To you, what's the bottom of the "elite" colleges?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Berkeley, Michigan, and UCLA are the only three elite publics.

And UVA and UNC…

Or, none of the above. . .

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:As HYP expanded, it became IV league - Harvard, Yale, Princeton, and Columbia. As this league expanded to include even more schools, the IV League then became the Ivy League.

No, this is a false but common urban legend

https://www.grammarphobia.com/blog/2018/10/ivy-league.html [/

The “Ivy league” origin as ivy wall coverings is skeptical bc ivies were very common in many college campuses. The 8 schools couldn't possibly the only schools with ivies. a little common sense should tell you somethings off with your source.

"A little common sense"? That's laughable.

You stick with what your gut tells you, I'll stick with citations and sources, m'kay?

There were many other links on this topic, I only posted one, and even the ones that mentioned your "I-V" theory admitted it had no source and was likely apocryphal.

NP. But the IV League explanation is far more sensible. Many schools and other buildings have brick covered with Ivy. And to be honest I don’t even think Columbia has any Ivy. Manhattan, hello?!?

Not that this is super relevant, because the BOTTOM of elite is not these schools. This is the TOP of elite. So OK maybe JMU isn’t “elite” but certainly UVA, Maryland, etc. are included, in addition the Penn St. and the other “low” Ivies.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:As HYP expanded, it became IV league - Harvard, Yale, Princeton, and Columbia. As this league expanded to include even more schools, the IV League then became the Ivy League.

No, this is a false but common urban legend

https://www.grammarphobia.com/blog/2018/10/ivy-league.html [/

The “Ivy league” origin as ivy wall coverings is skeptical bc ivies were very common in many college campuses. The 8 schools couldn't possibly the only schools with ivies. a little common sense should tell you somethings off with your source.

"A little common sense"? That's laughable.

You stick with what your gut tells you, I'll stick with citations and sources, m'kay?

There were many other links on this topic, I only posted one, and even the ones that mentioned your "I-V" theory admitted it had no source and was likely apocryphal.

NP. But the IV League explanation is far more sensible. Many schools and other buildings have brick covered with Ivy. And to be honest I don’t even think Columbia has any Ivy. Manhattan, hello?!?

Not that this is super relevant, because the BOTTOM of elite is not these schools. This is the TOP of elite. So OK maybe JMU isn’t “elite” but certainly UVA, Maryland, etc. are included, in addition the Penn St. and the other “low” Ivies.

"Elite" is a pretty nebulous term, and there's no list of truly elite colleges. That said, Penn St. definitely isn't "elite" if you have any proper sense of the word.

[Anonymous]

probably Carnegie Mellon or Georgetown

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:As HYP expanded, it became IV league - Harvard, Yale, Princeton, and Columbia. As this league expanded to include even more schools, the IV League then became the Ivy League.

No, this is a false but common urban legend

https://www.grammarphobia.com/blog/2018/10/ivy-league.html [/

The “Ivy league” origin as ivy wall coverings is skeptical bc ivies were very common in many college campuses. The 8 schools couldn't possibly the only schools with ivies. a little common sense should tell you somethings off with your source.

"A little common sense"? That's laughable.

You stick with what your gut tells you, I'll stick with citations and sources, m'kay?

There were many other links on this topic, I only posted one, and even the ones that mentioned your "I-V" theory admitted it had no source and was likely apocryphal.

NP. But the IV League explanation is far more sensible. Many schools and other buildings have brick covered with Ivy. And to be honest I don’t even think Columbia has any Ivy. Manhattan, hello?!?

You're kidding, right? The non-cited explanation is "far more sensible" than the one with historical citations? Are you one of those who "does their own research" too?

Plenty of Ivy in Manhattan (I live there).

https://www.google.com/search?q=ivy+on+buildings+in+manhattan&tbm=isch&ved=2ahUKEwjks8f818j0AhXHn3IEHUdEADkQ2-cCegQIABAA&oq=ivy+on+buildings+in+manhattan&gs_lcp=CgNpbWcQDDoHCCMQ7wMQJzoFCAAQgAQ6BggAEAUQHjoGCAAQCBAeOgQIABAYOgQIABAeUMnSAVj9_QFg6aICaAFwAHgAgAF1iAGmC5IBBDE2LjOYAQCgAQGqAQtnd3Mtd2l6LWltZ8ABAQ&sclient=img&ei=QpuqYeSKGMe_ytMPx4iByAM&bih=722&biw=1536

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:As HYP expanded, it became IV league - Harvard, Yale, Princeton, and Columbia. As this league expanded to include even more schools, the IV League then became the Ivy League.

No, this is a false but common urban legend

https://www.grammarphobia.com/blog/2018/10/ivy-league.html [/

The “Ivy league” origin as ivy wall coverings is skeptical bc ivies were very common in many college campuses. The 8 schools couldn't possibly the only schools with ivies. a little common sense should tell you somethings off with your source.

"A little common sense"? That's laughable.

You stick with what your gut tells you, I'll stick with citations and sources, m'kay?

There were many other links on this topic, I only posted one, and even the ones that mentioned your "I-V" theory admitted it had no source and was likely apocryphal.

NP. But the IV League explanation is far more sensible. Many schools and other buildings have brick covered with Ivy. And to be honest I don’t even think Columbia has any Ivy. Manhattan, hello?!?

You're kidding, right? The non-cited explanation is "far more sensible" than the one with historical citations? Are you one of those who "does their own research" too?

Plenty of Ivy in Manhattan (I live there).

https://www.google.com/search?q=ivy+on+buildings+in+manhattan&tbm=isch&ved=2ahUKEwjks8f818j0AhXHn3IEHUdEADkQ2-cCegQIABAA&oq=ivy+on+buildings+in+manhattan&gs_lcp=CgNpbWcQDDoHCCMQ7wMQJzoFCAAQgAQ6BggAEAUQHjoGCAAQCBAeOgQIABAYOgQIABAeUMnSAVj9_QFg6aICaAFwAHgAgAF1iAGmC5IBBDE2LjOYAQCgAQGqAQtnd3Mtd2l6LWltZ8ABAQ&sclient=img&ei=QpuqYeSKGMe_ytMPx4iByAM&bih=722&biw=1536

“I live there” is a wrong answer. You haven't lived in Pennsylvania or California. Stanford buildings are covered with ivy plants. Yet, it's not part of the ivy league. Neither is Haverford next to Penn.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:As HYP expanded, it became IV league - Harvard, Yale, Princeton, and Columbia. As this league expanded to include even more schools, the IV League then became the Ivy League.

No, this is a false but common urban legend

https://www.grammarphobia.com/blog/2018/10/ivy-league.html [/

The “Ivy league” origin as ivy wall coverings is skeptical bc ivies were very common in many college campuses. The 8 schools couldn't possibly the only schools with ivies. a little common sense should tell you somethings off with your source.

"A little common sense"? That's laughable.

You stick with what your gut tells you, I'll stick with citations and sources, m'kay?

There were many other links on this topic, I only posted one, and even the ones that mentioned your "I-V" theory admitted it had no source and was likely apocryphal.

NP. But the IV League explanation is far more sensible. Many schools and other buildings have brick covered with Ivy. And to be honest I don’t even think Columbia has any Ivy. Manhattan, hello?!?

You're kidding, right? The non-cited explanation is "far more sensible" than the one with historical citations? Are you one of those who "does their own research" too?

Plenty of Ivy in Manhattan (I live there).

https://www.google.com/search?q=ivy+on+buildings+in+manhattan&tbm=isch&ved=2ahUKEwjks8f818j0AhXHn3IEHUdEADkQ2-cCegQIABAA&oq=ivy+on+buildings+in+manhattan&gs_lcp=CgNpbWcQDDoHCCMQ7wMQJzoFCAAQgAQ6BggAEAUQHjoGCAAQCBAeOgQIABAYOgQIABAeUMnSAVj9_QFg6aICaAFwAHgAgAF1iAGmC5IBBDE2LjOYAQCgAQGqAQtnd3Mtd2l6LWltZ8ABAQ&sclient=img&ei=QpuqYeSKGMe_ytMPx4iByAM&bih=722&biw=1536

“I live there” is a wrong answer. You haven't lived in Pennsylvania or California. Stanford buildings are covered with ivy plants. Yet, it's not part of the ivy league. Neither is Haverford next to Penn.

+1. Exactly. You’re anecdotal evidence is not compelling.

I grew up with a kid who went to the Ivy League, so to be honest I know what I’m talking about. But that isn’t a substitute for DYOR. But as I already said this is mostly besides the point, because the Ivy League even at the lower echelons (Cornell, Penn St., etc) is still way above the “bottom” of elite schools. Most people define elite as well above average or something along those lines so as others have pointed out the bottom of elite is more like UNC or Minnesota or UT Austin. Not Colombia.

Most of the social elite small schools like Swarthmore are also Ivy League.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:As HYP expanded, it became IV league - Harvard, Yale, Princeton, and Columbia. As this league expanded to include even more schools, the IV League then became the Ivy League.

No, this is a false but common urban legend

https://www.grammarphobia.com/blog/2018/10/ivy-league.html [/

The “Ivy league” origin as ivy wall coverings is skeptical bc ivies were very common in many college campuses. The 8 schools couldn't possibly the only schools with ivies. a little common sense should tell you somethings off with your source.

"A little common sense"? That's laughable.

You stick with what your gut tells you, I'll stick with citations and sources, m'kay?

There were many other links on this topic, I only posted one, and even the ones that mentioned your "I-V" theory admitted it had no source and was likely apocryphal.

NP. But the IV League explanation is far more sensible. Many schools and other buildings have brick covered with Ivy. And to be honest I don’t even think Columbia has any Ivy. Manhattan, hello?!?

You're kidding, right? The non-cited explanation is "far more sensible" than the one with historical citations? Are you one of those who "does their own research" too?

Plenty of Ivy in Manhattan (I live there).

https://www.google.com/search?q=ivy+on+buildings+in+manhattan&tbm=isch&ved=2ahUKEwjks8f818j0AhXHn3IEHUdEADkQ2-cCegQIABAA&oq=ivy+on+buildings+in+manhattan&gs_lcp=CgNpbWcQDDoHCCMQ7wMQJzoFCAAQgAQ6BggAEAUQHjoGCAAQCBAeOgQIABAYOgQIABAeUMnSAVj9_QFg6aICaAFwAHgAgAF1iAGmC5IBBDE2LjOYAQCgAQGqAQtnd3Mtd2l6LWltZ8ABAQ&sclient=img&ei=QpuqYeSKGMe_ytMPx4iByAM&bih=722&biw=1536

“I live there” is a wrong answer. You haven't lived in Pennsylvania or California. Stanford buildings are covered with ivy plants. Yet, it's not part of the ivy league. Neither is Haverford next to Penn.

+1. Exactly. You’re anecdotal evidence is not compelling.

I grew up with a kid who went to the Ivy League, so to be honest I know what I’m talking about. But that isn’t a substitute for DYOR. But as I already said this is mostly besides the point, because the Ivy League even at the lower echelons (Cornell, Penn St., etc) is still way above the “bottom” of elite schools. Most people define elite as well above average or something along those lines so as others have pointed out the bottom of elite is more like UNC or Minnesota or UT Austin. Not Colombia.

Most of the social elite small schools like Swarthmore are also Ivy League.

This is either a poor attempt at satire or the ramblings of a madman.

[Anonymous]

These lists are silly (I taught at multiple Ivies).

Cornell alumna Anne Coulter asserted that Keith Olbermann didn't attend "Ivy League Cornell" because his Communications major in Cornell's College of Agricultural and Life Sciences is "associated with lineman ... [who] can throw a football." She was unaware that the Ivy League is a NCAA sports league, that linemen never throw the football, and that offensive linemen have the highest IQ's in the NFL.

Even some Ivy League graduates don't know what the Ivy League is!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:As HYP expanded, it became IV league - Harvard, Yale, Princeton, and Columbia. As this league expanded to include even more schools, the IV League then became the Ivy League.

No, this is a false but common urban legend

https://www.grammarphobia.com/blog/2018/10/ivy-league.html [/

The “Ivy league” origin as ivy wall coverings is skeptical bc ivies were very common in many college campuses. The 8 schools couldn't possibly the only schools with ivies. a little common sense should tell you somethings off with your source.

"A little common sense"? That's laughable.

You stick with what your gut tells you, I'll stick with citations and sources, m'kay?

There were many other links on this topic, I only posted one, and even the ones that mentioned your "I-V" theory admitted it had no source and was likely apocryphal.

NP. But the IV League explanation is far more sensible. Many schools and other buildings have brick covered with Ivy. And to be honest I don’t even think Columbia has any Ivy. Manhattan, hello?!?

You're kidding, right? The non-cited explanation is "far more sensible" than the one with historical citations? Are you one of those who "does their own research" too?

Plenty of Ivy in Manhattan (I live there).

https://www.google.com/search?q=ivy+on+buildings+in+manhattan&tbm=isch&ved=2ahUKEwjks8f818j0AhXHn3IEHUdEADkQ2-cCegQIABAA&oq=ivy+on+buildings+in+manhattan&gs_lcp=CgNpbWcQDDoHCCMQ7wMQJzoFCAAQgAQ6BggAEAUQHjoGCAAQCBAeOgQIABAYOgQIABAeUMnSAVj9_QFg6aICaAFwAHgAgAF1iAGmC5IBBDE2LjOYAQCgAQGqAQtnd3Mtd2l6LWltZ8ABAQ&sclient=img&ei=QpuqYeSKGMe_ytMPx4iByAM&bih=722&biw=1536

“I live there” is a wrong answer. You haven't lived in Pennsylvania or California. Stanford buildings are covered with ivy plants. Yet, it's not part of the ivy league. Neither is Haverford next to Penn.

+1. Exactly. You’re anecdotal evidence is not compelling.

I grew up with a kid who went to the Ivy League, so to be honest I know what I’m talking about. But that isn’t a substitute for DYOR. But as I already said this is mostly besides the point, because the Ivy League even at the lower echelons (Cornell, Penn St., etc) is still way above the “bottom” of elite schools. Most people define elite as well above average or something along those lines so as others have pointed out the bottom of elite is more like UNC or Minnesota or UT Austin. Not Colombia.

Most of the social elite small schools like Swarthmore are also Ivy League.

This absolutely has to be satire. No one gives a flying F about Swarthmore.

[Anonymous]

Wait - is there truly something total idiot on this thread who keeps saying “Penn St” is an Ivy instead of UPenn? Where do you f’ing people come from?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Wait - is there truly something total idiot on this thread who keeps saying “Penn St” is an Ivy instead of UPenn? Where do you f’ing people come from?

The joke is probably on you for taking anything on this thread seriously.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Berkeley, Michigan, and UCLA are the only three elite publics.

And UVA and UNC…

Or, none of the above. . .

Michigan is top 5 or 10 in just about every Major it offers. That is elite.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Berkeley, Michigan, and UCLA are the only three elite publics.

And UVA and UNC…

Or, none of the above. . .

Michigan is top 5 or 10 in just about every Major it offers. That is elite.

If you are including Stanford and Michigan,

UMBC.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Wait - is there truly something total idiot on this thread who keeps saying “Penn St” is an Ivy instead of UPenn? Where do you f’ing people come from?

The joke is probably on you for taking anything on this thread seriously.

No one gives a flying F about this thread.