Navy Elementary New Principal

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Anonymous wrote:I think the real issue is that some of the staff don’t like him. There is no safety issue whatsoever - what a crock of sh*t. Then those staff should leave.

To the parents and teachers involved with this effort to smear the new principal’s reputation, have you even once stepped out of your neighborhood echo chamber to see how this effort to take him down for literally doing nothing wrong comes off as racist to most of the Navy community?

You don’t like him, but you can’t articulate one valid reason why. You create a fake security issue to bolster your point and send mass emails to bring him down. This is literally so blatantly racist. Check yourselves.

That is what racists do. They isolate the individual they are targeting, ostracize them and gather up large groups to exclude and demean the individual to the point that they are forced out. Typical bullying racist behavior on the playground or the work world. Fortunately, we live in a day and age where the racists are easily spotted, condemned and called out for their behavior. People are much more savvy today, but a few others think they can still act like this is the 1950s.

I tend to agree with some of this but I can't go along with the racism accusations. These accusations are baseless and take away from your credibility.

Everyone knows who the racists are in the school, community and even our neighborhoods. It’s talked about openly. We don’t need your “credibility” when actions speak for themselves.

Your statement contains no facts in support of your argument.

Okay Matlock.

By the way, what argument are you talking about?

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Anonymous wrote:I think the real issue is that some of the staff don’t like him. There is no safety issue whatsoever - what a crock of sh*t. Then those staff should leave.

To the parents and teachers involved with this effort to smear the new principal’s reputation, have you even once stepped out of your neighborhood echo chamber to see how this effort to take him down for literally doing nothing wrong comes off as racist to most of the Navy community?

You don’t like him, but you can’t articulate one valid reason why. You create a fake security issue to bolster your point and send mass emails to bring him down. This is literally so blatantly racist. Check yourselves.

That is what racists do. They isolate the individual they are targeting, ostracize them and gather up large groups to exclude and demean the individual to the point that they are forced out. Typical bullying racist behavior on the playground or the work world. Fortunately, we live in a day and age where the racists are easily spotted, condemned and called out for their behavior. People are much more savvy today, but a few others think they can still act like this is the 1950s.

I tend to agree with some of this but I can't go along with the racism accusations. These accusations are baseless and take away from your credibility.

Everyone knows who the racists are in the school, community and even our neighborhoods. It’s talked about openly. We don’t need your “credibility” when actions speak for themselves.

Your statement contains no facts in support of your argument.

Neither does the email about Principal Simms-Smith.

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Anonymous wrote:I hear a lot of whining but no legitimate reasons of concern regarding the new principal. He seems present and engaged with the students. Students do really like him and from a parent perspective, I see no issues either.

As for staff morale, they’ve all been complaining of burn out since 2020. TBH most parents are totally over the “burnt out” teacher rhetoric esp at a school like Navy where teachers are spoiled by parents and the PTA well beyond what most other teachers across the district get. Half of them are checked out anyways and maybe it’s better for them to leave if they are not going to properly teach and engage students.

This is a great school for teachers who love to teach. The parents will take care of you like no other school in the area. If you are a teacher you should seek Navy out.

Please stop acting like Starbucks and muffins is spoiling teachers just STOP you sound entitled and condescending. Maybe we should talk about whiny, checked out parents constantly demeaning educators... rumors are NAVY parents are extremely entitled. I'd keep looking teachers!

LOL just Starbucks and muffins? Try $1000s in gift cards over the course of the year for holidays, birthdays and EOY. Try an entire week of teacher appreciation full of daily catered meals, ice cream trucks, coffee stations, dessert bars, entire gift card bouquets, not to mention all the other gifts given independently by students. Try a form filled out by every teacher stating their likes and dislikes so gifts can be bought accordingly.

Parents and the PTA accommodate all of this and much more to keep the teachers happy, but it is unappreciated by some. Navy does have some amazing teachers, but a few of definitely grown complacent and complain nonstop about burn out. It’s time to grow up and be grateful. There are so many other schools in our district who don’t get even a small fraction of the gifts and resources that Navy teachers get.

Maybe they don't want gobs of food and trinkets. Maybe they want you to trust them to do their jobs. Maybe they want you to take all that money and ask them what they want...what they actually need...they can buy their own snacks.

They fill out a wishlist for the PTO for Christ’s sake and have long lists on Amazon for wishlists. Don’t you dare tell me teachers aren’t getting what they want.

Someone higher up said they got 80K worth of projectors. That's pretty cool. I dare you to cut out all the BS snacks and gift cards and only spend PTO money on items to be used for instruction by the teachers for the kids. The lazy ones will always be lazy, can't do much about that, but you can improve how you spend your precious dollars on the others.

"The lazy ones will always be lazy, can't do much about that"

That's the problem! We should be able to do something about that. Instead they go after a new principal. They've shown more dignity and grace towards a drunk driver than to an honest man trying to improve the school for the community. You navy teachers are disgusting. We'll see who shows up at the meeting to take down an innocent man trying to do his job.

Ugh not a Navy teacher but wow....now we know why teachers steer clear of this place. Your behavior is toxic in this post. Hope the principal and poor teachers at this school RUN!

Seriously someone should show this thread to Reid so she knows what her staff is dealing with this is a toxic environment.

Good test scores come with a price

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Anonymous wrote:Anyone planning on attending this meeting? Can we listen in online?

The email asks parents to register and go to a community meeting at another school. This doesn’t seem right at all.

Anyone from the FCPS community is invited to come and that school is the location where the meeting is behind held. It is a community wide event and not specifically for that one school.

Except the email specifically is encouraging Navy families to come and air grievances about the new Navy principal. Shame on whoever is involved.

All this because the new principal isn’t as easily swayed by PTA moms?

I'm not going to paste the email, but it made reference to a couple of recent incidents where there was apparently police involvement but the school community was not notified. I can't verify whether the information is true or not -- I had not heard anything about either incident. It is concerning if true. The other part of the email referred to staff feeling unsupported. That part came off more whiny to me and not something that a parent should be bringing up on behalf of teachers, in my opinion. It makes the teachers look bad. Clearly someone is complaining to parents. Even if you hate your principal that is unprofessional. At Navy the lines between parents and teachers are a little too blurry sometimes. Maybe parents shouldn't be allowed to frequently sub at their kids' own school. You want to make money as a sub, do it somewhere else. Don't do it so you can spy on your kid's school day and get the best teacher placements for your kid.

This gossip shouldn’t be spread in a malicious email like this. This quite frankly is looking more and more like a witch hunt. It honestly all sounds like sour grapes.

For police involvement I was there when the cop interviewed a kid next to the sign in sign out laptop. I think the interview should have taken place somewhere more private.

“Interview”? BS. More like a question.

I can repeat the particulars. The cop was asking questions for the entire 5 min while I waited for my kid.

Had to do with what was said, religion, what classes they had together (6th grade AAP) etc.

So you’d rather it have been more formal in an interrogation room?

No I would have put the child and her mom in an office some where so nobodies like me don't hear their private affairs.

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Anonymous wrote:I think the real issue is that some of the staff don’t like him. There is no safety issue whatsoever - what a crock of sh*t. Then those staff should leave.

To the parents and teachers involved with this effort to smear the new principal’s reputation, have you even once stepped out of your neighborhood echo chamber to see how this effort to take him down for literally doing nothing wrong comes off as racist to most of the Navy community?

You don’t like him, but you can’t articulate one valid reason why. You create a fake security issue to bolster your point and send mass emails to bring him down. This is literally so blatantly racist. Check yourselves.

That is what racists do. They isolate the individual they are targeting, ostracize them and gather up large groups to exclude and demean the individual to the point that they are forced out. Typical bullying racist behavior on the playground or the work world. Fortunately, we live in a day and age where the racists are easily spotted, condemned and called out for their behavior. People are much more savvy today, but a few others think they can still act like this is the 1950s.

I tend to agree with some of this but I can't go along with the racism accusations. These accusations are baseless and take away from your credibility.

Everyone knows who the racists are in the school, community and even our neighborhoods. It’s talked about openly. We don’t need your “credibility” when actions speak for themselves.

Your statement contains no facts in support of your argument.

Neither does the email about Principal Simms-Smith.

Matlock here (whoever called me that must be real old). The PP's statement (that the allegations concerning the principal are due to racism) is not based on any known facts. Just that "we all know who the racists are in the community." No we really don't and neither do you. There is no proof of racism and the person that sent the email is a POC herself. Similarly devoid of facts, is the email that circulated around. Neither are ripe with any factual information whatsoever. I will listen to neither.

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Anonymous wrote:Anyone planning on attending this meeting? Can we listen in online?

The email asks parents to register and go to a community meeting at another school. This doesn’t seem right at all.

Anyone from the FCPS community is invited to come and that school is the location where the meeting is behind held. It is a community wide event and not specifically for that one school.

Except the email specifically is encouraging Navy families to come and air grievances about the new Navy principal. Shame on whoever is involved.

All this because the new principal isn’t as easily swayed by PTA moms?

I'm not going to paste the email, but it made reference to a couple of recent incidents where there was apparently police involvement but the school community was not notified. I can't verify whether the information is true or not -- I had not heard anything about either incident. It is concerning if true. The other part of the email referred to staff feeling unsupported. That part came off more whiny to me and not something that a parent should be bringing up on behalf of teachers, in my opinion. It makes the teachers look bad. Clearly someone is complaining to parents. Even if you hate your principal that is unprofessional. At Navy the lines between parents and teachers are a little too blurry sometimes. Maybe parents shouldn't be allowed to frequently sub at their kids' own school. You want to make money as a sub, do it somewhere else. Don't do it so you can spy on your kid's school day and get the best teacher placements for your kid.

This gossip shouldn’t be spread in a malicious email like this. This quite frankly is looking more and more like a witch hunt. It honestly all sounds like sour grapes.

For police involvement I was there when the cop interviewed a kid next to the sign in sign out laptop. I think the interview should have taken place somewhere more private.

“Interview”? BS. More like a question.

I can repeat the particulars. The cop was asking questions for the entire 5 min while I waited for my kid.

Had to do with what was said, religion, what classes they had together (6th grade AAP) etc.

I still fail to see how that shows we need a new principal. Our current one is fantastic.

Communications could be better. I don't think any info went out about the drone incident either.

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Anonymous wrote:I think the real issue is that some of the staff don’t like him. There is no safety issue whatsoever - what a crock of sh*t. Then those staff should leave.

To the parents and teachers involved with this effort to smear the new principal’s reputation, have you even once stepped out of your neighborhood echo chamber to see how this effort to take him down for literally doing nothing wrong comes off as racist to most of the Navy community?

You don’t like him, but you can’t articulate one valid reason why. You create a fake security issue to bolster your point and send mass emails to bring him down. This is literally so blatantly racist. Check yourselves.

That is what racists do. They isolate the individual they are targeting, ostracize them and gather up large groups to exclude and demean the individual to the point that they are forced out. Typical bullying racist behavior on the playground or the work world. Fortunately, we live in a day and age where the racists are easily spotted, condemned and called out for their behavior. People are much more savvy today, but a few others think they can still act like this is the 1950s.

I tend to agree with some of this but I can't go along with the racism accusations. These accusations are baseless and take away from your credibility.

Everyone knows who the racists are in the school, community and even our neighborhoods. It’s talked about openly. We don’t need your “credibility” when actions speak for themselves.

Your statement contains no facts in support of your argument.

Neither does the email about Principal Simms-Smith.

Matlock here (whoever called me that must be real old). The PP's statement (that the allegations concerning the principal are due to racism) is not based on any known facts. Just that "we all know who the racists are in the community." No we really don't and neither do you. There is no proof of racism and the person that sent the email is a POC herself. Similarly devoid of facts, is the email that circulated around. Neither are ripe with any factual information whatsoever. I will listen to neither.

I think you were called Matlock to mock you for being such dum-dum. Just sayin.

People do know who the bigots in their community are ... its obvious to anyone who pays attention. Just look at how parents and teachers stood up and had their voices heard for a man that could have killed someone with his car smashing into someone's house while throwing back a ton of alcohol. But the new principal gets greeted with torches and pitchforks at another schools meeting??!?! The last 2 sentences are facts. If you "will listen to neither" then why are you on this thread posting? Did the "racists in the neighborhood" comment hit a little too close to home for you Matlock?

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Interesting theory! This is just so hard to follow…. You can’t have it both ways… have teachers who are complaining and don’t want to teach and are lazy …. And have such great teachers who are so wonderful other schools are trying to poach them.

Btw … I only have one child at Navy and we love his current teacher!

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No one is trying to poach Navy teachers. Some birdbrain wrote that about Saboteurs.

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Anonymous wrote:No one is trying to poach Navy teachers. Some birdbrain wrote that about Saboteurs.

+1 lol the idea that anyone would try to poach Navy teachers is ludicrous…lol

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Anonymous wrote:Interesting theory! This is just so hard to follow…. You can’t have it both ways… have teachers who are complaining and don’t want to teach and are lazy …. And have such great teachers who are so wonderful other schools are trying to poach them.

Btw … I only have one child at Navy and we love his current teacher!

I’m going to guess it’s probably a younger grade then.

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Anonymous wrote:I think the real issue is that some of the staff don’t like him. There is no safety issue whatsoever - what a crock of sh*t. Then those staff should leave.

To the parents and teachers involved with this effort to smear the new principal’s reputation, have you even once stepped out of your neighborhood echo chamber to see how this effort to take him down for literally doing nothing wrong comes off as racist to most of the Navy community?

You don’t like him, but you can’t articulate one valid reason why. You create a fake security issue to bolster your point and send mass emails to bring him down. This is literally so blatantly racist. Check yourselves.

That is what racists do. They isolate the individual they are targeting, ostracize them and gather up large groups to exclude and demean the individual to the point that they are forced out. Typical bullying racist behavior on the playground or the work world. Fortunately, we live in a day and age where the racists are easily spotted, condemned and called out for their behavior. People are much more savvy today, but a few others think they can still act like this is the 1950s.

I tend to agree with some of this but I can't go along with the racism accusations. These accusations are baseless and take away from your credibility.

Everyone knows who the racists are in the school, community and even our neighborhoods. It’s talked about openly. We don’t need your “credibility” when actions speak for themselves.

Your statement contains no facts in support of your argument.

Neither does the email about Principal Simms-Smith.

Matlock here (whoever called me that must be real old). The PP's statement (that the allegations concerning the principal are due to racism) is not based on any known facts. Just that "we all know who the racists are in the community." No we really don't and neither do you. There is no proof of racism and the person that sent the email is a POC herself. Similarly devoid of facts, is the email that circulated around. Neither are ripe with any factual information whatsoever. I will listen to neither.

I think you were called Matlock to mock you for being such dum-dum. Just sayin.

People do know who the bigots in their community are ... its obvious to anyone who pays attention. Just look at how parents and teachers stood up and had their voices heard for a man that could have killed someone with his car smashing into someone's house while throwing back a ton of alcohol. But the new principal gets greeted with torches and pitchforks at another schools meeting??!?! The last 2 sentences are facts. If you "will listen to neither" then why are you on this thread posting? Did the "racists in the neighborhood" comment hit a little too close to home for you Matlock?

Bingo. The only reason they wanted him back was to make their lives easier. They were used to coasting without supervision. As a result, their teaching suffered.

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Anonymous wrote:I think the real issue is that some of the staff don’t like him. There is no safety issue whatsoever - what a crock of sh*t. Then those staff should leave.

To the parents and teachers involved with this effort to smear the new principal’s reputation, have you even once stepped out of your neighborhood echo chamber to see how this effort to take him down for literally doing nothing wrong comes off as racist to most of the Navy community?

You don’t like him, but you can’t articulate one valid reason why. You create a fake security issue to bolster your point and send mass emails to bring him down. This is literally so blatantly racist. Check yourselves.

That is what racists do. They isolate the individual they are targeting, ostracize them and gather up large groups to exclude and demean the individual to the point that they are forced out. Typical bullying racist behavior on the playground or the work world. Fortunately, we live in a day and age where the racists are easily spotted, condemned and called out for their behavior. People are much more savvy today, but a few others think they can still act like this is the 1950s.

I tend to agree with some of this but I can't go along with the racism accusations. These accusations are baseless and take away from your credibility.

Everyone knows who the racists are in the school, community and even our neighborhoods. It’s talked about openly. We don’t need your “credibility” when actions speak for themselves.

Your statement contains no facts in support of your argument.

Neither does the email about Principal Simms-Smith.

Matlock here (whoever called me that must be real old). The PP's statement (that the allegations concerning the principal are due to racism) is not based on any known facts. Just that "we all know who the racists are in the community." No we really don't and neither do you. There is no proof of racism and the person that sent the email is a POC herself. Similarly devoid of facts, is the email that circulated around. Neither are ripe with any factual information whatsoever. I will listen to neither.

Well now you’ve gone ahead and confirmed my suspicions. I hope she will no longer be able to sub at Navy.

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Anonymous wrote:Interesting theory! This is just so hard to follow…. You can’t have it both ways… have teachers who are complaining and don’t want to teach and are lazy …. And have such great teachers who are so wonderful other schools are trying to poach them.

Btw … I only have one child at Navy and we love his current teacher!

I’m going to guess it’s probably a younger grade then.

+1000 That’s a fact! Lol

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This thread is full of such ugliness! Many of you should give up your IT jobs and go into mind reading because you seem to know what everyone is thinking. I say that in the nicest possible way. Someone should shut down this thread. Your points would be made clearer if you stopped the nastiness. Sadly, some of you will never be happy, so you might want to try private school. I hope this can be solved in a more positive way and that the community as a whole can work to make everyone happy.