FCPS comprehensive boundary review

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Anonymous wrote:I looked at the 2023 election results for the various precincts that send students to West Springfield. They seem to vote consistently for Democrats. Including the School Board at large and their district members. The one exception, for those in the Springfield district, they did narrowly favor Pat Herrity on the County Board.

Point is, the Democrats are the ones who have been all about liberal immigration (or essentially, no enforcement) and they are also the party that is pushing boundary changes. They control the entire school board, and they started talking about boundary changes five years ago. So if you live in the West Springfield feeding precincts and supported the Democrats in 2023, you essentially signed up for boundary changes.

Maybe yes, maybe no. Show us where any candidate running in 2023 said county-wide boundary changes would be a top priority. It was a different group than was on the School Board back in 2018 and a lot of things happened in the intervening years, most notably Covid and all the related issues around remote learning, remediating learning loss, etc.

No doubt the Rs, unhappy that their far-right candidates can't get elected, take some satisfaction from telling people now that "you had in coming," but most of us feel sandbagged that the group elected last fall has pursued this county-wide boundary review when there's not much demand for it and FCPS enrollment is essentially flat.

Well, the party in control in 2019 (Democrats) did signal they wanted to look at boundaries. If you are in an edge community such as Daventry or Hunt Valley, then you should have taken that as a warning. It does not seem that was done. So here we are.

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The important distinction from your last sentence is that Daventry is a neighborhood whereas Hunt Valley is a school. I am a Hunt Valley parent and my only comfort/hope at this point is that I believe that if we remain zoned for Hunt Valley then we are safe, because I don't see a scenario in which the SB will be able to defend, much less accept from the consultants that HV should move to Lewis.

The only option would be to move ALL of HVES - the WHOLE SCHOOL - to Lewis. Which would leave WSHS quite under capacity, and might create an awkward situation in ~10 years if a bunch of development really does happen in Springfield or in Alexandria zoned for Edison if boundaries between Lewis and Edison have to be adjusted again to account for more development. But at the same time, the situation with the school quality and accreditation metrics may force their hands.

This is just a crazy nonsense post that completely ignores the geography of the area (HV is the farthest elementary from Lewis, with many of its neighborhoods closer to WSHS than several other WSHS zoned neighborhoods) and the political districts (most of West Springfield Elementary, including super close to Lewis neighborhood Daventry was recently redistricted by the democratic Board of Supervisors to the Franconia magisterial district, which includes the school board rep for Lewis. HV is part of the Springfield magisterial district, which falls under the school board rep for WSHS.)

This post is so nonsensical, one can only think it is coming from the Saratoga mom troll, or some Daventry person who desperately wants FCPS to jump past their neighborhood and 4-5 other elementary schools, to pick the farthest zoned WSHS elementary from Lewis so they can remain at WSHS.

It is silly to keep claiming that HV is the first choice for rezoning.

Either post the receipts showing school board convos that HV is getting rezoned to Lewis, or just stop.

I continue to parrot Sandy Anderson's response to a concerned HV parent: HV is not the closest WSHS pyramid elementary school closest to Lewis, and Lewis is not the closest or second closest high school to HV. She does not believe HV is at risk of being rezoned. This makes me optimistic because Sandy is the person representing me as a Springfield district citizen. She does not represent OKM or WSES, which I believe are more ideal targets for transitioning to Lewis.

However, I believe part of the HV population south of the FFX parkway is at high risk of being rezoned to Newington Forest and thus South County.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I looked at the 2023 election results for the various precincts that send students to West Springfield. They seem to vote consistently for Democrats. Including the School Board at large and their district members. The one exception, for those in the Springfield district, they did narrowly favor Pat Herrity on the County Board.

Point is, the Democrats are the ones who have been all about liberal immigration (or essentially, no enforcement) and they are also the party that is pushing boundary changes. They control the entire school board, and they started talking about boundary changes five years ago. So if you live in the West Springfield feeding precincts and supported the Democrats in 2023, you essentially signed up for boundary changes.

No, people here didn't because NONE of the candidates mentioned this or even gave a whiff of a hint that this was coming. I live in West Springfield and I read EVERY webpage for all of the candidates, including the At-Large candidates. I saw a lot of code words for Moms of Liberty book crap on the Republican candidates' sites. That's why I reluctantly voted for Dem candidates - despite still being upset at how the handled the Covid shutdown -- because the Ds were saying things like they wanted to improve language arts and teacher funding. NONE OF THEM CAMPAIGNED ON THIS.

Stop blaming people who actually take the time to vote. If you're still pissed that Republicans didn't get on the school board, maybe they should try to appeal to more centrist voters and stop focusing so much on who's using what bathroom.

You did not do your research.

The Ds on the school board talked about it non stop. One Fairfax. Equity, eqjity, equity.

And the person running for the Springfield rep was a moderate and much better option that Anderson.

You mean Debra Tisler? The woman who partnered on the project that resulted in the improper release of thousands of student records? (See: Can I sue Callie Oettinger? https://www.dcurbanmom.com/jforum/posts/list/1172964.page)

Debrah Tisler, who was quoted in this NBC News story (https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/glenn-youngkin-virginia-policy-fairfax-county-school-board-rcna122754): Before Debra Tisler, a former special education teacher, became a GOP-backed school board candidate, she waged a campaign to investigate the district’s spending, which turned into a legal battle she won. She said she’d been frustrated with her own yearslong attempt to get tutoring for her dyslexic son, and special education is the main issue she talks about on the campaign trail, but she also relates to concerns parents have over library books with sexually explicit passages.

“When you have graphic pictures of adults or children engaging in sexual activities, it’s harmful to children,” Tisler said. “And I’m very concerned for our children with autism and intellectual disabilities, as well, because if they see this information — this pictorial form in a cartoon that’s very friendly to them — it could make them vulnerable to think that it’s OK for an adult to want that type of sexual behavior from them.”


That's the moderate of which you speak? Uh, no.

That quote is a fairly mainstrean, moderate, left of center parenting perspective.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I looked at the 2023 election results for the various precincts that send students to West Springfield. They seem to vote consistently for Democrats. Including the School Board at large and their district members. The one exception, for those in the Springfield district, they did narrowly favor Pat Herrity on the County Board.

Point is, the Democrats are the ones who have been all about liberal immigration (or essentially, no enforcement) and they are also the party that is pushing boundary changes. They control the entire school board, and they started talking about boundary changes five years ago. So if you live in the West Springfield feeding precincts and supported the Democrats in 2023, you essentially signed up for boundary changes.

Maybe yes, maybe no. Show us where any candidate running in 2023 said county-wide boundary changes would be a top priority. It was a different group than was on the School Board back in 2018 and a lot of things happened in the intervening years, most notably Covid and all the related issues around remote learning, remediating learning loss, etc.

No doubt the Rs, unhappy that their far-right candidates can't get elected, take some satisfaction from telling people now that "you had in coming," but most of us feel sandbagged that the group elected last fall has pursued this county-wide boundary review when there's not much demand for it and FCPS enrollment is essentially flat.

Well, the party in control in 2019 (Democrats) did signal they wanted to look at boundaries. If you are in an edge community such as Daventry or Hunt Valley, then you should have taken that as a warning. It does not seem that was done. So here we are.

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The important distinction from your last sentence is that Daventry is a neighborhood whereas Hunt Valley is a school. I am a Hunt Valley parent and my only comfort/hope at this point is that I believe that if we remain zoned for Hunt Valley then we are safe, because I don't see a scenario in which the SB will be able to defend, much less accept from the consultants that HV should move to Lewis.

The only option would be to move ALL of HVES - the WHOLE SCHOOL - to Lewis. Which would leave WSHS quite under capacity, and might create an awkward situation in ~10 years if a bunch of development really does happen in Springfield or in Alexandria zoned for Edison if boundaries between Lewis and Edison have to be adjusted again to account for more development. But at the same time, the situation with the school quality and accreditation metrics may force their hands.

This is just a crazy nonsense post that completely ignores the geography of the area (HV is the farthest elementary from Lewis, with many of its neighborhoods closer to WSHS than several other WSHS zoned neighborhoods) and the political districts (most of West Springfield Elementary, including super close to Lewis neighborhood Daventry was recently redistricted by the democratic Board of Supervisors to the Franconia magisterial district, which includes the school board rep for Lewis. HV is part of the Springfield magisterial district, which falls under the school board rep for WSHS.)

This post is so nonsensical, one can only think it is coming from the Saratoga mom troll, or some Daventry person who desperately wants FCPS to jump past their neighborhood and 4-5 other elementary schools, to pick the farthest zoned WSHS elementary from Lewis so they can remain at WSHS.

It is silly to keep claiming that HV is the first choice for rezoning.

Either post the receipts showing school board convos that HV is getting rezoned to Lewis, or just stop.

I continue to parrot Sandy Anderson's response to a concerned HV parent: HV is not the closest WSHS pyramid elementary school closest to Lewis, and Lewis is not the closest or second closest high school to HV. She does not believe HV is at risk of being rezoned. This makes me optimistic because Sandy is the person representing me as a Springfield district citizen. She does not represent OKM or WSES, which I believe are more ideal targets for transitioning to Lewis.

However, I believe part of the HV population south of the FFX parkway is at high risk of being rezoned to Newington Forest and thus South County.

You should go back to the old locked thread and reread it instead of hashing this out again.

You would have to trust your board member to believe what they are saying. Sizemore said something to the effect of not breaking up the keene mill community which contains the middle school, so who knows.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I looked at the 2023 election results for the various precincts that send students to West Springfield. They seem to vote consistently for Democrats. Including the School Board at large and their district members. The one exception, for those in the Springfield district, they did narrowly favor Pat Herrity on the County Board.

Point is, the Democrats are the ones who have been all about liberal immigration (or essentially, no enforcement) and they are also the party that is pushing boundary changes. They control the entire school board, and they started talking about boundary changes five years ago. So if you live in the West Springfield feeding precincts and supported the Democrats in 2023, you essentially signed up for boundary changes.

Maybe yes, maybe no. Show us where any candidate running in 2023 said county-wide boundary changes would be a top priority. It was a different group than was on the School Board back in 2018 and a lot of things happened in the intervening years, most notably Covid and all the related issues around remote learning, remediating learning loss, etc.

No doubt the Rs, unhappy that their far-right candidates can't get elected, take some satisfaction from telling people now that "you had in coming," but most of us feel sandbagged that the group elected last fall has pursued this county-wide boundary review when there's not much demand for it and FCPS enrollment is essentially flat.

Well, the party in control in 2019 (Democrats) did signal they wanted to look at boundaries. If you are in an edge community such as Daventry or Hunt Valley, then you should have taken that as a warning. It does not seem that was done. So here we are.

.

The important distinction from your last sentence is that Daventry is a neighborhood whereas Hunt Valley is a school. I am a Hunt Valley parent and my only comfort/hope at this point is that I believe that if we remain zoned for Hunt Valley then we are safe, because I don't see a scenario in which the SB will be able to defend, much less accept from the consultants that HV should move to Lewis.

The only option would be to move ALL of HVES - the WHOLE SCHOOL - to Lewis. Which would leave WSHS quite under capacity, and might create an awkward situation in ~10 years if a bunch of development really does happen in Springfield or in Alexandria zoned for Edison if boundaries between Lewis and Edison have to be adjusted again to account for more development. But at the same time, the situation with the school quality and accreditation metrics may force their hands.

This is just a crazy nonsense post that completely ignores the geography of the area (HV is the farthest elementary from Lewis, with many of its neighborhoods closer to WSHS than several other WSHS zoned neighborhoods) and the political districts (most of West Springfield Elementary, including super close to Lewis neighborhood Daventry was recently redistricted by the democratic Board of Supervisors to the Franconia magisterial district, which includes the school board rep for Lewis. HV is part of the Springfield magisterial district, which falls under the school board rep for WSHS.)

This post is so nonsensical, one can only think it is coming from the Saratoga mom troll, or some Daventry person who desperately wants FCPS to jump past their neighborhood and 4-5 other elementary schools, to pick the farthest zoned WSHS elementary from Lewis so they can remain at WSHS.

It is silly to keep claiming that HV is the first choice for rezoning.

Either post the receipts showing school board convos that HV is getting rezoned to Lewis, or just stop.

I continue to parrot Sandy Anderson's response to a concerned HV parent: HV is not the closest WSHS pyramid elementary school closest to Lewis, and Lewis is not the closest or second closest high school to HV. She does not believe HV is at risk of being rezoned. This makes me optimistic because Sandy is the person representing me as a Springfield district citizen. She does not represent OKM or WSES, which I believe are more ideal targets for transitioning to Lewis.

However, I believe part of the HV population south of the FFX parkway is at high risk of being rezoned to Newington Forest and thus South County.

You should go back to the old locked thread and reread it instead of hashing this out again.

You would have to trust your board member to believe what they are saying. Sizemore said something to the effect of not breaking up the keene mill community which contains the middle school, so who knows.

There’s an obvious conflict between board members saying they are hiring outside consultants so they can obtain and rely on expert advice and their making even soft commitments to residents in advance. Tells me they are flailing and don’t really trust the process they put in motion.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I looked at the 2023 election results for the various precincts that send students to West Springfield. They seem to vote consistently for Democrats. Including the School Board at large and their district members. The one exception, for those in the Springfield district, they did narrowly favor Pat Herrity on the County Board.

Point is, the Democrats are the ones who have been all about liberal immigration (or essentially, no enforcement) and they are also the party that is pushing boundary changes. They control the entire school board, and they started talking about boundary changes five years ago. So if you live in the West Springfield feeding precincts and supported the Democrats in 2023, you essentially signed up for boundary changes.

Maybe yes, maybe no. Show us where any candidate running in 2023 said county-wide boundary changes would be a top priority. It was a different group than was on the School Board back in 2018 and a lot of things happened in the intervening years, most notably Covid and all the related issues around remote learning, remediating learning loss, etc.

No doubt the Rs, unhappy that their far-right candidates can't get elected, take some satisfaction from telling people now that "you had in coming," but most of us feel sandbagged that the group elected last fall has pursued this county-wide boundary review when there's not much demand for it and FCPS enrollment is essentially flat.

Well, the party in control in 2019 (Democrats) did signal they wanted to look at boundaries. If you are in an edge community such as Daventry or Hunt Valley, then you should have taken that as a warning. It does not seem that was done. So here we are.

.

The important distinction from your last sentence is that Daventry is a neighborhood whereas Hunt Valley is a school. I am a Hunt Valley parent and my only comfort/hope at this point is that I believe that if we remain zoned for Hunt Valley then we are safe, because I don't see a scenario in which the SB will be able to defend, much less accept from the consultants that HV should move to Lewis.

The only option would be to move ALL of HVES - the WHOLE SCHOOL - to Lewis. Which would leave WSHS quite under capacity, and might create an awkward situation in ~10 years if a bunch of development really does happen in Springfield or in Alexandria zoned for Edison if boundaries between Lewis and Edison have to be adjusted again to account for more development. But at the same time, the situation with the school quality and accreditation metrics may force their hands.

This is just a crazy nonsense post that completely ignores the geography of the area (HV is the farthest elementary from Lewis, with many of its neighborhoods closer to WSHS than several other WSHS zoned neighborhoods) and the political districts (most of West Springfield Elementary, including super close to Lewis neighborhood Daventry was recently redistricted by the democratic Board of Supervisors to the Franconia magisterial district, which includes the school board rep for Lewis. HV is part of the Springfield magisterial district, which falls under the school board rep for WSHS.)

This post is so nonsensical, one can only think it is coming from the Saratoga mom troll, or some Daventry person who desperately wants FCPS to jump past their neighborhood and 4-5 other elementary schools, to pick the farthest zoned WSHS elementary from Lewis so they can remain at WSHS.

It is silly to keep claiming that HV is the first choice for rezoning.

Either post the receipts showing school board convos that HV is getting rezoned to Lewis, or just stop.

To be clear, I don’t think moving all or any part of HVES to Lewis (either as a split feeder, moving those kids to probably Saratoga ES, or moving the whole school) is the likely outcome. At all. That’s Saratoga Lewis Booster Mom who posted upthread about “omg how wonderful it would be to have all the schools at 2200 students #equity.” I am just saying, the only way to not have the affected families sell and move elsewhere in the pyramid for MS/HS is to move the whole entire school. Whatever school that may be. A few neighborhoods around the edges won’t accomplish anything other than causing a run on real estate. I do think they know that and I don’t think balancing for raw enrollment numbers is a huge concern right now when all those attendance islands and weird borders exist elsewhere. They will probably look to clean up the ES borders within WS’s current area since Keene Mill ES has weird borders with an island above Orange Hunt’s boundaries while KMES sits on the eastern end of WS’s attendance area. It makes more geographic sense for those kids to be at OH, but OH can’t really absorb any more students and KM’s attendance island is fairly dense with townhomes so potentially a lot more students there.

[Anonymous]

(Or they could give that whole attendance island to White Oaks and Lake Braddock as an alternative since a small part of it already split feeds to LB.)

[Anonymous]

Even now, the school board members mislead the public.

After the school board revised 8130 over the summer with equitable access being one of the primary factors for redistricting, Dunne pretends that it isn’t:

https://northernvirginiamag.com/culture/news/2024/10/29/fairfax-county-to-begin-process-of-changing-school-boundaries/

Don’t trust them. This is still a radical liberal equity play.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:(Or they could give that whole attendance island to White Oaks and Lake Braddock as an alternative since a small part of it already split feeds to LB.)

Send the Keene Mill island and Sangster neighborhood to LB and the problem fixes itself with zero complaints and minimal disruption.

[Anonymous]

Bottom line to all of these discussions seems to be: If I bought in WSHS pyramid, I'm against boundary changes and if I bought in Lewis pyramid, I'm for and can think of all the justifications for/against in either scenario. Honestly though, the boundaries haven't changed since the 80s and there has been a lot of growth and change.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:(Or they could give that whole attendance island to White Oaks and Lake Braddock as an alternative since a small part of it already split feeds to LB.)

Send the Keene Mill island and Sangster neighborhood to LB and the problem fixes itself with zero complaints and minimal disruption.

I agree and then you have room to adjust boundaries further between Orange Hunt, Sangster neighborhood, and Hunt Valley to relieve elementary crowding.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:(Or they could give that whole attendance island to White Oaks and Lake Braddock as an alternative since a small part of it already split feeds to LB.)

Send the Keene Mill island and Sangster neighborhood to LB and the problem fixes itself with zero complaints and minimal disruption.

I agree and then you have room to adjust boundaries further between Orange Hunt, Sangster neighborhood, and Hunt Valley to relieve elementary crowding.

^^^^^Thru Consulting, please take note!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Bottom line to all of these discussions seems to be: If I bought in WSHS pyramid, I'm against boundary changes and if I bought in Lewis pyramid, I'm for and can think of all the justifications for/against in either scenario. Honestly though, the boundaries haven't changed since the 80s and there has been a lot of growth and change.

Maybe in some parts of the county, but in West Springfield, they changed in 2004 when South County HS opened. (See this collection of Letters to the Editor sent by unhappy residents at that time: https://www.washingtonpost.com/archive/local/2004/12/09/drawing-south-county-lines/b39f8591-b68b-4db3-855a-1aefacdc14ec/).

They changed again more recently when the Daventry neighborhood was switched to WSHS from Lewis HS.

I don't know why Daventry Mom keeps turning this thread to focus on WSHS when there are a lot of areas of the county that make more sense for this boundary study to focus on. But here we are.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Even now, the school board members mislead the public.

After the school board revised 8130 over the summer with equitable access being one of the primary factors for redistricting, Dunne pretends that it isn’t:

https://northernvirginiamag.com/culture/news/2024/10/29/fairfax-county-to-begin-process-of-changing-school-boundaries/

Don’t trust them. This is still a radical liberal equity play.

Dunne is the Mount Vernon district rep. West Potomac got a huge expansion to 3000 courtesy of taxpayers but, now that his school has been attended to, we have to pinch pennies and screw other schools.

These people are such hypocrites.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Bottom line to all of these discussions seems to be: If I bought in WSHS pyramid, I'm against boundary changes and if I bought in Lewis pyramid, I'm for and can think of all the justifications for/against in either scenario. Honestly though, the boundaries haven't changed since the 80s and there has been a lot of growth and change.

Maybe in some parts of the county, but in West Springfield, they changed in 2004 when South County HS opened. (See this collection of Letters to the Editor sent by unhappy residents at that time: https://www.washingtonpost.com/archive/local/2004/12/09/drawing-south-county-lines/b39f8591-b68b-4db3-855a-1aefacdc14ec/).

They changed again more recently when the Daventry neighborhood was switched to WSHS from Lewis HS.

I don't know why Daventry Mom keeps turning this thread to focus on WSHS when there are a lot of areas of the county that make more sense for this boundary study to focus on. But here we are.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Even now, the school board members mislead the public.

After the school board revised 8130 over the summer with equitable access being one of the primary factors for redistricting, Dunne pretends that it isn’t:

https://northernvirginiamag.com/culture/news/2024/10/29/fairfax-county-to-begin-process-of-changing-school-boundaries/

Don’t trust them. This is still a radical liberal equity play.

Dunne is the Mount Vernon district rep. West Potomac got a huge expansion to 3000 courtesy of taxpayers but, now that his school has been attended to, we have to pinch pennies and screw other schools.

These people are such hypocrites.

He intentionally left out equity. Maybe he now realizes just how unpopular these changes are going to be, or maybe he is just trying to hide their intent. I think the latter, but I’m sure their life has not been fun this past year Having to constantly hear how badly they are messing up the county, so maybe he’s finally coming to his senses?