Race in college admissions is back in front of the Supreme Court Oral Argument on Oct. 31 (Monday)

[Anonymous]

I think that the focus on race is outdated, if anything it should be that kids who come from less means; rural poverty, inner city low income situations get a bump in admissions if they have stats that would otherwise put them in the bottom 25 percent of typical admits. That is what will bring real diversity to campuses. A poor white kid from appalachia who worked their butt off in school brings more diversity of life experience than a black kid who went to GDS, vacations on Martha's Vineyard and is full pay.
Racial diversity was very much needed 20 years ago on college campuses but now they need to focus on economic diversity. The colleges will continue to admit a variety of racial groups because there are thousands "URM" who will still get in without their race being considered. They have the merits.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I think that the focus on race is outdated, if anything it should be that kids who come from less means; rural poverty, inner city low income situations get a bump in admissions if they have stats that would otherwise put them in the bottom 25 percent of typical admits. That is what will bring real diversity to campuses. A poor white kid from appalachia who worked their butt off in school brings more diversity of life experience than a black kid who went to GDS, vacations on Martha's Vineyard and is full pay.
Racial diversity was very much needed 20 years ago on college campuses but now they need to focus on economic diversity. The colleges will continue to admit a variety of racial groups because there are thousands "URM" who will still get in without their race being considered. They have the merits.

+1 agree

-Asian American

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Anonymous wrote:wow this is crazy, you can be the 4th lowest decile aa and still be way above asians. crazy no wonder asians feel discriminated

Standardized tests are culturally biased and we're originally implemented by a racist.

If the index was normalized for tests, this alleged disparity ( SFFA is the source of this massaged data) would be much lower.

Anyways, the SAT / ACT impact will continue to diminish over time.

What are Asians and Whites in common but so much different for Blacks? culturally

What biase are we talking about?

What?

DP.. apparently, SATs are culturally bias, hence Black people score lower on SATs. But since Asian Americans score higher on SATs that must mean that they have more in common with white people.

That's the argument. And yes, it's laughable and ignorant.

Then what is your reason for AA people scoring lower?

Go ahead, say it out loud. I dare you. You know you think it. Have some courage and show everyone what you really think.

And that, right there, ladies and gents, is why colleges have the current policy.

not PP, but my guess is that they care less about education and put less effort.
Culturally they may value more in succeeding in the areas such as sports or entertainment industry like being a rapper or singer which are all ok. Nothing is wrong with that.

However if you want to improve on the education area, you have to go to the source of the problema and support and aid them to care more and put more effort in education instead of forcing it to increase the numbers artificially.

You actually did say it out loud! I am shocked! There it is, folks... your open racism of the day. Hope it is the last one you hear today, but unfortunately we are likely to get more.

PP you disgust me. You are repulsive. And also an imbecile. "Educate them more, but don't let them into the best colleges!" Lol.

Why are you mad??

The reason is simple on the surface, you care less and put less effort = lower score.
You care more and put more effort = higher score.

It's most likely a cultural thing. Asians probably care more about education and put more effort.

Seriously, what else could be the reason?

+1 work harder = better outcome. That applies to anyone, regardless of race, social economic background, or whether in academics or sports.

I tell my unathletic kid that if they want to be better at x sport, then they need to go outside and practice more, just as I tell them that if they want that A in math, then they need to study more.

I really do not understand why this is a mystery. Asians study 4x more hours than Blacks. That is a massive difference. It would be really peculiar if that didn't affect scores.

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Anonymous wrote:wow this is crazy, you can be the 4th lowest decile aa and still be way above asians. crazy no wonder asians feel discriminated

Standardized tests are culturally biased and we're originally implemented by a racist.

If the index was normalized for tests, this alleged disparity ( SFFA is the source of this massaged data) would be much lower.

Anyways, the SAT / ACT impact will continue to diminish over time.

What are Asians and Whites in common but so much different for Blacks? culturally

What biase are we talking about?

What?

DP.. apparently, SATs are culturally bias, hence Black people score lower on SATs. But since Asian Americans score higher on SATs that must mean that they have more in common with white people.

That's the argument. And yes, it's laughable and ignorant.

Then what is your reason for AA people scoring lower?

Go ahead, say it out loud. I dare you. You know you think it. Have some courage and show everyone what you really think.

And that, right there, ladies and gents, is why colleges have the current policy.

not PP, but my guess is that they care less about education and put less effort.
Culturally they may value more in succeeding in the areas such as sports or entertainment industry like being a rapper or singer which are all ok. Nothing is wrong with that.

However if you want to improve on the education area, you have to go to the source of the problema and support and aid them to care more and put more effort in education instead of forcing it to increase the numbers artificially.

You actually did say it out loud! I am shocked! There it is, folks... your open racism of the day. Hope it is the last one you hear today, but unfortunately we are likely to get more.

PP you disgust me. You are repulsive. And also an imbecile. "Educate them more, but don't let them into the best colleges!" Lol.

Why are you mad??

The reason is simple on the surface, you care less and put less effort = lower score.
You care more and put more effort = higher score.

It's most likely a cultural thing. Asians probably care more about education and put more effort.

Seriously, what else could be the reason?

+1 work harder = better outcome. That applies to anyone, regardless of race, social economic background, or whether in academics or sports.

I tell my unathletic kid that if they want to be better at x sport, then they need to go outside and practice more, just as I tell them that if they want that A in math, then they need to study more.

Actually the high scorers who were a tiny bit lower than the top scorers did work harder at something, many things… community engagement, arts, sports to name a few. Because of their hard work they were chosen over your kid who studied hard but was not willing to put the hard work in where it counts.

Your kid really just needs to step it up and do more and be better.

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Anonymous wrote:wow this is crazy, you can be the 4th lowest decile aa and still be way above asians. crazy no wonder asians feel discriminated

Standardized tests are culturally biased and we're originally implemented by a racist.

If the index was normalized for tests, this alleged disparity ( SFFA is the source of this massaged data) would be much lower.

Anyways, the SAT / ACT impact will continue to diminish over time.

What are Asians and Whites in common but so much different for Blacks? culturally

What biase are we talking about?

What?

DP.. apparently, SATs are culturally bias, hence Black people score lower on SATs. But since Asian Americans score higher on SATs that must mean that they have more in common with white people.

That's the argument. And yes, it's laughable and ignorant.

Then what is your reason for AA people scoring lower?

Go ahead, say it out loud. I dare you. You know you think it. Have some courage and show everyone what you really think.

And that, right there, ladies and gents, is why colleges have the current policy.

not PP, but my guess is that they care less about education and put less effort.
Culturally they may value more in succeeding in the areas such as sports or entertainment industry like being a rapper or singer which are all ok. Nothing is wrong with that.

However if you want to improve on the education area, you have to go to the source of the problema and support and aid them to care more and put more effort in education instead of forcing it to increase the numbers artificially.

Would you say that Asians score lower on the interviews because they put less effort into those areas?

Wrong. Asians actually scored high on 'Interveiws'
go back and check it out.

they did not score HIGH they scored the same as white counterparts. Again, it seems pretty weird that we keep hearing about Asians vs Whites unless of course, its about the blacks who SOMEHOW get in, always undeservedly.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I think that the focus on race is outdated, if anything it should be that kids who come from less means; rural poverty, inner city low income situations get a bump in admissions if they have stats that would otherwise put them in the bottom 25 percent of typical admits. That is what will bring real diversity to campuses. A poor white kid from appalachia who worked their butt off in school brings more diversity of life experience than a black kid who went to GDS, vacations on Martha's Vineyard and is full pay.
Racial diversity was very much needed 20 years ago on college campuses but now they need to focus on economic diversity. The colleges will continue to admit a variety of racial groups because there are thousands "URM" who will still get in without their race being considered. They have the merits.

UC system in the 1990s tried the "economic diversity" approach hoping that they'd increase the number of blacks and Hispanics but what they got were a lot of Eastern Europeans and Vietnamese. As that wasn't the kind of "diversity" they were looking for, they dropped it.

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Anonymous wrote:wow this is crazy, you can be the 4th lowest decile aa and still be way above asians. crazy no wonder asians feel discriminated

Standardized tests are culturally biased and we're originally implemented by a racist.

If the index was normalized for tests, this alleged disparity ( SFFA is the source of this massaged data) would be much lower.

Anyways, the SAT / ACT impact will continue to diminish over time.

What are Asians and Whites in common but so much different for Blacks? culturally

What biase are we talking about?

What?

DP.. apparently, SATs are culturally bias, hence Black people score lower on SATs. But since Asian Americans score higher on SATs that must mean that they have more in common with white people.

That's the argument. And yes, it's laughable and ignorant.

Then what is your reason for AA people scoring lower?

Go ahead, say it out loud. I dare you. You know you think it. Have some courage and show everyone what you really think.

And that, right there, ladies and gents, is why colleges have the current policy.

not PP, but my guess is that they care less about education and put less effort.
Culturally they may value more in succeeding in the areas such as sports or entertainment industry like being a rapper or singer which are all ok. Nothing is wrong with that.

However if you want to improve on the education area, you have to go to the source of the problema and support and aid them to care more and put more effort in education instead of forcing it to increase the numbers artificially.

You actually did say it out loud! I am shocked! There it is, folks... your open racism of the day. Hope it is the last one you hear today, but unfortunately we are likely to get more.

PP you disgust me. You are repulsive. And also an imbecile. "Educate them more, but don't let them into the best colleges!" Lol.

Why are you mad??

The reason is simple on the surface, you care less and put less effort = lower score.
You care more and put more effort = higher score.

It's most likely a cultural thing. Asians probably care more about education and put more effort.

Seriously, what else could be the reason?

+1 work harder = better outcome. That applies to anyone, regardless of race, social economic background, or whether in academics or sports.

I tell my unathletic kid that if they want to be better at x sport, then they need to go outside and practice more, just as I tell them that if they want that A in math, then they need to study more.

I really do not understand why this is a mystery. Asians study 4x more hours than Blacks. That is a massive difference. It would be really peculiar if that didn't affect scores.

So you are saying Asians need to study 4x harder than blacks to get a minuscule higher score ? Are you saying that they are not very smart and they need to work way harder than the normal student, because their grades are no anywhere near 4x higher.

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Anonymous wrote:wow this is crazy, you can be the 4th lowest decile aa and still be way above asians. crazy no wonder asians feel discriminated

Standardized tests are culturally biased and we're originally implemented by a racist.

If the index was normalized for tests, this alleged disparity ( SFFA is the source of this massaged data) would be much lower.

Anyways, the SAT / ACT impact will continue to diminish over time.

What are Asians and Whites in common but so much different for Blacks? culturally

What biase are we talking about?

What?

DP.. apparently, SATs are culturally bias, hence Black people score lower on SATs. But since Asian Americans score higher on SATs that must mean that they have more in common with white people.

That's the argument. And yes, it's laughable and ignorant.

Then what is your reason for AA people scoring lower?

Go ahead, say it out loud. I dare you. You know you think it. Have some courage and show everyone what you really think.

And that, right there, ladies and gents, is why colleges have the current policy.

not PP, but my guess is that they care less about education and put less effort.
Culturally they may value more in succeeding in the areas such as sports or entertainment industry like being a rapper or singer which are all ok. Nothing is wrong with that.

However if you want to improve on the education area, you have to go to the source of the problema and support and aid them to care more and put more effort in education instead of forcing it to increase the numbers artificially.

You actually did say it out loud! I am shocked! There it is, folks... your open racism of the day. Hope it is the last one you hear today, but unfortunately we are likely to get more.

PP you disgust me. You are repulsive. And also an imbecile. "Educate them more, but don't let them into the best colleges!" Lol.

Why are you mad??

The reason is simple on the surface, you care less and put less effort = lower score.
You care more and put more effort = higher score.

It's most likely a cultural thing. Asians probably care more about education and put more effort.

Seriously, what else could be the reason?

+1 work harder = better outcome. That applies to anyone, regardless of race, social economic background, or whether in academics or sports.

I tell my unathletic kid that if they want to be better at x sport, then they need to go outside and practice more, just as I tell them that if they want that A in math, then they need to study more.

Actually the high scorers who were a tiny bit lower than the top scorers did work harder at something, many things… community engagement, arts, sports to name a few. Because of their hard work they were chosen over your kid who studied hard but was not willing to put the hard work in where it counts.

Your kid really just needs to step it up and do more and be better.

I think you fail to understand how many strong kids max out this test. So yes the perfect scorers have plenty of energy for other things. They just kick ass at this too.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I think the troll that's flooding this thread lately wants everyone to know that Asians are the perfect model students. Ok.

Harvard will be 100% Asian in a few years.

Happy now?

Bye.

If you made HYP a "pure merit" system it would be like TJ High School - 60% or 70% Asian and 20% white.

I'd be fine with that but blacks would scream their heads off just like they did about TJ demographics.

[Anonymous]

Seems to me the problem is that no one likes to take responsibility if they don't perform well. It's always someone else, a different race, a different culture, another teacher, society etc. They never blame themselves.

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Anonymous wrote:wow this is crazy, you can be the 4th lowest decile aa and still be way above asians. crazy no wonder asians feel discriminated

Standardized tests are culturally biased and we're originally implemented by a racist.

If the index was normalized for tests, this alleged disparity ( SFFA is the source of this massaged data) would be much lower.

Anyways, the SAT / ACT impact will continue to diminish over time.

What are Asians and Whites in common but so much different for Blacks? culturally

What biase are we talking about?

What?

DP.. apparently, SATs are culturally bias, hence Black people score lower on SATs. But since Asian Americans score higher on SATs that must mean that they have more in common with white people.

That's the argument. And yes, it's laughable and ignorant.

Then what is your reason for AA people scoring lower?

Go ahead, say it out loud. I dare you. You know you think it. Have some courage and show everyone what you really think.

And that, right there, ladies and gents, is why colleges have the current policy.

not PP, but my guess is that they care less about education and put less effort.
Culturally they may value more in succeeding in the areas such as sports or entertainment industry like being a rapper or singer which are all ok. Nothing is wrong with that.

However if you want to improve on the education area, you have to go to the source of the problema and support and aid them to care more and put more effort in education instead of forcing it to increase the numbers artificially.

You actually did say it out loud! I am shocked! There it is, folks... your open racism of the day. Hope it is the last one you hear today, but unfortunately we are likely to get more.

PP you disgust me. You are repulsive. And also an imbecile. "Educate them more, but don't let them into the best colleges!" Lol.

Why are you mad??

The reason is simple on the surface, you care less and put less effort = lower score.
You care more and put more effort = higher score.

It's most likely a cultural thing. Asians probably care more about education and put more effort.

Seriously, what else could be the reason?

+1 work harder = better outcome. That applies to anyone, regardless of race, social economic background, or whether in academics or sports.

I tell my unathletic kid that if they want to be better at x sport, then they need to go outside and practice more, just as I tell them that if they want that A in math, then they need to study more.

I really do not understand why this is a mystery. Asians study 4x more hours than Blacks. That is a massive difference. It would be really peculiar if that didn't affect scores.

So you are saying Asians need to study 4x harder than blacks to get a minuscule higher score ? Are you saying that they are not very smart and they need to work way harder than the normal student, because their grades are no anywhere near 4x higher.

Asians study much harder and get massively higher scores, especially at the right hand side of the curve.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I think the troll that's flooding this thread lately wants everyone to know that Asians are the perfect model students. Ok.

Harvard will be 100% Asian in a few years.

Happy now?

Bye.

If you made HYP a "pure merit" system it would be like TJ High School - 60% or 70% Asian and 20% white.

I'd be fine with that but blacks would scream their heads off just like they did about TJ demographics.

Right, the loud blacks.

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Anonymous wrote:wow this is crazy, you can be the 4th lowest decile aa and still be way above asians. crazy no wonder asians feel discriminated

Standardized tests are culturally biased and we're originally implemented by a racist.

If the index was normalized for tests, this alleged disparity ( SFFA is the source of this massaged data) would be much lower.

Anyways, the SAT / ACT impact will continue to diminish over time.

What are Asians and Whites in common but so much different for Blacks? culturally

What biase are we talking about?

What?

DP.. apparently, SATs are culturally bias, hence Black people score lower on SATs. But since Asian Americans score higher on SATs that must mean that they have more in common with white people.

That's the argument. And yes, it's laughable and ignorant.

Then what is your reason for AA people scoring lower?

Go ahead, say it out loud. I dare you. You know you think it. Have some courage and show everyone what you really think.

And that, right there, ladies and gents, is why colleges have the current policy.

not PP, but my guess is that they care less about education and put less effort.
Culturally they may value more in succeeding in the areas such as sports or entertainment industry like being a rapper or singer which are all ok. Nothing is wrong with that.

However if you want to improve on the education area, you have to go to the source of the problema and support and aid them to care more and put more effort in education instead of forcing it to increase the numbers artificially.

You actually did say it out loud! I am shocked! There it is, folks... your open racism of the day. Hope it is the last one you hear today, but unfortunately we are likely to get more.

PP you disgust me. You are repulsive. And also an imbecile. "Educate them more, but don't let them into the best colleges!" Lol.

Why are you mad??

The reason is simple on the surface, you care less and put less effort = lower score.
You care more and put more effort = higher score.

It's most likely a cultural thing. Asians probably care more about education and put more effort.

Seriously, what else could be the reason?

+1 work harder = better outcome. That applies to anyone, regardless of race, social economic background, or whether in academics or sports.

I tell my unathletic kid that if they want to be better at x sport, then they need to go outside and practice more, just as I tell them that if they want that A in math, then they need to study more.

I really do not understand why this is a mystery. Asians study 4x more hours than Blacks. That is a massive difference. It would be really peculiar if that didn't affect scores.

So you are saying Asians need to study 4x harder than blacks to get a minuscule higher score ? Are you saying that they are not very smart and they need to work way harder than the normal student, because their grades are no anywhere near 4x higher.

Stop and think about what you just said for a second.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I think that the focus on race is outdated, if anything it should be that kids who come from less means; rural poverty, inner city low income situations get a bump in admissions if they have stats that would otherwise put them in the bottom 25 percent of typical admits. That is what will bring real diversity to campuses. A poor white kid from appalachia who worked their butt off in school brings more diversity of life experience than a black kid who went to GDS, vacations on Martha's Vineyard and is full pay.
Racial diversity was very much needed 20 years ago on college campuses but now they need to focus on economic diversity. The colleges will continue to admit a variety of racial groups because there are thousands "URM" who will still get in without their race being considered. They have the merits.

UC system in the 1990s tried the "economic diversity" approach hoping that they'd increase the number of blacks and Hispanics but what they got were a lot of Eastern Europeans and Vietnamese. As that wasn't the kind of "diversity" they were looking for, they dropped it.

Well what's wrong with Eastern Europeans and Vietnamese? The whole point of what I was saying is that you admit without trying to engineer the racial result and only admit those who have the merit to attend, but give a bump to those who come from low income situations. The sad issue is that there are populations of Blacks and Hispanics in S. CA that don't have good public school systems from preschool-HS. That needs to be fixed but those kids should not get into UCLA because of their race above an eastern european or a low income white kid from bakersfield who is actually prepared academically to go to that UC.

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Anonymous wrote:Seems to me the problem is that no one likes to take responsibility if they don't perform well. It's always someone else, a different race, a different culture, another teacher, society etc. They never blame themselves.

Agreed, then they say but my SAT score like that tells the whole story. It doesn’t. Work harder, do better, get better letters of recommendation, get national recognition in something… you need to bring it. SAT scores, GMAFB.