20 victims reported at Annunciation Catholic School in Minneapolis

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:Question for those who claim gun laws don’t work.

If, hypothetically, it could be proven beyond a doubt that stricter gun laws would significantly reduce gun deaths (particularly re: children), would you then agree to jump through some hoops (longer wait, limits on ammo, etc.)?

Because I’m fairly confident you’re just making the conclusory argument that gun reform won’t work so that you don’t have to admit to yourself that you just don’t want to be bothered. But even you know it sounds bad to say “I will accept the status quo of gun deaths because I don’t want to be inconvenienced,” so instead you’ll contort yourself into pretzels to blame any f-ing thing except the guns.

“Gun laws don’t work” isn’t “conclusory argument.” It’s an observation of demonstrated fact. And continued pursuit of the same tired, failed “solutions” takes attention and resources away from dealing with whatever has happened in US society to make some people think killing their neighbors is a desirable goal.

It’s not a demonstrated fact. You are some kind of political shill here trying out the only possible line that you think will work: blame gun violence on black people, trans people and SSRIs. You’re disgusting and literally have the blood of children in your hands.

Stop engaging the guy who thinks life was best when women could not vote.

That is a total mischaracterization of that person's position.

Corellation is not causation doesn't mean that the trend that is noticed is always the cause. There's actually a whole website that is dedicated to correlations which is quite humerous, like increases in cheese sold correlates with murder rates.



Rather the takeaway is that this wasn't a problem in the past. Something has changed that made mass shootings increase inspite of it being harder to get firearms than it was in the past.

At last, a person who pays attention!

And I have not made any comments about women voting.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Question for those who claim gun laws don’t work.

If, hypothetically, it could be proven beyond a doubt that stricter gun laws would significantly reduce gun deaths (particularly re: children), would you then agree to jump through some hoops (longer wait, limits on ammo, etc.)?

Because I’m fairly confident you’re just making the conclusory argument that gun reform won’t work so that you don’t have to admit to yourself that you just don’t want to be bothered. But even you know it sounds bad to say “I will accept the status quo of gun deaths because I don’t want to be inconvenienced,” so instead you’ll contort yourself into pretzels to blame any f-ing thing except the guns.

“Gun laws don’t work” isn’t “conclusory argument.” It’s an observation of demonstrated fact. And continued pursuit of the same tired, failed “solutions” takes attention and resources away from dealing with whatever has happened in US society to make some people think killing their neighbors is a desirable goal.

It works in every other country in the world. But there are many selfish people in America who love their guns more than they love their childrens' safety.
https://theonion.com/no-way-to-prevent-this-says-only-nation-where-this-r-1848971668/
No Way To Prevent This,’ Says Only Nation Where This Regularly Happens
UVALDE, TX—In the hours following a violent rampage in Texas in which a lone attacker killed at least 21 individuals and injured several others, citizens living in the only country where this kind of mass killing routinely occurs reportedly concluded Tuesday that there was no way to prevent the massacre from taking place. “This was a terrible tragedy, but sometimes these things just happen and there’s nothing anyone can do to stop them,” said Idaho resident Kathy Miller, echoing sentiments expressed by tens of millions of individuals who reside in a nation where over half of the world’s deadliest mass shootings have occurred in the past 50 years and whose citizens are 20 times more likely to die of gun violence than those of other developed nations. “It’s a shame, but what can we do? There really wasn’t anything that was going to keep this individual from snapping and killing a lot of people if that’s what they really wanted.” At press time, residents of the only economically advanced nation in the world where roughly two mass shootings have occurred every month for the past eight years were referring to themselves and their situation as “helpless.”




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[Anonymous]

This happened in my neighborhood, my community. My spouse went to high school with the father of one of the kids who died and we know 3 of the kids who were shot and survived.

It’s the guns. It’s always the guns. Mental health issues, societal problems, family issues, whatever it may be the guns are what make mass casualty events possible. There’s nothing else we can do but to ban and get rid of the f’in guns.

[Anonymous]

About yesterday’s mass shooting during mass at Annunciation Catholic School in Minnesota Professor Adam Cochran at Mesa State College tweets the response that follows:


“Crazy that this guy was literally talking about his plans to shoot up this church for a month on the open internet, but @FBIDirectorKash and @PamBondi are too busy going after imaginary MS-13 Home Depot workers, if only they were doing their jobs instead.”

Professor Adam Cochran replies:

“As much as I’d like to blame Patel and Bondi here it’s this guys problem.

Thomas Fugate III, a 22 year old Trump intern who was appointed to lead counter terrorism & threat prevention at DHS.

He gutted the department firing 75% of the staff, suggesting ‘domestic terror’ and ‘domestic born shooters’ weren’t the problem and that the department needed to ‘focus on illegals’.

This department coordinates cross-agencies tips, and helps power online monitoring programs for proactively catching things like mass shootings before they happen.

But, given it’s got basically no staff, I imagine they are drowning in backlog, and too busy focused on the President’s made up agenda, and so didn’t catch the fact that the shooter was blatantly posting about his planned crimes online.

This is why we hire qualified people for offices; not partisan loyalists.

Today Trump’s loyalty pledge literally cost children their lives.”

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:About yesterday’s mass shooting during mass at Annunciation Catholic School in Minnesota Professor Adam Cochran at Mesa State College tweets the response that follows:


“Crazy that this guy was literally talking about his plans to shoot up this church for a month on the open internet, but @FBIDirectorKash and @PamBondi are too busy going after imaginary MS-13 Home Depot workers, if only they were doing their jobs instead.”

Professor Adam Cochran replies:

“As much as I’d like to blame Patel and Bondi here it’s this guys problem.

Thomas Fugate III, a 22 year old Trump intern who was appointed to lead counter terrorism & threat prevention at DHS.

He gutted the department firing 75% of the staff, suggesting ‘domestic terror’ and ‘domestic born shooters’ weren’t the problem and that the department needed to ‘focus on illegals’.

This department coordinates cross-agencies tips, and helps power online monitoring programs for proactively catching things like mass shootings before they happen.

But, given it’s got basically no staff, I imagine they are drowning in backlog, and too busy focused on the President’s made up agenda, and so didn’t catch the fact that the shooter was blatantly posting about his planned crimes online.

This is why we hire qualified people for offices; not partisan loyalists.

Today Trump’s loyalty pledge literally cost children their lives.”

Duh, Blue state, Blue city. Can you pathetic Democrats do ANYTHING on your own?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Question for those who claim gun laws don’t work.

If, hypothetically, it could be proven beyond a doubt that stricter gun laws would significantly reduce gun deaths (particularly re: children), would you then agree to jump through some hoops (longer wait, limits on ammo, etc.)?

Because I’m fairly confident you’re just making the conclusory argument that gun reform won’t work so that you don’t have to admit to yourself that you just don’t want to be bothered. But even you know it sounds bad to say “I will accept the status quo of gun deaths because I don’t want to be inconvenienced,” so instead you’ll contort yourself into pretzels to blame any f-ing thing except the guns.

“Gun laws don’t work” isn’t “conclusory argument.” It’s an observation of demonstrated fact. And continued pursuit of the same tired, failed “solutions” takes attention and resources away from dealing with whatever has happened in US society to make some people think killing their neighbors is a desirable goal.

It’s not a demonstrated fact. You are some kind of political shill here trying out the only possible line that you think will work: blame gun violence on black people, trans people and SSRIs. You’re disgusting and literally have the blood of children in your hands.

Stop engaging the guy who thinks life was best when women could not vote.

That is a total mischaracterization of that person's position.

Corellation is not causation doesn't mean that the trend that is noticed is always the cause. There's actually a whole website that is dedicated to correlations which is quite humerous, like increases in cheese sold correlates with murder rates.



Rather the takeaway is that this wasn't a problem in the past. Something has changed that made mass shootings increase inspite of it being harder to get firearms than it was in the past.

At last, a person who pays attention!

And I have not made any comments about women voting.

The "something" being implied is always that people need to he more Christian and traditional family with the woman home, right? So yeah, kinda misogynistic.

Sorry, society is not going back to that. There were also plenty of issues with that which you want to pretend did not exist years ago and put your head in the sand. The internet also happened. If your solution is just to go back, good luck, it is not happening. We need to adapt to the society we have now rather than just say go backwards because this is your made up, perceived cause.

Jefferson's comments about adapting laws to the times of the day rather than be beholden to laws of older generations still stand.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:This happened in my neighborhood, my community. My spouse went to high school with the father of one of the kids who died and we know 3 of the kids who were shot and survived.

It’s the guns. It’s always the guns. Mental health issues, societal problems, family issues, whatever it may be the guns are what make mass casualty events possible. There’s nothing else we can do but to ban and get rid of the f’in guns.

Agree. The mental health problems won't go away with a gun ban, but it makes those people far less deadly to others.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This happened in my neighborhood, my community. My spouse went to high school with the father of one of the kids who died and we know 3 of the kids who were shot and survived.

It’s the guns. It’s always the guns. Mental health issues, societal problems, family issues, whatever it may be the guns are what make mass casualty events possible. There’s nothing else we can do but to ban and get rid of the f’in guns.

Agree. The mental health problems won't go away with a gun ban, but it makes those people far less deadly to others.

Except that if you’re not a mentally ill freak, owing guns is no problem at all.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This happened in my neighborhood, my community. My spouse went to high school with the father of one of the kids who died and we know 3 of the kids who were shot and survived.

It’s the guns. It’s always the guns. Mental health issues, societal problems, family issues, whatever it may be the guns are what make mass casualty events possible. There’s nothing else we can do but to ban and get rid of the f’in guns.

Agree. The mental health problems won't go away with a gun ban, but it makes those people far less deadly to others.

Except that if you’re not a mentally ill freak, owing guns is no problem at all.

DP. How are the people who sell guns supposed to identify mentally ill freaks?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This happened in my neighborhood, my community. My spouse went to high school with the father of one of the kids who died and we know 3 of the kids who were shot and survived.

It’s the guns. It’s always the guns. Mental health issues, societal problems, family issues, whatever it may be the guns are what make mass casualty events possible. There’s nothing else we can do but to ban and get rid of the f’in guns.

Agree. The mental health problems won't go away with a gun ban, but it makes those people far less deadly to others.

Except that if you’re not a mentally ill freak, owing guns is no problem at all.

DP. How are the people who sell guns supposed to identify mentally ill freaks?

Background checks that include mental health evaluations, just like federal employees go through for security clearances. Certainly we should have this for semiautomatic rifle and handgun purchases.

And no, that's not going to stop gangs or drug dealers from getting these weapons. But they're not the ones going into churches and schools to kill kids.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Question for those who claim gun laws don’t work.

If, hypothetically, it could be proven beyond a doubt that stricter gun laws would significantly reduce gun deaths (particularly re: children), would you then agree to jump through some hoops (longer wait, limits on ammo, etc.)?

Because I’m fairly confident you’re just making the conclusory argument that gun reform won’t work so that you don’t have to admit to yourself that you just don’t want to be bothered. But even you know it sounds bad to say “I will accept the status quo of gun deaths because I don’t want to be inconvenienced,” so instead you’ll contort yourself into pretzels to blame any f-ing thing except the guns.

“Gun laws don’t work” isn’t “conclusory argument.” It’s an observation of demonstrated fact. And continued pursuit of the same tired, failed “solutions” takes attention and resources away from dealing with whatever has happened in US society to make some people think killing their neighbors is a desirable goal.

It’s not a demonstrated fact. You are some kind of political shill here trying out the only possible line that you think will work: blame gun violence on black people, trans people and SSRIs. You’re disgusting and literally have the blood of children in your hands.

Stop engaging the guy who thinks life was best when women could not vote.

That is a total mischaracterization of that person's position.

Corellation is not causation doesn't mean that the trend that is noticed is always the cause. There's actually a whole website that is dedicated to correlations which is quite humerous, like increases in cheese sold correlates with murder rates.



Rather the takeaway is that this wasn't a problem in the past. Something has changed that made mass shootings increase inspite of it being harder to get firearms than it was in the past.

At last, a person who pays attention!

And I have not made any comments about women voting.

The "something" being implied is always that people need to he more Christian and traditional family with the woman home, right? So yeah, kinda misogynistic.

Sorry, society is not going back to that. There were also plenty of issues with that which you want to pretend did not exist years ago and put your head in the sand. The internet also happened. If your solution is just to go back, good luck, it is not happening. We need to adapt to the society we have now rather than just say go backwards because this is your made up, perceived cause.

Jefferson's comments about adapting laws to the times of the day rather than be beholden to laws of older generations still stand.

As more women entered the workplace, get degrees, and children are effectively raised by others have socitial outcomes increased or decreased?

It's an interesting topic but an uncomfortable discussion that most won't entertain beyond acknowledging that education reduces the number of children.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This happened in my neighborhood, my community. My spouse went to high school with the father of one of the kids who died and we know 3 of the kids who were shot and survived.

It’s the guns. It’s always the guns. Mental health issues, societal problems, family issues, whatever it may be the guns are what make mass casualty events possible. There’s nothing else we can do but to ban and get rid of the f’in guns.

Agree. The mental health problems won't go away with a gun ban, but it makes those people far less deadly to others.

Except that if you’re not a mentally ill freak, owing guns is no problem at all.

DP. How are the people who sell guns supposed to identify mentally ill freaks?

Background checks that include mental health evaluations, just like federal employees go through for security clearances. Certainly we should have this for semiautomatic rifle and handgun purchases.

And no, that's not going to stop gangs or drug dealers from getting these weapons. But they're not the ones going into churches and schools to kill kids.

All lives matter, not just kids. We can't just dismiss the lives of criminals.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Question for those who claim gun laws don’t work.

If, hypothetically, it could be proven beyond a doubt that stricter gun laws would significantly reduce gun deaths (particularly re: children), would you then agree to jump through some hoops (longer wait, limits on ammo, etc.)?

Because I’m fairly confident you’re just making the conclusory argument that gun reform won’t work so that you don’t have to admit to yourself that you just don’t want to be bothered. But even you know it sounds bad to say “I will accept the status quo of gun deaths because I don’t want to be inconvenienced,” so instead you’ll contort yourself into pretzels to blame any f-ing thing except the guns.

“Gun laws don’t work” isn’t “conclusory argument.” It’s an observation of demonstrated fact. And continued pursuit of the same tired, failed “solutions” takes attention and resources away from dealing with whatever has happened in US society to make some people think killing their neighbors is a desirable goal.

It’s not a demonstrated fact. You are some kind of political shill here trying out the only possible line that you think will work: blame gun violence on black people, trans people and SSRIs. You’re disgusting and literally have the blood of children in your hands.

Stop engaging the guy who thinks life was best when women could not vote.

That is a total mischaracterization of that person's position.

Corellation is not causation doesn't mean that the trend that is noticed is always the cause. There's actually a whole website that is dedicated to correlations which is quite humerous, like increases in cheese sold correlates with murder rates.



Rather the takeaway is that this wasn't a problem in the past. Something has changed that made mass shootings increase inspite of it being harder to get firearms than it was in the past.

Agree.

At this point: I have a confession to make: I took a gun to school

Yes, it’s true: every day of my last year in high school, I took a gun onto school property. And ammunition. You see, I was on the rifle team. Most of the guns were kept on school grounds (in a locked locker), but my private coach lent me a target rifle; an Anschutz 1413; the type of 22 used for Olympics type target competition.

We had way more access to guns in the 1980s; the difference was: we would never use them for violence. That is what’s changed.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This happened in my neighborhood, my community. My spouse went to high school with the father of one of the kids who died and we know 3 of the kids who were shot and survived.

It’s the guns. It’s always the guns. Mental health issues, societal problems, family issues, whatever it may be the guns are what make mass casualty events possible. There’s nothing else we can do but to ban and get rid of the f’in guns.

Agree. The mental health problems won't go away with a gun ban, but it makes those people far less deadly to others.

Except that if you’re not a mentally ill freak, owing guns is no problem at all.

DP. How are the people who sell guns supposed to identify mentally ill freaks?

Background checks that include mental health evaluations, just like federal employees go through for security clearances. Certainly we should have this for semiautomatic rifle and handgun purchases.

And no, that's not going to stop gangs or drug dealers from getting these weapons. But they're not the ones going into churches and schools to kill kids.

All lives matter, not just kids. We can't just dismiss the lives of criminals.

Indeed we should do more to prevent crime, but the effective tools to address crazed mass shooters are going to be different than the tools to address gang and drug violence.

[Anonymous]

Problem solved!