Oakton crash

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:This conversation has completely jumped the shark. It's just a giant argument about a news report 2 weeks old.

Official charges were announced today.

So?

Exactly - let the officials to their job. He has not been convicted. There is more to come.

So see yourself out. If you’re so upset at this thread then you can easily not participate.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:He was not merely going above the speed limit. He was driving 81 mph when the speed limit was 35.

https://wtop.com/fairfax-county/2022/06/18-year-old-indicted-in-crash-that-killed-2-oakton-high-school-students/

Holy crap! 81 MPH? Hard to build a defense against that. And amazing one can get up to that speed on such a road.

81? That is weirdly specific. I wonder if they wanted that # to get to a specific charge.

These idiots can’t manage to put in traffic calming measures so we really trust them with complex math?

The defense will do their own calculations. And they will use experts.

Calling the police investigators idiots but you didn’t even read the article that says the BMWs own sensor recorded 81 mph at crash, 83 when he hit the girls.

FCPS cops are a bunch of bumbling idiots.

If he ended up **faster** after the Toyota, then the Toyota must have pushed into him. That would also explain the damage location on the cars.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:He was not merely going above the speed limit. He was driving 81 mph when the speed limit was 35.

https://wtop.com/fairfax-county/2022/06/18-year-old-indicted-in-crash-that-killed-2-oakton-high-school-students/

Holy crap! 81 MPH? Hard to build a defense against that. And amazing one can get up to that speed on such a road.

81? That is weirdly specific. I wonder if they wanted that # to get to a specific charge.

These idiots can’t manage to put in traffic calming measures so we really trust them with complex math?

The defense will do their own calculations. And they will use experts.

Calling the police investigators idiots but you didn’t even read the article that says the BMWs own sensor recorded 81 mph at crash, 83 when he hit the girls.

FCPS cops are a bunch of bumbling idiots.

If he ended up **faster** after the Toyota, then the Toyota must have pushed into him. That would also explain the damage location on the cars.

Again, you should really read the facts. They have explained why he could’ve potentially accelerated…

[Anonymous]

Hey BMW friends- you’re really not doing him any favors. It seems as if there’s no empathy or remorse for what happened when you blame everyone else but the driver. Excuses are not going to help the situation.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:He was not merely going above the speed limit. He was driving 81 mph when the speed limit was 35.

https://wtop.com/fairfax-county/2022/06/18-year-old-indicted-in-crash-that-killed-2-oakton-high-school-students/

Holy crap! 81 MPH? Hard to build a defense against that. And amazing one can get up to that speed on such a road.

81? That is weirdly specific. I wonder if they wanted that # to get to a specific charge.

These idiots can’t manage to put in traffic calming measures so we really trust them with complex math?

The defense will do their own calculations. And they will use experts.

Calling the police investigators idiots but you didn’t even read the article that says the BMWs own sensor recorded 81 mph at crash, 83 when he hit the girls.

FCPS cops are a bunch of bumbling idiots.

If he ended up **faster** after the Toyota, then the Toyota must have pushed into him. That would also explain the damage location on the cars.

Are you a physicist?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:He was not merely going above the speed limit. He was driving 81 mph when the speed limit was 35.

https://wtop.com/fairfax-county/2022/06/18-year-old-indicted-in-crash-that-killed-2-oakton-high-school-students/

Holy crap! 81 MPH? Hard to build a defense against that. And amazing one can get up to that speed on such a road.

81? That is weirdly specific. I wonder if they wanted that # to get to a specific charge.

These idiots can’t manage to put in traffic calming measures so we really trust them with complex math?

The defense will do their own calculations. And they will use experts.

Calling the police investigators idiots but you didn’t even read the article that says the BMWs own sensor recorded 81 mph at crash, 83 when he hit the girls.

FCPS cops are a bunch of bumbling idiots.

If he ended up **faster** after the Toyota, then the Toyota must have pushed into him. That would also explain the damage location on the cars.

No sweetie, you're the bumbling idiot.

From the WaPo: The vehicle then accelerated slightly to 83 mph before hitting the teens, possibly because the force of the initial impact threw the driver forward onto the accelerator, Ludwig said.

[Anonymous]

Stopping distance at 80 mph is over 300 feet. Likely he wasn’t even looking at the road right before impact. The witnesses will tell the story of the inside of the car.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:You people who are piling on the young drivers have a lot of nerve unless you drive at or under the speed limit 100% of the time. Who amoung you will cast the first stone?

I will. I’ve had a license 30 years longer than the BMW driver and my driving has never killed, maimed or injured anyone. Let alone killed two 14 year old girls and seriously injured another.

My aunt was killed walking home from school as a child by an impaired driver and I saw the damage it had done and was still doing to my mothers family even 25 years later.

So me. Stone cast.

You have NEVER gone over the speed limit?

So full of crap.

what the ever-loving crap are YOU talking about.

NO, we have not driven 46 mph over the limit IN A SCHOOL ZONE.

I'm 47 and I can assure you I've never done that. Neither has any adult I know.

You must be a family member and I'm sorry but your POS son/cousin/brother is going to go away for a long time.

You have gone over the speed limit you have no ground to stand on.

You’re a POS just like him.

Just stop. You’re either a huge moron, or you’re trolling a sensitive topic. There is a huge difference between speeding just a little and going more than 40 mph over the speed limit. It’s not comparable. Speeding a little is bad, but you still generally have time to react to road hazards, and others have time to react to you. Going 81 in a school zone means no one has reasonable reaction time, and you’re putting many lives at risk for no reason. Even a preschooler would grasp that there’s a huge difference between speeding a little and speeding a lot.

Just go away, you POS moron troll.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:He was not merely going above the speed limit. He was driving 81 mph when the speed limit was 35.

https://wtop.com/fairfax-county/2022/06/18-year-old-indicted-in-crash-that-killed-2-oakton-high-school-students/

Holy crap! 81 MPH? Hard to build a defense against that. And amazing one can get up to that speed on such a road.

81? That is weirdly specific. I wonder if they wanted that # to get to a specific charge.

These idiots can’t manage to put in traffic calming measures so we really trust them with complex math?

The defense will do their own calculations. And they will use experts.

Calling the police investigators idiots but you didn’t even read the article that says the BMWs own sensor recorded 81 mph at crash, 83 when he hit the girls.

FCPS cops are a bunch of bumbling idiots.

If he ended up **faster** after the Toyota, then the Toyota must have pushed into him. That would also explain the damage location on the cars.

No sweetie, you're the bumbling idiot.

From the WaPo: The vehicle then accelerated slightly to 83 mph before hitting the teens, possibly because the force of the initial impact threw the driver forward onto the accelerator, Ludwig said.

“Possibly”. Or the force of the Toyota moving into the BMW (as evidenced by front end damage to Toyota & side of BMW) pushed him faster into the girls.

The kid shouldn’t have been speeding but I don’t trust these idiots to get anything right.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:You people who are piling on the young drivers have a lot of nerve unless you drive at or under the speed limit 100% of the time. Who amoung you will cast the first stone?

I will. I’ve had a license 30 years longer than the BMW driver and my driving has never killed, maimed or injured anyone. Let alone killed two 14 year old girls and seriously injured another.

My aunt was killed walking home from school as a child by an impaired driver and I saw the damage it had done and was still doing to my mothers family even 25 years later.

So me. Stone cast.

You have NEVER gone over the speed limit?

So full of crap.

what the ever-loving crap are YOU talking about.

NO, we have not driven 46 mph over the limit IN A SCHOOL ZONE.

I'm 47 and I can assure you I've never done that. Neither has any adult I know.

You must be a family member and I'm sorry but your POS son/cousin/brother is going to go away for a long time.

You have gone over the speed limit you have no ground to stand on.

You’re a POS just like him.

Just stop. You’re either a huge moron, or you’re trolling a sensitive topic. There is a huge difference between speeding just a little and going more than 40 mph over the speed limit. It’s not comparable. Speeding a little is bad, but you still generally have time to react to road hazards, and others have time to react to you. Going 81 in a school zone means no one has reasonable reaction time, and you’re putting many lives at risk for no reason. Even a preschooler would grasp that there’s a huge difference between speeding a little and speeding a lot.

Just go away, you POS moron troll.

Liar. It wasn’t a school zone.

I like how you try to rationalize YOUR speeding as ok.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:You people who are piling on the young drivers have a lot of nerve unless you drive at or under the speed limit 100% of the time. Who amoung you will cast the first stone?

I will. I’ve had a license 30 years longer than the BMW driver and my driving has never killed, maimed or injured anyone. Let alone killed two 14 year old girls and seriously injured another.

My aunt was killed walking home from school as a child by an impaired driver and I saw the damage it had done and was still doing to my mothers family even 25 years later.

So me. Stone cast.

You have NEVER gone over the speed limit?

So full of crap.

what the ever-loving crap are YOU talking about.

NO, we have not driven 46 mph over the limit IN A SCHOOL ZONE.

I'm 47 and I can assure you I've never done that. Neither has any adult I know.

You must be a family member and I'm sorry but your POS son/cousin/brother is going to go away for a long time.

You have gone over the speed limit you have no ground to stand on.

You’re a POS just like him.

Just stop. You’re either a huge moron, or you’re trolling a sensitive topic. There is a huge difference between speeding just a little and going more than 40 mph over the speed limit. It’s not comparable. Speeding a little is bad, but you still generally have time to react to road hazards, and others have time to react to you. Going 81 in a school zone means no one has reasonable reaction time, and you’re putting many lives at risk for no reason. Even a preschooler would grasp that there’s a huge difference between speeding a little and speeding a lot.

Just go away, you POS moron troll.

Liar. It wasn’t a school zone.

I like how you try to rationalize YOUR speeding as ok.

Simple yes or no question: the speed limit is 35 mph. Car A is going 36 mph. Car B is going 80 mph. Are both cars equally wrong?

[Anonymous]

The data is from the sensors in the BMW. WaPo: "Onboard sensors show that the teen’s BMW was traveling 81 mph when it collided with another vehicle"

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:You people who are piling on the young drivers have a lot of nerve unless you drive at or under the speed limit 100% of the time. Who amoung you will cast the first stone?

I will. I’ve had a license 30 years longer than the BMW driver and my driving has never killed, maimed or injured anyone. Let alone killed two 14 year old girls and seriously injured another.

My aunt was killed walking home from school as a child by an impaired driver and I saw the damage it had done and was still doing to my mothers family even 25 years later.

So me. Stone cast.

You have NEVER gone over the speed limit?

So full of crap.

what the ever-loving crap are YOU talking about.

NO, we have not driven 46 mph over the limit IN A SCHOOL ZONE.

I'm 47 and I can assure you I've never done that. Neither has any adult I know.

You must be a family member and I'm sorry but your POS son/cousin/brother is going to go away for a long time.

You have gone over the speed limit you have no ground to stand on.

You’re a POS just like him.

Holy shit you must really enjoy looking like a complete idiot incapable of rational thought. Every time you post you dig yourself in deeper and deeper. It’s almost entertaining now.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:You people who are piling on the young drivers have a lot of nerve unless you drive at or under the speed limit 100% of the time. Who amoung you will cast the first stone?

I will. I’ve had a license 30 years longer than the BMW driver and my driving has never killed, maimed or injured anyone. Let alone killed two 14 year old girls and seriously injured another.

My aunt was killed walking home from school as a child by an impaired driver and I saw the damage it had done and was still doing to my mothers family even 25 years later.

So me. Stone cast.

You have NEVER gone over the speed limit?

So full of crap.

what the ever-loving crap are YOU talking about.

NO, we have not driven 46 mph over the limit IN A SCHOOL ZONE.

I'm 47 and I can assure you I've never done that. Neither has any adult I know.

You must be a family member and I'm sorry but your POS son/cousin/brother is going to go away for a long time.

You have gone over the speed limit you have no ground to stand on.

You’re a POS just like him.

Just stop. You’re either a huge moron, or you’re trolling a sensitive topic. There is a huge difference between speeding just a little and going more than 40 mph over the speed limit. It’s not comparable. Speeding a little is bad, but you still generally have time to react to road hazards, and others have time to react to you. Going 81 in a school zone means no one has reasonable reaction time, and you’re putting many lives at risk for no reason. Even a preschooler would grasp that there’s a huge difference between speeding a little and speeding a lot.

Just go away, you POS moron troll.

Liar. It wasn’t a school zone.

I like how you try to rationalize YOUR speeding as ok.

Simple yes or no question: the speed limit is 35 mph. Car A is going 36 mph. Car B is going 80 mph. Are both cars equally wrong?

They are both breaking the law.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:He was not merely going above the speed limit. He was driving 81 mph when the speed limit was 35.

https://wtop.com/fairfax-county/2022/06/18-year-old-indicted-in-crash-that-killed-2-oakton-high-school-students/

Holy crap! 81 MPH? Hard to build a defense against that. And amazing one can get up to that speed on such a road.

81? That is weirdly specific. I wonder if they wanted that # to get to a specific charge.

These idiots can’t manage to put in traffic calming measures so we really trust them with complex math?

The defense will do their own calculations. And they will use experts.

Calling the police investigators idiots but you didn’t even read the article that says the BMWs own sensor recorded 81 mph at crash, 83 when he hit the girls.

FCPS cops are a bunch of bumbling idiots.

If he ended up **faster** after the Toyota, then the Toyota must have pushed into him. That would also explain the damage location on the cars.

Are you a physicist?

No, but I’ve studied more about physics and dynamics than most here.