SCOTUS outlaws race as college admissions factor

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Anonymous wrote:getting rid of affirmative action is not going to stop white people from thinking people of color are taking their spots. As a black person, I got a 168 on my LSAT. had a 3.8 GPA, worked 4 campus jobs, worked an internship EVERY summer and I still got shady comments from white students how they would be screwed compared to me because they were not minority. As if my qualifications were less. some of the folks saying this didn't even crack 160 or have a 3.5 GPA and barely did 1 internship.

In law school I was in top 8% of my class. but folks swore I was at the bottom taking job offers from y'all. 14 years into my career I'm a partner at a big law firm. Y'all would assume it is only for diversity reasons and overlook all the cases I won, big business I brought in and top billing. It's funny how folks use to clutch their pearls in disbelief that I was in the top 3 producing associates 7 consecutive years. Like it wasn't possible for a black person to do this. no matter what the merits are, white people love to ASSUME that no one else could ever possibly achieve more than them. So even without AA folks will still find a way to complain about people of color taking their jobs or getting into top universities.

I can identify with your story. 20 years ago, I interned for a federal agency in D.C. At the end of the internship, each intern had to present their project to the senior leadership, management and other analyst in the division--about 200 people. I put a lot of thought and prep work into my presentation--as I did throughout my internship. On a Monday morning I was chatting with a colleague (new analyst) that sat in the cubicle across from me. She was a white woman and always pleasant to me. We had our normal "what did you do this weekend" conversation at 8am. I told her I spent the weekend in the office preparing for my presentation and was nervous etc. She said "you'll do fine. besides, it doesn't matter. the federal government needs minorities anyway. you've got the right skin color. so you can fail the presentation. you'll still get a job offer." What a horrible thing to say. She completely ignored my work ethic and the great job I was doing. and it was in that moment that I realized it doesn't matter how hard I work. everyone will assume my success is because of affirmative action. And it was also at that moment I had to learn to let it go because that's heavy mental crap to carry forward. So like the other poster said--I now don't care what people think. anyone who cares can read my stats and know you can't get that by just having a dark skin tone.

That was what Clarence Thomas has been saying in his decisions for years, that affirmative action itself gives a stigma to minorities.

Yet that stigma existed before affirmative action was ever put into place. We have some of our forefathers (hello Thomas Jefferson) on record (his own writings) saying that blacks could not be as intelligent as whites. Dark skin people were never even given an opportunity before affirmative action because it was widely believed they didn’t have the intellectual capacity. History has documented this. This is not made up.

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Anonymous wrote:I have read this whole thread and still have not seen a single argument for raced based admissions. Just vague statements about I institutional racism. I still don't understand what the color of my skin should affect my life story, what I've had to overcome, or what privilege I've had. Someone actually spell it out please. Again, we are not talking socioeconomic status, only color of skin. Explain to me why Obama's daughters should get preference for the color of their skin vs poor white coal minor's daughter.

what you fail to see is that affirmative action and diversity considerations ALSO help the "poor white coal minor's daughter." I was an admission counselor. I wasn't in coal region. but farming is similar. the poor white kids from the farming communities that were border line admits got preference points coming from "low income community" in our admission model. We admitted far more poor white folks from rural USA than inner city urban kids. Diversity considerations go beyond just skin. These decisions erode all considerations and screw not just the incur city dark people that y'all hate, but your friendly, but poor farmer or coal miner kid.

No other group benefitted from AA more than white women. I don't see anyone here complaining about gender discrimination.

SO TRUE! another fact folks like to ignore.

+100. Is the supreme court going to try to undermine women’s progress next in relation to college admission and employment?

Women do better and get better grades now in school, so if there is to be sex based affirmative action, it would be for the boys.

Not every woman does. Just in the same way a minority could be the most qualified on merit alone. Stop the bs people.

Yes I agree. Which is why merit alone admissions is the way to go, however Harvard chooses to define merit.

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Anonymous wrote:getting rid of affirmative action is not going to stop white people from thinking people of color are taking their spots. As a black person, I got a 168 on my LSAT. had a 3.8 GPA, worked 4 campus jobs, worked an internship EVERY summer and I still got shady comments from white students how they would be screwed compared to me because they were not minority. As if my qualifications were less. some of the folks saying this didn't even crack 160 or have a 3.5 GPA and barely did 1 internship.

In law school I was in top 8% of my class. but folks swore I was at the bottom taking job offers from y'all. 14 years into my career I'm a partner at a big law firm. Y'all would assume it is only for diversity reasons and overlook all the cases I won, big business I brought in and top billing. It's funny how folks use to clutch their pearls in disbelief that I was in the top 3 producing associates 7 consecutive years. Like it wasn't possible for a black person to do this. no matter what the merits are, white people love to ASSUME that no one else could ever possibly achieve more than them. So even without AA folks will still find a way to complain about people of color taking their jobs or getting into top universities.

I can identify with your story. 20 years ago, I interned for a federal agency in D.C. At the end of the internship, each intern had to present their project to the senior leadership, management and other analyst in the division--about 200 people. I put a lot of thought and prep work into my presentation--as I did throughout my internship. On a Monday morning I was chatting with a colleague (new analyst) that sat in the cubicle across from me. She was a white woman and always pleasant to me. We had our normal "what did you do this weekend" conversation at 8am. I told her I spent the weekend in the office preparing for my presentation and was nervous etc. She said "you'll do fine. besides, it doesn't matter. the federal government needs minorities anyway. you've got the right skin color. so you can fail the presentation. you'll still get a job offer." What a horrible thing to say. She completely ignored my work ethic and the great job I was doing. and it was in that moment that I realized it doesn't matter how hard I work. everyone will assume my success is because of affirmative action. And it was also at that moment I had to learn to let it go because that's heavy mental crap to carry forward. So like the other poster said--I now don't care what people think. anyone who cares can read my stats and know you can't get that by just having a dark skin tone.

That was what Clarence Thomas has been saying in his decisions for years, that affirmative action itself gives a stigma to minorities.

Yet that stigma existed before affirmative action was ever put into place. We have some of our forefathers (hello Thomas Jefferson) on record (his own writings) saying that blacks could not be as intelligent as whites. Dark skin people were never even given an opportunity before affirmative action because it was widely believed they didn’t have the intellectual capacity. History has documented this. This is not made up.

Thomas Jefferson was wrong and if he were alive today, he'd be the first to admit to that. Exposure often times will eradicate ignorance.

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The GOP has finally found a weapon to defeat the DEI monster that has been creeping into every corporate office. All these "special departments" will now be under scrutiny and every mediocre white man now has an incentive to file a discrimination lawsuit. Uno reverse and white men are back in business. #get$$$

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Anonymous wrote:getting rid of affirmative action is not going to stop white people from thinking people of color are taking their spots. As a black person, I got a 168 on my LSAT. had a 3.8 GPA, worked 4 campus jobs, worked an internship EVERY summer and I still got shady comments from white students how they would be screwed compared to me because they were not minority. As if my qualifications were less. some of the folks saying this didn't even crack 160 or have a 3.5 GPA and barely did 1 internship.

In law school I was in top 8% of my class. but folks swore I was at the bottom taking job offers from y'all. 14 years into my career I'm a partner at a big law firm. Y'all would assume it is only for diversity reasons and overlook all the cases I won, big business I brought in and top billing. It's funny how folks use to clutch their pearls in disbelief that I was in the top 3 producing associates 7 consecutive years. Like it wasn't possible for a black person to do this. no matter what the merits are, white people love to ASSUME that no one else could ever possibly achieve more than them. So even without AA folks will still find a way to complain about people of color taking their jobs or getting into top universities.

I can identify with your story. 20 years ago, I interned for a federal agency in D.C. At the end of the internship, each intern had to present their project to the senior leadership, management and other analyst in the division--about 200 people. I put a lot of thought and prep work into my presentation--as I did throughout my internship. On a Monday morning I was chatting with a colleague (new analyst) that sat in the cubicle across from me. She was a white woman and always pleasant to me. We had our normal "what did you do this weekend" conversation at 8am. I told her I spent the weekend in the office preparing for my presentation and was nervous etc. She said "you'll do fine. besides, it doesn't matter. the federal government needs minorities anyway. you've got the right skin color. so you can fail the presentation. you'll still get a job offer." What a horrible thing to say. She completely ignored my work ethic and the great job I was doing. and it was in that moment that I realized it doesn't matter how hard I work. everyone will assume my success is because of affirmative action. And it was also at that moment I had to learn to let it go because that's heavy mental crap to carry forward. So like the other poster said--I now don't care what people think. anyone who cares can read my stats and know you can't get that by just having a dark skin tone.

That was what Clarence Thomas has been saying in his decisions for years, that affirmative action itself gives a stigma to minorities.

Yet that stigma existed before affirmative action was ever put into place. We have some of our forefathers (hello Thomas Jefferson) on record (his own writings) saying that blacks could not be as intelligent as whites. Dark skin people were never even given an opportunity before affirmative action because it was widely believed they didn’t have the intellectual capacity. History has documented this. This is not made up.

Thomas Jefferson was wrong and if he were alive today, he'd be the first to admit to that. Exposure often times will eradicate ignorance.

Some people choose to be ignorant because it suits their narrative - how else was he going to justify holding and bedding slaves?

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Why don't you look to see who is leading top US tech firms like NVIDIA, AMD, Microsoft, and Adobe?

I told you how they took over the tech in the US. Once one Indian has a foot in the door, they will bring onboard their friends and cousins and then they only hire Indians, then they promote each other to top positions.

This is how it happened in Silicon Valley. Ask anyone who works there. They know.

Oh for crying out loud. Don't act like white people don't do this. Have you ever heard of the good old boys club? Look at most government contracting companies in the DMV and tell me the white male holding a C-level position didn't bring in their friends for other C-level or leadership positions. I.see.it.all.the.time.

You see, the truth is they don't see it when it's white people doing this. But if a racial group they don't belong to suddenly does it, OMG the world is ending! Though in all seriousness, no one should be doing this.

White people’s nepotism and cronyism is why we need civil rights laws and affirmative action goals in the first place. Universities are more meritorious than any other institutions in the country, because they take the time and effort to assess each individual applicant. Unlike the Supreme Court, which makes decisions according to “who is for, who is against, and which side funds me.”

Great, then do it in a way that doesn't discriminate against Asians like Harvard was doing. You want to do it by income? Go for it. But what Harvard was doing is unacceptable.

I still don't understand...Asians were not under-represented as compared to the general population at Harvard, so how are "they" being discriminated against? If Asians make up 12% of the population and have roughly 12% of the seats, then what is the complaint? I mean, Harvard turns away 98% of their applicants, and it is possible that the number of Asian rejections is higher because there may be more Asian applicants, but I still feel like this was not the right decision.

The Asian community won’t be happy until 100% of Asians who apply are accepted into Harvard. They feel they deserve it when other kids do not. They are arguing that their kids are always superior to others. Anyone else admitted who isn’t Asian is not as bright and only there due to AA or legacy. It’s been well explain on this thread.

Are you even listening to yourself and not embarrassed by what you're saying? The Asian community is NOT a monolith. I repeat. We are not all tiger moms and we're not all rich nor are we all great in math. My kids don't have straight As. They play sports, not chess. We wouldn't even think of applying to Harvard. We'd be happy if they get into UMCP. What the hell is wrong with you? What we don't want however, is for people to discriminate against my kids and make it more difficult for them to get into schools more than non-Asian kids because of some stereotype or racial bias that you hold against us. Got it? Is that too much to ask?

You say that Asian students are not a monolith but you assume every Asian student was discrinated against because they were rejected by Harvard? Make it make sense.

PP is not saying they were discriminated against. And, pp is not saying ALL Asian students are discriminated against.
The reason the law was changed was because the Supreme Court found that Asian students were discriminated against. Based on the evidence presented to the court. And, they were. Just as they are at other schools. And, not only universities.

Oh please. The SC wanted to get rid of affirmative action and put a target on the backs of Asian kids. Why is it that most Asian students at Harvard did not agree with this case, nor did any of the Asian civil rights groups. They knew that Asians were being used.

+1. South Asian here. Expect to see the right-wing now turn against the Asians and claim that they make universities "too competitive". One only needs to look at the Real Estate Forum and see how people are uncomfortable with the growing Indian communities in eastern Loudoun County.

This is exactly what's going to happen. A few Asians decided to be used by the right wing and then will be discarded by the right wing. They got what they wanted and used Asians to get it. They only cared about getting rid of affirmative action. They would have used anyone to do it. The SC could care less about Asian students.

Will the left wing go after their votes by not discriminating against Asians? Republicans in the Senate had an amendment to deny funds to colleges that discriminate against Asians. Every Democrat voted no.

But eventually if there are too many of one minority group, others won’t want to go there, especially rich, powerfully-connected whites.

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Anonymous wrote:getting rid of affirmative action is not going to stop white people from thinking people of color are taking their spots. As a black person, I got a 168 on my LSAT. had a 3.8 GPA, worked 4 campus jobs, worked an internship EVERY summer and I still got shady comments from white students how they would be screwed compared to me because they were not minority. As if my qualifications were less. some of the folks saying this didn't even crack 160 or have a 3.5 GPA and barely did 1 internship.

In law school I was in top 8% of my class. but folks swore I was at the bottom taking job offers from y'all. 14 years into my career I'm a partner at a big law firm. Y'all would assume it is only for diversity reasons and overlook all the cases I won, big business I brought in and top billing. It's funny how folks use to clutch their pearls in disbelief that I was in the top 3 producing associates 7 consecutive years. Like it wasn't possible for a black person to do this. no matter what the merits are, white people love to ASSUME that no one else could ever possibly achieve more than them. So even without AA folks will still find a way to complain about people of color taking their jobs or getting into top universities.

I can identify with your story. 20 years ago, I interned for a federal agency in D.C. At the end of the internship, each intern had to present their project to the senior leadership, management and other analyst in the division--about 200 people. I put a lot of thought and prep work into my presentation--as I did throughout my internship. On a Monday morning I was chatting with a colleague (new analyst) that sat in the cubicle across from me. She was a white woman and always pleasant to me. We had our normal "what did you do this weekend" conversation at 8am. I told her I spent the weekend in the office preparing for my presentation and was nervous etc. She said "you'll do fine. besides, it doesn't matter. the federal government needs minorities anyway. you've got the right skin color. so you can fail the presentation. you'll still get a job offer." What a horrible thing to say. She completely ignored my work ethic and the great job I was doing. and it was in that moment that I realized it doesn't matter how hard I work. everyone will assume my success is because of affirmative action. And it was also at that moment I had to learn to let it go because that's heavy mental crap to carry forward. So like the other poster said--I now don't care what people think. anyone who cares can read my stats and know you can't get that by just having a dark skin tone.

That was what Clarence Thomas has been saying in his decisions for years, that affirmative action itself gives a stigma to minorities.

Yet that stigma existed before affirmative action was ever put into place. We have some of our forefathers (hello Thomas Jefferson) on record (his own writings) saying that blacks could not be as intelligent as whites. Dark skin people were never even given an opportunity before affirmative action because it was widely believed they didn’t have the intellectual capacity. History has documented this. This is not made up.

Thomas Jefferson was wrong and if he were alive today, he'd be the first to admit to that. Exposure often times will eradicate ignorance.

Some people choose to be ignorant because it suits their narrative - how else was he going to justify holding and bedding slaves?

The African and European slave traders did all they could to dehumanize their soon to be enslaved captives in an effort to make the idea of purchasing human slaves more palatable to those that could afford to purchase them. This in turn made it much easier for ignorant colonial Americans to believe these black skinned sub-humans were somehow less evolved from a cerebral standpoint. You and I would have felt the same way if in the same shoes. It's all sickening and wrong but that's world history.

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Anonymous wrote:getting rid of affirmative action is not going to stop white people from thinking people of color are taking their spots. As a black person, I got a 168 on my LSAT. had a 3.8 GPA, worked 4 campus jobs, worked an internship EVERY summer and I still got shady comments from white students how they would be screwed compared to me because they were not minority. As if my qualifications were less. some of the folks saying this didn't even crack 160 or have a 3.5 GPA and barely did 1 internship.

In law school I was in top 8% of my class. but folks swore I was at the bottom taking job offers from y'all. 14 years into my career I'm a partner at a big law firm. Y'all would assume it is only for diversity reasons and overlook all the cases I won, big business I brought in and top billing. It's funny how folks use to clutch their pearls in disbelief that I was in the top 3 producing associates 7 consecutive years. Like it wasn't possible for a black person to do this. no matter what the merits are, white people love to ASSUME that no one else could ever possibly achieve more than them. So even without AA folks will still find a way to complain about people of color taking their jobs or getting into top universities.

I can identify with your story. 20 years ago, I interned for a federal agency in D.C. At the end of the internship, each intern had to present their project to the senior leadership, management and other analyst in the division--about 200 people. I put a lot of thought and prep work into my presentation--as I did throughout my internship. On a Monday morning I was chatting with a colleague (new analyst) that sat in the cubicle across from me. She was a white woman and always pleasant to me. We had our normal "what did you do this weekend" conversation at 8am. I told her I spent the weekend in the office preparing for my presentation and was nervous etc. She said "you'll do fine. besides, it doesn't matter. the federal government needs minorities anyway. you've got the right skin color. so you can fail the presentation. you'll still get a job offer." What a horrible thing to say. She completely ignored my work ethic and the great job I was doing. and it was in that moment that I realized it doesn't matter how hard I work. everyone will assume my success is because of affirmative action. And it was also at that moment I had to learn to let it go because that's heavy mental crap to carry forward. So like the other poster said--I now don't care what people think. anyone who cares can read my stats and know you can't get that by just having a dark skin tone.

That was what Clarence Thomas has been saying in his decisions for years, that affirmative action itself gives a stigma to minorities.

Yet that stigma existed before affirmative action was ever put into place. We have some of our forefathers (hello Thomas Jefferson) on record (his own writings) saying that blacks could not be as intelligent as whites. Dark skin people were never even given an opportunity before affirmative action because it was widely believed they didn’t have the intellectual capacity. History has documented this. This is not made up.

Thomas Jefferson was wrong and if he were alive today, he'd be the first to admit to that. Exposure often times will eradicate ignorance.

A whole lot of people were and continue to be wrong. And here we are.

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Anonymous wrote:getting rid of affirmative action is not going to stop white people from thinking people of color are taking their spots. As a black person, I got a 168 on my LSAT. had a 3.8 GPA, worked 4 campus jobs, worked an internship EVERY summer and I still got shady comments from white students how they would be screwed compared to me because they were not minority. As if my qualifications were less. some of the folks saying this didn't even crack 160 or have a 3.5 GPA and barely did 1 internship.

In law school I was in top 8% of my class. but folks swore I was at the bottom taking job offers from y'all. 14 years into my career I'm a partner at a big law firm. Y'all would assume it is only for diversity reasons and overlook all the cases I won, big business I brought in and top billing. It's funny how folks use to clutch their pearls in disbelief that I was in the top 3 producing associates 7 consecutive years. Like it wasn't possible for a black person to do this. no matter what the merits are, white people love to ASSUME that no one else could ever possibly achieve more than them. So even without AA folks will still find a way to complain about people of color taking their jobs or getting into top universities.

I can identify with your story. 20 years ago, I interned for a federal agency in D.C. At the end of the internship, each intern had to present their project to the senior leadership, management and other analyst in the division--about 200 people. I put a lot of thought and prep work into my presentation--as I did throughout my internship. On a Monday morning I was chatting with a colleague (new analyst) that sat in the cubicle across from me. She was a white woman and always pleasant to me. We had our normal "what did you do this weekend" conversation at 8am. I told her I spent the weekend in the office preparing for my presentation and was nervous etc. She said "you'll do fine. besides, it doesn't matter. the federal government needs minorities anyway. you've got the right skin color. so you can fail the presentation. you'll still get a job offer." What a horrible thing to say. She completely ignored my work ethic and the great job I was doing. and it was in that moment that I realized it doesn't matter how hard I work. everyone will assume my success is because of affirmative action. And it was also at that moment I had to learn to let it go because that's heavy mental crap to carry forward. So like the other poster said--I now don't care what people think. anyone who cares can read my stats and know you can't get that by just having a dark skin tone.

That was what Clarence Thomas has been saying in his decisions for years, that affirmative action itself gives a stigma to minorities.

Yet that stigma existed before affirmative action was ever put into place. We have some of our forefathers (hello Thomas Jefferson) on record (his own writings) saying that blacks could not be as intelligent as whites. Dark skin people were never even given an opportunity before affirmative action because it was widely believed they didn’t have the intellectual capacity. History has documented this. This is not made up.

Thomas Jefferson was wrong and if he were alive today, he'd be the first to admit to that. Exposure often times will eradicate ignorance.

Some people choose to be ignorant because it suits their narrative - how else was he going to justify holding and bedding slaves?

The African and European slave traders did all they could to dehumanize their soon to be enslaved captives in an effort to make the idea of purchasing human slaves more palatable to those that could afford to purchase them. This in turn made it much easier for ignorant colonial Americans to believe these black skinned sub-humans were somehow less evolved from a cerebral standpoint. You and I would have felt the same way if in the same shoes. It's all sickening and wrong but that's world history.

No, that's not how it goes. Slavery was already a part of Europe's history long before the trans Atlantic slave trade begun. Europeans were quite familiar with human chattel and certainly did not rely on your premise to justify slavery in the Americas. A slave was a slave - they didn't need to view them as sub-human to sell or buy humans.

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Anonymous wrote:The GOP has finally found a weapon to defeat the DEI monster that has been creeping into every corporate office. All these "special departments" will now be under scrutiny and every mediocre white man now has an incentive to file a discrimination lawsuit. Uno reverse and white men are back in business. #get$$$

It’s always ok to say these things about white people. You guys show so much hate and toxicity here.

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Anonymous wrote:The GOP has finally found a weapon to defeat the DEI monster that has been creeping into every corporate office. All these "special departments" will now be under scrutiny and every mediocre white man now has an incentive to file a discrimination lawsuit. Uno reverse and white men are back in business. #get$$$

It’s always ok to say these things about white people. You guys show so much hate and toxicity here.

You must be clairvoyant to be able to detect skin color on an anonymous board.

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Anonymous wrote:getting rid of affirmative action is not going to stop white people from thinking people of color are taking their spots. As a black person, I got a 168 on my LSAT. had a 3.8 GPA, worked 4 campus jobs, worked an internship EVERY summer and I still got shady comments from white students how they would be screwed compared to me because they were not minority. As if my qualifications were less. some of the folks saying this didn't even crack 160 or have a 3.5 GPA and barely did 1 internship.

In law school I was in top 8% of my class. but folks swore I was at the bottom taking job offers from y'all. 14 years into my career I'm a partner at a big law firm. Y'all would assume it is only for diversity reasons and overlook all the cases I won, big business I brought in and top billing. It's funny how folks use to clutch their pearls in disbelief that I was in the top 3 producing associates 7 consecutive years. Like it wasn't possible for a black person to do this. no matter what the merits are, white people love to ASSUME that no one else could ever possibly achieve more than them. So even without AA folks will still find a way to complain about people of color taking their jobs or getting into top universities.

I can identify with your story. 20 years ago, I interned for a federal agency in D.C. At the end of the internship, each intern had to present their project to the senior leadership, management and other analyst in the division--about 200 people. I put a lot of thought and prep work into my presentation--as I did throughout my internship. On a Monday morning I was chatting with a colleague (new analyst) that sat in the cubicle across from me. She was a white woman and always pleasant to me. We had our normal "what did you do this weekend" conversation at 8am. I told her I spent the weekend in the office preparing for my presentation and was nervous etc. She said "you'll do fine. besides, it doesn't matter. the federal government needs minorities anyway. you've got the right skin color. so you can fail the presentation. you'll still get a job offer." What a horrible thing to say. She completely ignored my work ethic and the great job I was doing. and it was in that moment that I realized it doesn't matter how hard I work. everyone will assume my success is because of affirmative action. And it was also at that moment I had to learn to let it go because that's heavy mental crap to carry forward. So like the other poster said--I now don't care what people think. anyone who cares can read my stats and know you can't get that by just having a dark skin tone.

That was what Clarence Thomas has been saying in his decisions for years, that affirmative action itself gives a stigma to minorities.

Yet that stigma existed before affirmative action was ever put into place. We have some of our forefathers (hello Thomas Jefferson) on record (his own writings) saying that blacks could not be as intelligent as whites. Dark skin people were never even given an opportunity before affirmative action because it was widely believed they didn’t have the intellectual capacity. History has documented this. This is not made up.

Thomas Jefferson was wrong and if he were alive today, he'd be the first to admit to that. Exposure often times will eradicate ignorance.

Some people choose to be ignorant because it suits their narrative - how else was he going to justify holding and bedding slaves?

The African and European slave traders did all they could to dehumanize their soon to be enslaved captives in an effort to make the idea of purchasing human slaves more palatable to those that could afford to purchase them. This in turn made it much easier for ignorant colonial Americans to believe these black skinned sub-humans were somehow less evolved from a cerebral standpoint. You and I would have felt the same way if in the same shoes. It's all sickening and wrong but that's world history.

No, that's not how it goes. Slavery was already a part of Europe's history long before the trans Atlantic slave trade begun. Europeans were quite familiar with human chattel and certainly did not rely on your premise to justify slavery in the Americas. A slave was a slave - they didn't need to view them as sub-human to sell or buy humans.

Not how it goes now thankfully but that's how it went then. World history is a tough read for those with weak stomachs.

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Anonymous wrote:The GOP has finally found a weapon to defeat the DEI monster that has been creeping into every corporate office. All these "special departments" will now be under scrutiny and every mediocre white man now has an incentive to file a discrimination lawsuit. Uno reverse and white men are back in business. #get$$$

It’s always ok to say these things about white people. You guys show so much hate and toxicity here.

Mediocrity comes in all colors - white people don't have an exclusive hold on it but you can believe that if you want. This whole thread has been about how AA gave undeserving minorites a leg up and here you are finding fault with the above statement. Only black and brown people are allowed to be subpar because it suits your narrative?

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Anonymous wrote:The GOP has finally found a weapon to defeat the DEI monster that has been creeping into every corporate office. All these "special departments" will now be under scrutiny and every mediocre white man now has an incentive to file a discrimination lawsuit. Uno reverse and white men are back in business. #get$$$

It’s always ok to say these things about white people. You guys show so much hate and toxicity here.

You must be clairvoyant to be able to detect skin color on an anonymous board.

Right! Because I’m white and I’m saying these things because THIS is what I see and hear every day. Of course it’s not all white people. But it’s funny how offended we get when we often categorize minorities to be the same and not expect them to be offended.

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Anonymous wrote:I have read this whole thread and still have not seen a single argument for raced based admissions. Just vague statements about I institutional racism. I still don't understand what the color of my skin should affect my life story, what I've had to overcome, or what privilege I've had. Someone actually spell it out please. Again, we are not talking socioeconomic status, only color of skin. Explain to me why Obama's daughters should get preference for the color of their skin vs poor white coal minor's daughter.

what you fail to see is that affirmative action and diversity considerations ALSO help the "poor white coal minor's daughter." I was an admission counselor. I wasn't in coal region. but farming is similar. the poor white kids from the farming communities that were border line admits got preference points coming from "low income community" in our admission model. We admitted far more poor white folks from rural USA than inner city urban kids. Diversity considerations go beyond just skin. These decisions erode all considerations and screw not just the incur city dark people that y'all hate, but your friendly, but poor farmer or coal miner kid.

No other group benefitted from AA more than white women. I don't see anyone here complaining about gender discrimination.

SO TRUE! another fact folks like to ignore.

+100. Is the supreme court going to try to undermine women’s progress next in relation to college admission and employment?

Women do better and get better grades now in school, so if there is to be sex based affirmative action, it would be for the boys.

Not every woman does. Just in the same way a minority could be the most qualified on merit alone. Stop the bs people.

Yes I agree. Which is why merit alone admissions is the way to go, however Harvard chooses to define merit.

History has shown that privilege will protect itself no matter who is has what merit. You’re on the side of the pointy white hats and dragons here.