20 victims reported at Annunciation Catholic School in Minneapolis

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Anonymous wrote:Question for those who claim gun laws don’t work.

If, hypothetically, it could be proven beyond a doubt that stricter gun laws would significantly reduce gun deaths (particularly re: children), would you then agree to jump through some hoops (longer wait, limits on ammo, etc.)?

Because I’m fairly confident you’re just making the conclusory argument that gun reform won’t work so that you don’t have to admit to yourself that you just don’t want to be bothered. But even you know it sounds bad to say “I will accept the status quo of gun deaths because I don’t want to be inconvenienced,” so instead you’ll contort yourself into pretzels to blame any f-ing thing except the guns.

“Gun laws don’t work” isn’t “conclusory argument.” It’s an observation of demonstrated fact. And continued pursuit of the same tired, failed “solutions” takes attention and resources away from dealing with whatever has happened in US society to make some people think killing their neighbors is a desirable goal.

It’s not a demonstrated fact. You are some kind of political shill here trying out the only possible line that you think will work: blame gun violence on black people, trans people and SSRIs. You’re disgusting and literally have the blood of children in your hands.

Stop engaging the guy who thinks life was best when women could not vote.

That is a total mischaracterization of that person's position.

Corellation is not causation doesn't mean that the trend that is noticed is always the cause. There's actually a whole website that is dedicated to correlations which is quite humerous, like increases in cheese sold correlates with murder rates.



Rather the takeaway is that this wasn't a problem in the past. Something has changed that made mass shootings increase inspite of it being harder to get firearms than it was in the past.

Agree.

At this point: I have a confession to make: I took a gun to school

Yes, it’s true: every day of my last year in high school, I took a gun onto school property. And ammunition. You see, I was on the rifle team. Most of the guns were kept on school grounds (in a locked locker), but my private coach lent me a target rifle; an Anschutz 1413; the type of 22 used for Olympics type target competition.

We had way more access to guns in the 1980s; the difference was: we would never use them for violence. That is what’s changed.

Notice how you didn't have an AR-15.

I'm not saying that's the only thing, or even the main thing, but it is absolutely contributing to the number of deaths per incident.

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Anonymous wrote:Question for those who claim gun laws don’t work.

If, hypothetically, it could be proven beyond a doubt that stricter gun laws would significantly reduce gun deaths (particularly re: children), would you then agree to jump through some hoops (longer wait, limits on ammo, etc.)?

Because I’m fairly confident you’re just making the conclusory argument that gun reform won’t work so that you don’t have to admit to yourself that you just don’t want to be bothered. But even you know it sounds bad to say “I will accept the status quo of gun deaths because I don’t want to be inconvenienced,” so instead you’ll contort yourself into pretzels to blame any f-ing thing except the guns.

“Gun laws don’t work” isn’t “conclusory argument.” It’s an observation of demonstrated fact. And continued pursuit of the same tired, failed “solutions” takes attention and resources away from dealing with whatever has happened in US society to make some people think killing their neighbors is a desirable goal.

It’s not a demonstrated fact. You are some kind of political shill here trying out the only possible line that you think will work: blame gun violence on black people, trans people and SSRIs. You’re disgusting and literally have the blood of children in your hands.

Stop engaging the guy who thinks life was best when women could not vote.

That is a total mischaracterization of that person's position.

Corellation is not causation doesn't mean that the trend that is noticed is always the cause. There's actually a whole website that is dedicated to correlations which is quite humerous, like increases in cheese sold correlates with murder rates.



Rather the takeaway is that this wasn't a problem in the past. Something has changed that made mass shootings increase inspite of it being harder to get firearms than it was in the past.

At last, a person who pays attention!

And I have not made any comments about women voting.

The "something" being implied is always that people need to he more Christian and traditional family with the woman home, right? So yeah, kinda misogynistic.

Sorry, society is not going back to that. There were also plenty of issues with that which you want to pretend did not exist years ago and put your head in the sand. The internet also happened. If your solution is just to go back, good luck, it is not happening. We need to adapt to the society we have now rather than just say go backwards because this is your made up, perceived cause.

Jefferson's comments about adapting laws to the times of the day rather than be beholden to laws of older generations still stand.

As more women entered the workplace, get degrees, and children are effectively raised by others have socitial outcomes increased or decreased?

It's an interesting topic but an uncomfortable discussion that most won't entertain beyond acknowledging that education reduces the number of children.

Societal outcomes have overall improved, yes.

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Anonymous wrote:Question for those who claim gun laws don’t work.

If, hypothetically, it could be proven beyond a doubt that stricter gun laws would significantly reduce gun deaths (particularly re: children), would you then agree to jump through some hoops (longer wait, limits on ammo, etc.)?

Because I’m fairly confident you’re just making the conclusory argument that gun reform won’t work so that you don’t have to admit to yourself that you just don’t want to be bothered. But even you know it sounds bad to say “I will accept the status quo of gun deaths because I don’t want to be inconvenienced,” so instead you’ll contort yourself into pretzels to blame any f-ing thing except the guns.

“Gun laws don’t work” isn’t “conclusory argument.” It’s an observation of demonstrated fact. And continued pursuit of the same tired, failed “solutions” takes attention and resources away from dealing with whatever has happened in US society to make some people think killing their neighbors is a desirable goal.

It’s not a demonstrated fact. You are some kind of political shill here trying out the only possible line that you think will work: blame gun violence on black people, trans people and SSRIs. You’re disgusting and literally have the blood of children in your hands.

Stop engaging the guy who thinks life was best when women could not vote.

That is a total mischaracterization of that person's position.

Corellation is not causation doesn't mean that the trend that is noticed is always the cause. There's actually a whole website that is dedicated to correlations which is quite humerous, like increases in cheese sold correlates with murder rates.



Rather the takeaway is that this wasn't a problem in the past. Something has changed that made mass shootings increase inspite of it being harder to get firearms than it was in the past.

Agree.

At this point: I have a confession to make: I took a gun to school

Yes, it’s true: every day of my last year in high school, I took a gun onto school property. And ammunition. You see, I was on the rifle team. Most of the guns were kept on school grounds (in a locked locker), but my private coach lent me a target rifle; an Anschutz 1413; the type of 22 used for Olympics type target competition.

We had way more access to guns in the 1980s; the difference was: we would never use them for violence. That is what’s changed.

Notice how you didn't have an AR-15.

I'm not saying that's the only thing, or even the main thing, but it is absolutely contributing to the number of deaths per incident.

We always had one in the house, but you missed the point as usual, CGCL.

We had MORE access to guns in the past. Difference was: we did not use them on each other.

The issue is mental health. And that problem goes far beyond the rare mass shooting.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Question for those who claim gun laws don’t work.

If, hypothetically, it could be proven beyond a doubt that stricter gun laws would significantly reduce gun deaths (particularly re: children), would you then agree to jump through some hoops (longer wait, limits on ammo, etc.)?

Because I’m fairly confident you’re just making the conclusory argument that gun reform won’t work so that you don’t have to admit to yourself that you just don’t want to be bothered. But even you know it sounds bad to say “I will accept the status quo of gun deaths because I don’t want to be inconvenienced,” so instead you’ll contort yourself into pretzels to blame any f-ing thing except the guns.

“Gun laws don’t work” isn’t “conclusory argument.” It’s an observation of demonstrated fact. And continued pursuit of the same tired, failed “solutions” takes attention and resources away from dealing with whatever has happened in US society to make some people think killing their neighbors is a desirable goal.

It’s not a demonstrated fact. You are some kind of political shill here trying out the only possible line that you think will work: blame gun violence on black people, trans people and SSRIs. You’re disgusting and literally have the blood of children in your hands.

Stop engaging the guy who thinks life was best when women could not vote.

That is a total mischaracterization of that person's position.

Corellation is not causation doesn't mean that the trend that is noticed is always the cause. There's actually a whole website that is dedicated to correlations which is quite humerous, like increases in cheese sold correlates with murder rates.



Rather the takeaway is that this wasn't a problem in the past. Something has changed that made mass shootings increase inspite of it being harder to get firearms than it was in the past.

Agree.

At this point: I have a confession to make: I took a gun to school

Yes, it’s true: every day of my last year in high school, I took a gun onto school property. And ammunition. You see, I was on the rifle team. Most of the guns were kept on school grounds (in a locked locker), but my private coach lent me a target rifle; an Anschutz 1413; the type of 22 used for Olympics type target competition.

We had way more access to guns in the 1980s; the difference was: we would never use them for violence. That is what’s changed.

Notice how you didn't have an AR-15.

I'm not saying that's the only thing, or even the main thing, but it is absolutely contributing to the number of deaths per incident.

We always had one in the house, but you missed the point as usual, CGCL.

We had MORE access to guns in the past. Difference was: we did not use them on each other.

The issue is mental health. And that problem goes far beyond the rare mass shooting.

+1.

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Anonymous wrote:Question for those who claim gun laws don’t work.

If, hypothetically, it could be proven beyond a doubt that stricter gun laws would significantly reduce gun deaths (particularly re: children), would you then agree to jump through some hoops (longer wait, limits on ammo, etc.)?

Because I’m fairly confident you’re just making the conclusory argument that gun reform won’t work so that you don’t have to admit to yourself that you just don’t want to be bothered. But even you know it sounds bad to say “I will accept the status quo of gun deaths because I don’t want to be inconvenienced,” so instead you’ll contort yourself into pretzels to blame any f-ing thing except the guns.

“Gun laws don’t work” isn’t “conclusory argument.” It’s an observation of demonstrated fact. And continued pursuit of the same tired, failed “solutions” takes attention and resources away from dealing with whatever has happened in US society to make some people think killing their neighbors is a desirable goal.

It’s not a demonstrated fact. You are some kind of political shill here trying out the only possible line that you think will work: blame gun violence on black people, trans people and SSRIs. You’re disgusting and literally have the blood of children in your hands.

Stop engaging the guy who thinks life was best when women could not vote.

That is a total mischaracterization of that person's position.

Corellation is not causation doesn't mean that the trend that is noticed is always the cause. There's actually a whole website that is dedicated to correlations which is quite humerous, like increases in cheese sold correlates with murder rates.



Rather the takeaway is that this wasn't a problem in the past. Something has changed that made mass shootings increase inspite of it being harder to get firearms than it was in the past.

Agree.

At this point: I have a confession to make: I took a gun to school

Yes, it’s true: every day of my last year in high school, I took a gun onto school property. And ammunition. You see, I was on the rifle team. Most of the guns were kept on school grounds (in a locked locker), but my private coach lent me a target rifle; an Anschutz 1413; the type of 22 used for Olympics type target competition.

We had way more access to guns in the 1980s; the difference was: we would never use them for violence. That is what’s changed.

Notice how you didn't have an AR-15.

I'm not saying that's the only thing, or even the main thing, but it is absolutely contributing to the number of deaths per incident.

We always had one in the house, but you missed the point as usual, CGCL.

We had MORE access to guns in the past. Difference was: we did not use them on each other.

The issue is mental health. And that problem goes far beyond the rare mass shooting.

Agree.

And CGCL is a nutter. A REAL NUTTER!

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Anonymous wrote:Question for those who claim gun laws don’t work.

If, hypothetically, it could be proven beyond a doubt that stricter gun laws would significantly reduce gun deaths (particularly re: children), would you then agree to jump through some hoops (longer wait, limits on ammo, etc.)?

Because I’m fairly confident you’re just making the conclusory argument that gun reform won’t work so that you don’t have to admit to yourself that you just don’t want to be bothered. But even you know it sounds bad to say “I will accept the status quo of gun deaths because I don’t want to be inconvenienced,” so instead you’ll contort yourself into pretzels to blame any f-ing thing except the guns.

“Gun laws don’t work” isn’t “conclusory argument.” It’s an observation of demonstrated fact. And continued pursuit of the same tired, failed “solutions” takes attention and resources away from dealing with whatever has happened in US society to make some people think killing their neighbors is a desirable goal.

It’s not a demonstrated fact. You are some kind of political shill here trying out the only possible line that you think will work: blame gun violence on black people, trans people and SSRIs. You’re disgusting and literally have the blood of children in your hands.

Stop engaging the guy who thinks life was best when women could not vote.

That is a total mischaracterization of that person's position.

Corellation is not causation doesn't mean that the trend that is noticed is always the cause. There's actually a whole website that is dedicated to correlations which is quite humerous, like increases in cheese sold correlates with murder rates.



Rather the takeaway is that this wasn't a problem in the past. Something has changed that made mass shootings increase inspite of it being harder to get firearms than it was in the past.

Agree.

At this point: I have a confession to make: I took a gun to school

Yes, it’s true: every day of my last year in high school, I took a gun onto school property. And ammunition. You see, I was on the rifle team. Most of the guns were kept on school grounds (in a locked locker), but my private coach lent me a target rifle; an Anschutz 1413; the type of 22 used for Olympics type target competition.

We had way more access to guns in the 1980s; the difference was: we would never use them for violence. That is what’s changed.

Notice how you didn't have an AR-15.

I'm not saying that's the only thing, or even the main thing, but it is absolutely contributing to the number of deaths per incident.

We always had one in the house, but you missed the point as usual, CGCL.

We had MORE access to guns in the past. Difference was: we did not use them on each other.

The issue is mental health. And that problem goes far beyond the rare mass shooting.

DP. But the past and the present are different. Now that the circumstances have changed in the general population—with mental health issues rampant—it would seem prudent to severely limit number of and/or access to guns.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Question for those who claim gun laws don’t work.

If, hypothetically, it could be proven beyond a doubt that stricter gun laws would significantly reduce gun deaths (particularly re: children), would you then agree to jump through some hoops (longer wait, limits on ammo, etc.)?

Because I’m fairly confident you’re just making the conclusory argument that gun reform won’t work so that you don’t have to admit to yourself that you just don’t want to be bothered. But even you know it sounds bad to say “I will accept the status quo of gun deaths because I don’t want to be inconvenienced,” so instead you’ll contort yourself into pretzels to blame any f-ing thing except the guns.

“Gun laws don’t work” isn’t “conclusory argument.” It’s an observation of demonstrated fact. And continued pursuit of the same tired, failed “solutions” takes attention and resources away from dealing with whatever has happened in US society to make some people think killing their neighbors is a desirable goal.

It’s not a demonstrated fact. You are some kind of political shill here trying out the only possible line that you think will work: blame gun violence on black people, trans people and SSRIs. You’re disgusting and literally have the blood of children in your hands.

Stop engaging the guy who thinks life was best when women could not vote.

That is a total mischaracterization of that person's position.

Corellation is not causation doesn't mean that the trend that is noticed is always the cause. There's actually a whole website that is dedicated to correlations which is quite humerous, like increases in cheese sold correlates with murder rates.



Rather the takeaway is that this wasn't a problem in the past. Something has changed that made mass shootings increase inspite of it being harder to get firearms than it was in the past.

Agree.

At this point: I have a confession to make: I took a gun to school

Yes, it’s true: every day of my last year in high school, I took a gun onto school property. And ammunition. You see, I was on the rifle team. Most of the guns were kept on school grounds (in a locked locker), but my private coach lent me a target rifle; an Anschutz 1413; the type of 22 used for Olympics type target competition.

We had way more access to guns in the 1980s; the difference was: we would never use them for violence. That is what’s changed.

Notice how you didn't have an AR-15.

I'm not saying that's the only thing, or even the main thing, but it is absolutely contributing to the number of deaths per incident.

We always had one in the house, but you missed the point as usual, CGCL.

We had MORE access to guns in the past. Difference was: we did not use them on each other.

The issue is mental health. And that problem goes far beyond the rare mass shooting.

It's unlikely you had an AR-15 in the house in the 80s. If you did, you were a highly exceptional situation. You probably didn't have a handgun, either, but if you did, it was probably a revolver.

There are some additional legal controls, but the firearms market has evolved to make guns much more accessible- especially the sorts of guns used in mass shootings.

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Anonymous wrote:Question for those who claim gun laws don’t work.

If, hypothetically, it could be proven beyond a doubt that stricter gun laws would significantly reduce gun deaths (particularly re: children), would you then agree to jump through some hoops (longer wait, limits on ammo, etc.)?

Because I’m fairly confident you’re just making the conclusory argument that gun reform won’t work so that you don’t have to admit to yourself that you just don’t want to be bothered. But even you know it sounds bad to say “I will accept the status quo of gun deaths because I don’t want to be inconvenienced,” so instead you’ll contort yourself into pretzels to blame any f-ing thing except the guns.

“Gun laws don’t work” isn’t “conclusory argument.” It’s an observation of demonstrated fact. And continued pursuit of the same tired, failed “solutions” takes attention and resources away from dealing with whatever has happened in US society to make some people think killing their neighbors is a desirable goal.

It’s not a demonstrated fact. You are some kind of political shill here trying out the only possible line that you think will work: blame gun violence on black people, trans people and SSRIs. You’re disgusting and literally have the blood of children in your hands.

Stop engaging the guy who thinks life was best when women could not vote.

That is a total mischaracterization of that person's position.

Corellation is not causation doesn't mean that the trend that is noticed is always the cause. There's actually a whole website that is dedicated to correlations which is quite humerous, like increases in cheese sold correlates with murder rates.



Rather the takeaway is that this wasn't a problem in the past. Something has changed that made mass shootings increase inspite of it being harder to get firearms than it was in the past.

Agree.

At this point: I have a confession to make: I took a gun to school

Yes, it’s true: every day of my last year in high school, I took a gun onto school property. And ammunition. You see, I was on the rifle team. Most of the guns were kept on school grounds (in a locked locker), but my private coach lent me a target rifle; an Anschutz 1413; the type of 22 used for Olympics type target competition.

We had way more access to guns in the 1980s; the difference was: we would never use them for violence. That is what’s changed.

Notice how you didn't have an AR-15.

I'm not saying that's the only thing, or even the main thing, but it is absolutely contributing to the number of deaths per incident.

We always had one in the house, but you missed the point as usual, CGCL.

We had MORE access to guns in the past. Difference was: we did not use them on each other.

The issue is mental health. And that problem goes far beyond the rare mass shooting.

DP. But the past and the present are different. Now that the circumstances have changed in the general population—with mental health issues rampant—it would seem prudent to severely limit number of and/or access to guns.

And then ban knives because mental health problems continue to increase. Never address the root problem. Just more bandaids.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Question for those who claim gun laws don’t work.

If, hypothetically, it could be proven beyond a doubt that stricter gun laws would significantly reduce gun deaths (particularly re: children), would you then agree to jump through some hoops (longer wait, limits on ammo, etc.)?

Because I’m fairly confident you’re just making the conclusory argument that gun reform won’t work so that you don’t have to admit to yourself that you just don’t want to be bothered. But even you know it sounds bad to say “I will accept the status quo of gun deaths because I don’t want to be inconvenienced,” so instead you’ll contort yourself into pretzels to blame any f-ing thing except the guns.

“Gun laws don’t work” isn’t “conclusory argument.” It’s an observation of demonstrated fact. And continued pursuit of the same tired, failed “solutions” takes attention and resources away from dealing with whatever has happened in US society to make some people think killing their neighbors is a desirable goal.

It’s not a demonstrated fact. You are some kind of political shill here trying out the only possible line that you think will work: blame gun violence on black people, trans people and SSRIs. You’re disgusting and literally have the blood of children in your hands.

Stop engaging the guy who thinks life was best when women could not vote.

That is a total mischaracterization of that person's position.

Corellation is not causation doesn't mean that the trend that is noticed is always the cause. There's actually a whole website that is dedicated to correlations which is quite humerous, like increases in cheese sold correlates with murder rates.



Rather the takeaway is that this wasn't a problem in the past. Something has changed that made mass shootings increase inspite of it being harder to get firearms than it was in the past.

Agree.

At this point: I have a confession to make: I took a gun to school

Yes, it’s true: every day of my last year in high school, I took a gun onto school property. And ammunition. You see, I was on the rifle team. Most of the guns were kept on school grounds (in a locked locker), but my private coach lent me a target rifle; an Anschutz 1413; the type of 22 used for Olympics type target competition.

We had way more access to guns in the 1980s; the difference was: we would never use them for violence. That is what’s changed.

Notice how you didn't have an AR-15.

I'm not saying that's the only thing, or even the main thing, but it is absolutely contributing to the number of deaths per incident.

We always had one in the house, but you missed the point as usual, CGCL.

We had MORE access to guns in the past. Difference was: we did not use them on each other.

The issue is mental health. And that problem goes far beyond the rare mass shooting.

And gun policies need to account for that mental health crisis, not pretend it doesn't exist.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Question for those who claim gun laws don’t work.

If, hypothetically, it could be proven beyond a doubt that stricter gun laws would significantly reduce gun deaths (particularly re: children), would you then agree to jump through some hoops (longer wait, limits on ammo, etc.)?

Because I’m fairly confident you’re just making the conclusory argument that gun reform won’t work so that you don’t have to admit to yourself that you just don’t want to be bothered. But even you know it sounds bad to say “I will accept the status quo of gun deaths because I don’t want to be inconvenienced,” so instead you’ll contort yourself into pretzels to blame any f-ing thing except the guns.

“Gun laws don’t work” isn’t “conclusory argument.” It’s an observation of demonstrated fact. And continued pursuit of the same tired, failed “solutions” takes attention and resources away from dealing with whatever has happened in US society to make some people think killing their neighbors is a desirable goal.

It’s not a demonstrated fact. You are some kind of political shill here trying out the only possible line that you think will work: blame gun violence on black people, trans people and SSRIs. You’re disgusting and literally have the blood of children in your hands.

Stop engaging the guy who thinks life was best when women could not vote.

That is a total mischaracterization of that person's position.

Corellation is not causation doesn't mean that the trend that is noticed is always the cause. There's actually a whole website that is dedicated to correlations which is quite humerous, like increases in cheese sold correlates with murder rates.



Rather the takeaway is that this wasn't a problem in the past. Something has changed that made mass shootings increase inspite of it being harder to get firearms than it was in the past.

Agree.

At this point: I have a confession to make: I took a gun to school

Yes, it’s true: every day of my last year in high school, I took a gun onto school property. And ammunition. You see, I was on the rifle team. Most of the guns were kept on school grounds (in a locked locker), but my private coach lent me a target rifle; an Anschutz 1413; the type of 22 used for Olympics type target competition.

We had way more access to guns in the 1980s; the difference was: we would never use them for violence. That is what’s changed.

Notice how you didn't have an AR-15.

I'm not saying that's the only thing, or even the main thing, but it is absolutely contributing to the number of deaths per incident.

We always had one in the house, but you missed the point as usual, CGCL.

We had MORE access to guns in the past. Difference was: we did not use them on each other.

The issue is mental health. And that problem goes far beyond the rare mass shooting.

Both contribute, as do other factors in society now.

How can you possibly claim that people had MORE access to guns in the 80s compared to now with the internet, 3D printing etc. Please prove this assertion beyond your personal access due to the rifle team. FFS.

There is a mental health problem in this country and it is MAGA and gun fetishists. You love guns to the point of derangement.

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Anonymous wrote:Question for those who claim gun laws don’t work.

If, hypothetically, it could be proven beyond a doubt that stricter gun laws would significantly reduce gun deaths (particularly re: children), would you then agree to jump through some hoops (longer wait, limits on ammo, etc.)?

Because I’m fairly confident you’re just making the conclusory argument that gun reform won’t work so that you don’t have to admit to yourself that you just don’t want to be bothered. But even you know it sounds bad to say “I will accept the status quo of gun deaths because I don’t want to be inconvenienced,” so instead you’ll contort yourself into pretzels to blame any f-ing thing except the guns.

“Gun laws don’t work” isn’t “conclusory argument.” It’s an observation of demonstrated fact. And continued pursuit of the same tired, failed “solutions” takes attention and resources away from dealing with whatever has happened in US society to make some people think killing their neighbors is a desirable goal.

It’s not a demonstrated fact. You are some kind of political shill here trying out the only possible line that you think will work: blame gun violence on black people, trans people and SSRIs. You’re disgusting and literally have the blood of children in your hands.

Stop engaging the guy who thinks life was best when women could not vote.

That is a total mischaracterization of that person's position.

Corellation is not causation doesn't mean that the trend that is noticed is always the cause. There's actually a whole website that is dedicated to correlations which is quite humerous, like increases in cheese sold correlates with murder rates.



Rather the takeaway is that this wasn't a problem in the past. Something has changed that made mass shootings increase inspite of it being harder to get firearms than it was in the past.

Agree.

At this point: I have a confession to make: I took a gun to school

Yes, it’s true: every day of my last year in high school, I took a gun onto school property. And ammunition. You see, I was on the rifle team. Most of the guns were kept on school grounds (in a locked locker), but my private coach lent me a target rifle; an Anschutz 1413; the type of 22 used for Olympics type target competition.

We had way more access to guns in the 1980s; the difference was: we would never use them for violence. That is what’s changed.

Notice how you didn't have an AR-15.

I'm not saying that's the only thing, or even the main thing, but it is absolutely contributing to the number of deaths per incident.

We always had one in the house, but you missed the point as usual, CGCL.

We had MORE access to guns in the past. Difference was: we did not use them on each other.

The issue is mental health. And that problem goes far beyond the rare mass shooting.

DP. But the past and the present are different. Now that the circumstances have changed in the general population—with mental health issues rampant—it would seem prudent to severely limit number of and/or access to guns.

And then ban knives because mental health problems continue to increase. Never address the root problem. Just more bandaids.

How about we start with banning access to items that have no other purpose than to maim and kill. That’s more of a tourniquet.

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Anonymous wrote:Question for those who claim gun laws don’t work.

If, hypothetically, it could be proven beyond a doubt that stricter gun laws would significantly reduce gun deaths (particularly re: children), would you then agree to jump through some hoops (longer wait, limits on ammo, etc.)?

Because I’m fairly confident you’re just making the conclusory argument that gun reform won’t work so that you don’t have to admit to yourself that you just don’t want to be bothered. But even you know it sounds bad to say “I will accept the status quo of gun deaths because I don’t want to be inconvenienced,” so instead you’ll contort yourself into pretzels to blame any f-ing thing except the guns.

“Gun laws don’t work” isn’t “conclusory argument.” It’s an observation of demonstrated fact. And continued pursuit of the same tired, failed “solutions” takes attention and resources away from dealing with whatever has happened in US society to make some people think killing their neighbors is a desirable goal.

It’s not a demonstrated fact. You are some kind of political shill here trying out the only possible line that you think will work: blame gun violence on black people, trans people and SSRIs. You’re disgusting and literally have the blood of children in your hands.

Stop engaging the guy who thinks life was best when women could not vote.

That is a total mischaracterization of that person's position.

Corellation is not causation doesn't mean that the trend that is noticed is always the cause. There's actually a whole website that is dedicated to correlations which is quite humerous, like increases in cheese sold correlates with murder rates.



Rather the takeaway is that this wasn't a problem in the past. Something has changed that made mass shootings increase inspite of it being harder to get firearms than it was in the past.

Agree.

At this point: I have a confession to make: I took a gun to school

Yes, it’s true: every day of my last year in high school, I took a gun onto school property. And ammunition. You see, I was on the rifle team. Most of the guns were kept on school grounds (in a locked locker), but my private coach lent me a target rifle; an Anschutz 1413; the type of 22 used for Olympics type target competition.

We had way more access to guns in the 1980s; the difference was: we would never use them for violence. That is what’s changed.

Notice how you didn't have an AR-15.

I'm not saying that's the only thing, or even the main thing, but it is absolutely contributing to the number of deaths per incident.

We always had one in the house, but you missed the point as usual, CGCL.

We had MORE access to guns in the past. Difference was: we did not use them on each other.

The issue is mental health. And that problem goes far beyond the rare mass shooting.

DP. But the past and the present are different. Now that the circumstances have changed in the general population—with mental health issues rampant—it would seem prudent to severely limit number of and/or access to guns.

And then ban knives because mental health problems continue to increase. Never address the root problem. Just more bandaids.

But when you have an injury, you don't skip the bandages.

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Anonymous wrote:Question for those who claim gun laws don’t work.

If, hypothetically, it could be proven beyond a doubt that stricter gun laws would significantly reduce gun deaths (particularly re: children), would you then agree to jump through some hoops (longer wait, limits on ammo, etc.)?

Because I’m fairly confident you’re just making the conclusory argument that gun reform won’t work so that you don’t have to admit to yourself that you just don’t want to be bothered. But even you know it sounds bad to say “I will accept the status quo of gun deaths because I don’t want to be inconvenienced,” so instead you’ll contort yourself into pretzels to blame any f-ing thing except the guns.

“Gun laws don’t work” isn’t “conclusory argument.” It’s an observation of demonstrated fact. And continued pursuit of the same tired, failed “solutions” takes attention and resources away from dealing with whatever has happened in US society to make some people think killing their neighbors is a desirable goal.

It’s not a demonstrated fact. You are some kind of political shill here trying out the only possible line that you think will work: blame gun violence on black people, trans people and SSRIs. You’re disgusting and literally have the blood of children in your hands.

Stop engaging the guy who thinks life was best when women could not vote.

That is a total mischaracterization of that person's position.

Corellation is not causation doesn't mean that the trend that is noticed is always the cause. There's actually a whole website that is dedicated to correlations which is quite humerous, like increases in cheese sold correlates with murder rates.



Rather the takeaway is that this wasn't a problem in the past. Something has changed that made mass shootings increase inspite of it being harder to get firearms than it was in the past.

At last, a person who pays attention!

And I have not made any comments about women voting.

The "something" being implied is always that people need to he more Christian and traditional family with the woman home, right? So yeah, kinda misogynistic.

Sorry, society is not going back to that. There were also plenty of issues with that which you want to pretend did not exist years ago and put your head in the sand. The internet also happened. If your solution is just to go back, good luck, it is not happening. We need to adapt to the society we have now rather than just say go backwards because this is your made up, perceived cause.

Jefferson's comments about adapting laws to the times of the day rather than be beholden to laws of older generations still stand.

As more women entered the workplace, get degrees, and children are effectively raised by others have socitial outcomes increased or decreased?

It's an interesting topic but an uncomfortable discussion that most won't entertain beyond acknowledging that education reduces the number of children.

There is a solution. Dads need to get their asses back home and take care of the kids. They've been abdicating that responsibility for too many centuries.

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Anonymous wrote:Question for those who claim gun laws don’t work.

If, hypothetically, it could be proven beyond a doubt that stricter gun laws would significantly reduce gun deaths (particularly re: children), would you then agree to jump through some hoops (longer wait, limits on ammo, etc.)?

Because I’m fairly confident you’re just making the conclusory argument that gun reform won’t work so that you don’t have to admit to yourself that you just don’t want to be bothered. But even you know it sounds bad to say “I will accept the status quo of gun deaths because I don’t want to be inconvenienced,” so instead you’ll contort yourself into pretzels to blame any f-ing thing except the guns.

“Gun laws don’t work” isn’t “conclusory argument.” It’s an observation of demonstrated fact. And continued pursuit of the same tired, failed “solutions” takes attention and resources away from dealing with whatever has happened in US society to make some people think killing their neighbors is a desirable goal.

It’s not a demonstrated fact. You are some kind of political shill here trying out the only possible line that you think will work: blame gun violence on black people, trans people and SSRIs. You’re disgusting and literally have the blood of children in your hands.

Stop engaging the guy who thinks life was best when women could not vote.

That is a total mischaracterization of that person's position.

Corellation is not causation doesn't mean that the trend that is noticed is always the cause. There's actually a whole website that is dedicated to correlations which is quite humerous, like increases in cheese sold correlates with murder rates.



Rather the takeaway is that this wasn't a problem in the past. Something has changed that made mass shootings increase inspite of it being harder to get firearms than it was in the past.

Agree.

At this point: I have a confession to make: I took a gun to school

Yes, it’s true: every day of my last year in high school, I took a gun onto school property. And ammunition. You see, I was on the rifle team. Most of the guns were kept on school grounds (in a locked locker), but my private coach lent me a target rifle; an Anschutz 1413; the type of 22 used for Olympics type target competition.

We had way more access to guns in the 1980s; the difference was: we would never use them for violence. That is what’s changed.

Notice how you didn't have an AR-15.

I'm not saying that's the only thing, or even the main thing, but it is absolutely contributing to the number of deaths per incident.

We always had one in the house, but you missed the point as usual, CGCL.

We had MORE access to guns in the past. Difference was: we did not use them on each other.

The issue is mental health. And that problem goes far beyond the rare mass shooting.

DP. But the past and the present are different. Now that the circumstances have changed in the general population—with mental health issues rampant—it would seem prudent to severely limit number of and/or access to guns.

And then ban knives because mental health problems continue to increase. Never address the root problem. Just more bandaids.

Please lay out your plan to address the mental health challenges our country faces. In detail.

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Anonymous wrote:This happened in my neighborhood, my community. My spouse went to high school with the father of one of the kids who died and we know 3 of the kids who were shot and survived.

It’s the guns. It’s always the guns. Mental health issues, societal problems, family issues, whatever it may be the guns are what make mass casualty events possible. There’s nothing else we can do but to ban and get rid of the f’in guns.

Agree. The mental health problems won't go away with a gun ban, but it makes those people far less deadly to others.

Except that if you’re not a mentally ill freak, owing guns is no problem at all.

DP. How are the people who sell guns supposed to identify mentally ill freaks?

Frankly I could have identified him as such just by looking at him.