Palestinians Starving - What Can We Do?

[Anonymous]

If, as alleged, Hamas embeds itself in mosques, schools, hospitals, and the like, Israel must refuse to attack those locations. That’s just how it goes.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:If, as alleged, Hamas embeds itself in mosques, schools, hospitals, and the like, Israel must refuse to attack those locations. That’s just how it goes.

Nope. Attack away.

[Anonymous]

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/ms-rachel-gaza-children-starving-b2754791.html

Despite the backlash and criticism she has been receiving, Ms. Rachel makes emotional plea for Gaza’s children as UN warns 14,000 babies could starve under Israeli blockade.

“Whatever is keeping you from standing up for these kids who don't have food and medical care, and who have had amputations without anesthesia, whatever is keeping you from saying it, it's not greater than your humanity,” said Ms Rachel.

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Anonymous wrote:https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/ms-rachel-gaza-children-starving-b2754791.html

Despite the backlash and criticism she has been receiving, Ms. Rachel makes emotional plea for Gaza’s children as UN warns 14,000 babies could starve under Israeli blockade.

“Whatever is keeping you from standing up for these kids who don't have food and medical care, and who have had amputations without anesthesia, whatever is keeping you from saying it, it's not greater than your humanity,” said Ms Rachel.

When a nursery school teacher calls out suffering by kids, believe it. Sad that she’s getting a backlash over this.

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Anonymous wrote:Former Israeli MK Moshe Feiglin and member Netanyahu's Likud party, states the following: "Every child, every baby in Gaza is an enemy. The enemy is not Hamas... We need to conquer Gaza and colonize it and not leave a single Gazan child there. There is no other victory."

https://x.com/QudsNen/status/1924823111230230814

This is sick. This is what zionism is.

How the hell does anyone stand by Israel?

I mean, I don’t agree with what is happening, but they aren’t wrong that Gazan children will grow up to hate Israelis and are effectively “the enemy.”

I mean, did Jewish survivors of the Holocaust grow up to love the Nazis?

Do vile things, and people will hate you. It's not incomprehensible nor nonsensical.

But that is also why the Israelis hate Hamas in the first place. It’s a viscous cycle. I can see why a Gazan child is a potential Hamas soldier to them. And I can understand why Gazans feel the same about Israeli children.

Your equivocation is gag inducing. Genocide is not the answer.

I already said I don’t agree with what’s happening. But a mutual hatred is hardly difficult to comprehend.

DP. The mutuality is difficult for me to understand. When you are displaced and brutalized, trying to fight back is understandable. It hasn't much helped the Palestinians, but I understand the reasoning. It's almost as if some Jews (Israelis and zionists) think Palestinians were responsible for the Holocaust - the hatred that many have for Palestinians is unwarranted and incomprehensible to me. Their hatred is overwhelmingly misplaced.

It would not be unreasonable for Israelis to have less than warm feelings toward the perpetrators of the October 7 massacre, namely, Hamas and its associates of that day.

How utterly privileged of Israelis to think this began on October 7th.

The October 7 massacre perpetrated by Hamas did indeed occur on October 7. It would not be unreasonable for Israelis to be concerned that Ha*** vowed to repeat it.

You cannot possibly be this bad at reading.

Not sure I follow. I am having a hard time with seeing how the Israelis murdered, raped, maimed, burned, and kidnapped on October 7 were privileged. Not sure what the “this” is.

Here's my comment again: "How utterly privileged of Israelis to think this began on October 7th."

The fact that you think the October 7th was the inauguration of things, makes it incredibly clear how privileged you are, to completely ignore the crimes, the persecution, the horrors, the trauma, and the displacement faced by Palestinians LONG, LONG, LONG before October 7th. October 7th was terrible, but it's a blip in the grand experience and terrorism inflicted BY Israel and ONTO Palestinians for many many decades.

I don’t think that the worst massacre of Jews since the Holocaust was a “blip.” And I have no idea what “the inauguration of things” even means.

And this is exactly why more and more people are losing sympathy for Israelis. They are in their own incredibly privilaged bubble of disassociative isolation.

Not sure I follow. More and more people are losing sympathy for Israelis because Israelis were slaughtered on October 7?

No, it’s because Israel’s wiping out of Gaza (starvation of Palestinians, sniper shootings of children, destruction of hospitals, targeting relief groups, etc.) is a disproportionate response to October 7.

Even Israeli soldiers are protesting:

https://www.pbs.org/newshour/world/protest-letters-from-former-israeli-soldiers-reveal-major-rifts-over-ongoing-war-in-gaza

OK, so the argument has now shifted to it’s a “disproportionate” response. That is progress.

Anyone with 2 brain cells to rub together understands that keeping aid from starving, dying children (who btw did not choose to hurt Israelis) is not a proportionate response.

I was fairly ambivalent about all this before (heartbroken by the innocent people being harmed, but aware that both sides were committing wrongs). But now I and so disgusted by Israel and how many of its citizens are supporting this that I can no longer muster any sympathy for them.

And I also judge them even more for hurling accusations of antisemitism if anyone calls them out for genocide.

Nope, you don’t get to commit atrocities and then cite historical atrocities against your ancestors as a shield to responsibility for your actions.

[Anonymous]

^^ well said!

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Anonymous wrote:Former Israeli MK Moshe Feiglin and member Netanyahu's Likud party, states the following: "Every child, every baby in Gaza is an enemy. The enemy is not Hamas... We need to conquer Gaza and colonize it and not leave a single Gazan child there. There is no other victory."

https://x.com/QudsNen/status/1924823111230230814

This is sick. This is what zionism is.

How the hell does anyone stand by Israel?

I mean, I don’t agree with what is happening, but they aren’t wrong that Gazan children will grow up to hate Israelis and are effectively “the enemy.”

I mean, did Jewish survivors of the Holocaust grow up to love the Nazis?

Do vile things, and people will hate you. It's not incomprehensible nor nonsensical.

But that is also why the Israelis hate Hamas in the first place. It’s a viscous cycle. I can see why a Gazan child is a potential Hamas soldier to them. And I can understand why Gazans feel the same about Israeli children.

Your equivocation is gag inducing. Genocide is not the answer.

I already said I don’t agree with what’s happening. But a mutual hatred is hardly difficult to comprehend.

DP. The mutuality is difficult for me to understand. When you are displaced and brutalized, trying to fight back is understandable. It hasn't much helped the Palestinians, but I understand the reasoning. It's almost as if some Jews (Israelis and zionists) think Palestinians were responsible for the Holocaust - the hatred that many have for Palestinians is unwarranted and incomprehensible to me. Their hatred is overwhelmingly misplaced.

It would not be unreasonable for Israelis to have less than warm feelings toward the perpetrators of the October 7 massacre, namely, Hamas and its associates of that day.

How utterly privileged of Israelis to think this began on October 7th.

The October 7 massacre perpetrated by Hamas did indeed occur on October 7. It would not be unreasonable for Israelis to be concerned that Ha*** vowed to repeat it.

You cannot possibly be this bad at reading.

Not sure I follow. I am having a hard time with seeing how the Israelis murdered, raped, maimed, burned, and kidnapped on October 7 were privileged. Not sure what the “this” is.

Here's my comment again: "How utterly privileged of Israelis to think this began on October 7th."

The fact that you think the October 7th was the inauguration of things, makes it incredibly clear how privileged you are, to completely ignore the crimes, the persecution, the horrors, the trauma, and the displacement faced by Palestinians LONG, LONG, LONG before October 7th. October 7th was terrible, but it's a blip in the grand experience and terrorism inflicted BY Israel and ONTO Palestinians for many many decades.

I don’t think that the worst massacre of Jews since the Holocaust was a “blip.” And I have no idea what “the inauguration of things” even means.

And this is exactly why more and more people are losing sympathy for Israelis. They are in their own incredibly privilaged bubble of disassociative isolation.

Not sure I follow. More and more people are losing sympathy for Israelis because Israelis were slaughtered on October 7?

No, it’s because Israel’s wiping out of Gaza (starvation of Palestinians, sniper shootings of children, destruction of hospitals, targeting relief groups, etc.) is a disproportionate response to October 7.

Even Israeli soldiers are protesting:

https://www.pbs.org/newshour/world/protest-letters-from-former-israeli-soldiers-reveal-major-rifts-over-ongoing-war-in-gaza

OK, so the argument has now shifted to it’s a “disproportionate” response. That is progress.

Anyone with 2 brain cells to rub together understands that keeping aid from starving, dying children (who btw did not choose to hurt Israelis) is not a proportionate response.

I was fairly ambivalent about all this before (heartbroken by the innocent people being harmed, but aware that both sides were committing wrongs). But now I and so disgusted by Israel and how many of its citizens are supporting this that I can no longer muster any sympathy for them.

And I also judge them even more for hurling accusations of antisemitism if anyone calls them out for genocide.

Nope, you don’t get to commit atrocities and then cite historical atrocities against your ancestors as a shield to responsibility for your actions.

This is what people who are paying attention think but sadly as we’ve witnessed, a good amount of Americans just don’t care. They don’t care that Trump is dumping people into hostile territory like S. Sudan. They don’t care that Israel leaders are big fat liars who murder medics and ambulance drivers and journalists on top of these small children.

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Anonymous wrote:Former Israeli MK Moshe Feiglin and member Netanyahu's Likud party, states the following: "Every child, every baby in Gaza is an enemy. The enemy is not Hamas... We need to conquer Gaza and colonize it and not leave a single Gazan child there. There is no other victory."

https://x.com/QudsNen/status/1924823111230230814

This is sick. This is what zionism is.

How the hell does anyone stand by Israel?

I mean, I don’t agree with what is happening, but they aren’t wrong that Gazan children will grow up to hate Israelis and are effectively “the enemy.”

I mean, did Jewish survivors of the Holocaust grow up to love the Nazis?

Do vile things, and people will hate you. It's not incomprehensible nor nonsensical.

But that is also why the Israelis hate Hamas in the first place. It’s a viscous cycle. I can see why a Gazan child is a potential Hamas soldier to them. And I can understand why Gazans feel the same about Israeli children.

Your equivocation is gag inducing. Genocide is not the answer.

I already said I don’t agree with what’s happening. But a mutual hatred is hardly difficult to comprehend.

DP. The mutuality is difficult for me to understand. When you are displaced and brutalized, trying to fight back is understandable. It hasn't much helped the Palestinians, but I understand the reasoning. It's almost as if some Jews (Israelis and zionists) think Palestinians were responsible for the Holocaust - the hatred that many have for Palestinians is unwarranted and incomprehensible to me. Their hatred is overwhelmingly misplaced.

It would not be unreasonable for Israelis to have less than warm feelings toward the perpetrators of the October 7 massacre, namely, Hamas and its associates of that day.

How utterly privileged of Israelis to think this began on October 7th.

The October 7 massacre perpetrated by Hamas did indeed occur on October 7. It would not be unreasonable for Israelis to be concerned that Ha*** vowed to repeat it.

You cannot possibly be this bad at reading.

Not sure I follow. I am having a hard time with seeing how the Israelis murdered, raped, maimed, burned, and kidnapped on October 7 were privileged. Not sure what the “this” is.

Here's my comment again: "How utterly privileged of Israelis to think this began on October 7th."

The fact that you think the October 7th was the inauguration of things, makes it incredibly clear how privileged you are, to completely ignore the crimes, the persecution, the horrors, the trauma, and the displacement faced by Palestinians LONG, LONG, LONG before October 7th. October 7th was terrible, but it's a blip in the grand experience and terrorism inflicted BY Israel and ONTO Palestinians for many many decades.

I don’t think that the worst massacre of Jews since the Holocaust was a “blip.” And I have no idea what “the inauguration of things” even means.

Civilized people generally don’t elevate certain groups of people above others, so “of Jews” is a completely immaterial distinction to most.

At this point, 50 dead Palestinians in the past 18 months for every 1 dead Israeli on 10/7 makes the point clear. Israel is very clearly the problem. Full stop.

That assumed two sides that value life in the same way. Martyrdom cultures do not.

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Anonymous wrote:Former Israeli MK Moshe Feiglin and member Netanyahu's Likud party, states the following: "Every child, every baby in Gaza is an enemy. The enemy is not Hamas... We need to conquer Gaza and colonize it and not leave a single Gazan child there. There is no other victory."

https://x.com/QudsNen/status/1924823111230230814

This is sick. This is what zionism is.

How the hell does anyone stand by Israel?

I mean, I don’t agree with what is happening, but they aren’t wrong that Gazan children will grow up to hate Israelis and are effectively “the enemy.”

I mean, did Jewish survivors of the Holocaust grow up to love the Nazis?

Do vile things, and people will hate you. It's not incomprehensible nor nonsensical.

But that is also why the Israelis hate Hamas in the first place. It’s a viscous cycle. I can see why a Gazan child is a potential Hamas soldier to them. And I can understand why Gazans feel the same about Israeli children.

Your equivocation is gag inducing. Genocide is not the answer.

I already said I don’t agree with what’s happening. But a mutual hatred is hardly difficult to comprehend.

DP. The mutuality is difficult for me to understand. When you are displaced and brutalized, trying to fight back is understandable. It hasn't much helped the Palestinians, but I understand the reasoning. It's almost as if some Jews (Israelis and zionists) think Palestinians were responsible for the Holocaust - the hatred that many have for Palestinians is unwarranted and incomprehensible to me. Their hatred is overwhelmingly misplaced.

It would not be unreasonable for Israelis to have less than warm feelings toward the perpetrators of the October 7 massacre, namely, Hamas and its associates of that day.

How utterly privileged of Israelis to think this began on October 7th.

The October 7 massacre perpetrated by Hamas did indeed occur on October 7. It would not be unreasonable for Israelis to be concerned that Ha*** vowed to repeat it.

You cannot possibly be this bad at reading.

Not sure I follow. I am having a hard time with seeing how the Israelis murdered, raped, maimed, burned, and kidnapped on October 7 were privileged. Not sure what the “this” is.

Here's my comment again: "How utterly privileged of Israelis to think this began on October 7th."

The fact that you think the October 7th was the inauguration of things, makes it incredibly clear how privileged you are, to completely ignore the crimes, the persecution, the horrors, the trauma, and the displacement faced by Palestinians LONG, LONG, LONG before October 7th. October 7th was terrible, but it's a blip in the grand experience and terrorism inflicted BY Israel and ONTO Palestinians for many many decades.

I don’t think that the worst massacre of Jews since the Holocaust was a “blip.” And I have no idea what “the inauguration of things” even means.

And this is exactly why more and more people are losing sympathy for Israelis. They are in their own incredibly privilaged bubble of disassociative isolation.

Not sure I follow. More and more people are losing sympathy for Israelis because Israelis were slaughtered on October 7?

No, it’s because Israel’s wiping out of Gaza (starvation of Palestinians, sniper shootings of children, destruction of hospitals, targeting relief groups, etc.) is a disproportionate response to October 7.

Even Israeli soldiers are protesting:

https://www.pbs.org/newshour/world/protest-letters-from-former-israeli-soldiers-reveal-major-rifts-over-ongoing-war-in-gaza

OK, so the argument has now shifted to it’s a “disproportionate” response. That is progress.

Anyone with 2 brain cells to rub together understands that keeping aid from starving, dying children (who btw did not choose to hurt Israelis) is not a proportionate response.

I was fairly ambivalent about all this before (heartbroken by the innocent people being harmed, but aware that both sides were committing wrongs). But now I and so disgusted by Israel and how many of its citizens are supporting this that I can no longer muster any sympathy for them.

And I also judge them even more for hurling accusations of antisemitism if anyone calls them out for genocide.

Nope, you don’t get to commit atrocities and then cite historical atrocities against your ancestors as a shield to responsibility for your actions.

+100

There is no moral high ground to be found on either "side" when the murder of innocent people is a popular tool of warfare in a never ending conflict.

[Anonymous]

It could be argued that it would be constructive if those who hold Israeli hostages in Gaza would release them.

[Anonymous]

Hamas could have ended this at any point.

[Anonymous]

Blame Hamas. Always blame Hamas. And then Iran. And then Egypt.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Blame Hamas. Always blame Hamas. And then Iran. And then Egypt.

So why haven’t they released the hostages they took?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Blame Hamas. Always blame Hamas. And then Iran. And then Egypt.

Blame Hamas for seizing hostages?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:It could be argued that it would be constructive if those who hold Israeli hostages in Gaza would release them.

It could be argued that it would be constructive if those who hold Palestinian hostages (10,000) in Israel would release them.