Who did you think killed JonBenet?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Maybe someone knew they liked pineapple and brought it to the party. It got stashed in the fridge during clean up.

Most likely senerio.

That does make sense actually. And it would explain how that got into the fridge w/o Patsy knowing about it.

I'm not seeing John going out to buy fruit...lol.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:You can about bet that Patsy Ramsy had a small department store worth of clothes to choose from in her closet. Why would she put on dirty clothes from the day before?

How do you know the clothes were dirty?
Also, I have TONS of clothes. My closet is huge 16 x 8. It's full of clothes. Unfortunately, I use only 10% of my closest due to weight gain. Patsy was heavy too. So, maybe she did wear a few items over and over, I do.

It didn't sound like Patsy was the type to wear an outfit twice. She worried about things like having matching outfits with JonBenet and even bought JonBenet a doll for Christmas that had matching clothes.

Think about the pageants and all the focus on fashion. Patsy was not the type to just roll out of bed with a full face of makeup and the clothes from the night before. I'm just not seeing her of all people doing that.

But if she was so vain, why was she overweight? Why didn't she exercise?
What did you read that made you think she wasn't the type to wear an outfit twice?
She was leaving early for vacation, grabbing that outfit was easy. She wasn't going to see the people that saw her wear that outfit the day before.

LOL, yes vain rich ladies never get fat?
As a person who struggles with my weight, I can totally see re-wearing a holiday party outfit. Maybe she put it on late on the day before and only wore it to the party. I have a closet FULL of clothes too, most of which I don't wear. And only a few of which I would consider Christmasy.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Also, if Santa guy snuck into their house to "visit" JonBenet, woke her up quietly and got her to eat a snack of pineapple...you think that he would be wearing a ski mask? Wouldn't a strange person in a ski mask freak a little kid out?

Bottom line is - the Ramseys said that JonBenet fell asleep in the car and that Patsy her to bed.

We know from the pineapple that JonBenet was awake at some point AFTER arriving home. This idea that a sex predator would set up a little tea party with a snack of pineapple for JonBenet is ridiculous.

JB was asleep in the car when John put her to bed. Then he sent Patsy to help her get ready for bed. This would have woken her up. After Patsy left the room she went upstairs to the third floor. Burke went downstairs because he wanted to play with a toy. His dad heard him and went to stay with him. Perhaps unbeknownst to the parents JB now in bed and wondering what she missed out on after falling asleep in the car went down stairs. She would have gone to kitchen first. Maybe she peeked to the next room and saw it was just her brother and dad playing with a toy. She knew she was supposed to be in bed so she grabbed a few pieces of pineapple from the bowl on the counter by just touching the pineapple not the bowl and then went back to bed. Burke could have gotten the pineapple out when he came down to play with the toy. He remembers playing with the toy but not eating the pineapple. He said in his interview with Dr. Phil he can't remember what he ate 20 years ago. I think he got the bowl out before he played with the toy. John came in after and did not know Burke had put the bowl on the counter. None of them knew that JB had snuck downstairs for a minute just to make sure she wasn't missing anything. Kids go to the refrigerator or cabinet all the time and get something to eat. I find my kids making toast downstairs after I think they are in bed. No big deal. I don't think Santa had a tea party with JB. Also when you put one kid to bed and the other one is still up the first kid often gets back up because the sibling is up. how many times do parents carry sleeping kids or babies from a car and put them to bed and they are back up? About 50% of the time in my house. I think the pineapple was a red herring. It was an ordinary bowl of pineapple that 2 kids helped themselves to before bed without the parents knowing. I think that red herring stumped the entire police force.

The pineapple is significant simply because the parents deny any knowledge of it at all. Patsy couldn't remember if she had bought it from the store. You wouldn't buy fresh cut pineapple from the store more than a week before you actually used it. Why on earth would she not remember at least buying the stuff and having it in her refrigerator?

If she was planning to use the pineapple on pancakes during Christmas breakfast - of course she would remember picking it up from the store. It's just the mundane little details like this that make the pineapple significant. She either did or didn't buy any that week - which is it? She's lying about the pineapple. Why?

If someone showed me some random item from my pantry bought within the past year I can about guarantee you that I would remember buying it and probably from which store and whether or not it was on sale when I bought it. I think that most of us can say they same thing.

I've had canned pineapple in my pantry for YEARS. Bought it when the kids were little and finally threw it away after it expired.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:You can about bet that Patsy Ramsy had a small department store worth of clothes to choose from in her closet. Why would she put on dirty clothes from the day before?

How do you know the clothes were dirty?
Also, I have TONS of clothes. My closet is huge 16 x 8. It's full of clothes. Unfortunately, I use only 10% of my closest due to weight gain. Patsy was heavy too. So, maybe she did wear a few items over and over, I do.

It didn't sound like Patsy was the type to wear an outfit twice. She worried about things like having matching outfits with JonBenet and even bought JonBenet a doll for Christmas that had matching clothes.

Think about the pageants and all the focus on fashion. Patsy was not the type to just roll out of bed with a full face of makeup and the clothes from the night before. I'm just not seeing her of all people doing that.

But if she was so vain, why was she overweight? Why didn't she exercise?
What did you read that made you think she wasn't the type to wear an outfit twice?
She was leaving early for vacation, grabbing that outfit was easy. She wasn't going to see the people that saw her wear that outfit the day before.

LOL, yes vain rich ladies never get fat?
As a person who struggles with my weight, I can totally see re-wearing a holiday party outfit. Maybe she put it on late on the day before and only wore it to the party. I have a closet FULL of clothes too, most of which I don't wear. And only a few of which I would consider Christmasy.

You wouldn't take your heavy makeup off? Or do you think she applied that when she woke up?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Also, if Santa guy snuck into their house to "visit" JonBenet, woke her up quietly and got her to eat a snack of pineapple...you think that he would be wearing a ski mask? Wouldn't a strange person in a ski mask freak a little kid out?

Bottom line is - the Ramseys said that JonBenet fell asleep in the car and that Patsy her to bed.

We know from the pineapple that JonBenet was awake at some point AFTER arriving home. This idea that a sex predator would set up a little tea party with a snack of pineapple for JonBenet is ridiculous.

JB was asleep in the car when John put her to bed. Then he sent Patsy to help her get ready for bed. This would have woken her up. After Patsy left the room she went upstairs to the third floor. Burke went downstairs because he wanted to play with a toy. His dad heard him and went to stay with him. Perhaps unbeknownst to the parents JB now in bed and wondering what she missed out on after falling asleep in the car went down stairs. She would have gone to kitchen first. Maybe she peeked to the next room and saw it was just her brother and dad playing with a toy. She knew she was supposed to be in bed so she grabbed a few pieces of pineapple from the bowl on the counter by just touching the pineapple not the bowl and then went back to bed. Burke could have gotten the pineapple out when he came down to play with the toy. He remembers playing with the toy but not eating the pineapple. He said in his interview with Dr. Phil he can't remember what he ate 20 years ago. I think he got the bowl out before he played with the toy. John came in after and did not know Burke had put the bowl on the counter. None of them knew that JB had snuck downstairs for a minute just to make sure she wasn't missing anything. Kids go to the refrigerator or cabinet all the time and get something to eat. I find my kids making toast downstairs after I think they are in bed. No big deal. I don't think Santa had a tea party with JB. Also when you put one kid to bed and the other one is still up the first kid often gets back up because the sibling is up. how many times do parents carry sleeping kids or babies from a car and put them to bed and they are back up? About 50% of the time in my house. I think the pineapple was a red herring. It was an ordinary bowl of pineapple that 2 kids helped themselves to before bed without the parents knowing. I think that red herring stumped the entire police force.

The pineapple is significant simply because the parents deny any knowledge of it at all. Patsy couldn't remember if she had bought it from the store. You wouldn't buy fresh cut pineapple from the store more than a week before you actually used it. Why on earth would she not remember at least buying the stuff and having it in her refrigerator?

If she was planning to use the pineapple on pancakes during Christmas breakfast - of course she would remember picking it up from the store. It's just the mundane little details like this that make the pineapple significant. She either did or didn't buy any that week - which is it? She's lying about the pineapple. Why?

If someone showed me some random item from my pantry bought within the past year I can about guarantee you that I would remember buying it and probably from which store and whether or not it was on sale when I bought it. I think that most of us can say they same thing.

I've had canned pineapple in my pantry for YEARS. Bought it when the kids were little and finally threw it away after it expired.

If someone showed you the pineapple would you say "Oh my. I don't know how that got there"? Or would you vaguely remember that you bought that back in 2006? Maybe I'm the only one who remembers this stuff?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Also, if Santa guy snuck into their house to "visit" JonBenet, woke her up quietly and got her to eat a snack of pineapple...you think that he would be wearing a ski mask? Wouldn't a strange person in a ski mask freak a little kid out?

Bottom line is - the Ramseys said that JonBenet fell asleep in the car and that Patsy her to bed.

We know from the pineapple that JonBenet was awake at some point AFTER arriving home. This idea that a sex predator would set up a little tea party with a snack of pineapple for JonBenet is ridiculous.

JB was asleep in the car when John put her to bed. Then he sent Patsy to help her get ready for bed. This would have woken her up. After Patsy left the room she went upstairs to the third floor. Burke went downstairs because he wanted to play with a toy. His dad heard him and went to stay with him. Perhaps unbeknownst to the parents JB now in bed and wondering what she missed out on after falling asleep in the car went down stairs. She would have gone to kitchen first. Maybe she peeked to the next room and saw it was just her brother and dad playing with a toy. She knew she was supposed to be in bed so she grabbed a few pieces of pineapple from the bowl on the counter by just touching the pineapple not the bowl and then went back to bed. Burke could have gotten the pineapple out when he came down to play with the toy. He remembers playing with the toy but not eating the pineapple. He said in his interview with Dr. Phil he can't remember what he ate 20 years ago. I think he got the bowl out before he played with the toy. John came in after and did not know Burke had put the bowl on the counter. None of them knew that JB had snuck downstairs for a minute just to make sure she wasn't missing anything. Kids go to the refrigerator or cabinet all the time and get something to eat. I find my kids making toast downstairs after I think they are in bed. No big deal. I don't think Santa had a tea party with JB. Also when you put one kid to bed and the other one is still up the first kid often gets back up because the sibling is up. how many times do parents carry sleeping kids or babies from a car and put them to bed and they are back up? About 50% of the time in my house. I think the pineapple was a red herring. It was an ordinary bowl of pineapple that 2 kids helped themselves to before bed without the parents knowing. I think that red herring stumped the entire police force.

The pineapple is significant simply because the parents deny any knowledge of it at all. Patsy couldn't remember if she had bought it from the store. You wouldn't buy fresh cut pineapple from the store more than a week before you actually used it. Why on earth would she not remember at least buying the stuff and having it in her refrigerator?

If she was planning to use the pineapple on pancakes during Christmas breakfast - of course she would remember picking it up from the store. It's just the mundane little details like this that make the pineapple significant. She either did or didn't buy any that week - which is it? She's lying about the pineapple. Why?

If someone showed me some random item from my pantry bought within the past year I can about guarantee you that I would remember buying it and probably from which store and whether or not it was on sale when I bought it. I think that most of us can say they same thing.

I've had canned pineapple in my pantry for YEARS. Bought it when the kids were little and finally threw it away after it expired.

If someone showed you the pineapple would you say "Oh my. I don't know how that got there"? Or would you vaguely remember that you bought that back in 2006? Maybe I'm the only one who remembers this stuff?

You do sound either OCD or very cheap, low income.

[Anonymous]

I would never remember what or when I bought something. Plus, Patsy may have had hired help to do grocery shopping.

[Anonymous]

Where is the source for saying that there was a special pancake breakfast planned at any point? Am I reading a PP correctly that this was planned?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I had chemotherapy and I have a lot of problems with short term memory now. I lost weight during chemo. But my oncologist told me each time I went in that many people gain weight during chemo for various reasons. She said that the steroids and anti nausea drugs keep people from throwing up. People often eat more comfort foods. Patsy was also probably thrown into menopause like I was by either chemo or surgery and then you can gain weight also. My oncologist said that some people lose weight and some people gain weight. I am not the person who originally brought up her weight, just thought I would add my own personal experience. I can see how Oatsy would not remember many things. Especially because she was so traumatized.

Thank you for these observations. I don't think that she was undergoing chemo at the time of JonBenet's death. She seemed to be a fairly organized person with a lot of balls in the air - all of the gifts that she bought for various relatives, neighbors, friends. Wrapping everything. The special doll she had made for JonBenet along with the coordinating outfits. The tour of her home. Her own Christmas party. And the upcoming travel plans...

Still, I would expect her to remember picking up the pineapple or at least saying "Oh, that's something that I probably picked up".

I think if she wasn't sure, she was smartest to say she didn't remember, the cops had it in for them.

The cops most certainly did not have it in for them. How often do you think an entire police force decides to randomly target innocent rich people?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:You can about bet that Patsy Ramsy had a small department store worth of clothes to choose from in her closet. Why would she put on dirty clothes from the day before?

How do you know the clothes were dirty?
Also, I have TONS of clothes. My closet is huge 16 x 8. It's full of clothes. Unfortunately, I use only 10% of my closest due to weight gain. Patsy was heavy too. So, maybe she did wear a few items over and over, I do.

It didn't sound like Patsy was the type to wear an outfit twice. She worried about things like having matching outfits with JonBenet and even bought JonBenet a doll for Christmas that had matching clothes.

Think about the pageants and all the focus on fashion. Patsy was not the type to just roll out of bed with a full face of makeup and the clothes from the night before. I'm just not seeing her of all people doing that.

But if she was so vain, why was she overweight? Why didn't she exercise?
What did you read that made you think she wasn't the type to wear an outfit twice?
She was leaving early for vacation, grabbing that outfit was easy. She wasn't going to see the people that saw her wear that outfit the day before.

LOL, yes vain rich ladies never get fat?
As a person who struggles with my weight, I can totally see re-wearing a holiday party outfit. Maybe she put it on late on the day before and only wore it to the party. I have a closet FULL of clothes too, most of which I don't wear. And only a few of which I would consider Christmasy.

You wouldn't take your heavy makeup off? Or do you think she applied that when she woke up?

Not PP, but I'm a vain and overweight and financially comfortable. Last Christmas I had two party outfits that I rotated between events. I can definitely see someone rewearing an outfit. And I'm terrible about taking off makeup, but I don't use a ton of foundation. After a party I hate trying to get all of the eye makeup off so I'll leave it sometimes.

I don't see an issue with her rewearing an outfit or having on makeup. Or maybe she did wash at night and then reapply in the morning before she came down. She didn't know the note was down there.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Where is the source for saying that there was a special pancake breakfast planned at any point? Am I reading a PP correctly that this was planned?

Probably the same poster who makes up facts as she goes along.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Also, if Santa guy snuck into their house to "visit" JonBenet, woke her up quietly and got her to eat a snack of pineapple...you think that he would be wearing a ski mask? Wouldn't a strange person in a ski mask freak a little kid out?

Bottom line is - the Ramseys said that JonBenet fell asleep in the car and that Patsy her to bed.

We know from the pineapple that JonBenet was awake at some point AFTER arriving home. This idea that a sex predator would set up a little tea party with a snack of pineapple for JonBenet is ridiculous.

JB was asleep in the car when John put her to bed. Then he sent Patsy to help her get ready for bed. This would have woken her up. After Patsy left the room she went upstairs to the third floor. Burke went downstairs because he wanted to play with a toy. His dad heard him and went to stay with him. Perhaps unbeknownst to the parents JB now in bed and wondering what she missed out on after falling asleep in the car went down stairs. She would have gone to kitchen first. Maybe she peeked to the next room and saw it was just her brother and dad playing with a toy. She knew she was supposed to be in bed so she grabbed a few pieces of pineapple from the bowl on the counter by just touching the pineapple not the bowl and then went back to bed. Burke could have gotten the pineapple out when he came down to play with the toy. He remembers playing with the toy but not eating the pineapple. He said in his interview with Dr. Phil he can't remember what he ate 20 years ago. I think he got the bowl out before he played with the toy. John came in after and did not know Burke had put the bowl on the counter. None of them knew that JB had snuck downstairs for a minute just to make sure she wasn't missing anything. Kids go to the refrigerator or cabinet all the time and get something to eat. I find my kids making toast downstairs after I think they are in bed. No big deal. I don't think Santa had a tea party with JB. Also when you put one kid to bed and the other one is still up the first kid often gets back up because the sibling is up. how many times do parents carry sleeping kids or babies from a car and put them to bed and they are back up? About 50% of the time in my house. I think the pineapple was a red herring. It was an ordinary bowl of pineapple that 2 kids helped themselves to before bed without the parents knowing. I think that red herring stumped the entire police force.

The pineapple is significant simply because the parents deny any knowledge of it at all. Patsy couldn't remember if she had bought it from the store. You wouldn't buy fresh cut pineapple from the store more than a week before you actually used it. Why on earth would she not remember at least buying the stuff and having it in her refrigerator?

If she was planning to use the pineapple on pancakes during Christmas breakfast - of course she would remember picking it up from the store. It's just the mundane little details like this that make the pineapple significant. She either did or didn't buy any that week - which is it? She's lying about the pineapple. Why?

If someone showed me some random item from my pantry bought within the past year I can about guarantee you that I would remember buying it and probably from which store and whether or not it was on sale when I bought it. I think that most of us can say they same thing.

I've had canned pineapple in my pantry for YEARS. Bought it when the kids were little and finally threw it away after it expired.

If someone showed you the pineapple would you say "Oh my. I don't know how that got there"? Or would you vaguely remember that you bought that back in 2006? Maybe I'm the only one who remembers this stuff?

You do sound either OCD or very cheap, low income.

Not low income although there was a time when I was pretty poor. Maybe that's why I remember these sorts of things? I'm not OCD about any of it, it's just something that I know. I have hundreds of books on my shelf - many I've read, some I haven't. If you ask me "Did this book come from your bookshelf" I could say with a pretty good degree of certainty whether it did or not.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I had chemotherapy and I have a lot of problems with short term memory now. I lost weight during chemo. But my oncologist told me each time I went in that many people gain weight during chemo for various reasons. She said that the steroids and anti nausea drugs keep people from throwing up. People often eat more comfort foods. Patsy was also probably thrown into menopause like I was by either chemo or surgery and then you can gain weight also. My oncologist said that some people lose weight and some people gain weight. I am not the person who originally brought up her weight, just thought I would add my own personal experience. I can see how Oatsy would not remember many things. Especially because she was so traumatized.

Thank you for these observations. I don't think that she was undergoing chemo at the time of JonBenet's death. She seemed to be a fairly organized person with a lot of balls in the air - all of the gifts that she bought for various relatives, neighbors, friends. Wrapping everything. The special doll she had made for JonBenet along with the coordinating outfits. The tour of her home. Her own Christmas party. And the upcoming travel plans...

Still, I would expect her to remember picking up the pineapple or at least saying "Oh, that's something that I probably picked up".

I think if she wasn't sure, she was smartest to say she didn't remember, the cops had it in for them.

The cops most certainly did not have it in for them. How often do you think an entire police force decides to randomly target innocent rich people?

Sure they did. That one female cop "just knew". Evidence, smevidence.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Where is the source for saying that there was a special pancake breakfast planned at any point? Am I reading a PP correctly that this was planned?

Probably the same poster who makes up facts as she goes along.

I think John mentioned it when the police asked about the pineapple.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Also, if Santa guy snuck into their house to "visit" JonBenet, woke her up quietly and got her to eat a snack of pineapple...you think that he would be wearing a ski mask? Wouldn't a strange person in a ski mask freak a little kid out?

Bottom line is - the Ramseys said that JonBenet fell asleep in the car and that Patsy her to bed.

We know from the pineapple that JonBenet was awake at some point AFTER arriving home. This idea that a sex predator would set up a little tea party with a snack of pineapple for JonBenet is ridiculous.

JB was asleep in the car when John put her to bed. Then he sent Patsy to help her get ready for bed. This would have woken her up. After Patsy left the room she went upstairs to the third floor. Burke went downstairs because he wanted to play with a toy. His dad heard him and went to stay with him. Perhaps unbeknownst to the parents JB now in bed and wondering what she missed out on after falling asleep in the car went down stairs. She would have gone to kitchen first. Maybe she peeked to the next room and saw it was just her brother and dad playing with a toy. She knew she was supposed to be in bed so she grabbed a few pieces of pineapple from the bowl on the counter by just touching the pineapple not the bowl and then went back to bed. Burke could have gotten the pineapple out when he came down to play with the toy. He remembers playing with the toy but not eating the pineapple. He said in his interview with Dr. Phil he can't remember what he ate 20 years ago. I think he got the bowl out before he played with the toy. John came in after and did not know Burke had put the bowl on the counter. None of them knew that JB had snuck downstairs for a minute just to make sure she wasn't missing anything. Kids go to the refrigerator or cabinet all the time and get something to eat. I find my kids making toast downstairs after I think they are in bed. No big deal. I don't think Santa had a tea party with JB. Also when you put one kid to bed and the other one is still up the first kid often gets back up because the sibling is up. how many times do parents carry sleeping kids or babies from a car and put them to bed and they are back up? About 50% of the time in my house. I think the pineapple was a red herring. It was an ordinary bowl of pineapple that 2 kids helped themselves to before bed without the parents knowing. I think that red herring stumped the entire police force.

The pineapple is significant simply because the parents deny any knowledge of it at all. Patsy couldn't remember if she had bought it from the store. You wouldn't buy fresh cut pineapple from the store more than a week before you actually used it. Why on earth would she not remember at least buying the stuff and having it in her refrigerator?

If she was planning to use the pineapple on pancakes during Christmas breakfast - of course she would remember picking it up from the store. It's just the mundane little details like this that make the pineapple significant. She either did or didn't buy any that week - which is it? She's lying about the pineapple. Why?

If someone showed me some random item from my pantry bought within the past year I can about guarantee you that I would remember buying it and probably from which store and whether or not it was on sale when I bought it. I think that most of us can say they same thing.

I've had canned pineapple in my pantry for YEARS. Bought it when the kids were little and finally threw it away after it expired.

If someone showed you the pineapple would you say "Oh my. I don't know how that got there"? Or would you vaguely remember that you bought that back in 2006? Maybe I'm the only one who remembers this stuff?

You do sound either OCD or very cheap, low income.

Not low income although there was a time when I was pretty poor. Maybe that's why I remember these sorts of things? I'm not OCD about any of it, it's just something that I know. I have hundreds of books on my shelf - many I've read, some I haven't. If you ask me "Did this book come from your bookshelf" I could say with a pretty good degree of certainty whether it did or not.

Presumably, you run a household on a smaller scale than Patsy did.