Navy Elementary New Principal

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Anonymous wrote:I think the real issue is that some of the staff don’t like him. There is no safety issue whatsoever - what a crock of sh*t. Then those staff should leave.

To the parents and teachers involved with this effort to smear the new principal’s reputation, have you even once stepped out of your neighborhood echo chamber to see how this effort to take him down for literally doing nothing wrong comes off as racist to most of the Navy community?

You don’t like him, but you can’t articulate one valid reason why. You create a fake security issue to bolster your point and send mass emails to bring him down. This is literally so blatantly racist. Check yourselves.

That is what racists do. They isolate the individual they are targeting, ostracize them and gather up large groups to exclude and demean the individual to the point that they are forced out. Typical bullying racist behavior on the playground or the work world. Fortunately, we live in a day and age where the racists are easily spotted, condemned and called out for their behavior. People are much more savvy today, but a few others think they can still act like this is the 1950s.

I tend to agree with some of this but I can't go along with the racism accusations. These accusations are baseless and take away from your credibility.

Everyone knows who the racists are in the school, community and even our neighborhoods. It’s talked about openly. We don’t need your “credibility” when actions speak for themselves.

Your statement contains no facts in support of your argument.

Neither does the email about Principal Simms-Smith.

Matlock here (whoever called me that must be real old). The PP's statement (that the allegations concerning the principal are due to racism) is not based on any known facts. Just that "we all know who the racists are in the community." No we really don't and neither do you. There is no proof of racism and the person that sent the email is a POC herself. Similarly devoid of facts, is the email that circulated around. Neither are ripe with any factual information whatsoever. I will listen to neither.

I think you were called Matlock to mock you for being such dum-dum. Just sayin.

People do know who the bigots in their community are ... its obvious to anyone who pays attention. Just look at how parents and teachers stood up and had their voices heard for a man that could have killed someone with his car smashing into someone's house while throwing back a ton of alcohol. But the new principal gets greeted with torches and pitchforks at another schools meeting??!?! The last 2 sentences are facts. If you "will listen to neither" then why are you on this thread posting? Did the "racists in the neighborhood" comment hit a little too close to home for you Matlock?

Bingo. The only reason they wanted him back was to make their lives easier. They were used to coasting without supervision. As a result, their teaching suffered.

And our children continue to suffer their laziness. Every night we have to do homework and teach the material ourselves to our DC because the material IS NOT TAUGHT IN CLASS. The children are expected to stay focused but the teacher gives them nothing to focus on and then they yell at them. I guess having 20 weeks off a year is not enough to ease their bad attitudes.

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Anonymous wrote:Anyone planning on attending this meeting? Can we listen in online?

The email asks parents to register and go to a community meeting at another school. This doesn’t seem right at all.

Anyone from the FCPS community is invited to come and that school is the location where the meeting is behind held. It is a community wide event and not specifically for that one school.

Except the email specifically is encouraging Navy families to come and air grievances about the new Navy principal. Shame on whoever is involved.

All this because the new principal isn’t as easily swayed by PTA moms?

I'm not going to paste the email, but it made reference to a couple of recent incidents where there was apparently police involvement but the school community was not notified. I can't verify whether the information is true or not -- I had not heard anything about either incident. It is concerning if true. The other part of the email referred to staff feeling unsupported. That part came off more whiny to me and not something that a parent should be bringing up on behalf of teachers, in my opinion. It makes the teachers look bad. Clearly someone is complaining to parents. Even if you hate your principal that is unprofessional. At Navy the lines between parents and teachers are a little too blurry sometimes. Maybe parents shouldn't be allowed to frequently sub at their kids' own school. You want to make money as a sub, do it somewhere else. Don't do it so you can spy on your kid's school day and get the best teacher placements for your kid.

This gossip shouldn’t be spread in a malicious email like this. This quite frankly is looking more and more like a witch hunt. It honestly all sounds like sour grapes.

For police involvement I was there when the cop interviewed a kid next to the sign in sign out laptop. I think the interview should have taken place somewhere more private.

“Interview”? BS. More like a question.

I can repeat the particulars. The cop was asking questions for the entire 5 min while I waited for my kid.

Had to do with what was said, religion, what classes they had together (6th grade AAP) etc.

I still fail to see how that shows we need a new principal. Our current one is fantastic.

Communications could be better. I don't think any info went out about the drone incident either.

Drone incident??

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Anonymous wrote:I think the real issue is that some of the staff don’t like him. There is no safety issue whatsoever - what a crock of sh*t. Then those staff should leave.

To the parents and teachers involved with this effort to smear the new principal’s reputation, have you even once stepped out of your neighborhood echo chamber to see how this effort to take him down for literally doing nothing wrong comes off as racist to most of the Navy community?

You don’t like him, but you can’t articulate one valid reason why. You create a fake security issue to bolster your point and send mass emails to bring him down. This is literally so blatantly racist. Check yourselves.

That is what racists do. They isolate the individual they are targeting, ostracize them and gather up large groups to exclude and demean the individual to the point that they are forced out. Typical bullying racist behavior on the playground or the work world. Fortunately, we live in a day and age where the racists are easily spotted, condemned and called out for their behavior. People are much more savvy today, but a few others think they can still act like this is the 1950s.

I tend to agree with some of this but I can't go along with the racism accusations. These accusations are baseless and take away from your credibility.

Everyone knows who the racists are in the school, community and even our neighborhoods. It’s talked about openly. We don’t need your “credibility” when actions speak for themselves.

Your statement contains no facts in support of your argument.

Neither does the email about Principal Simms-Smith.

Matlock here (whoever called me that must be real old). The PP's statement (that the allegations concerning the principal are due to racism) is not based on any known facts. Just that "we all know who the racists are in the community." No we really don't and neither do you. There is no proof of racism and the person that sent the email is a POC herself. Similarly devoid of facts, is the email that circulated around. Neither are ripe with any factual information whatsoever. I will listen to neither.

I think you were called Matlock to mock you for being such dum-dum. Just sayin.

People do know who the bigots in their community are ... its obvious to anyone who pays attention. Just look at how parents and teachers stood up and had their voices heard for a man that could have killed someone with his car smashing into someone's house while throwing back a ton of alcohol. But the new principal gets greeted with torches and pitchforks at another schools meeting??!?! The last 2 sentences are facts. If you "will listen to neither" then why are you on this thread posting? Did the "racists in the neighborhood" comment hit a little too close to home for you Matlock?

Bingo. The only reason they wanted him back was to make their lives easier. They were used to coasting without supervision. As a result, their teaching suffered.

And our children continue to suffer their laziness. Every night we have to do homework and teach the material ourselves to our DC because the material IS NOT TAUGHT IN CLASS. The children are expected to stay focused but the teacher gives them nothing to focus on and then they yell at them. I guess having 20 weeks off a year is not enough to ease their bad attitudes.

What grade?

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Anonymous wrote:I think the real issue is that some of the staff don’t like him. There is no safety issue whatsoever - what a crock of sh*t. Then those staff should leave.

To the parents and teachers involved with this effort to smear the new principal’s reputation, have you even once stepped out of your neighborhood echo chamber to see how this effort to take him down for literally doing nothing wrong comes off as racist to most of the Navy community?

No you weirdo. I don't even know why they want to get rid of him. I was just saying there must be a reason other than racism because that is stupid.

You don’t like him, but you can’t articulate one valid reason why. You create a fake security issue to bolster your point and send mass emails to bring him down. This is literally so blatantly racist. Check yourselves.

That is what racists do. They isolate the individual they are targeting, ostracize them and gather up large groups to exclude and demean the individual to the point that they are forced out. Typical bullying racist behavior on the playground or the work world. Fortunately, we live in a day and age where the racists are easily spotted, condemned and called out for their behavior. People are much more savvy today, but a few others think they can still act like this is the 1950s.

I tend to agree with some of this but I can't go along with the racism accusations. These accusations are baseless and take away from your credibility.

Everyone knows who the racists are in the school, community and even our neighborhoods. It’s talked about openly. We don’t need your “credibility” when actions speak for themselves.

Your statement contains no facts in support of your argument.

Neither does the email about Principal Simms-Smith.

Matlock here (whoever called me that must be real old). The PP's statement (that the allegations concerning the principal are due to racism) is not based on any known facts. Just that "we all know who the racists are in the community." No we really don't and neither do you. There is no proof of racism and the person that sent the email is a POC herself. Similarly devoid of facts, is the email that circulated around. Neither are ripe with any factual information whatsoever. I will listen to neither.

I think you were called Matlock to mock you for being such dum-dum. Just sayin.

People do know who the bigots in their community are ... its obvious to anyone who pays attention. Just look at how parents and teachers stood up and had their voices heard for a man that could have killed someone with his car smashing into someone's house while throwing back a ton of alcohol. But the new principal gets greeted with torches and pitchforks at another schools meeting??!?! The last 2 sentences are facts. If you "will listen to neither" then why are you on this thread posting? Did the "racists in the neighborhood" comment hit a little too close to home for you Matlock?

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Anonymous wrote:This thread is full of such ugliness! Many of you should give up your IT jobs and go into mind reading because you seem to know what everyone is thinking. I say that in the nicest possible way. Someone should shut down this thread. Your points would be made clearer if you stopped the nastiness. Sadly, some of you will never be happy, so you might want to try private school. I hope this can be solved in a more positive way and that the community as a whole can work to make everyone happy.

Positivity goes both ways. The appropriate way to address any real problems with a boss is to go to HR or his boss. Or leave gracefully. You’re not supposed to burn bridges when leaving a job.

Instead, certain teachers and parents took it upon themselves to make up bogus problems, initiate mass email threads to parents and falsely accuse someone of wrongdoing. Now they want to hijack a meeting at a different school to complain about said fake problems. Those parents and teachers got called out for what it is they are doing and now suddenly ppl are asking for an amicable resolution. Did you ask for that when you got the mass email or did you forward it along?

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Anonymous wrote:This thread is full of such ugliness! Many of you should give up your IT jobs and go into mind reading because you seem to know what everyone is thinking. I say that in the nicest possible way. Someone should shut down this thread. Your points would be made clearer if you stopped the nastiness. Sadly, some of you will never be happy, so you might want to try private school. I hope this can be solved in a more positive way and that the community as a whole can work to make everyone happy.

No, this thread is full of truth. The ugliness is you teachers trying to get an innocent black man fired. You should give up your teaching job and go into being a full-time professional social media whiner.

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Anonymous wrote:This thread is full of such ugliness! Many of you should give up your IT jobs and go into mind reading because you seem to know what everyone is thinking. I say that in the nicest possible way. Someone should shut down this thread. Your points would be made clearer if you stopped the nastiness. Sadly, some of you will never be happy, so you might want to try private school. I hope this can be solved in a more positive way and that the community as a whole can work to make everyone happy.

No, this thread is full of truth. The ugliness is you teachers trying to get an innocent black man fired. You should give up your teaching job and go into being a full-time professional social media whiner.

+1 this thread shouldn’t be shut down. The only ones who want it shut down are the ones who now realize they could get in trouble when Dr. Reid finds out. Hope none of the teachers were using the school’s wifi to post here as it can be traced.

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Anonymous wrote:This thread is full of such ugliness! Many of you should give up your IT jobs and go into mind reading because you seem to know what everyone is thinking. I say that in the nicest possible way. Someone should shut down this thread. Your points would be made clearer if you stopped the nastiness. Sadly, some of you will never be happy, so you might want to try private school. I hope this can be solved in a more positive way and that the community as a whole can work to make everyone happy.

Positivity goes both ways. The appropriate way to address any real problems with a boss is to go to HR or his boss. Or leave gracefully. You’re not supposed to burn bridges when leaving a job.

Instead, certain teachers and parents took it upon themselves to make up bogus problems, initiate mass email threads to parents and falsely accuse someone of wrongdoing. Now they want to hijack a meeting at a different school to complain about said fake problems. Those parents and teachers got called out for what it is they are doing and now suddenly ppl are asking for an amicable resolution. Did you ask for that when you got the mass email or did you forward it along?

This exactly. Everyone sees through the fake email. And to the sub who forwarded it, you are despicable and have no place teaching our children at Navy.

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Anonymous wrote:This thread is full of such ugliness! Many of you should give up your IT jobs and go into mind reading because you seem to know what everyone is thinking. I say that in the nicest possible way. Someone should shut down this thread. Your points would be made clearer if you stopped the nastiness. Sadly, some of you will never be happy, so you might want to try private school. I hope this can be solved in a more positive way and that the community as a whole can work to make everyone happy.

Positivity goes both ways. The appropriate way to address any real problems with a boss is to go to HR or his boss. Or leave gracefully. You’re not supposed to burn bridges when leaving a job.

Instead, certain teachers and parents took it upon themselves to make up bogus problems, initiate mass email threads to parents and falsely accuse someone of wrongdoing. Now they want to hijack a meeting at a different school to complain about said fake problems. Those parents and teachers got called out for what it is they are doing and now suddenly ppl are asking for an amicable resolution. Did you ask for that when you got the mass email or did you forward it along?

This exactly. Everyone sees through the fake email. And to the sub who forwarded it, you are despicable and have no place teaching our children at Navy.

And you’ve also been reported to Principal Simms-Smith.

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Anonymous wrote:This thread is full of such ugliness! Many of you should give up your IT jobs and go into mind reading because you seem to know what everyone is thinking. I say that in the nicest possible way. Someone should shut down this thread. Your points would be made clearer if you stopped the nastiness. Sadly, some of you will never be happy, so you might want to try private school. I hope this can be solved in a more positive way and that the community as a whole can work to make everyone happy.

No, this thread is full of truth. The ugliness is you teachers trying to get an innocent black man fired. You should give up your teaching job and go into being a full-time professional social media whiner.

+1 this thread shouldn’t be shut down. The only ones who want it shut down are the ones who now realize they could get in trouble when Dr. Reid finds out. Hope none of the teachers were using the school’s wifi to post here as it can be traced.

Yeah! Score one for the IT workers!

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Anonymous wrote:This thread is full of such ugliness! Many of you should give up your IT jobs and go into mind reading because you seem to know what everyone is thinking. I say that in the nicest possible way. Someone should shut down this thread. Your points would be made clearer if you stopped the nastiness. Sadly, some of you will never be happy, so you might want to try private school. I hope this can be solved in a more positive way and that the community as a whole can work to make everyone happy.

No, this thread is full of truth. The ugliness is you teachers trying to get an innocent black man fired. You should give up your teaching job and go into being a full-time professional social media whiner.

+1 this thread shouldn’t be shut down. The only ones who want it shut down are the ones who now realize they could get in trouble when Dr. Reid finds out. Hope none of the teachers were using the school’s wifi to post here as it can be traced.

Yeah! Score one for the IT workers!

LOL. Good one!

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Anonymous wrote:I think the real issue is that some of the staff don’t like him. There is no safety issue whatsoever - what a crock of sh*t. Then those staff should leave.

To the parents and teachers involved with this effort to smear the new principal’s reputation, have you even once stepped out of your neighborhood echo chamber to see how this effort to take him down for literally doing nothing wrong comes off as racist to most of the Navy community?

You don’t like him, but you can’t articulate one valid reason why. You create a fake security issue to bolster your point and send mass emails to bring him down. This is literally so blatantly racist. Check yourselves.

That is what racists do. They isolate the individual they are targeting, ostracize them and gather up large groups to exclude and demean the individual to the point that they are forced out. Typical bullying racist behavior on the playground or the work world. Fortunately, we live in a day and age where the racists are easily spotted, condemned and called out for their behavior. People are much more savvy today, but a few others think they can still act like this is the 1950s.

I tend to agree with some of this but I can't go along with the racism accusations. These accusations are baseless and take away from your credibility.

Everyone knows who the racists are in the school, community and even our neighborhoods. It’s talked about openly. We don’t need your “credibility” when actions speak for themselves.

Your statement contains no facts in support of your argument.

Neither does the email about Principal Simms-Smith.

Matlock here (whoever called me that must be real old). The PP's statement (that the allegations concerning the principal are due to racism) is not based on any known facts. Just that "we all know who the racists are in the community." No we really don't and neither do you. There is no proof of racism and the person that sent the email is a POC herself. Similarly devoid of facts, is the email that circulated around. Neither are ripe with any factual information whatsoever. I will listen to neither.

I think you were called Matlock to mock you for being such dum-dum. Just sayin.

People do know who the bigots in their community are ... its obvious to anyone who pays attention. Just look at how parents and teachers stood up and had their voices heard for a man that could have killed someone with his car smashing into someone's house while throwing back a ton of alcohol. But the new principal gets greeted with torches and pitchforks at another schools meeting??!?! The last 2 sentences are facts. If you "will listen to neither" then why are you on this thread posting? Did the "racists in the neighborhood" comment hit a little too close to home for you Matlock?

Bingo. The only reason they wanted him back was to make their lives easier. They were used to coasting without supervision. As a result, their teaching suffered.

And our children continue to suffer their laziness. Every night we have to do homework and teach the material ourselves to our DC because the material IS NOT TAUGHT IN CLASS. The children are expected to stay focused but the teacher gives them nothing to focus on and then they yell at them. I guess having 20 weeks off a year is not enough to ease their bad attitudes.

What grade?

I'm not looking to give specifics on which teacher(s). Not looking to directly hurt anyone (unlike what they are trying to do to the principal). I just wish they would actually teach our children with the same level of effort they did before the pandemic.

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Do we know for sure who wrote that email? The email I received looked like it was forwarded from the sub, but did it originate from her? I was told it did not. Either way, she forwarded an email filled with unsubstantiated claims to pretty big group of parents, which is completely unprofessional IMO. And she is old enough to know better. If a student forwarded an email like that spreading the same kind of rumors about another person, they could be suspended for bullying. I think staff should be held to those same standards.

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Anonymous wrote:I hear a lot of whining but no legitimate reasons of concern regarding the new principal. He seems present and engaged with the students. Students do really like him and from a parent perspective, I see no issues either.

As for staff morale, they’ve all been complaining of burn out since 2020. TBH most parents are totally over the “burnt out” teacher rhetoric esp at a school like Navy where teachers are spoiled by parents and the PTA well beyond what most other teachers across the district get. Half of them are checked out anyways and maybe it’s better for them to leave if they are not going to properly teach and engage students.

This is a great school for teachers who love to teach. The parents will take care of you like no other school in the area. If you are a teacher you should seek Navy out.

Please stop acting like Starbucks and muffins is spoiling teachers just STOP you sound entitled and condescending. Maybe we should talk about whiny, checked out parents constantly demeaning educators... rumors are NAVY parents are extremely entitled. I'd keep looking teachers!

LOL just Starbucks and muffins? Try $1000s in gift cards over the course of the year for holidays, birthdays and EOY. Try an entire week of teacher appreciation full of daily catered meals, ice cream trucks, coffee stations, dessert bars, entire gift card bouquets, not to mention all the other gifts given independently by students. Try a form filled out by every teacher stating their likes and dislikes so gifts can be bought accordingly.

Parents and the PTA accommodate all of this and much more to keep the teachers happy, but it is unappreciated by some. Navy does have some amazing teachers, but a few of definitely grown complacent and complain nonstop about burn out. It’s time to grow up and be grateful. There are so many other schools in our district who don’t get even a small fraction of the gifts and resources that Navy teachers get.

Maybe they don't want gobs of food and trinkets. Maybe they want you to trust them to do their jobs. Maybe they want you to take all that money and ask them what they want...what they actually need...they can buy their own snacks.

They fill out a wishlist for the PTO for Christ’s sake and have long lists on Amazon for wishlists. Don’t you dare tell me teachers aren’t getting what they want.

Someone higher up said they got 80K worth of projectors. That's pretty cool. I dare you to cut out all the BS snacks and gift cards and only spend PTO money on items to be used for instruction by the teachers for the kids. The lazy ones will always be lazy, can't do much about that, but you can improve how you spend your precious dollars on the others.

"The lazy ones will always be lazy, can't do much about that"

That's the problem! We should be able to do something about that. Instead they go after a new principal. They've shown more dignity and grace towards a drunk driver than to an honest man trying to improve the school for the community. You navy teachers are disgusting. We'll see who shows up at the meeting to take down an innocent man trying to do his job.

Ugh not a Navy teacher but wow....now we know why teachers steer clear of this place. Your behavior is toxic in this post. Hope the principal and poor teachers at this school RUN!

Seriously someone should show this thread to Reid so she knows what her staff is dealing with this is a toxic environment.

Good test scores come with a price

Good test scores are coming from the parents. Parents in the navy community care deeply for their kids education and will supplement the flailing teachings of sour bitter checked out teachers.

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Anonymous wrote:Do we know for sure who wrote that email? The email I received looked like it was forwarded from the sub, but did it originate from her? I was told it did not. Either way, she forwarded an email filled with unsubstantiated claims to pretty big group of parents, which is completely unprofessional IMO. And she is old enough to know better. If a student forwarded an email like that spreading the same kind of rumors about another person, they could be suspended for bullying. I think staff should be held to those same standards.

I was wondering that too. I don't see a chain of forwards on the email, which makes it look like she is the one who originated it. Not a good look even if she just copied the message and sent it out. Like what are you thinking as someone who has been employed by FCPS. I also know at least one other FCPS employee who forwarded it. Like how poor is your judgment that you think that was a good idea. These people are lucky there's such a shortage. This behavior would get you fired anywhere else.