More MOCO Upzoning - Starting in Silver Spring

[Anonymous]

PP—Well I can tell you’ll make a friendly neighbor slinging all those insults around. FFS.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Why not do this in Chevy Chase and Takoma Park? Makes more sense

They are proposing to do just that: https://montgomeryplanningboard.org/wp-content/uploads/2024/05/Attainable-Housing-Strategies-Work-Session-10_05.30.24-Staff-Report_Final.pdf

What a massive waste of time and money.

I think this idea is terrible, but I will give them credit for doing a detailed analysis on potential impact of this proposals. Arlington did a much sloppier job with analyzing this before they pushed it through.

Planning has done a lot of studies, including one that found that almost none of these small multifamily projects will be commercially viable, especially in TP and Chevy Chase because the land costs and demand for single family rebuilds are simply too high. But Planning pressed ahead anyway, because apparently it’s better to implement planning fads than it is to put resources behind driving economic growth. To be clear, I’m not complaining about zoning changes. I’m complaining that Planning is investing time and resources in the wrong things.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:All you NIMBYs sure do like complaining (and seem to think most people agree with you, for some reason?)

You all keep yappin' about "community engagement" and "letting your voice be heard". Well guess what, we did all that! It was called the elections. And they have consequences. Get over it, the state is moving forward.

If you wanna live in a farm, go buy a farm lol.

Are you seriously this dumb? We wanted to live in a place that had certain qualities, so we made that happen, and now a bunch of spoiled children are going to come in to demand that we have to change?

Why don’t you just move to where the things are that you want, just like we did? Seriously, grow up.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:All you NIMBYs sure do like complaining (and seem to think most people agree with you, for some reason?)

You all keep yappin' about "community engagement" and "letting your voice be heard". Well guess what, we did all that! It was called the elections. And they have consequences. Get over it, the state is moving forward.

If you wanna live in a farm, go buy a farm lol.

Not everyone wants to live the biker bro, vegetarian, apartment lifestyle. The crazy urbanists and YIMBYs are trying to force this on communities that don't want it.

You all seem to insistent in this fantasy that some biker dude is gonna break into your house and forcible throw you into some apartment like the movie Saw.

In case you don't understand, literally nobody is talking about tearing down your special little house dude. Nobody cares about what you have or want, this is about what everyone else (by large margins, based on the elections) wants. You can keep your little house, I promise you. What you don't get to do is live near transit and FORCE others to live a lifestyle that is more polluting, wasteful, and anti-social.

LMAO. This must be the same idiot.

Who did anyone force to buy a house in suburban neighborhoods? In the end this effort will fail, like it has pretty much everywhere. Either it will be watered down to manageable point or they will push this effort through altogether and it will be seen retroactively as a failure. Luckily it will take a long long time to implement so there will be plenty of warning.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:All you NIMBYs sure do like complaining (and seem to think most people agree with you, for some reason?)

You all keep yappin' about "community engagement" and "letting your voice be heard". Well guess what, we did all that! It was called the elections. And they have consequences. Get over it, the state is moving forward.

If you wanna live in a farm, go buy a farm lol.

So just lay back and enjoy it?

Was this your advice during Trump’s years in office?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:All you NIMBYs sure do like complaining (and seem to think most people agree with you, for some reason?)

You all keep yappin' about "community engagement" and "letting your voice be heard". Well guess what, we did all that! It was called the elections. And they have consequences. Get over it, the state is moving forward.

If you wanna live in a farm, go buy a farm lol.

So just lay back and enjoy it?

Was this your advice during Trump’s years in office?

This is also dishonest because this policy does force people to leave there homes by increasing the assessed value of property to the point that many can no longer afford to pay the property taxes. You guys are absolutely try to force people to leave their homes by making the property taxes unaffordable, so don’t lie about your motives to force everyone to live in “environmentally friendly” Soviet style apartment complexes.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Why not do this in Chevy Chase and Takoma Park? Makes more sense

They are proposing to do just that: https://montgomeryplanningboard.org/wp-content/uploads/2024/05/Attainable-Housing-Strategies-Work-Session-10_05.30.24-Staff-Report_Final.pdf

What a massive waste of time and money.

I think this idea is terrible, but I will give them credit for doing a detailed analysis on potential impact of this proposals. Arlington did a much sloppier job with analyzing this before they pushed it through.

Planning has done a lot of studies, including one that found that almost none of these small multifamily projects will be commercially viable, especially in TP and Chevy Chase because the land costs and demand for single family rebuilds are simply too high. But Planning pressed ahead anyway, because apparently it’s better to implement planning fads than it is to put resources behind driving economic growth. To be clear, I’m not complaining about zoning changes. I’m complaining that Planning is investing time and resources in the wrong things.

Then you should apply for the next vacancy on the Planning Board.

However, the purpose of the Planning Board is not to put resources behind driving economic growth. The purpose of the Planning Board is to

-Consider large- and small-scale plans for new development [which, in practice, means to approve development applications from landowners]
-Provide guidelines for the pattern and pace of future development [i.e., master plans, sector plans, corridor plans, functional plans, etc.]
-Develop and manage Montgomery County’s nationally recognized 32,900-acre park system [i.e., Montgomery Parks]
-Recommend to the County Council which sites receive historic designations [that's the Historic Preservation Commission]

All of that is in Maryland statute (Land Use, Division II - Maryland-National Capital Park and Planning Commission).

The purpose of the Montgomery County Economic Development Corporation is to put resources behind driving economic growth.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:All you NIMBYs sure do like complaining (and seem to think most people agree with you, for some reason?)

You all keep yappin' about "community engagement" and "letting your voice be heard". Well guess what, we did all that! It was called the elections. And they have consequences. Get over it, the state is moving forward.

If you wanna live in a farm, go buy a farm lol.

So just lay back and enjoy it?

Was this your advice during Trump’s years in office?

This is also dishonest because this policy does force people to leave there homes by increasing the assessed value of property to the point that many can no longer afford to pay the property taxes. You guys are absolutely try to force people to leave their homes by making the property taxes unaffordable, so don’t lie about your motives to force everyone to live in “environmentally friendly” Soviet style apartment complexes.

Could you provide an example of a Soviet style apartment complex in Montgomery County, please? Since the Planning Department keeps trying to force everyone into them, there must be at least one such building in Montgomery County. But where? I haven't seen any. What haven't I seen?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:All you NIMBYs sure do like complaining (and seem to think most people agree with you, for some reason?)

You all keep yappin' about "community engagement" and "letting your voice be heard". Well guess what, we did all that! It was called the elections. And they have consequences. Get over it, the state is moving forward.

If you wanna live in a farm, go buy a farm lol.

Are you seriously this dumb? We wanted to live in a place that had certain qualities, so we made that happen, and now a bunch of spoiled children are going to come in to demand that we have to change?

Why don’t you just move to where the things are that you want, just like we did? Seriously, grow up.

This land use planning principle is called: Everything In My Neighborhood Should Stay The Way It Was When I Moved There.

The problem is, if the county government had applied this land use planning principle consistently, your neighborhood wouldn't exist. That place you moved to, with the certain qualities you wanted, which you made your move happen to? It wouldn't exist.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:All you NIMBYs sure do like complaining (and seem to think most people agree with you, for some reason?)

You all keep yappin' about "community engagement" and "letting your voice be heard". Well guess what, we did all that! It was called the elections. And they have consequences. Get over it, the state is moving forward.

If you wanna live in a farm, go buy a farm lol.

So just lay back and enjoy it?

Was this your advice during Trump’s years in office?

This is also dishonest because this policy does force people to leave there homes by increasing the assessed value of property to the point that many can no longer afford to pay the property taxes. You guys are absolutely try to force people to leave their homes by making the property taxes unaffordable, so don’t lie about your motives to force everyone to live in “environmentally friendly” Soviet style apartment complexes.

Could you provide an example of a Soviet style apartment complex in Montgomery County, please? Since the Planning Department keeps trying to force everyone into them, there must be at least one such building in Montgomery County. But where? I haven't seen any. What haven't I seen?

There are many of them Warwick, Park Montgomery, etc. If you were actually familiar with the existing apartment complexes in MOCO you would know what I’m talking about.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Why not do this in Chevy Chase and Takoma Park? Makes more sense

They are proposing to do just that: https://montgomeryplanningboard.org/wp-content/uploads/2024/05/Attainable-Housing-Strategies-Work-Session-10_05.30.24-Staff-Report_Final.pdf

What a massive waste of time and money.

I think this idea is terrible, but I will give them credit for doing a detailed analysis on potential impact of this proposals. Arlington did a much sloppier job with analyzing this before they pushed it through.

Planning has done a lot of studies, including one that found that almost none of these small multifamily projects will be commercially viable, especially in TP and Chevy Chase because the land costs and demand for single family rebuilds are simply too high. But Planning pressed ahead anyway, because apparently it’s better to implement planning fads than it is to put resources behind driving economic growth. To be clear, I’m not complaining about zoning changes. I’m complaining that Planning is investing time and resources in the wrong things.

Then you should apply for the next vacancy on the Planning Board.

However, the purpose of the Planning Board is not to put resources behind driving economic growth. The purpose of the Planning Board is to

-Consider large- and small-scale plans for new development [which, in practice, means to approve development applications from landowners]
-Provide guidelines for the pattern and pace of future development [i.e., master plans, sector plans, corridor plans, functional plans, etc.]
-Develop and manage Montgomery County’s nationally recognized 32,900-acre park system [i.e., Montgomery Parks]
-Recommend to the County Council which sites receive historic designations [that's the Historic Preservation Commission]

All of that is in Maryland statute (Land Use, Division II - Maryland-National Capital Park and Planning Commission).

The purpose of the Montgomery County Economic Development Corporation is to put resources behind driving economic growth.

How long did it take you to research that post? All you had to do was to go and read the friggin’ mission and goals of the Planning Department.

https://montgomeryplanning.org/about-planning/mission/

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:All you NIMBYs sure do like complaining (and seem to think most people agree with you, for some reason?)

You all keep yappin' about "community engagement" and "letting your voice be heard". Well guess what, we did all that! It was called the elections. And they have consequences. Get over it, the state is moving forward.

If you wanna live in a farm, go buy a farm lol.

So just lay back and enjoy it?

Was this your advice during Trump’s years in office?

This is also dishonest because this policy does force people to leave there homes by increasing the assessed value of property to the point that many can no longer afford to pay the property taxes. You guys are absolutely try to force people to leave their homes by making the property taxes unaffordable, so don’t lie about your motives to force everyone to live in “environmentally friendly” Soviet style apartment complexes.

Could you provide an example of a Soviet style apartment complex in Montgomery County, please? Since the Planning Department keeps trying to force everyone into them, there must be at least one such building in Montgomery County. But where? I haven't seen any. What haven't I seen?

One of the things that has been in little dispute, even within Planning, was that the architectural and aesthetic quality of high-rise and multi-family dwellings in the county has traditionally been very poor. You seem to be someone who just argues out of ignorance just for the sake of arguing.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:All you NIMBYs sure do like complaining (and seem to think most people agree with you, for some reason?)

You all keep yappin' about "community engagement" and "letting your voice be heard". Well guess what, we did all that! It was called the elections. And they have consequences. Get over it, the state is moving forward.

If you wanna live in a farm, go buy a farm lol.

So just lay back and enjoy it?

Was this your advice during Trump’s years in office?

This is also dishonest because this policy does force people to leave there homes by increasing the assessed value of property to the point that many can no longer afford to pay the property taxes. You guys are absolutely try to force people to leave their homes by making the property taxes unaffordable, so don’t lie about your motives to force everyone to live in “environmentally friendly” Soviet style apartment complexes.

Could you provide an example of a Soviet style apartment complex in Montgomery County, please? Since the Planning Department keeps trying to force everyone into them, there must be at least one such building in Montgomery County. But where? I haven't seen any. What haven't I seen?

One of the things that has been in little dispute, even within Planning, was that the architectural and aesthetic quality of high-rise and multi-family dwellings in the county has traditionally been very poor. You seem to be someone who just argues out of ignorance just for the sake of arguing.

The poster who said

You guys are absolutely try to force people to leave their homes by making the property taxes unaffordable, so don’t lie about your motives to force everyone to live in “environmentally friendly” Soviet style apartment complexes.

is commenting about aesthetic/architectural quality? How about that.

Have you seen the aesthetic/architectural quality of the houses in the University Boulevard corridor? It's cookie cutter, mass-produced, tract housing. Not that there's anything wrong with that.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:All you NIMBYs sure do like complaining (and seem to think most people agree with you, for some reason?)

You all keep yappin' about "community engagement" and "letting your voice be heard". Well guess what, we did all that! It was called the elections. And they have consequences. Get over it, the state is moving forward.

If you wanna live in a farm, go buy a farm lol.

So just lay back and enjoy it?

Was this your advice during Trump’s years in office?

Weird, because Trump is the one supporting the "suburbs" and rails agains the "urban youth".

I think you need to realize who is on your side lol.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:All you NIMBYs sure do like complaining (and seem to think most people agree with you, for some reason?)

You all keep yappin' about "community engagement" and "letting your voice be heard". Well guess what, we did all that! It was called the elections. And they have consequences. Get over it, the state is moving forward.

If you wanna live in a farm, go buy a farm lol.

So just lay back and enjoy it?

Was this your advice during Trump’s years in office?

This is also dishonest because this policy does force people to leave there homes by increasing the assessed value of property to the point that many can no longer afford to pay the property taxes. You guys are absolutely try to force people to leave their homes by making the property taxes unaffordable, so don’t lie about your motives to force everyone to live in “environmentally friendly” Soviet style apartment complexes.

Could you provide an example of a Soviet style apartment complex in Montgomery County, please? Since the Planning Department keeps trying to force everyone into them, there must be at least one such building in Montgomery County. But where? I haven't seen any. What haven't I seen?

One of the things that has been in little dispute, even within Planning, was that the architectural and aesthetic quality of high-rise and multi-family dwellings in the county has traditionally been very poor. You seem to be someone who just argues out of ignorance just for the sake of arguing.

The poster who said

You guys are absolutely try to force people to leave their homes by making the property taxes unaffordable, so don’t lie about your motives to force everyone to live in “environmentally friendly” Soviet style apartment complexes.

is commenting about aesthetic/architectural quality? How about that.

Have you seen the aesthetic/architectural quality of the houses in the University Boulevard corridor? It's cookie cutter, mass-produced, tract housing. Not that there's anything wrong with that.

Guess what? It's 2024, we build things differently than we did in 1890. People said the same thing about the brownstones in NYC when they were built. Get over it.