springfield. They are physically closer to West Springfield and Irving, and would have the longest increased commute times in region 4 if moved. Sangster was built for the West Springfield community...far before South Run and other neighborhoods were developed. If you don't live there I suggest you stick with talking points for your own neighborhood.


Lake Braddock is closer to them than Irving.

Sansgter does all their stuff with Lake Braddock (like the pyramid events) not WSHS.

All the community activities such as little league, soccer, scouts, theater, dance and churches are a combination of Lake Braddock and WSHS families. There is SOOOO much overlap socially between Lake Braddock and Sangster.

I had a kid at Sangster, and it blows my mind that out of the blue the families in that Sangster neighborhood are acting like Lake Braddock is some far off location with no connection to the Sangster community. Until this year, most of those families would have been thrilled to get sent to the same high school as 80-90% of their classmates.


You should get your facts straight. They aren't saying they don't want to be part of the Sangster community. I know more 'walker' parents who volunteer at Sangster then any other neighborhood. But they are literally part of the West Springfield community. There is also sooo much overlap with Sangster families at WS--not just LB. The school is literally IN West Springfield. Families in the 'walker' neighborhoods have always wanted to keep their kids with the WS community. Again, if you don't live there you can politely keep your not accurate talking points to yourself.


+1 to this. At any time of day, the route to Lake Braddock takes us past WSHS. During to traffic patterns. I also don’t know why people would be up in arms about the opinion to not want to move middle/high schools. If you don’t live in the “Walker” pocket of sangster, you wouldn’t understand neighborhood connectivity. Let each neighborhood advocate for what they want.
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Anonymous wrote:Scenario 3 was not developed with BRAC input. If you read the Region 4 BRAC notes it looks like they tried to pick off smaller sections to be rezoned out of WS do they can stay as is. Some of the neighbors they offered to sacrifice to preserve look per the map closer to WS. The numbers are unclear, but it looks like they were trying to cobble together every small change they could--actually effecting more neighborhoods--they making a larger, logical change like moving Daventry back to Lewis??


The Sangster split feeder is a no brainer.

Sangster parents have bedn asking for at least a drcade or more to eliminate the split feeder and send the entire school to Lake Braddock.

This resistance is very new and is as if they are just getting caught up in the anti rezoning sentiment

If FCPS had decided to eliminate the Sangster split feeder before this 8130 BRAC mess, the families would have been thrilled.


Sorry, calling absolute BS on this. The West Orange Hunt neighborhood that walks to Sangster is super connected to West Springfield. Those families 100% bought their homes because they are part of West Springfield. They are physically closer to West Springfield and Irving, and would have the longest increased commute times in region 4 if moved. Sangster was built for the West Springfield community...far before South Run and other neighborhoods were developed. If you don't live there I suggest you stick with talking points for your own neighborhood.


Lake Braddock is closer to them than Irving.

Sansgter does all their stuff with Lake Braddock (like the pyramid events) not WSHS.

All the community activities such as little league, soccer, scouts, theater, dance and churches are a combination of Lake Braddock and WSHS families. There is SOOOO much overlap socially between Lake Braddock and Sangster.

I had a kid at Sangster, and it blows my mind that out of the blue the families in that Sangster neighborhood are acting like Lake Braddock is some far off location with no connection to the Sangster community. Until this year, most of those families would have been thrilled to get sent to the same high school as 80-90% of their classmates.


Many, many Lake Braddock/Sangster families are flabbergasted, and actually insulted, about that neighborhood being so up in arms over potential rezoning to Lake Braddock. It make no sense whatsoever.


West Springfield is a better school and not a secondary...so I'm not sure why LB families are 'flaggergasted'
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Anonymous wrote:We are part of the Sangster split feeder and we absolutely want to stay WS. And the majority of our small neighborhood does too. I understand eliminating split feeders is what some schools want. But our neighbors are all very pro staying with what we have and are extremely disappointed in the change. So I am not sure who the PP is talking to who has been wanting the split gone for “a decade”


You’re walking distance to Sangster. You can say you feel more emotionally connected to WSHS all you want but physically, you’re closer to Sangster. At least LBSS is as good if not better than WSHS. Daventry and other neighborhoods could be looking at going to Lewis. You’re really not in a good place to argue this one.


All of this.

The Lake Braddock school busses from Sangster go through that neighborhood.

Half of the neighborhood walkable to Sangster along Retriever, Sloop, etc go to Lake Braddock.

Lake Braddock busses stop in your Sangster neighborhood along Gamelord, Reservation and Huntsman to pick up all the 7th and 8th grade AAP students heading to Sangster.

The Sangster community is already robustly entertwined with Lake Braddock, and LB/WSHS communities overlap everywhere.

It is not like these kids are getting ripped from their communities and sent to a school where they have no connections. Lake Braddock is as much if not more a part of their community as Irving and WSHS.

The Sangster families off Groveland getting sent to SoCo, and the Silverbrook families getting sent from SoCo to Lake Braddock are being ripped from their communities.

But not any school getting sent from WSHS to LB, and espdcially not the Sangster neighborhood.

LBSS and WSHS are a community together.

Sangster is already part of the LB community
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Anonymous wrote:Scenario 3 was not developed with BRAC input. If you read the Region 4 BRAC notes it looks like they tried to pick off smaller sections to be rezoned out of WS do they can stay as is. Some of the neighbors they offered to sacrifice to preserve look per the map closer to WS. The numbers are unclear, but it looks like they were trying to cobble together every small change they could--actually effecting more neighborhoods--they making a larger, logical change like moving Daventry back to Lewis??


The Sangster split feeder is a no brainer.

Sangster parents have bedn asking for at least a drcade or more to eliminate the split feeder and send the entire school to Lake Braddock.

This resistance is very new and is as if they are just getting caught up in the anti rezoning sentiment

If FCPS had decided to eliminate the Sangster split feeder before this 8130 BRAC mess, the families would have been thrilled.


Sorry, calling absolute BS on this. The West Orange Hunt neighborhood that walks to Sangster is super connected to West Springfield. Those families 100% bought their homes because they are part of West Springfield. They are physically closer to West Springfield and Irving, and would have the longest increased commute times in region 4 if moved. Sangster was built for the West Springfield community...far before South Run and other neighborhoods were developed. If you don't live there I suggest you stick with talking points for your own neighborhood.


Lake Braddock is closer to them than Irving.

Sansgter does all their stuff with Lake Braddock (like the pyramid events) not WSHS.

All the community activities such as little league, soccer, scouts, theater, dance and churches are a combination of Lake Braddock and WSHS families. There is SOOOO much overlap socially between Lake Braddock and Sangster.

I had a kid at Sangster, and it blows my mind that out of the blue the families in that Sangster neighborhood are acting like Lake Braddock is some far off location with no connection to the Sangster community. Until this year, most of those families would have been thrilled to get sent to the same high school as 80-90% of their classmates.


Many, many Lake Braddock/Sangster families are flabbergasted, and actually insulted, about that neighborhood being so up in arms over potential rezoning to Lake Braddock. It make no sense whatsoever.


West Springfield is a better school and not a secondary...so I'm not sure why LB families are 'flaggergasted'


It isn’t. LBSS is better in any given year on test scores than WSHS. Not by much but arguing WSHS is so much better doesn’t pass the smell test.
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Anonymous wrote:I don't live in region 4, so it doesn't effect me...but I heard that BOTH the West Springfield BRAC members are Hunt Valley parents and they did everything the could to keep Hunt Valley at West Springfield. I'm not saying the BRAC members aren't trying their best, but that's a huge bias.


Most of the volunteers from Region 4 were from Hunt Valley.

There is nothing nefarious about the selection for Region 4.

I wouldn’t call it nefarious, but based on the limited number of seats available, they could have done a better job making sure more areas were represented. WSHS wasn’t the only pyramid where both reps were zoned to the same elementary school.


How many other parents volunteered?

The list was randomly selected, and the selection videotaped.

If I recall correctly, most of the volunteers for committee selection were Hunt Valley parents.

Every parent had the opportunity to volunteer for community selection. Most parents from most of the schools in that pyramid did not volunteer. The HV parents overwhelmingly volunteered
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Anonymous wrote:We are part of the Sangster split feeder and we absolutely want to stay WS. And the majority of our small neighborhood does too. I understand eliminating split feeders is what some schools want. But our neighbors are all very pro staying with what we have and are extremely disappointed in the change. So I am not sure who the PP is talking to who has been wanting the split gone for “a decade”


The kids already at Irving and WSHS will stay at WSHS.

The elementary kids will just stay with all their friends and continue on to Lake Braddock with the rest of Sangster.

It should be very painless and seamless
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Anonymous wrote:We are part of the Sangster split feeder and we absolutely want to stay WS. And the majority of our small neighborhood does too. I understand eliminating split feeders is what some schools want. But our neighbors are all very pro staying with what we have and are extremely disappointed in the change. So I am not sure who the PP is talking to who has been wanting the split gone for “a decade”


You’re walking distance to Sangster. You can say you feel more emotionally connected to WSHS all you want but physically, you’re closer to Sangster. At least LBSS is as good if not better than WSHS. Daventry and other neighborhoods could be looking at going to Lewis. You’re really not in a good place to argue this one.


All of this.

The Lake Braddock school busses from Sangster go through that neighborhood.

Half of the neighborhood walkable to Sangster along Retriever, Sloop, etc go to Lake Braddock.

Lake Braddock busses stop in your Sangster neighborhood along Gamelord, Reservation and Huntsman to pick up all the 7th and 8th grade AAP students heading to Sangster.

The Sangster community is already robustly entertwined with Lake Braddock, and LB/WSHS communities overlap everywhere.

It is not like these kids are getting ripped from their communities and sent to a school where they have no connections. Lake Braddock is as much if not more a part of their community as Irving and WSHS.

The Sangster families off Groveland getting sent to SoCo, and the Silverbrook families getting sent from SoCo to Lake Braddock are being ripped from their communities.

But not any school getting sent from WSHS to LB, and espdcially not the Sangster neighborhood.

LBSS and WSHS are a community together.

Sangster is already part of the LB community


I guess I’m not understanding why some people think they understand what’s best or wanted by kids and families in neighborhoods where the posters don’t live. It doesn’t have to be “whataboutism” of neighborhoods vs neighborhoods. Also, many aap kids no longer utilize LBSS as their aap center. They choose Irving.
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Anonymous wrote:Scenario 3 was not developed with BRAC input. If you read the Region 4 BRAC notes it looks like they tried to pick off smaller sections to be rezoned out of WS do they can stay as is. Some of the neighbors they offered to sacrifice to preserve look per the map closer to WS. The numbers are unclear, but it looks like they were trying to cobble together every small change they could--actually effecting more neighborhoods--they making a larger, logical change like moving Daventry back to Lewis??


The Sangster split feeder is a no brainer.

Sangster parents have bedn asking for at least a drcade or more to eliminate the split feeder and send the entire school to Lake Braddock.

This resistance is very new and is as if they are just getting caught up in the anti rezoning sentiment

If FCPS had decided to eliminate the Sangster split feeder before this 8130 BRAC mess, the families would have been thrilled.


Sorry, calling absolute BS on this. The West Orange Hunt neighborhood that walks to Sangster is super connected to West Springfield. Those families 100% bought their homes because they are part of West Springfield. They are physically closer to West Springfield and Irving, and would have the longest increased commute times in region 4 if moved. Sangster was built for the West Springfield community...far before South Run and other neighborhoods were developed. If you don't live there I suggest you stick with talking points for your own neighborhood.


Lake Braddock is closer to them than Irving.

Sansgter does all their stuff with Lake Braddock (like the pyramid events) not WSHS.

All the community activities such as little league, soccer, scouts, theater, dance and churches are a combination of Lake Braddock and WSHS families. There is SOOOO much overlap socially between Lake Braddock and Sangster.

I had a kid at Sangster, and it blows my mind that out of the blue the families in that Sangster neighborhood are acting like Lake Braddock is some far off location with no connection to the Sangster community. Until this year, most of those families would have been thrilled to get sent to the same high school as 80-90% of their classmates.


Many, many Lake Braddock/Sangster families are flabbergasted, and actually insulted, about that neighborhood being so up in arms over potential rezoning to Lake Braddock. It make no sense whatsoever.


West Springfield is a better school and not a secondary...so I'm not sure why LB families are 'flaggergasted'


It isn’t. LBSS is better in any given year on test scores than WSHS. Not by much but arguing WSHS is so much better doesn’t pass the smell test.


https://www.usnews.com/education/best-high-schools/virginia Jealous much?
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Anonymous wrote:We are part of the Sangster split feeder and we absolutely want to stay WS. And the majority of our small neighborhood does too. I understand eliminating split feeders is what some schools want. But our neighbors are all very pro staying with what we have and are extremely disappointed in the change. So I am not sure who the PP is talking to who has been wanting the split gone for “a decade”


The kids already at Irving and WSHS will stay at WSHS.

The elementary kids will just stay with all their friends and continue on to Lake Braddock with the rest of Sangster.

It should be very painless and seamless

Incorrect. The 7-8th graders have to leave Irving and go to LBSS for HS. They are not being treated like one 7-12 cohort.
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Anonymous wrote:We are part of the Sangster split feeder and we absolutely want to stay WS. And the majority of our small neighborhood does too. I understand eliminating split feeders is what some schools want. But our neighbors are all very pro staying with what we have and are extremely disappointed in the change. So I am not sure who the PP is talking to who has been wanting the split gone for “a decade”


You’re walking distance to Sangster. You can say you feel more emotionally connected to WSHS all you want but physically, you’re closer to Sangster. At least LBSS is as good if not better than WSHS. Daventry and other neighborhoods could be looking at going to Lewis. You’re really not in a good place to argue this one.


Duh, they are walkers. Of course they are closer to Sangster. They are also closer to Irving and West Springfield
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Anonymous wrote:I don't live in region 4, so it doesn't effect me...but I heard that BOTH the West Springfield BRAC members are Hunt Valley parents and they did everything the could to keep Hunt Valley at West Springfield. I'm not saying the BRAC members aren't trying their best, but that's a huge bias.


Most of the volunteers from Region 4 were from Hunt Valley.

There is nothing nefarious about the selection for Region 4.

I wouldn’t call it nefarious, but based on the limited number of seats available, they could have done a better job making sure more areas were represented. WSHS wasn’t the only pyramid where both reps were zoned to the same elementary school.


How many other parents volunteered?

The list was randomly selected, and the selection videotaped.

If I recall correctly, most of the volunteers for committee selection were Hunt Valley parents.

Every parent had the opportunity to volunteer for community selection. Most parents from most of the schools in that pyramid did not volunteer. The HV parents overwhelmingly volunteered


They are the wealthiest and presumably have more SAHP and can take time off for the meetings. As a teacher, I was worried I would be too exhausted to make my 25 Kindergarteners the next morning after staying at meetings and I didn’t want to take sub days. I didn’t know if the meetings were in the evening or during the day. The only info on the survey was “it was a big time commitment”. We need my salary and so I didn’t put my name in. Perhaps there were others who need to work and have to put that first.
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Anonymous wrote:We are part of the Sangster split feeder and we absolutely want to stay WS. And the majority of our small neighborhood does too. I understand eliminating split feeders is what some schools want. But our neighbors are all very pro staying with what we have and are extremely disappointed in the change. So I am not sure who the PP is talking to who has been wanting the split gone for “a decade”


You’re walking distance to Sangster. You can say you feel more emotionally connected to WSHS all you want but physically, you’re closer to Sangster. At least LBSS is as good if not better than WSHS. Daventry and other neighborhoods could be looking at going to Lewis. You’re really not in a good place to argue this one.


All of this.

The Lake Braddock school busses from Sangster go through that neighborhood.

Half of the neighborhood walkable to Sangster along Retriever, Sloop, etc go to Lake Braddock.

Lake Braddock busses stop in your Sangster neighborhood along Gamelord, Reservation and Huntsman to pick up all the 7th and 8th grade AAP students heading to Sangster.

The Sangster community is already robustly entertwined with Lake Braddock, and LB/WSHS communities overlap everywhere.

It is not like these kids are getting ripped from their communities and sent to a school where they have no connections. Lake Braddock is as much if not more a part of their community as Irving and WSHS.

The Sangster families off Groveland getting sent to SoCo, and the Silverbrook families getting sent from SoCo to Lake Braddock are being ripped from their communities.

But not any school getting sent from WSHS to LB, and espdcially not the Sangster neighborhood.

LBSS and WSHS are a community together.

Sangster is already part of the LB community


I guess I’m not understanding why some people think they understand what’s best or wanted by kids and families in neighborhoods where the posters don’t live. It doesn’t have to be “whataboutism” of neighborhoods vs neighborhoods. Also, many aap kids no longer utilize LBSS as their aap center. They choose Irving.


DP. No dog in this fight, but I'd bet if you surveyed younger families with kids at Sangster most would favor closing the split and moving to LBSS. It's the families with older kids already at Irving and WSHS who tend to be more invested in maintaining the current school assignments - at least in situations where the schools are as comparable in reputation and ranking at LBSS and WSHS. I saw someone posted a link to the latest US News rankings, but the differences in those rankings are typically based on small differences in SOL scores, AP participation rates, and graduation rates.
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Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:I don't live in region 4, so it doesn't effect me...but I heard that BOTH the West Springfield BRAC members are Hunt Valley parents and they did everything the could to keep Hunt Valley at West Springfield. I'm not saying the BRAC members aren't trying their best, but that's a huge bias.


Most of the volunteers from Region 4 were from Hunt Valley.

There is nothing nefarious about the selection for Region 4.

I wouldn’t call it nefarious, but based on the limited number of seats available, they could have done a better job making sure more areas were represented. WSHS wasn’t the only pyramid where both reps were zoned to the same elementary school.


How many other parents volunteered?

The list was randomly selected, and the selection videotaped.



If I recall correctly, most of the volunteers for committee selection were Hunt Valley parents.

Every parent had the opportunity to volunteer for community selection. Most parents from most of the schools in that pyramid did not volunteer. The HV parents overwhelmingly volunteered


I have no idea what the facts are on the number, but I honestly say a ton of folks in our neighborhood also volunteered to be on BRAC and didn't get it. It would have been nice if they tried to chose reps who were not in the same elementary schools.
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Anonymous wrote:We are part of the Sangster split feeder and we absolutely want to stay WS. And the majority of our small neighborhood does too. I understand eliminating split feeders is what some schools want. But our neighbors are all very pro staying with what we have and are extremely disappointed in the change. So I am not sure who the PP is talking to who has been wanting the split gone for “a decade”


You’re walking distance to Sangster. You can say you feel more emotionally connected to WSHS all you want but physically, you’re closer to Sangster. At least LBSS is as good if not better than WSHS. Daventry and other neighborhoods could be looking at going to Lewis. You’re really not in a good place to argue this one.


All of this.

The Lake Braddock school busses from Sangster go through that neighborhood.

Half of the neighborhood walkable to Sangster along Retriever, Sloop, etc go to Lake Braddock.

Lake Braddock busses stop in your Sangster neighborhood along Gamelord, Reservation and Huntsman to pick up all the 7th and 8th grade AAP students heading to Sangster.

The Sangster community is already robustly entertwined with Lake Braddock, and LB/WSHS communities overlap everywhere.

It is not like these kids are getting ripped from their communities and sent to a school where they have no connections. Lake Braddock is as much if not more a part of their community as Irving and WSHS.

The Sangster families off Groveland getting sent to SoCo, and the Silverbrook families getting sent from SoCo to Lake Braddock are being ripped from their communities.

But not any school getting sent from WSHS to LB, and espdcially not the Sangster neighborhood.

LBSS and WSHS are a community together.

Sangster is already part of the LB community


I guess I’m not understanding why some people think they understand what’s best or wanted by kids and families in neighborhoods where the posters don’t live. It doesn’t have to be “whataboutism” of neighborhoods vs neighborhoods. Also, many aap kids no longer utilize LBSS as their aap center. They choose Irving.


DP. No dog in this fight, but I'd bet if you surveyed younger families with kids at Sangster most would favor closing the split and moving to LBSS. It's the families with older kids already at Irving and WSHS who tend to be more invested in maintaining the current school assignments - at least in situations where the schools are as comparable in reputation and ranking at LBSS and WSHS. I saw someone posted a link to the latest US News rankings, but the differences in those rankings are typically based on small differences in SOL scores, AP participation rates, and graduation rates.


False. The neighborhood has held meetings with BRAC reps, board members, etc. Many, many of the parents at those meetings who are the firmest in wanting to stay at WS are families with young kids. They bought to be at Irving/WS.
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