FCPS Skyview Boundary Scenario 1/2/3

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Anonymous wrote:Can someone explain why Crossfield has Franklin - Skyview in one scenario only? And why wouldn’t it be Carson - Skyview when Franklin is going to be an Oakton feeder? Make it make sense!

Because the consultants are idiots!

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Anonymous wrote:Can someone explain why Crossfield has Franklin - Skyview in one scenario only? And why wouldn’t it be Carson - Skyview when Franklin is going to be an Oakton feeder? Make it make sense!

Because Crossfield to Skyview is not such an obvious choice.

The trip from Crossfield to Skyview would be much shorter than the current commute to Oakton, which is a valid point.

That said, if Crossfield switched to Franklin Middle and stayed at Oakton High, while Oak Hill switched to Carson Middle and Skyview, it would eliminate a split feeder pattern, another criteria.

Fox Mill is as close to Skyview as Crossfield is, if not closer

It appears that more Fox Mill families would send kids to Skyview than Crossfield families.

Community input isn’t everything, but it should carry weight.

But I agree that if Crossfield gets moved to Skyview, it should stay at Carson. That part doesn't make sense.

The difference is that Crossfield family have a much longer commute to Oakton than Fox Mill families have to South Lakes. It's comparative. We really need to alleviate the commute, therefore families like McNair, Coates, Floris, Crossfield who have 20+ drives to high school should be prioritized.

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Anonymous wrote:Any tea leaves to read in Reid's e-mail she just sent out about the next steps in the process? The "themes" they have identified so far from the boundary tool seem to hint at transportation distance, safety, and teenage driving as issues and concerns. Maybe not boding well for the RIO folks???

I sure hope so. But they listed “keeping neighborhoods together” as the first one.

The part of Franklin Farm zoned for Oak Hill will most likely end up at Skyview. Sending the Crossfield and Navy island parts to Skyview would keep that neighborhood together. But RIO cares more about perceived prestige than neighborhood cohesion.

That would indictate that there is no cohesion.

Split feeders are awesome.

Oh hey selfish RIO parent who cares only about their kids’ non existent sports prospects.

But but lacrosse!! Swim team!!!

Guess which school has the number 1 "nerd" team in the country.... it's not an unproven school.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Can someone explain why Crossfield has Franklin - Skyview in one scenario only? And why wouldn’t it be Carson - Skyview when Franklin is going to be an Oakton feeder? Make it make sense!

Because Crossfield to Skyview is not such an obvious choice.

The trip from Crossfield to Skyview would be much shorter than the current commute to Oakton, which is a valid point.

That said, if Crossfield switched to Franklin Middle and stayed at Oakton High, while Oak Hill switched to Carson Middle and Skyview, it would eliminate a split feeder pattern, another criteria.

Fox Mill is as close to Skyview as Crossfield is, if not closer

It appears that more Fox Mill families would send kids to Skyview than Crossfield families.

Community input isn’t everything, but it should carry weight.

But I agree that if Crossfield gets moved to Skyview, it should stay at Carson. That part doesn't make sense.

Closer != faster.

Left turns, stop light timing, number of stops lights, speed limits, traffic density, propensity for accidents and the like.

That's just too simplistic.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Can someone explain why Crossfield has Franklin - Skyview in one scenario only? And why wouldn’t it be Carson - Skyview when Franklin is going to be an Oakton feeder? Make it make sense!

Because Crossfield to Skyview is not such an obvious choice.

The trip from Crossfield to Skyview would be much shorter than the current commute to Oakton, which is a valid point.

That said, if Crossfield switched to Franklin Middle and stayed at Oakton High, while Oak Hill switched to Carson Middle and Skyview, it would eliminate a split feeder pattern, another criteria.

Fox Mill is as close to Skyview as Crossfield is, if not closer

It appears that more Fox Mill families would send kids to Skyview than Crossfield families.

Community input isn’t everything, but it should carry weight.

But I agree that if Crossfield gets moved to Skyview, it should stay at Carson. That part doesn't make sense.

Closer != faster.

Left turns, stop light timing, number of stops lights, speed limits, traffic density, propensity for accidents and the like.

That's just too simplistic.

In no way is the trip to Oakton faster than the trip to Skyview. Not even close. Especially for most of the Crossfield students.
Franklin may be closer for some, but not all than Skyview.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Can someone explain why Crossfield has Franklin - Skyview in one scenario only? And why wouldn’t it be Carson - Skyview when Franklin is going to be an Oakton feeder? Make it make sense!

Because Crossfield to Skyview is not such an obvious choice.

The trip from Crossfield to Skyview would be much shorter than the current commute to Oakton, which is a valid point.

That said, if Crossfield switched to Franklin Middle and stayed at Oakton High, while Oak Hill switched to Carson Middle and Skyview, it would eliminate a split feeder pattern, another criteria.

Fox Mill is as close to Skyview as Crossfield is, if not closer

It appears that more Fox Mill families would send kids to Skyview than Crossfield families.

Community input isn’t everything, but it should carry weight.

But I agree that if Crossfield gets moved to Skyview, it should stay at Carson. That part doesn't make sense.

The difference is that Crossfield family have a much longer commute to Oakton than Fox Mill families have to South Lakes. It's comparative. We really need to alleviate the commute, therefore families like McNair, Coates, Floris, Crossfield who have 20+ drives to high school should be prioritized.

The distance/commute is not a sole criteria.

Reducing/elminating a split feeder pattern is also a criteria. And community feedback should matter too.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Can someone explain why Crossfield has Franklin - Skyview in one scenario only? And why wouldn’t it be Carson - Skyview when Franklin is going to be an Oakton feeder? Make it make sense!

Because Crossfield to Skyview is not such an obvious choice.

The trip from Crossfield to Skyview would be much shorter than the current commute to Oakton, which is a valid point.

That said, if Crossfield switched to Franklin Middle and stayed at Oakton High, while Oak Hill switched to Carson Middle and Skyview, it would eliminate a split feeder pattern, another criteria.

Fox Mill is as close to Skyview as Crossfield is, if not closer

It appears that more Fox Mill families would send kids to Skyview than Crossfield families.

Community input isn’t everything, but it should carry weight.

But I agree that if Crossfield gets moved to Skyview, it should stay at Carson. That part doesn't make sense.

Closer != faster.

Left turns, stop light timing, number of stops lights, speed limits, traffic density, propensity for accidents and the like.

That's just too simplistic.

In no way is the trip to Oakton faster than the trip to Skyview. Not even close. Especially for most of the Crossfield students.
Franklin may be closer for some, but not all than Skyview.

I've posted this before.

My kids bus takes 45 min to Carson.
Our neighbor takes 35 min to oakton.

Yes, Carson is closer.

Where you are on the route plus all of those factors are why you're too short for this ride.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Can someone explain why Crossfield has Franklin - Skyview in one scenario only? And why wouldn’t it be Carson - Skyview when Franklin is going to be an Oakton feeder? Make it make sense!

Because Crossfield to Skyview is not such an obvious choice.

The trip from Crossfield to Skyview would be much shorter than the current commute to Oakton, which is a valid point.

That said, if Crossfield switched to Franklin Middle and stayed at Oakton High, while Oak Hill switched to Carson Middle and Skyview, it would eliminate a split feeder pattern, another criteria.

Fox Mill is as close to Skyview as Crossfield is, if not closer

It appears that more Fox Mill families would send kids to Skyview than Crossfield families.

Community input isn’t everything, but it should carry weight.

But I agree that if Crossfield gets moved to Skyview, it should stay at Carson. That part doesn't make sense.

Closer != faster.

Left turns, stop light timing, number of stops lights, speed limits, traffic density, propensity for accidents and the like.

That's just too simplistic.

In no way is the trip to Oakton faster than the trip to Skyview. Not even close. Especially for most of the Crossfield students.
Franklin may be closer for some, but not all than Skyview.

I've posted this before.

My kids bus takes 45 min to Carson.
Our neighbor takes 35 min to oakton.

Yes, Carson is closer.

Where you are on the route plus all of those factors are why you're too short for this ride.

well, i can guess where you live. You are last stop for Oakton and first for Skyview. Now, do those people who are reversed: first stop for Oakton and last stop for Carson.
It will be much longer to Oakton and very much shorter to Carson.

I can kind of guess where your area is. I suspect there is a high school that is much closer than Carson or Oakton to where you live. Ten minutes. Easy.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Can someone explain why Crossfield has Franklin - Skyview in one scenario only? And why wouldn’t it be Carson - Skyview when Franklin is going to be an Oakton feeder? Make it make sense!

Because Crossfield to Skyview is not such an obvious choice.

The trip from Crossfield to Skyview would be much shorter than the current commute to Oakton, which is a valid point.

That said, if Crossfield switched to Franklin Middle and stayed at Oakton High, while Oak Hill switched to Carson Middle and Skyview, it would eliminate a split feeder pattern, another criteria.

Fox Mill is as close to Skyview as Crossfield is, if not closer

It appears that more Fox Mill families would send kids to Skyview than Crossfield families.

Community input isn’t everything, but it should carry weight.

But I agree that if Crossfield gets moved to Skyview, it should stay at Carson. That part doesn't make sense.

Closer != faster.

Left turns, stop light timing, number of stops lights, speed limits, traffic density, propensity for accidents and the like.

That's just too simplistic.

I live in Franklin Farm. Trust me when I tell you it is far safer for a teen to drive from my neighborhood to Skyview (big, wide open roads, maybe 5 stop lights total and really only one left turn) than it is for them to drive on narrow windy roads with a ton of blind spots to get to Oakton.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Can someone explain why Crossfield has Franklin - Skyview in one scenario only? And why wouldn’t it be Carson - Skyview when Franklin is going to be an Oakton feeder? Make it make sense!

Because Crossfield to Skyview is not such an obvious choice.

The trip from Crossfield to Skyview would be much shorter than the current commute to Oakton, which is a valid point.

That said, if Crossfield switched to Franklin Middle and stayed at Oakton High, while Oak Hill switched to Carson Middle and Skyview, it would eliminate a split feeder pattern, another criteria.

Fox Mill is as close to Skyview as Crossfield is, if not closer

It appears that more Fox Mill families would send kids to Skyview than Crossfield families.

Community input isn’t everything, but it should carry weight.

But I agree that if Crossfield gets moved to Skyview, it should stay at Carson. That part doesn't make sense.

Closer != faster.

Left turns, stop light timing, number of stops lights, speed limits, traffic density, propensity for accidents and the like.

That's just too simplistic.

I live in Franklin Farm. Trust me when I tell you it is far safer for a teen to drive from my neighborhood to Skyview (big, wide open roads, maybe 5 stop lights total and really only one left turn) than it is for them to drive on narrow windy roads with a ton of blind spots to get to Oakton.

Or worse, the highway. My neighbor told me her son wracked up EZ pass bills because he only ever took the express lanes on 66 to get to school.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Can someone explain why Crossfield has Franklin - Skyview in one scenario only? And why wouldn’t it be Carson - Skyview when Franklin is going to be an Oakton feeder? Make it make sense!

Because Crossfield to Skyview is not such an obvious choice.

The trip from Crossfield to Skyview would be much shorter than the current commute to Oakton, which is a valid point.

That said, if Crossfield switched to Franklin Middle and stayed at Oakton High, while Oak Hill switched to Carson Middle and Skyview, it would eliminate a split feeder pattern, another criteria.

Fox Mill is as close to Skyview as Crossfield is, if not closer

It appears that more Fox Mill families would send kids to Skyview than Crossfield families.

Community input isn’t everything, but it should carry weight.

But I agree that if Crossfield gets moved to Skyview, it should stay at Carson. That part doesn't make sense.

Closer != faster.

Left turns, stop light timing, number of stops lights, speed limits, traffic density, propensity for accidents and the like.

That's just too simplistic.

In no way is the trip to Oakton faster than the trip to Skyview. Not even close. Especially for most of the Crossfield students.
Franklin may be closer for some, but not all than Skyview.

I've posted this before.

My kids bus takes 45 min to Carson.
Our neighbor takes 35 min to oakton.

Yes, Carson is closer.

Where you are on the route plus all of those factors are why you're too short for this ride.

We are the last stop on the Carson route and it takes 10 minutes to get to school. We are also the last bus on the Oakton route, but it takes 30+ minutes. Similarly, we were the last stop on the Crossfield route and that took 10 minutes, too.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Can someone explain why Crossfield has Franklin - Skyview in one scenario only? And why wouldn’t it be Carson - Skyview when Franklin is going to be an Oakton feeder? Make it make sense!

Because Crossfield to Skyview is not such an obvious choice.

The trip from Crossfield to Skyview would be much shorter than the current commute to Oakton, which is a valid point.

That said, if Crossfield switched to Franklin Middle and stayed at Oakton High, while Oak Hill switched to Carson Middle and Skyview, it would eliminate a split feeder pattern, another criteria.

Fox Mill is as close to Skyview as Crossfield is, if not closer

It appears that more Fox Mill families would send kids to Skyview than Crossfield families.

Community input isn’t everything, but it should carry weight.

But I agree that if Crossfield gets moved to Skyview, it should stay at Carson. That part doesn't make sense.

The difference is that Crossfield family have a much longer commute to Oakton than Fox Mill families have to South Lakes. It's comparative. We really need to alleviate the commute, therefore families like McNair, Coates, Floris, Crossfield who have 20+ drives to high school should be prioritized.

The distance/commute is not a sole criteria.

Reducing/elminating a split feeder pattern is also a criteria. And community feedback should matter too.

You're absolutely right. Fox Mill really should be moved to Hughes. Thank you.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Can someone explain why Crossfield has Franklin - Skyview in one scenario only? And why wouldn’t it be Carson - Skyview when Franklin is going to be an Oakton feeder? Make it make sense!

Because Crossfield to Skyview is not such an obvious choice.

The trip from Crossfield to Skyview would be much shorter than the current commute to Oakton, which is a valid point.

That said, if Crossfield switched to Franklin Middle and stayed at Oakton High, while Oak Hill switched to Carson Middle and Skyview, it would eliminate a split feeder pattern, another criteria.

Fox Mill is as close to Skyview as Crossfield is, if not closer

It appears that more Fox Mill families would send kids to Skyview than Crossfield families.

Community input isn’t everything, but it should carry weight.

But I agree that if Crossfield gets moved to Skyview, it should stay at Carson. That part doesn't make sense.

The difference is that Crossfield family have a much longer commute to Oakton than Fox Mill families have to South Lakes. It's comparative. We really need to alleviate the commute, therefore families like McNair, Coates, Floris, Crossfield who have 20+ drives to high school should be prioritized.

The distance/commute is not a sole criteria.

Reducing/elminating a split feeder pattern is also a criteria. And community feedback should matter too.

You're absolutely right. Fox Mill really should be moved to Hughes. Thank you.

No thanks.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Can someone explain why Crossfield has Franklin - Skyview in one scenario only? And why wouldn’t it be Carson - Skyview when Franklin is going to be an Oakton feeder? Make it make sense!

Because Crossfield to Skyview is not such an obvious choice.

The trip from Crossfield to Skyview would be much shorter than the current commute to Oakton, which is a valid point.

That said, if Crossfield switched to Franklin Middle and stayed at Oakton High, while Oak Hill switched to Carson Middle and Skyview, it would eliminate a split feeder pattern, another criteria.

Fox Mill is as close to Skyview as Crossfield is, if not closer

It appears that more Fox Mill families would send kids to Skyview than Crossfield families.

Community input isn’t everything, but it should carry weight.

But I agree that if Crossfield gets moved to Skyview, it should stay at Carson. That part doesn't make sense.

The difference is that Crossfield family have a much longer commute to Oakton than Fox Mill families have to South Lakes. It's comparative. We really need to alleviate the commute, therefore families like McNair, Coates, Floris, Crossfield who have 20+ drives to high school should be prioritized.

The distance/commute is not a sole criteria.

Reducing/elminating a split feeder pattern is also a criteria. And community feedback should matter too.

You're absolutely right. Fox Mill really should be moved to Hughes. Thank you.

Fox Mill to Hughes is not going to happen. It is only discussed on this board. Even Meren doesn't support it now.

The likely outcome is either

Fox Mill - Carson - SLHS / Crossfield - Carson - Skyview

or

Fox Mill - Carson - Skyview / Crossfield - Franklin - Oakton

Both scenarios are plausible.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Can someone explain why Crossfield has Franklin - Skyview in one scenario only? And why wouldn’t it be Carson - Skyview when Franklin is going to be an Oakton feeder? Make it make sense!

Because Crossfield to Skyview is not such an obvious choice.

The trip from Crossfield to Skyview would be much shorter than the current commute to Oakton, which is a valid point.

That said, if Crossfield switched to Franklin Middle and stayed at Oakton High, while Oak Hill switched to Carson Middle and Skyview, it would eliminate a split feeder pattern, another criteria.

Fox Mill is as close to Skyview as Crossfield is, if not closer

It appears that more Fox Mill families would send kids to Skyview than Crossfield families.

Community input isn’t everything, but it should carry weight.

But I agree that if Crossfield gets moved to Skyview, it should stay at Carson. That part doesn't make sense.

Closer != faster.

Left turns, stop light timing, number of stops lights, speed limits, traffic density, propensity for accidents and the like.

That's just too simplistic.

I live in Franklin Farm. Trust me when I tell you it is far safer for a teen to drive from my neighborhood to Skyview (big, wide open roads, maybe 5 stop lights total and really only one left turn) than it is for them to drive on narrow windy roads with a ton of blind spots to get to Oakton.

Um, your kid can....
get on west ox (nice big road), then get on rt 50 (nice big road), get on i66 (nice big road), get off on 123 (nice big road) , then get on germantown (nice big road).

Each of these roads is at least 2 lanes in each direction....

They're not required to go on fox mill, whaples mill, or bennet.