20 victims reported at Annunciation Catholic School in Minneapolis

[Anonymous]

Hi all, haven't read the whole thread but the last couple of pages compelled me to weigh in from the great Commonwealth of Massachusetts, which enjoys some of the most stringent gun regulations in the USA and also enjoys the lowest firearms death rate in the USA.

Anyone who claims gun regulations don't work is nothing more than a lying liar who lies, full stop.

The research on this is voluminous, the results in states with stringent gun regulations versus those without undeniable, and the reason states with stringent gun regulations still suffer significant gun violence has everything to do with the border states who allow the sale and transfer of guns willy nilly to practically anybody - so a federal gun regulation scheme would undoubtedly go a long way to rectify and reduce gun violence.

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Anonymous wrote:Question for those who claim gun laws don’t work.

If, hypothetically, it could be proven beyond a doubt that stricter gun laws would significantly reduce gun deaths (particularly re: children), would you then agree to jump through some hoops (longer wait, limits on ammo, etc.)?

Because I’m fairly confident you’re just making the conclusory argument that gun reform won’t work so that you don’t have to admit to yourself that you just don’t want to be bothered. But even you know it sounds bad to say “I will accept the status quo of gun deaths because I don’t want to be inconvenienced,” so instead you’ll contort yourself into pretzels to blame any f-ing thing except the guns.

“Gun laws don’t work” isn’t “conclusory argument.” It’s an observation of demonstrated fact. And continued pursuit of the same tired, failed “solutions” takes attention and resources away from dealing with whatever has happened in US society to make some people think killing their neighbors is a desirable goal.

It’s not a demonstrated fact. You are some kind of political shill here trying out the only possible line that you think will work: blame gun violence on black people, trans people and SSRIs. You’re disgusting and literally have the blood of children in your hands.

Stop engaging the guy who thinks life was best when women could not vote.

That is a total mischaracterization of that person's position.

Corellation is not causation doesn't mean that the trend that is noticed is always the cause. There's actually a whole website that is dedicated to correlations which is quite humerous, like increases in cheese sold correlates with murder rates.



Rather the takeaway is that this wasn't a problem in the past. Something has changed that made mass shootings increase inspite of it being harder to get firearms than it was in the past.

At last, a person who pays attention!

And I have not made any comments about women voting.

The "something" being implied is always that people need to he more Christian and traditional family with the woman home, right? So yeah, kinda misogynistic.

Sorry, society is not going back to that. There were also plenty of issues with that which you want to pretend did not exist years ago and put your head in the sand. The internet also happened. If your solution is just to go back, good luck, it is not happening. We need to adapt to the society we have now rather than just say go backwards because this is your made up, perceived cause.

Jefferson's comments about adapting laws to the times of the day rather than be beholden to laws of older generations still stand.

As more women entered the workplace, get degrees, and children are effectively raised by others have socitial outcomes increased or decreased?

It's an interesting topic but an uncomfortable discussion that most won't entertain beyond acknowledging that education reduces the number of children.

The children in homes with two educated working parents who are relatively high income are fine. In fact SES and education level overwhelmingly skew studies of childhood outcomes that researchers have to control for these factors when studying any other societal factors. Also there are numerous studies showing the zip code you can afford to raise your kid in is a significant factor as well.

So we know that education + financial stability are what lead to good outcomes. Yet higher education has become increasingly unattainable for many and the purchasing power of the middle class is tanking.

It’s not working moms that are the problem. It’s educational and income inequality, but God forbid we not give rich people their tax breaks. Who will think of the poor billionaires??

[Anonymous]

^ also meant to add that education level = fewer children isn’t always a bad thing. I think it’s better to have 2 kids you can afford than 5 you can’t.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Hi all, haven't read the whole thread but the last couple of pages compelled me to weigh in from the great Commonwealth of Massachusetts, which enjoys some of the most stringent gun regulations in the USA and also enjoys the lowest firearms death rate in the USA.

Anyone who claims gun regulations don't work is nothing more than a lying liar who lies, full stop.

The research on this is voluminous, the results in states with stringent gun regulations versus those without undeniable, and the reason states with stringent gun regulations still suffer significant gun violence has everything to do with the border states who allow the sale and transfer of guns willy nilly to practically anybody - so a federal gun regulation scheme would undoubtedly go a long way to rectify and reduce gun violence.

Best post of the day!! It would make our schools churches etc safe again!

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Anonymous wrote:Question for those who claim gun laws don’t work.

If, hypothetically, it could be proven beyond a doubt that stricter gun laws would significantly reduce gun deaths (particularly re: children), would you then agree to jump through some hoops (longer wait, limits on ammo, etc.)?

Because I’m fairly confident you’re just making the conclusory argument that gun reform won’t work so that you don’t have to admit to yourself that you just don’t want to be bothered. But even you know it sounds bad to say “I will accept the status quo of gun deaths because I don’t want to be inconvenienced,” so instead you’ll contort yourself into pretzels to blame any f-ing thing except the guns.

“Gun laws don’t work” isn’t “conclusory argument.” It’s an observation of demonstrated fact. And continued pursuit of the same tired, failed “solutions” takes attention and resources away from dealing with whatever has happened in US society to make some people think killing their neighbors is a desirable goal.

It’s not a demonstrated fact. You are some kind of political shill here trying out the only possible line that you think will work: blame gun violence on black people, trans people and SSRIs. You’re disgusting and literally have the blood of children in your hands.

Stop engaging the guy who thinks life was best when women could not vote.

That is a total mischaracterization of that person's position.

Corellation is not causation doesn't mean that the trend that is noticed is always the cause. There's actually a whole website that is dedicated to correlations which is quite humerous, like increases in cheese sold correlates with murder rates.



Rather the takeaway is that this wasn't a problem in the past. Something has changed that made mass shootings increase inspite of it being harder to get firearms than it was in the past.

Agree.

At this point: I have a confession to make: I took a gun to school

Yes, it’s true: every day of my last year in high school, I took a gun onto school property. And ammunition. You see, I was on the rifle team. Most of the guns were kept on school grounds (in a locked locker), but my private coach lent me a target rifle; an Anschutz 1413; the type of 22 used for Olympics type target competition.

We had way more access to guns in the 1980s; the difference was: we would never use them for violence. That is what’s changed.

Notice how you didn't have an AR-15.

I'm not saying that's the only thing, or even the main thing, but it is absolutely contributing to the number of deaths per incident.

We always had one in the house, but you missed the point as usual, CGCL.

We had MORE access to guns in the past. Difference was: we did not use them on each other.

The issue is mental health. And that problem goes far beyond the rare mass shooting.

You can say this all you like, but it doesn’t make it true. The guns are the problem and banning them is the solution.

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Anonymous wrote:Question for those who claim gun laws don’t work.

If, hypothetically, it could be proven beyond a doubt that stricter gun laws would significantly reduce gun deaths (particularly re: children), would you then agree to jump through some hoops (longer wait, limits on ammo, etc.)?

Because I’m fairly confident you’re just making the conclusory argument that gun reform won’t work so that you don’t have to admit to yourself that you just don’t want to be bothered. But even you know it sounds bad to say “I will accept the status quo of gun deaths because I don’t want to be inconvenienced,” so instead you’ll contort yourself into pretzels to blame any f-ing thing except the guns.

“Gun laws don’t work” isn’t “conclusory argument.” It’s an observation of demonstrated fact. And continued pursuit of the same tired, failed “solutions” takes attention and resources away from dealing with whatever has happened in US society to make some people think killing their neighbors is a desirable goal.

It’s not a demonstrated fact. You are some kind of political shill here trying out the only possible line that you think will work: blame gun violence on black people, trans people and SSRIs. You’re disgusting and literally have the blood of children in your hands.

Stop engaging the guy who thinks life was best when women could not vote.

That is a total mischaracterization of that person's position.

Corellation is not causation doesn't mean that the trend that is noticed is always the cause. There's actually a whole website that is dedicated to correlations which is quite humerous, like increases in cheese sold correlates with murder rates.



Rather the takeaway is that this wasn't a problem in the past. Something has changed that made mass shootings increase inspite of it being harder to get firearms than it was in the past.

Agree.

At this point: I have a confession to make: I took a gun to school

Yes, it’s true: every day of my last year in high school, I took a gun onto school property. And ammunition. You see, I was on the rifle team. Most of the guns were kept on school grounds (in a locked locker), but my private coach lent me a target rifle; an Anschutz 1413; the type of 22 used for Olympics type target competition.

We had way more access to guns in the 1980s; the difference was: we would never use them for violence. That is what’s changed.

Notice how you didn't have an AR-15.

I'm not saying that's the only thing, or even the main thing, but it is absolutely contributing to the number of deaths per incident.

We always had one in the house, but you missed the point as usual, CGCL.

We had MORE access to guns in the past. Difference was: we did not use them on each other.

The issue is mental health. And that problem goes far beyond the rare mass shooting.

Do you think the people who want gun reform are against improving mental health treatment?

Like fine, I know mental health is a big part of the equation. But it’s basically become a talking point to avoid having to take any action re: access to guns, but then no one ever actually does anything about mental illness.

Why haven’t republicans came out with a big beautiful mental health bill if mental illness is the reason kids are getting shot up in their classrooms? Do they not care enough about the kids to fund better access to mental health treatment or online screening for domestic terrorist threats? I would be thrilled for this to be improved.

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Anonymous wrote:Question for those who claim gun laws don’t work.

If, hypothetically, it could be proven beyond a doubt that stricter gun laws would significantly reduce gun deaths (particularly re: children), would you then agree to jump through some hoops (longer wait, limits on ammo, etc.)?

Because I’m fairly confident you’re just making the conclusory argument that gun reform won’t work so that you don’t have to admit to yourself that you just don’t want to be bothered. But even you know it sounds bad to say “I will accept the status quo of gun deaths because I don’t want to be inconvenienced,” so instead you’ll contort yourself into pretzels to blame any f-ing thing except the guns.

“Gun laws don’t work” isn’t “conclusory argument.” It’s an observation of demonstrated fact. And continued pursuit of the same tired, failed “solutions” takes attention and resources away from dealing with whatever has happened in US society to make some people think killing their neighbors is a desirable goal.

It’s not a demonstrated fact. You are some kind of political shill here trying out the only possible line that you think will work: blame gun violence on black people, trans people and SSRIs. You’re disgusting and literally have the blood of children in your hands.

Stop engaging the guy who thinks life was best when women could not vote.

That is a total mischaracterization of that person's position.

Corellation is not causation doesn't mean that the trend that is noticed is always the cause. There's actually a whole website that is dedicated to correlations which is quite humerous, like increases in cheese sold correlates with murder rates.



Rather the takeaway is that this wasn't a problem in the past. Something has changed that made mass shootings increase inspite of it being harder to get firearms than it was in the past.

Agree.

At this point: I have a confession to make: I took a gun to school

Yes, it’s true: every day of my last year in high school, I took a gun onto school property. And ammunition. You see, I was on the rifle team. Most of the guns were kept on school grounds (in a locked locker), but my private coach lent me a target rifle; an Anschutz 1413; the type of 22 used for Olympics type target competition.

We had way more access to guns in the 1980s; the difference was: we would never use them for violence. That is what’s changed.

Notice how you didn't have an AR-15.

I'm not saying that's the only thing, or even the main thing, but it is absolutely contributing to the number of deaths per incident.

We always had one in the house, but you missed the point as usual, CGCL.

We had MORE access to guns in the past. Difference was: we did not use them on each other.

The issue is mental health. And that problem goes far beyond the rare mass shooting.

Do you think the people who want gun reform are against improving mental health treatment?

Like fine, I know mental health is a big part of the equation. But it’s basically become a talking point to avoid having to take any action re: access to guns, but then no one ever actually does anything about mental illness.

Why haven’t republicans came out with a big beautiful mental health bill if mental illness is the reason kids are getting shot up in their classrooms? Do they not care enough about the kids to fund better access to mental health treatment or online screening for domestic terrorist threats? I would be thrilled for this to be improved.

+1 and they cut funding for it. Stop yelling about mental health as the "root cause" then not addressing it.

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Anonymous wrote:Question for those who claim gun laws don’t work.

If, hypothetically, it could be proven beyond a doubt that stricter gun laws would significantly reduce gun deaths (particularly re: children), would you then agree to jump through some hoops (longer wait, limits on ammo, etc.)?

Because I’m fairly confident you’re just making the conclusory argument that gun reform won’t work so that you don’t have to admit to yourself that you just don’t want to be bothered. But even you know it sounds bad to say “I will accept the status quo of gun deaths because I don’t want to be inconvenienced,” so instead you’ll contort yourself into pretzels to blame any f-ing thing except the guns.

“Gun laws don’t work” isn’t “conclusory argument.” It’s an observation of demonstrated fact. And continued pursuit of the same tired, failed “solutions” takes attention and resources away from dealing with whatever has happened in US society to make some people think killing their neighbors is a desirable goal.

It’s not a demonstrated fact. You are some kind of political shill here trying out the only possible line that you think will work: blame gun violence on black people, trans people and SSRIs. You’re disgusting and literally have the blood of children in your hands.

Stop engaging the guy who thinks life was best when women could not vote.

That is a total mischaracterization of that person's position.

Corellation is not causation doesn't mean that the trend that is noticed is always the cause. There's actually a whole website that is dedicated to correlations which is quite humerous, like increases in cheese sold correlates with murder rates.



Rather the takeaway is that this wasn't a problem in the past. Something has changed that made mass shootings increase inspite of it being harder to get firearms than it was in the past.

Agree.

At this point: I have a confession to make: I took a gun to school

Yes, it’s true: every day of my last year in high school, I took a gun onto school property. And ammunition. You see, I was on the rifle team. Most of the guns were kept on school grounds (in a locked locker), but my private coach lent me a target rifle; an Anschutz 1413; the type of 22 used for Olympics type target competition.

We had way more access to guns in the 1980s; the difference was: we would never use them for violence. That is what’s changed.

Notice how you didn't have an AR-15.

I'm not saying that's the only thing, or even the main thing, but it is absolutely contributing to the number of deaths per incident.

We always had one in the house, but you missed the point as usual, CGCL.

We had MORE access to guns in the past. Difference was: we did not use them on each other.

The issue is mental health. And that problem goes far beyond the rare mass shooting.

Do you think the people who want gun reform are against improving mental health treatment?

Like fine, I know mental health is a big part of the equation. But it’s basically become a talking point to avoid having to take any action re: access to guns, but then no one ever actually does anything about mental illness.

Why haven’t republicans came out with a big beautiful mental health bill if mental illness is the reason kids are getting shot up in their classrooms? Do they not care enough about the kids to fund better access to mental health treatment or online screening for domestic terrorist threats? I would be thrilled for this to be improved.

+1 and they cut funding for it. Stop yelling about mental health as the "root cause" then not addressing it.

Exactly. How much more ghoulish can the GOP/gun supporters be? To say guns aren't the problem (BS) and mental health is and then do NOTHING to improve mental health care but rather slash funding for research and mental health care.

[Anonymous]

This literally doesn’t happen in any other country. It’s the guns. It will always be the guns. Anyone insisting otherwise is just not smart. At all.

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Anonymous wrote:Question for those who claim gun laws don’t work.

If, hypothetically, it could be proven beyond a doubt that stricter gun laws would significantly reduce gun deaths (particularly re: children), would you then agree to jump through some hoops (longer wait, limits on ammo, etc.)?

Because I’m fairly confident you’re just making the conclusory argument that gun reform won’t work so that you don’t have to admit to yourself that you just don’t want to be bothered. But even you know it sounds bad to say “I will accept the status quo of gun deaths because I don’t want to be inconvenienced,” so instead you’ll contort yourself into pretzels to blame any f-ing thing except the guns.

“Gun laws don’t work” isn’t “conclusory argument.” It’s an observation of demonstrated fact. And continued pursuit of the same tired, failed “solutions” takes attention and resources away from dealing with whatever has happened in US society to make some people think killing their neighbors is a desirable goal.

It’s not a demonstrated fact. You are some kind of political shill here trying out the only possible line that you think will work: blame gun violence on black people, trans people and SSRIs. You’re disgusting and literally have the blood of children in your hands.

Stop engaging the guy who thinks life was best when women could not vote.

That is a total mischaracterization of that person's position.

Corellation is not causation doesn't mean that the trend that is noticed is always the cause. There's actually a whole website that is dedicated to correlations which is quite humerous, like increases in cheese sold correlates with murder rates.



Rather the takeaway is that this wasn't a problem in the past. Something has changed that made mass shootings increase inspite of it being harder to get firearms than it was in the past.

Agree.

At this point: I have a confession to make: I took a gun to school

Yes, it’s true: every day of my last year in high school, I took a gun onto school property. And ammunition. You see, I was on the rifle team. Most of the guns were kept on school grounds (in a locked locker), but my private coach lent me a target rifle; an Anschutz 1413; the type of 22 used for Olympics type target competition.

We had way more access to guns in the 1980s; the difference was: we would never use them for violence. That is what’s changed.

Notice how you didn't have an AR-15.

I'm not saying that's the only thing, or even the main thing, but it is absolutely contributing to the number of deaths per incident.

We always had one in the house, but you missed the point as usual, CGCL.

We had MORE access to guns in the past. Difference was: we did not use them on each other.

The issue is mental health. And that problem goes far beyond the rare mass shooting.

Do you think the people who want gun reform are against improving mental health treatment?

Like fine, I know mental health is a big part of the equation. But it’s basically become a talking point to avoid having to take any action re: access to guns, but then no one ever actually does anything about mental illness.

Why haven’t republicans came out with a big beautiful mental health bill if mental illness is the reason kids are getting shot up in their classrooms? Do they not care enough about the kids to fund better access to mental health treatment or online screening for domestic terrorist threats? I would be thrilled for this to be improved.

+1 and they cut funding for it. Stop yelling about mental health as the "root cause" then not addressing it.

Exactly. How much more ghoulish can the GOP/gun supporters be? To say guns aren't the problem (BS) and mental health is and then do NOTHING to improve mental health care but rather slash funding for research and mental health care.

They care way more about “owning the libs” than children and teachers being slaughtered at school. Like these are not anywhere near each other on their priority list.

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Anonymous wrote:This happened in my neighborhood, my community. My spouse went to high school with the father of one of the kids who died and we know 3 of the kids who were shot and survived.

It’s the guns. It’s always the guns. Mental health issues, societal problems, family issues, whatever it may be the guns are what make mass casualty events possible. There’s nothing else we can do but to ban and get rid of the f’in guns.

Agree. The mental health problems won't go away with a gun ban, but it makes those people far less deadly to others.

Except that if you’re not a mentally ill freak, owing guns is no problem at all.

DP. How are the people who sell guns supposed to identify mentally ill freaks?

Frankly I could have identified him as such just by looking at him.

20 something NEET whose only job was at a weed shop wearing pigtails and women's earrings...definitely a normal young man who needs a military grade firearm.
I want ALL gun crimes including illegal possession prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law regardless of whether the criminal belongs to a protected class. No exceptions.
-Republican

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Anonymous wrote:This literally doesn’t happen in any other country. It’s the guns. It will always be the guns. Anyone insisting otherwise is just not smart. At all.

They are gun nuts who are mentally ill.

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Anonymous wrote:This happened in my neighborhood, my community. My spouse went to high school with the father of one of the kids who died and we know 3 of the kids who were shot and survived.

It’s the guns. It’s always the guns. Mental health issues, societal problems, family issues, whatever it may be the guns are what make mass casualty events possible. There’s nothing else we can do but to ban and get rid of the f’in guns.

Agree. The mental health problems won't go away with a gun ban, but it makes those people far less deadly to others.

Except that if you’re not a mentally ill freak, owing guns is no problem at all.

DP. How are the people who sell guns supposed to identify mentally ill freaks?

Frankly I could have identified him as such just by looking at him.

20 something NEET whose only job was at a weed shop wearing pigtails and women's earrings...definitely a normal young man who needs a military grade firearm.
I want ALL gun crimes including illegal possession prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law regardless of whether the criminal belongs to a protected class. No exceptions.
-Republican

Prosecute gun crimes! Yes! But then it's too late. Most mass shooters kill themselves or are taken out during the event. There is no opportunity for justice for the victims and their families.

How about we do things BEFORE these people get the chance to kill others.

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Anonymous wrote:This happened in my neighborhood, my community. My spouse went to high school with the father of one of the kids who died and we know 3 of the kids who were shot and survived.

It’s the guns. It’s always the guns. Mental health issues, societal problems, family issues, whatever it may be the guns are what make mass casualty events possible. There’s nothing else we can do but to ban and get rid of the f’in guns.

Agree. The mental health problems won't go away with a gun ban, but it makes those people far less deadly to others.

Except that if you’re not a mentally ill freak, owing guns is no problem at all.

DP. How are the people who sell guns supposed to identify mentally ill freaks?

Frankly I could have identified him as such just by looking at him.

20 something NEET whose only job was at a weed shop wearing pigtails and women's earrings...definitely a normal young man who needs a military grade firearm.
I want ALL gun crimes including illegal possession prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law regardless of whether the criminal belongs to a protected class. No exceptions.
-Republican

Prosecute gun crimes! Yes! But then it's too late. Most mass shooters kill themselves or are taken out during the event. There is no opportunity for justice for the victims and their families.

How about we do things BEFORE these people get the chance to kill others.

Agreed! Let's get the so-called trans some real help instead of indulging their clear mental illness.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:This happened in my neighborhood, my community. My spouse went to high school with the father of one of the kids who died and we know 3 of the kids who were shot and survived.

It’s the guns. It’s always the guns. Mental health issues, societal problems, family issues, whatever it may be the guns are what make mass casualty events possible. There’s nothing else we can do but to ban and get rid of the f’in guns.

Agree. The mental health problems won't go away with a gun ban, but it makes those people far less deadly to others.

Except that if you’re not a mentally ill freak, owing guns is no problem at all.

DP. How are the people who sell guns supposed to identify mentally ill freaks?

Frankly I could have identified him as such just by looking at him.

20 something NEET whose only job was at a weed shop wearing pigtails and women's earrings...definitely a normal young man who needs a military grade firearm.
I want ALL gun crimes including illegal possession prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law regardless of whether the criminal belongs to a protected class. No exceptions.
-Republican

Prosecute gun crimes! Yes! But then it's too late. Most mass shooters kill themselves or are taken out during the event. There is no opportunity for justice for the victims and their families.

How about we do things BEFORE these people get the chance to kill others.

Agreed! Let's get the so-called trans some real help instead of indulging their clear mental illness.

As soon as you agree to outlaw assault rifles and high capacity magazines. We’ll wait.