Airplane noise concerns overblown?

[Anonymous]

Sensitivity to background noise positively correlates to IQ/G - the data are pretty solid. It's fun to read this thread through that filter.

[Anonymous]

Why are you still active? You’ve been proven wrong time and again. No, the DMV and DC airplane noise is not overblown, no you shouldn’t live under a flight path and no you shouldn’t call many people who told the “plane-ly” observable truths cognitively deficient and “a clearly very bothered individual”.

This thread is a massive own goal and I’ve enjoyed every page.

[Anonymous]

This isn’t meant for the PP on 58, it’s meant for the last poster on 57 who is the OP

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:It’s weird to me that the palisades and surrounding neighborhoods have never mentioned Anacostia and Southern PG as similarly affected, even though the flight pattern often has low flying planes in that direction.

So weird they don’t seem to care about these communities. I wonder why that is…

Just reading this thread and the comments from 2023. What an excellent point and how very relevant right now.
Probably part of the reason is that PG county government seems to be asleep at the wheel so others feel they don't have to care either. Pg county residents deserve better.

Yes. When Vianair did the community survey the smallest number of respondents came from Accokeek! I am sure they did not realize how important it was because there was probably no proper outreach by the county. It is sad.
https://www.vianair.com/soa/wp-content/uploads/2024/09/SOA-Community-Survey-Results-Summary-v090224.pdf

I have not seen any information about the community meetings yet but the plan is to have everything finalized and sent to the FAA by mid march. We may witnessing the fastest public process ever.

Just like in the case of PG County there was not much outreach in Fairfax County so it appears that most of the respondents to the survey came from Alexandria. Very few responses were submitted from Fairfax including Mount Vernon and from PG Co including Accokeek. It is here:

"Jim Allerdice provides updates on the progress of the survey and upcoming public meetings, mentions that Alexandria is the only jurisdiction that has pushed
information out so far."
https://www.vianair.com/soa/wp-content/uploads/2024/08/DCA-SoA-Committee-Design-Team-Meeting-8-Summary-20240515-FINAL.pdf

The consultant appears to want to do everything correctly which is good, but I would not trust anybody on that Working Group knowing what I know about how all the changes were handled by Montgomery County. Perhaps others on the Working Group were not directly responsible but they acted as enablers at the very least.

I don't think any FAA employee who wants to keep their job will take this on right now so perhaps nothing will be happening for a while. If anybody has any additional info they should let us know.

[Anonymous]

I've been listening to the planes all night while trying to read. It's miserable. Tried talking to "the working group" and basically was gaslighted that this noise is all in my head.

I appreciated the PP who said that he hears it and his wife doesn't. Same. Doesn't bother my husband in the least because he's a little hard of hearing at 67. He wants to move to Georgetown (even worse than our neighborhood) and I told him to forget it.

I think the only solution is to drastically scale down the number of flights in and out of DCA.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I've been listening to the planes all night while trying to read. It's miserable. Tried talking to "the working group" and basically was gaslighted that this noise is all in my head.

I appreciated the PP who said that he hears it and his wife doesn't. Same. Doesn't bother my husband in the least because he's a little hard of hearing at 67. He wants to move to Georgetown (even worse than our neighborhood) and I told him to forget it.

I think the only solution is to drastically scale down the number of flights in and out of DCA.

I don't think they fly in a line over Georgetown. hardly every plane flies over Gtown. They fly in lines over residential suburban areas in MD and VA. If you have a line of planes over your area it can be hours of noise with no break because once the noise from one plane diminishes a few seconds later there is another. It's draining and incredibly disturbing because it's not like white noise from a regular highway even if it's not deafening. It's not like background noise and the pitch/frequency is disturbing to human brains.

[Anonymous]

And Palisades, Foxhall and Kent, in a line after long line 20/24 7/7

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I've been listening to the planes all night while trying to read. It's miserable. Tried talking to "the working group" and basically was gaslighted that this noise is all in my head.

I appreciated the PP who said that he hears it and his wife doesn't. Same. Doesn't bother my husband in the least because he's a little hard of hearing at 67. He wants to move to Georgetown (even worse than our neighborhood) and I told him to forget it.

I think the only solution is to drastically scale down the number of flights in and out of DCA.

I don't think they fly in a line over Georgetown. hardly every plane flies over Gtown. They fly in lines over residential suburban areas in MD and VA. If you have a line of planes over your area it can be hours of noise with no break because once the noise from one plane diminishes a few seconds later there is another. It's draining and incredibly disturbing because it's not like white noise from a regular highway even if it's not deafening. It's not like background noise and the pitch/frequency is disturbing to human brains.

They don't have to fly in a line over Georgetown. They turn at low altitudes over Georgetown which is even worse. In MD they are much, much higher. The noise is not as intense in MD.

The Montgomery County folks on the Working Group are also gaslighting residents. They shift flight paths to other communities like dispersing the arrivals while claiming "no increase in noise for anyone". If those flights are silent why move them out of your own neighborhood in the first place. All that being done without any consultation with any other residents of Montgomery County. They will tell you you are imagining seeing or hearing the planes closer or louder.

[Anonymous]

Palisades these days always looks a bit hazy and grimy even on nice days. The planes are low and incessant. It’s really just terrible what that nice neighborhood has become due to the flight path

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Palisades these days always looks a bit hazy and grimy even on nice days. The planes are low and incessant. It’s really just terrible what that nice neighborhood has become due to the flight path

+1. I went to GDS middle school (now macurther high school) and I don't remember it being like this back then. Now it is an absolute monstrosity. Who thought it was a good idea to put one of the busiest airways in the middle of a major city and keep it operating after we have conclusive evidence that it causes cancer?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I've been listening to the planes all night while trying to read. It's miserable. Tried talking to "the working group" and basically was gaslighted that this noise is all in my head.

I appreciated the PP who said that he hears it and his wife doesn't. Same. Doesn't bother my husband in the least because he's a little hard of hearing at 67. He wants to move to Georgetown (even worse than our neighborhood) and I told him to forget it.

I think the only solution is to drastically scale down the number of flights in and out of DCA.

Speaking of gaslighting on the Working Group, here's an email sent by the Montgomery County reps to a resident who observed that the change in the flight path pushed through by the Working Group shifted airplanes closer to other communities. The Working Group reps claim it is not possible for the human eye to notice that. Here's their e-mail:

"determining the location (ground track) from the ground by a single observer is next to impossible. The observer would need a theodolite and would have to work in concert with other observers, also with theodolites. There are so many factors working against s single observer, the best that can be done is to get a casual idea of what’s going on.

For example, it would be natural to look at which way the nose of the aircraft is pointing and assume that’s the direction it is flying. However, that’s not the case. The winds can cause the pilot to turn the plane into the direction of the wind to maintain course.
(similar to a boat on a lake). This presents a confusing picture from the ground.

Also, it's hard to distinguish distance to the plane — simply because our personal reference frame can’t deal with how big the planes are. Through our life we get pretty good at it because we naturally get trained to the size of things - people, cars, horses, etc. and their distance from us. The average person doesn’t live in an environment of big stuff and doesn’t get trained accordingly. This also fuzzies up our perception."


Gaslighting at its finest.

[Anonymous]

Just moved to north Del Ray and they really bother me. We’re getting acoustical windows installed.

[Anonymous]

That email is shocking. Wow! Caveat emptor

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I've been listening to the planes all night while trying to read. It's miserable. Tried talking to "the working group" and basically was gaslighted that this noise is all in my head.

I appreciated the PP who said that he hears it and his wife doesn't. Same. Doesn't bother my husband in the least because he's a little hard of hearing at 67. He wants to move to Georgetown (even worse than our neighborhood) and I told him to forget it.

I think the only solution is to drastically scale down the number of flights in and out of DCA.

Speaking of gaslighting on the Working Group, here's an email sent by the Montgomery County reps to a resident who observed that the change in the flight path pushed through by the Working Group shifted airplanes closer to other communities. The Working Group reps claim it is not possible for the human eye to notice that. Here's their e-mail:

"determining the location (ground track) from the ground by a single observer is next to impossible. The observer would need a theodolite and would have to work in concert with other observers, also with theodolites. There are so many factors working against s single observer, the best that can be done is to get a casual idea of what’s going on.

For example, it would be natural to look at which way the nose of the aircraft is pointing and assume that’s the direction it is flying. However, that’s not the case. The winds can cause the pilot to turn the plane into the direction of the wind to maintain course.
(similar to a boat on a lake). This presents a confusing picture from the ground.

Also, it's hard to distinguish distance to the plane — simply because our personal reference frame can’t deal with how big the planes are. Through our life we get pretty good at it because we naturally get trained to the size of things - people, cars, horses, etc. and their distance from us. The average person doesn’t live in an environment of big stuff and doesn’t get trained accordingly. This also fuzzies up our perception."


Gaslighting at its finest.

Ugh

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Just moved to north Del Ray and they really bother me. We’re getting acoustical windows installed.

Really? How close are you to richmond hwy (how many blocks)?