Government Shutdown - September, 2025 Editiion

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Anonymous wrote:When there is a Democrat President and Republicans in Congress cause a shutdown demanding cuts, the Democrat says give me what I want or I will close the parks and museums and let everyone know how Republicans are ruining your vacation, maybe stopping you from getting Social Security.
The Republicans state their demands and cave a few weeks later.

Here, the Democrats make demands to avoid a shutdown, and the Republican President says if you don't give me what I want, I will do more cuts, getting more of what I want.

The Democrats do not have leverage, but can't help themselves.

They do have leverage, you just don't understand it yet. If Trump follows through, Republicans are going to have a hard time getting elected for a long time.

Actually, you don’t understand it. This White House doesn’t care about Republicans getting elected. Trump is allowing his zealots to enact changes that will have long-lasting impacts on the federal government and be incredibly difficult to reverse in the future. They don’t care about mid-terms. They don’t care about polling. Anything negative is “fake news” or “rigged information” to this President.

Besides most of the damage will be done by November of 2026.

Meanwhile, Schumer and Jeffries look on like buffoons and the Democratic Party remains listless and in disarray.

DP. This really isn't accurate at all. Do you believe this?

DP

I think they are correct. Democrats look like buffoons because they are not adapting to the current environment.

Shutdowns don't affect midterms, they never have. They do affect the immediate negotiations - which both Rs and Ds know.

If it goes to the midterms it will.

[Anonymous]

voters blame the GOP more for the shutdown by an average of 12 pts.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:When there is a Democrat President and Republicans in Congress cause a shutdown demanding cuts, the Democrat says give me what I want or I will close the parks and museums and let everyone know how Republicans are ruining your vacation, maybe stopping you from getting Social Security.
The Republicans state their demands and cave a few weeks later.

Here, the Democrats make demands to avoid a shutdown, and the Republican President says if you don't give me what I want, I will do more cuts, getting more of what I want.

The Democrats do not have leverage, but can't help themselves.

They do have leverage, you just don't understand it yet. If Trump follows through, Republicans are going to have a hard time getting elected for a long time.

Actually, you don’t understand it. This White House doesn’t care about Republicans getting elected. Trump is allowing his zealots to enact changes that will have long-lasting impacts on the federal government and be incredibly difficult to reverse in the future. They don’t care about mid-terms. They don’t care about polling. Anything negative is “fake news” or “rigged information” to this President.

Besides most of the damage will be done by November of 2026.

Meanwhile, Schumer and Jeffries look on like buffoons and the Democratic Party remains listless and in disarray.

DP. This really isn't accurate at all. Do you believe this?

DP

I think they are correct. Democrats look like buffoons because they are not adapting to the current environment.

Shutdowns don't affect midterms, they never have. They do affect the immediate negotiations - which both Rs and Ds know.

Your thinking is outdated.

[Anonymous]

What I want to know is, why isn't Trump out there advocating for the re-opening of his government? He hasn't been seen in public since his disgraceful speech at Quantico on Tuesday.

Here's what Obama did on the first day of the 2013 shutdown:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HmRA_tML2tE

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:What I want to know is, why isn't Trump out there advocating for the re-opening of his government? He hasn't been seen in public since his disgraceful speech at Quantico on Tuesday.

Here's what Obama did on the first day of the 2013 shutdown:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HmRA_tML2tE

Yes, I thought it was weird that Vance covered the press conference. But we all know Trump is gravely ill.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:When there is a Democrat President and Republicans in Congress cause a shutdown demanding cuts, the Democrat says give me what I want or I will close the parks and museums and let everyone know how Republicans are ruining your vacation, maybe stopping you from getting Social Security.
The Republicans state their demands and cave a few weeks later.

Here, the Democrats make demands to avoid a shutdown, and the Republican President says if you don't give me what I want, I will do more cuts, getting more of what I want.

The Democrats do not have leverage, but can't help themselves.

They do have leverage, you just don't understand it yet. If Trump follows through, Republicans are going to have a hard time getting elected for a long time.

Actually, you don’t understand it. This White House doesn’t care about Republicans getting elected. Trump is allowing his zealots to enact changes that will have long-lasting impacts on the federal government and be incredibly difficult to reverse in the future. They don’t care about mid-terms. They don’t care about polling. Anything negative is “fake news” or “rigged information” to this President.

Besides most of the damage will be done by November of 2026.

Meanwhile, Schumer and Jeffries look on like buffoons and the Democratic Party remains listless and in disarray.

DP. This really isn't accurate at all. Do you believe this?

DP

I think they are correct. Democrats look like buffoons because they are not adapting to the current environment.

Shutdowns don't affect midterms, they never have. They do affect the immediate negotiations - which both Rs and Ds know.

If it goes to the midterms it will.

It won't. Come January 3rd, the Senate can do the regular appropriations bills with no filibuster allowed.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:When there is a Democrat President and Republicans in Congress cause a shutdown demanding cuts, the Democrat says give me what I want or I will close the parks and museums and let everyone know how Republicans are ruining your vacation, maybe stopping you from getting Social Security.
The Republicans state their demands and cave a few weeks later.

Here, the Democrats make demands to avoid a shutdown, and the Republican President says if you don't give me what I want, I will do more cuts, getting more of what I want.

The Democrats do not have leverage, but can't help themselves.

They do have leverage, you just don't understand it yet. If Trump follows through, Republicans are going to have a hard time getting elected for a long time.

Actually, you don’t understand it. This White House doesn’t care about Republicans getting elected. Trump is allowing his zealots to enact changes that will have long-lasting impacts on the federal government and be incredibly difficult to reverse in the future. They don’t care about mid-terms. They don’t care about polling. Anything negative is “fake news” or “rigged information” to this President.

Besides most of the damage will be done by November of 2026.

Meanwhile, Schumer and Jeffries look on like buffoons and the Democratic Party remains listless and in disarray.

DP. This really isn't accurate at all. Do you believe this?

DP

I think they are correct. Democrats look like buffoons because they are not adapting to the current environment.

Shutdowns don't affect midterms, they never have. They do affect the immediate negotiations - which both Rs and Ds know.

If it goes to the midterms it will.

Why are the Republicans only kicking the can down the road for 7 weeks with their CR? Does anyone actually believe they are going to pass a bonafide set of appropriations bills? I don't.

So then what? Another CR and shutdown battle after 7 weeks?

What is so magic about 7 weeks to the Republicans?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:When there is a Democrat President and Republicans in Congress cause a shutdown demanding cuts, the Democrat says give me what I want or I will close the parks and museums and let everyone know how Republicans are ruining your vacation, maybe stopping you from getting Social Security.
The Republicans state their demands and cave a few weeks later.

Here, the Democrats make demands to avoid a shutdown, and the Republican President says if you don't give me what I want, I will do more cuts, getting more of what I want.

The Democrats do not have leverage, but can't help themselves.

They do have leverage, you just don't understand it yet. If Trump follows through, Republicans are going to have a hard time getting elected for a long time.

Actually, you don’t understand it. This White House doesn’t care about Republicans getting elected. Trump is allowing his zealots to enact changes that will have long-lasting impacts on the federal government and be incredibly difficult to reverse in the future. They don’t care about mid-terms. They don’t care about polling. Anything negative is “fake news” or “rigged information” to this President.

Besides most of the damage will be done by November of 2026.

Meanwhile, Schumer and Jeffries look on like buffoons and the Democratic Party remains listless and in disarray.

DP. This really isn't accurate at all. Do you believe this?

DP

I think they are correct. Democrats look like buffoons because they are not adapting to the current environment.

Shutdowns don't affect midterms, they never have. They do affect the immediate negotiations - which both Rs and Ds know.

If it goes to the midterms it will.

It won't. Come January 3rd, the Senate can do the regular appropriations bills with no filibuster allowed.

What are you smoking? Name me the seats that you think will get the Republicans to 60. Just name them. Hint: you can't.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:When there is a Democrat President and Republicans in Congress cause a shutdown demanding cuts, the Democrat says give me what I want or I will close the parks and museums and let everyone know how Republicans are ruining your vacation, maybe stopping you from getting Social Security.
The Republicans state their demands and cave a few weeks later.

Here, the Democrats make demands to avoid a shutdown, and the Republican President says if you don't give me what I want, I will do more cuts, getting more of what I want.

The Democrats do not have leverage, but can't help themselves.

They do have leverage, you just don't understand it yet. If Trump follows through, Republicans are going to have a hard time getting elected for a long time.

That's the leverage? Trump isn't running for office again. Vought isn't running. Meanwhile tens of billions in spending cut, hundreds of thousands of Democrats fired.

The leverage is that the American people actually support what the Democrats propose. Which is why the GOP is reduced to repeatedly lying that Dems want ACA coverage for illegal immigrants.

That gives them a boost for later, like when Republicans shut down demanding a repeal of Obamacare. People remembered as they were kicked off their healthcare.
But there is still no leverage to win their demands. Republicans can always pass what Democrats want later, if it is such a damaging thing.
Meanwhile, as Democrats keep things shut down, Trump makes permanent changes to the government.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:When there is a Democrat President and Republicans in Congress cause a shutdown demanding cuts, the Democrat says give me what I want or I will close the parks and museums and let everyone know how Republicans are ruining your vacation, maybe stopping you from getting Social Security.
The Republicans state their demands and cave a few weeks later.

Here, the Democrats make demands to avoid a shutdown, and the Republican President says if you don't give me what I want, I will do more cuts, getting more of what I want.

The Democrats do not have leverage, but can't help themselves.

They do have leverage, you just don't understand it yet. If Trump follows through, Republicans are going to have a hard time getting elected for a long time.

Actually, you don’t understand it. This White House doesn’t care about Republicans getting elected. Trump is allowing his zealots to enact changes that will have long-lasting impacts on the federal government and be incredibly difficult to reverse in the future. They don’t care about mid-terms. They don’t care about polling. Anything negative is “fake news” or “rigged information” to this President.

Besides most of the damage will be done by November of 2026.

Meanwhile, Schumer and Jeffries look on like buffoons and the Democratic Party remains listless and in disarray.

DP. This really isn't accurate at all. Do you believe this?

DP

I think they are correct. Democrats look like buffoons because they are not adapting to the current environment.

Shutdowns don't affect midterms, they never have. They do affect the immediate negotiations - which both Rs and Ds know.

If it goes to the midterms it will.

It won't. Come January 3rd, the Senate can do the regular appropriations bills with no filibuster allowed.

Not exactly, they can try to do a reconciliation bill

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:When there is a Democrat President and Republicans in Congress cause a shutdown demanding cuts, the Democrat says give me what I want or I will close the parks and museums and let everyone know how Republicans are ruining your vacation, maybe stopping you from getting Social Security.
The Republicans state their demands and cave a few weeks later.

Here, the Democrats make demands to avoid a shutdown, and the Republican President says if you don't give me what I want, I will do more cuts, getting more of what I want.

The Democrats do not have leverage, but can't help themselves.

They do have leverage, you just don't understand it yet. If Trump follows through, Republicans are going to have a hard time getting elected for a long time.

That's the leverage? Trump isn't running for office again. Vought isn't running. Meanwhile tens of billions in spending cut, hundreds of thousands of Democrats fired.

The leverage is that the American people actually support what the Democrats propose. Which is why the GOP is reduced to repeatedly lying that Dems want ACA coverage for illegal immigrants.

That gives them a boost for later, like when Republicans shut down demanding a repeal of Obamacare. People remembered as they were kicked off their healthcare.
But there is still no leverage to win their demands. Republicans can always pass what Democrats want later, if it is such a damaging thing.
Meanwhile, as Democrats keep things shut down, Trump makes permanent changes to the government.

He's going to get sued over any big cuts, and will have to bring a lot of it back.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:When there is a Democrat President and Republicans in Congress cause a shutdown demanding cuts, the Democrat says give me what I want or I will close the parks and museums and let everyone know how Republicans are ruining your vacation, maybe stopping you from getting Social Security.
The Republicans state their demands and cave a few weeks later.

Here, the Democrats make demands to avoid a shutdown, and the Republican President says if you don't give me what I want, I will do more cuts, getting more of what I want.

The Democrats do not have leverage, but can't help themselves.

They do have leverage, you just don't understand it yet. If Trump follows through, Republicans are going to have a hard time getting elected for a long time.

Actually, you don’t understand it. This White House doesn’t care about Republicans getting elected. Trump is allowing his zealots to enact changes that will have long-lasting impacts on the federal government and be incredibly difficult to reverse in the future. They don’t care about mid-terms. They don’t care about polling. Anything negative is “fake news” or “rigged information” to this President.

Besides most of the damage will be done by November of 2026.

Meanwhile, Schumer and Jeffries look on like buffoons and the Democratic Party remains listless and in disarray.

DP. This really isn't accurate at all. Do you believe this?

DP

I think they are correct. Democrats look like buffoons because they are not adapting to the current environment.

Shutdowns don't affect midterms, they never have. They do affect the immediate negotiations - which both Rs and Ds know.

If it goes to the midterms it will.

It won't. Come January 3rd, the Senate can do the regular appropriations bills with no filibuster allowed.

Not exactly, they can try to do a reconciliation bill

They can do that now. No need to wait for January 3rd.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:When there is a Democrat President and Republicans in Congress cause a shutdown demanding cuts, the Democrat says give me what I want or I will close the parks and museums and let everyone know how Republicans are ruining your vacation, maybe stopping you from getting Social Security.
The Republicans state their demands and cave a few weeks later.

Here, the Democrats make demands to avoid a shutdown, and the Republican President says if you don't give me what I want, I will do more cuts, getting more of what I want.

The Democrats do not have leverage, but can't help themselves.

They do have leverage, you just don't understand it yet. If Trump follows through, Republicans are going to have a hard time getting elected for a long time.

That's the leverage? Trump isn't running for office again. Vought isn't running. Meanwhile tens of billions in spending cut, hundreds of thousands of Democrats fired.

The leverage is that the American people actually support what the Democrats propose. Which is why the GOP is reduced to repeatedly lying that Dems want ACA coverage for illegal immigrants.

That gives them a boost for later, like when Republicans shut down demanding a repeal of Obamacare. People remembered as they were kicked off their healthcare.
But there is still no leverage to win their demands. Republicans can always pass what Democrats want later, if it is such a damaging thing.
Meanwhile, as Democrats keep things shut down, Trump makes permanent changes to the government.

He's going to get sued over any big cuts, and will have to bring a lot of it back.

Supreme Court keeps allowing the cuts to go forward. Lawsuits don’t matter.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:When there is a Democrat President and Republicans in Congress cause a shutdown demanding cuts, the Democrat says give me what I want or I will close the parks and museums and let everyone know how Republicans are ruining your vacation, maybe stopping you from getting Social Security.
The Republicans state their demands and cave a few weeks later.

Here, the Democrats make demands to avoid a shutdown, and the Republican President says if you don't give me what I want, I will do more cuts, getting more of what I want.

The Democrats do not have leverage, but can't help themselves.

They do have leverage, you just don't understand it yet. If Trump follows through, Republicans are going to have a hard time getting elected for a long time.

Actually, you don’t understand it. This White House doesn’t care about Republicans getting elected. Trump is allowing his zealots to enact changes that will have long-lasting impacts on the federal government and be incredibly difficult to reverse in the future. They don’t care about mid-terms. They don’t care about polling. Anything negative is “fake news” or “rigged information” to this President.

Besides most of the damage will be done by November of 2026.

Meanwhile, Schumer and Jeffries look on like buffoons and the Democratic Party remains listless and in disarray.

DP. This really isn't accurate at all. Do you believe this?

DP

I think they are correct. Democrats look like buffoons because they are not adapting to the current environment.

Shutdowns don't affect midterms, they never have. They do affect the immediate negotiations - which both Rs and Ds know.

If it goes to the midterms it will.

Why are the Republicans only kicking the can down the road for 7 weeks with their CR? Does anyone actually believe they are going to pass a bonafide set of appropriations bills? I don't.

So then what? Another CR and shutdown battle after 7 weeks?

What is so magic about 7 weeks to the Republicans?

Nine out of 12 bills have passed out of committee in the House.

That said, the more likely answer is the few budget hawks balk at doing continuing resolutions and want spending cuts. They sell them on voting for the current bill as a short term measure, and they will do the appropriations bills process the next time. Then repeat. This has been happening for 17 years.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:When there is a Democrat President and Republicans in Congress cause a shutdown demanding cuts, the Democrat says give me what I want or I will close the parks and museums and let everyone know how Republicans are ruining your vacation, maybe stopping you from getting Social Security.
The Republicans state their demands and cave a few weeks later.

Here, the Democrats make demands to avoid a shutdown, and the Republican President says if you don't give me what I want, I will do more cuts, getting more of what I want.

The Democrats do not have leverage, but can't help themselves.

They do have leverage, you just don't understand it yet. If Trump follows through, Republicans are going to have a hard time getting elected for a long time.

Actually, you don’t understand it. This White House doesn’t care about Republicans getting elected. Trump is allowing his zealots to enact changes that will have long-lasting impacts on the federal government and be incredibly difficult to reverse in the future. They don’t care about mid-terms. They don’t care about polling. Anything negative is “fake news” or “rigged information” to this President.

Besides most of the damage will be done by November of 2026.

Meanwhile, Schumer and Jeffries look on like buffoons and the Democratic Party remains listless and in disarray.

DP. This really isn't accurate at all. Do you believe this?

DP

I think they are correct. Democrats look like buffoons because they are not adapting to the current environment.

Shutdowns don't affect midterms, they never have. They do affect the immediate negotiations - which both Rs and Ds know.

If it goes to the midterms it will.

It won't. Come January 3rd, the Senate can do the regular appropriations bills with no filibuster allowed.

What are you smoking? Name me the seats that you think will get the Republicans to 60. Just name them. Hint: you can't.

Nothing about elections, which won't bring in new people next year anyways.
Rules say no filibuster of budget bills. For some reason that doesn't apply to this CR, probably because they had a budget bill in May. Next year they start all over and no filibuster allowed.