RTO and No Childcare.

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Anonymous wrote:Karen, Janice, Steven. How do you all know each other??

Office holiday party. Which we shouldn't talk about.

[Anonymous]

Stop working the same shift over and over. This is a 24-hour world. Work 2nd or 3rd shift at something. You all claim to be educated and smart but I see no evidence of it.

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Anonymous wrote:Stop working the same shift over and over. This is a 24-hour world. Work 2nd or 3rd shift at something. You all claim to be educated and smart but I see no evidence of it.

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Anonymous wrote:Stop working the same shift over and over. This is a 24-hour world. Work 2nd or 3rd shift at something. You all claim to be educated and smart but I see no evidence of it.

Yes! My sister works 6pm-2am or 8pm-4am. She loves it. Night owl. She quit teaching 8am-4pm as she could not stand the morning hours. Her DH worked 6am-3pm; he loved early mornings. Childcare never an issue for them.

They did nut need DCUM to figure it out for them.

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Anonymous wrote:Stop working the same shift over and over. This is a 24-hour world. Work 2nd or 3rd shift at something. You all claim to be educated and smart but I see no evidence of it.

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What a dolt. Female here. Strong feminist. Grow some and take care of your family doing what you need to do. I am so ashamed for women these days. "Help me , I'm so weak! I had better complain."

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Anonymous wrote:It’s not a lack of childcare that’s the problem; it’s that these women want to have it both ways. They don’t want to pay anyone else to watch their children, they prefer to fleece their employers.

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There are plenty of before and after care options. People just don’t want to pay. Though it’s the responsibility of mom and dad, not just mom, in ideal circumstances.

-A single mom breadwinner with sole custody who pays for child care and full time summer camp

Completely depends where you are, all the daycare centers that offer full daycare are at capacity around me. Preschool runs until 3pm at the latest. There is a waitlist for the school offered after care if your kid is school age.

There is a waitlist if you sign up today. If you had signed up years ago when your kid started K, you would be off the waitlist by now.

Look, I totally get that people wanted to save money on childcare and have their kids home with them. But just own it. Own that it was a choice that you intentionally made. It was great while it lasted but now you have to pay the piper and it’s not everybody else’s fault/problem.

So you think a kid who has a parent at home after school should spend years in aftercare just in case? I doubt a program with a wait-list would let you pay for a spot youre not using. I do not think that is rational.

They could actually use the spot. We have plenty of neighbors who do that. They actually have to do work at home so they can't pop out to the bus stop or get snacks out or host a playdate while "working".

Again, this is on parents who thought they could F around and found out.

I work from 7 to 3:30. DH gets the kids out in am while I am working (in my office in the basement with the door closed. I rarely see them). I pick them up at the bus 30 minutes AFTER the end of my work day. This is what most parents do. Do you have plenty of neighbors who keep their kids in aftercare when they are not working? I do not think DCUM approves.

What’s stopping you from doing that going forward? If your commute is long, do 6:30-3 instead.

But but but she wants to workout first and walk the dog with the neighbors and run errands at lunch and can't do that in person

what is your job?

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Anonymous wrote:And here we go - rocketing back to the times when it was a badge of honor to have an all-hours job where you ignored your children and gave everything to work umpteen hours a day. And for what? The ability to bore your younger colleagues with your war stories until you finally retire and get out of their way? Yay.

For your paycheck? No one asked you to ignore your children and you shouldn't. But if you have a job, you are required to put your 8 hours a day in it if you are paid 8 hours a day. If you do not want to or can't put 8 hours a day to your job, go part time or find a job that you can go part time, or quit.

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Anonymous wrote:Stop working the same shift over and over. This is a 24-hour world. Work 2nd or 3rd shift at something. You all claim to be educated and smart but I see no evidence of it.

J1 J2 J2 guy has entered the chat.

What a dolt. Female here. Strong feminist. Grow some and take care of your family doing what you need to do. I am so ashamed for women these days. "Help me , I'm so weak! I had better complain."

who is not taking care of their families? I don't see any evidence of that. If anything we would like to actually do that better. It's so odd that you don't support things that help families have more connections with their children.

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Anonymous wrote:And here we go - rocketing back to the times when it was a badge of honor to have an all-hours job where you ignored your children and gave everything to work umpteen hours a day. And for what? The ability to bore your younger colleagues with your war stories until you finally retire and get out of their way? Yay.

For your paycheck? No one asked you to ignore your children and you shouldn't. But if you have a job, you are required to put your 8 hours a day in it if you are paid 8 hours a day. If you do not want to or can't put 8 hours a day to your job, go part time or find a job that you can go part time, or quit.

Janice, everyone IS putting in 8.5 hours a day. Why can't you grasp that.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Stop working the same shift over and over. This is a 24-hour world. Work 2nd or 3rd shift at something. You all claim to be educated and smart but I see no evidence of it.

I have worked 2nd and 3rd shift before. They aren’t available in all job sectors. And when they are, people often don’t have a choice about working them. This is why I had my cousin’s five kids for a week while she and her husband both worked third shift. A computer schedules them and doesn’t care about child care. My cousin and her husband make good money but if no one responsible in your market is willing to do overnight child care, working third shift is not sustainable.

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Anonymous wrote:^ Btw, those of us in the private sector don’t get to set our own hours like that. If an important meeting is scheduled with my SVP at 4pm I can’t just peace out bc my shift is over. I mean I can, but that would have consequences long-term

What is SVP?[b]

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Anonymous wrote:It’s not a lack of childcare that’s the problem; it’s that these women want to have it both ways. They don’t want to pay anyone else to watch their children, they prefer to fleece their employers.

+1

There are plenty of before and after care options. People just don’t want to pay. Though it’s the responsibility of mom and dad, not just mom, in ideal circumstances.

-A single mom breadwinner with sole custody who pays for child care and full time summer camp

Completely depends where you are, all the daycare centers that offer full daycare are at capacity around me. Preschool runs until 3pm at the latest. There is a waitlist for the school offered after care if your kid is school age.

There is a waitlist if you sign up today. If you had signed up years ago when your kid started K, you would be off the waitlist by now.

Look, I totally get that people wanted to save money on childcare and have their kids home with them. But just own it. Own that it was a choice that you intentionally made. It was great while it lasted but now you have to pay the piper and it’s not everybody else’s fault/problem.

So you think a kid who has a parent at home after school should spend years in aftercare just in case? I doubt a program with a wait-list would let you pay for a spot youre not using. I do not think that is rational.

They could actually use the spot. We have plenty of neighbors who do that. They actually have to do work at home so they can't pop out to the bus stop or get snacks out or host a playdate while "working".

Again, this is on parents who thought they could F around and found out.

I work from 7 to 3:30. DH gets the kids out in am while I am working (in my office in the basement with the door closed. I rarely see them). I pick them up at the bus 30 minutes AFTER the end of my work day. This is what most parents do. Do you have plenty of neighbors who keep their kids in aftercare when they are not working? I do not think DCUM approves.

What’s stopping you from doing that going forward? If your commute is long, do 6:30-3 instead.

DH has to commute in the am now too. He is a BU so hopefully only 2 days a week.

Hunh?

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Anonymous wrote:It’s not a lack of childcare that’s the problem; it’s that these women want to have it both ways. They don’t want to pay anyone else to watch their children, they prefer to fleece their employers.

+1

There are plenty of before and after care options. People just don’t want to pay. Though it’s the responsibility of mom and dad, not just mom, in ideal circumstances.

-A single mom breadwinner with sole custody who pays for child care and full time summer camp

Completely depends where you are, all the daycare centers that offer full daycare are at capacity around me. Preschool runs until 3pm at the latest. There is a waitlist for the school offered after care if your kid is school age.

There is a waitlist if you sign up today. If you had signed up years ago when your kid started K, you would be off the waitlist by now.

Look, I totally get that people wanted to save money on childcare and have their kids home with them. But just own it. Own that it was a choice that you intentionally made. It was great while it lasted but now you have to pay the piper and it’s not everybody else’s fault/problem.

So you think a kid who has a parent at home after school should spend years in aftercare just in case? I doubt a program with a wait-list would let you pay for a spot youre not using. I do not think that is rational.

They could actually use the spot. We have plenty of neighbors who do that. They actually have to do work at home so they can't pop out to the bus stop or get snacks out or host a playdate while "working".

Again, this is on parents who thought they could F around and found out.

I work from 7 to 3:30. DH gets the kids out in am while I am working (in my office in the basement with the door closed. I rarely see them). I pick them up at the bus 30 minutes AFTER the end of my work day. This is what most parents do. Do you have plenty of neighbors who keep their kids in aftercare when they are not working? I do not think DCUM approves.

What’s stopping you from doing that going forward? If your commute is long, do 6:30-3 instead.

DH has to commute in the am now too. He is a BU so hopefully only 2 days a week.

Hunh?

bargaining unit

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Stop working the same shift over and over. This is a 24-hour world. Work 2nd or 3rd shift at something. You all claim to be educated and smart but I see no evidence of it.

Yes! My sister works 6pm-2am or 8pm-4am. She loves it. Night owl. She quit teaching 8am-4pm as she could not stand the morning hours. Her DH worked 6am-3pm; he loved early mornings. Childcare never an issue for them.

They did nut need DCUM to figure it out for them.

Shiftwork only works if neither spouse has to travel. My spouse is a fed and travels quite a lot. There's no way I could go transfer into some overnight position. I actually had to leave such a position once we had kids for that reason.

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Anonymous wrote:Stop working the same shift over and over. This is a 24-hour world. Work 2nd or 3rd shift at something. You all claim to be educated and smart but I see no evidence of it.

J1 J2 J2 guy has entered the chat.

What a dolt. Female here. Strong feminist. Grow some and take care of your family doing what you need to do. I am so ashamed for women these days. "Help me , I'm so weak! I had better complain."

who is not taking care of their families? I don't see any evidence of that. If anything we would like to actually do that better. It's so odd that you don't support things that help families have more connections with their children.

That's your job to figure out, honey, not the government's.