Physicians Assistant yelling “HELP ME” while stealing a CitiBike ?

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Anonymous wrote:Unfortunately, we have seen from Emmett Till in the 60s (his white female accuser admitted to lying) to the recent Central Park birdwatcher (the video proved his white female accuser was lying) how a cry for help can often be used intentionally to minimize accountability, deflect blame, or worse, inflict harm in scenarios where they know their whiteness grants them benefits.

Even if she was right and had the bike first, her cry for help and tears followed by the quick recovery is what concerns people because of the history.

+1 This. Not sure why is so hard for people to understand this.

maybe because you are A) reflexively taking sides against her due to her race and gender and B) implying that due to their race and gender, white women must never even get visibly upset in public, let alone defend themselves.

Many have to teach their sons that even if they are right and an officer is wrong they MUST not ask questions, make any sudden moves, or reach for ID. Why? Because we've witnessed too many innocent being killed due to race and gender.

It may not be right or fair but due to the many documented cases of a cry for help not always being what it seems, some woman may need to change certain behaviors.

I won't be changing my behavior when a group of teens provokes me, harasses me and taunts me.

Me neither. And as someone who lives internationally, these clowns would have a very different reaction if they tried that nonsense anywhere in Europe or in Asia. The idea that a person is guilty innately because of the color of their skin is absurd. If anything, both parties are at fault for being immature, though the fact that these men teamed up against a pregnant woman is particularly egregious. That's not the society America is supposed to be. We're SUPPOSED to be a kind, helpful society that would look out for a pregnant woman, not deliberately attempt to mock and humiliate and bully her. But of course, as we can see, the social contract fell long ago in America.

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Anonymous wrote:JFC people. You don't rent the bike by sitting on it. You rent it through the app. It wasn't her bike, he rented it first fair and square. Was he gallant, sweeping his hat off and saying "why of course, milady, the bike is yours, may I lay my riding cape down on this puddle that you might not soil the tires as you leave?" No. But he was in the right and she was throwing a hissy fit. It was on her to deal with her frustration, recognize that he legitimately rented the bike first, and move on like a grown-ass adult.

He rents it 20 seconds into the video, after she'd already sat on the bike. You might not rent a bike by sitting on it, but it's weird to rent a bike that someone else is sitting on. She had a right to be upset.

Renting a bike someone has sat down on and is preparing to rent is obviously antagonistic. She should have, though, recognized these guys were messing with her because they are immature teens.

The video is 90 second long, and at the end she gets of the bike. So she does, ultimately realize that she is dealign with immature teens and moves on with her life.

What if the thousands of people online who have since called this woman a white supremacist and a liar, claimed she's faking her pregnancy, accused her of bias in her medical practice, and dozens of other absolute insane and unsupported accusations ALSO recognized that these guys are immature teens who were messing with a tired pregnant woman?

Like it took her about a minute to figure out what was going on and walk away from the situation. The internet is still trying to get her fired several days later. Who needs to wise up here, exactly?

The internet is the a$$hole here, definitely. But she is not the wronged party, nor is she a victim.

She may or may not be the victim in the actual event - surely she shouldn’t have touched his phone. But now she’s absolutely a victim of the internet mob.

Yup. I think she shouldn't be, and it sucks, and I hope she isn't fired, but that's a risk you take when you have a hissy in front of a bunch of phones.

I think it’s as or more likely that our director of cinematography decided to film to a push hard for a reaction so I think your order of operations are likely wrong.

Ok.

Please let me know if you have any evidence of that.

In fact, I do. The recording helpfully objectively demonstrates that he had not rented the bike, by the video visual of him with his palm over the scannable code, and by the helpful audio where you hear the unlocking, indicating the rental. Since the recording precedes the actual act of bike rental, it makes rational sense that the group wanted to bully her off of it and the now universal language of recording her shows they wanted to embarrass her into complying. Hope that is helpful.

That, to me, isn't evidence. That's interpreting/speculating on what happened.

I agree that, at the beginning of the video, he hadn't rented the bike. Neither had she. It was an open bike -- it was up for grabs. Sitting on the bike didn't make it her bike. Recording before the bike is rented could easily also have been because they saw that she incorrectly thought that it was her bike because she sat on it and was escalating the situation. She wasn't being "bullied" off the bike.

I get that you see it differently. It's definitely open to interpretation.

So if you have something in your grocery cart and someone takes it and walks away with it and pays for it first, you are totally ok with that? What if they have friends there standing around you and filming your reaction...all good? And if you do react in a frustrated way, you should be nationally criticized on the internet and suspended from your job?

She understands that as a white woman, she is always going to be viewed as the victim in any situation. She knows that white comfort is always prioritized over everything else. She is aware that if she makes a loud enough scene, some white man or a cop will come flying in to “rescue” her.

I know this has become a popular belief, but it's wrong. White women do not actually believe they will be seen as the victim in any situation. I'm a white woman, and my experience is that I am often disbelieved, assumed to be overreaction or "overemotional", or assumed to be manipulating a situation. I am as likely, if not more likely, to be accused of "playing the victim" by white men or other white women in position of power OVER me, as any POC. In my experience, when I have been harmed or treated unfairly, the POC in a position to know are more likely to believe me or protect me than the usually white people in positions of authority.

I have been raped (by a white man) and I was disbelieved by other white men and women.

I have experienced bias and harassment in the work place. Some of the white people I worked with did not believe me. Some believed me but advised me that it was in my best interest not to complain because "nothing would happen."

I have been harassed on the street, many times, by men of all races, and I have been told that it is either my fault (for wearing workout clothes, for being out by myself, for being out after dark), or that I need to just learn to ignore it. I have never had someone express sympathy or concern for me over this harassment.

As a white woman in my 40s, it is my assumption generally that people will not believe or trust the things I say, even when they are the truth and even when I have backing for them -- I have learned to sometimes be manipulative in my personal and professional lives so that people believe that they had my ideas themselves, and therefore trust them to be good. I also have a tendency to overexplain myself when under stress, because I have so much experience being disbelieved or dismissed even when I am correct.

I understand the history of white women using their victim status to endanger black men, and it's an ugly and horrible history. I have consciously made choices in my life to try and avoid doing this in terms of choosing how I position myself or how I might appeal to authority in a situation, so as not to endanger others.

But the idea that I go through life believing that all I need to do is bat my eyelashes and say "help!" and a white man will rush to my defense and attack whomever I point at is false. I don't feel that way and it is not my experience. Rather, my experience is that a white man is as likely to attack me as to help me, that I must be careful in how I present myself and make arguments because I have no expectation that I will be taken at my word, and that many people, including white men and other white women, will assume me to be a poor reporter of even my own emotional state.

Just to give you some insight into how white women think and what we experience. Hope this helps.

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Most white women now have the name "Karen" perpetually circulating in their mind whenever they even think of speaking up about something now. They have been quite effectively silenced

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Anonymous wrote:JFC people. You don't rent the bike by sitting on it. You rent it through the app. It wasn't her bike, he rented it first fair and square. Was he gallant, sweeping his hat off and saying "why of course, milady, the bike is yours, may I lay my riding cape down on this puddle that you might not soil the tires as you leave?" No. But he was in the right and she was throwing a hissy fit. It was on her to deal with her frustration, recognize that he legitimately rented the bike first, and move on like a grown-ass adult.

He rents it 20 seconds into the video, after she'd already sat on the bike. You might not rent a bike by sitting on it, but it's weird to rent a bike that someone else is sitting on. She had a right to be upset.

Renting a bike someone has sat down on and is preparing to rent is obviously antagonistic. She should have, though, recognized these guys were messing with her because they are immature teens.

The video is 90 second long, and at the end she gets of the bike. So she does, ultimately realize that she is dealign with immature teens and moves on with her life.

What if the thousands of people online who have since called this woman a white supremacist and a liar, claimed she's faking her pregnancy, accused her of bias in her medical practice, and dozens of other absolute insane and unsupported accusations ALSO recognized that these guys are immature teens who were messing with a tired pregnant woman?

Like it took her about a minute to figure out what was going on and walk away from the situation. The internet is still trying to get her fired several days later. Who needs to wise up here, exactly?

The internet is the a$$hole here, definitely. But she is not the wronged party, nor is she a victim.

She may or may not be the victim in the actual event - surely she shouldn’t have touched his phone. But now she’s absolutely a victim of the internet mob.

Yup. I think she shouldn't be, and it sucks, and I hope she isn't fired, but that's a risk you take when you have a hissy in front of a bunch of phones.

I think it’s as or more likely that our director of cinematography decided to film to a push hard for a reaction so I think your order of operations are likely wrong.

Ok.

Please let me know if you have any evidence of that.

In fact, I do. The recording helpfully objectively demonstrates that he had not rented the bike, by the video visual of him with his palm over the scannable code, and by the helpful audio where you hear the unlocking, indicating the rental. Since the recording precedes the actual act of bike rental, it makes rational sense that the group wanted to bully her off of it and the now universal language of recording her shows they wanted to embarrass her into complying. Hope that is helpful.

That, to me, isn't evidence. That's interpreting/speculating on what happened.

I agree that, at the beginning of the video, he hadn't rented the bike. Neither had she. It was an open bike -- it was up for grabs. Sitting on the bike didn't make it her bike. Recording before the bike is rented could easily also have been because they saw that she incorrectly thought that it was her bike because she sat on it and was escalating the situation. She wasn't being "bullied" off the bike.

I get that you see it differently. It's definitely open to interpretation.

So if you have something in your grocery cart and someone takes it and walks away with it and pays for it first, you are totally ok with that? What if they have friends there standing around you and filming your reaction...all good? And if you do react in a frustrated way, you should be nationally criticized on the internet and suspended from your job?

She understands that as a white woman, she is always going to be viewed as the victim in any situation. She knows that white comfort is always prioritized over everything else. She is aware that if she makes a loud enough scene, some white man or a cop will come flying in to “rescue” her.

Yes that’s why those young men are now in jail after harassing her. Because white women are always the victim. And it’s why no one is saying the young man is the victim of an attempted theft.

You and everyone defending her see her as a victim, right? You have come up with 1000 possible scenarios to justify her behavior (calling for help and fake crying.)

Almost no one on this thread is justifying her behavior. For instance, I have not seen a single post saying she was justified in taking the guy's phone. I've seen people explaining that she is taking it because he is using it to rent the bike she is sitting on (as part of the explanation of how we know that the bike is being rented 20 seconds into the video, and not before the video begins). But not justifying her choice to grab the phone.

Many people who disagree with the narrative that she stole the bike or is trying to get these black men in trouble have criticized her demeanor in the video or argued she should have handled it differently. People are not spinning "1000 possible scenarios" -- they are looking at the facts as they are presented in the video we have and noting that the man has not rented the bike at the beginning of the video, that he physically prevents her from renting the bike, that he rents it while she is sitting on it, that he uses his body position and size to force her off the bike, and that he has the support of several friends in this while she is alone. These are not "scenarios" or suppositions -- they are facts. They are what happen.

I don't see her as a victim in the video -- I tend to view the video as two people acting childishly in a dispute over a bike, and I think the man is in a more powerful position (because of his size and the fact that he has backup) than she is. I recognize that their race could be one source of conflict, but don't think it really applies in this situation because there are several other factors at play. I don't think she is viewing her race or her gender as a trump card she can play. I think they are actually limiting factors for her in this situation.

I'm not justifying anything she does, I'm just describing it. She doesn't steal the bike. She doesn't yell at this man who takes the bike or any of his friends. She does not fake cry. She does not try to get anyone to hurt or attack this man or his friends. She walks away at the end.

They might not have said that she should've been allowed to take his phone, but there has been a lot of minimizing her taking it. Several posts saying she tried to grab it. She didn't try to grab it. She successfully snatched it out of his hand then returned it when called out on it.

I think what happened, having seen similar situations and fully acknowledging it's speculation, is that he was with friends and they were dawdling while they got the rentals started. I think she was tired and came to the bike stand either not noticing they were in the process of renting a group of bikes OR not caring that they were in the process of it and she hopped on. He said no, it was his, s she wouldn't get off, and they started filming. Neither had officially rented it, but I can see how that could've happened and how she could be seated yet he was there first. I'm not sure we'll ever know what happened unless there are security cameras, but even then people will argue over it.

I agree that's likely what happened, and I don't understand how anyone can then conclude that she's a white supremacist and a thief who should be fired, which is what people are proposing.

Literally I looked up this incident on Twitter yesterday and the first 20 or so posts (I didn't read past that) were like "she's a white supremacist", "she's a b---h" "she's a liar" "she is trying to get these men killed" "she's racist" "she probably does this to her patients" "she should be fired" "she should be arrested".

I don't see how you get from what actually happened in that video to there.

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Anonymous wrote:JFC people. You don't rent the bike by sitting on it. You rent it through the app. It wasn't her bike, he rented it first fair and square. Was he gallant, sweeping his hat off and saying "why of course, milady, the bike is yours, may I lay my riding cape down on this puddle that you might not soil the tires as you leave?" No. But he was in the right and she was throwing a hissy fit. It was on her to deal with her frustration, recognize that he legitimately rented the bike first, and move on like a grown-ass adult.

He rents it 20 seconds into the video, after she'd already sat on the bike. You might not rent a bike by sitting on it, but it's weird to rent a bike that someone else is sitting on. She had a right to be upset.

Renting a bike someone has sat down on and is preparing to rent is obviously antagonistic. She should have, though, recognized these guys were messing with her because they are immature teens.

The video is 90 second long, and at the end she gets of the bike. So she does, ultimately realize that she is dealign with immature teens and moves on with her life.

What if the thousands of people online who have since called this woman a white supremacist and a liar, claimed she's faking her pregnancy, accused her of bias in her medical practice, and dozens of other absolute insane and unsupported accusations ALSO recognized that these guys are immature teens who were messing with a tired pregnant woman?

Like it took her about a minute to figure out what was going on and walk away from the situation. The internet is still trying to get her fired several days later. Who needs to wise up here, exactly?

The internet is the a$$hole here, definitely. But she is not the wronged party, nor is she a victim.

She may or may not be the victim in the actual event - surely she shouldn’t have touched his phone. But now she’s absolutely a victim of the internet mob.

Yup. I think she shouldn't be, and it sucks, and I hope she isn't fired, but that's a risk you take when you have a hissy in front of a bunch of phones.

I think it’s as or more likely that our director of cinematography decided to film to a push hard for a reaction so I think your order of operations are likely wrong.

Ok.

Please let me know if you have any evidence of that.

In fact, I do. The recording helpfully objectively demonstrates that he had not rented the bike, by the video visual of him with his palm over the scannable code, and by the helpful audio where you hear the unlocking, indicating the rental. Since the recording precedes the actual act of bike rental, it makes rational sense that the group wanted to bully her off of it and the now universal language of recording her shows they wanted to embarrass her into complying. Hope that is helpful.

That, to me, isn't evidence. That's interpreting/speculating on what happened.

I agree that, at the beginning of the video, he hadn't rented the bike. Neither had she. It was an open bike -- it was up for grabs. Sitting on the bike didn't make it her bike. Recording before the bike is rented could easily also have been because they saw that she incorrectly thought that it was her bike because she sat on it and was escalating the situation. She wasn't being "bullied" off the bike.

I get that you see it differently. It's definitely open to interpretation.

So if you have something in your grocery cart and someone takes it and walks away with it and pays for it first, you are totally ok with that? What if they have friends there standing around you and filming your reaction...all good? And if you do react in a frustrated way, you should be nationally criticized on the internet and suspended from your job?

She understands that as a white woman, she is always going to be viewed as the victim in any situation. She knows that white comfort is always prioritized over everything else. She is aware that if she makes a loud enough scene, some white man or a cop will come flying in to “rescue” her.

I know this has become a popular belief, but it's wrong. White women do not actually believe they will be seen as the victim in any situation. I'm a white woman, and my experience is that I am often disbelieved, assumed to be overreaction or "overemotional", or assumed to be manipulating a situation. I am as likely, if not more likely, to be accused of "playing the victim" by white men or other white women in position of power OVER me, as any POC. In my experience, when I have been harmed or treated unfairly, the POC in a position to know are more likely to believe me or protect me than the usually white people in positions of authority.

I have been raped (by a white man) and I was disbelieved by other white men and women.

I have experienced bias and harassment in the work place. Some of the white people I worked with did not believe me. Some believed me but advised me that it was in my best interest not to complain because "nothing would happen."

I have been harassed on the street, many times, by men of all races, and I have been told that it is either my fault (for wearing workout clothes, for being out by myself, for being out after dark), or that I need to just learn to ignore it. I have never had someone express sympathy or concern for me over this harassment.

As a white woman in my 40s, it is my assumption generally that people will not believe or trust the things I say, even when they are the truth and even when I have backing for them -- I have learned to sometimes be manipulative in my personal and professional lives so that people believe that they had my ideas themselves, and therefore trust them to be good. I also have a tendency to overexplain myself when under stress, because I have so much experience being disbelieved or dismissed even when I am correct.

I understand the history of white women using their victim status to endanger black men, and it's an ugly and horrible history. I have consciously made choices in my life to try and avoid doing this in terms of choosing how I position myself or how I might appeal to authority in a situation, so as not to endanger others.

But the idea that I go through life believing that all I need to do is bat my eyelashes and say "help!" and a white man will rush to my defense and attack whomever I point at is false. I don't feel that way and it is not my experience. Rather, my experience is that a white man is as likely to attack me as to help me, that I must be careful in how I present myself and make arguments because I have no expectation that I will be taken at my word, and that many people, including white men and other white women, will assume me to be a poor reporter of even my own emotional state.

Just to give you some insight into how white women think and what we experience. Hope this helps.

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Most white women now have the name "Karen" perpetually circulating in their mind whenever they even think of speaking up about something now. They have been quite effectively silenced

White women have been silenced but were they ever given a voice to begin with. I mean, even the examples of white women's accusations being used to justify violence against black men -- is that "having a voice"? Or is that being used as a convenient victim to justify someone else's violence and racism?

Like three rich, privileged white ladies were treated almost like white men for 10 minutes and then we introduced "Karen" and now all the white ladies are being told to shut up again, which is what they were told for... uh, ever before that.

Good work, we fixed society now that we shut up those dumb white ladies. Everything will be good now because clearly they were the source of the trouble.

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Anonymous wrote:JFC people. You don't rent the bike by sitting on it. You rent it through the app. It wasn't her bike, he rented it first fair and square. Was he gallant, sweeping his hat off and saying "why of course, milady, the bike is yours, may I lay my riding cape down on this puddle that you might not soil the tires as you leave?" No. But he was in the right and she was throwing a hissy fit. It was on her to deal with her frustration, recognize that he legitimately rented the bike first, and move on like a grown-ass adult.

He rents it 20 seconds into the video, after she'd already sat on the bike. You might not rent a bike by sitting on it, but it's weird to rent a bike that someone else is sitting on. She had a right to be upset.

Renting a bike someone has sat down on and is preparing to rent is obviously antagonistic. She should have, though, recognized these guys were messing with her because they are immature teens.

The video is 90 second long, and at the end she gets of the bike. So she does, ultimately realize that she is dealign with immature teens and moves on with her life.

What if the thousands of people online who have since called this woman a white supremacist and a liar, claimed she's faking her pregnancy, accused her of bias in her medical practice, and dozens of other absolute insane and unsupported accusations ALSO recognized that these guys are immature teens who were messing with a tired pregnant woman?

Like it took her about a minute to figure out what was going on and walk away from the situation. The internet is still trying to get her fired several days later. Who needs to wise up here, exactly?

The internet is the a$$hole here, definitely. But she is not the wronged party, nor is she a victim.

She may or may not be the victim in the actual event - surely she shouldn’t have touched his phone. But now she’s absolutely a victim of the internet mob.

Yup. I think she shouldn't be, and it sucks, and I hope she isn't fired, but that's a risk you take when you have a hissy in front of a bunch of phones.

I think it’s as or more likely that our director of cinematography decided to film to a push hard for a reaction so I think your order of operations are likely wrong.

Ok.

Please let me know if you have any evidence of that.

In fact, I do. The recording helpfully objectively demonstrates that he had not rented the bike, by the video visual of him with his palm over the scannable code, and by the helpful audio where you hear the unlocking, indicating the rental. Since the recording precedes the actual act of bike rental, it makes rational sense that the group wanted to bully her off of it and the now universal language of recording her shows they wanted to embarrass her into complying. Hope that is helpful.

That, to me, isn't evidence. That's interpreting/speculating on what happened.

I agree that, at the beginning of the video, he hadn't rented the bike. Neither had she. It was an open bike -- it was up for grabs. Sitting on the bike didn't make it her bike. Recording before the bike is rented could easily also have been because they saw that she incorrectly thought that it was her bike because she sat on it and was escalating the situation. She wasn't being "bullied" off the bike.

I get that you see it differently. It's definitely open to interpretation.

So if you have something in your grocery cart and someone takes it and walks away with it and pays for it first, you are totally ok with that? What if they have friends there standing around you and filming your reaction...all good? And if you do react in a frustrated way, you should be nationally criticized on the internet and suspended from your job?

She understands that as a white woman, she is always going to be viewed as the victim in any situation. She knows that white comfort is always prioritized over everything else. She is aware that if she makes a loud enough scene, some white man or a cop will come flying in to “rescue” her.

I know this has become a popular belief, but it's wrong. White women do not actually believe they will be seen as the victim in any situation. I'm a white woman, and my experience is that I am often disbelieved, assumed to be overreaction or "overemotional", or assumed to be manipulating a situation. I am as likely, if not more likely, to be accused of "playing the victim" by white men or other white women in position of power OVER me, as any POC. In my experience, when I have been harmed or treated unfairly, the POC in a position to know are more likely to believe me or protect me than the usually white people in positions of authority.

I have been raped (by a white man) and I was disbelieved by other white men and women.

I have experienced bias and harassment in the work place. Some of the white people I worked with did not believe me. Some believed me but advised me that it was in my best interest not to complain because "nothing would happen."

I have been harassed on the street, many times, by men of all races, and I have been told that it is either my fault (for wearing workout clothes, for being out by myself, for being out after dark), or that I need to just learn to ignore it. I have never had someone express sympathy or concern for me over this harassment.

As a white woman in my 40s, it is my assumption generally that people will not believe or trust the things I say, even when they are the truth and even when I have backing for them -- I have learned to sometimes be manipulative in my personal and professional lives so that people believe that they had my ideas themselves, and therefore trust them to be good. I also have a tendency to overexplain myself when under stress, because I have so much experience being disbelieved or dismissed even when I am correct.

I understand the history of white women using their victim status to endanger black men, and it's an ugly and horrible history. I have consciously made choices in my life to try and avoid doing this in terms of choosing how I position myself or how I might appeal to authority in a situation, so as not to endanger others.

But the idea that I go through life believing that all I need to do is bat my eyelashes and say "help!" and a white man will rush to my defense and attack whomever I point at is false. I don't feel that way and it is not my experience. Rather, my experience is that a white man is as likely to attack me as to help me, that I must be careful in how I present myself and make arguments because I have no expectation that I will be taken at my word, and that many people, including white men and other white women, will assume me to be a poor reporter of even my own emotional state.

Just to give you some insight into how white women think and what we experience. Hope this helps.

+100000

Most white women now have the name "Karen" perpetually circulating in their mind whenever they even think of speaking up about something now. They have been quite effectively silenced

+100000. Now whenever I'm getting horrible service at a store, I just walk away. No, I'm not playing victim, I'm just reporting how I behave these days.

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Anonymous wrote:Why is everything about race? It seems as soon as a white person does anything even slightly wacky, they are accused of being a virulent racist, card carrying member of the KKK. These kinds of arguments/stupid fights are common between ALL people- amongst white people, black people, asian people. But as soon as you have it be between a white person and a black person suddenly the white person is automatically wrong, and, not only that, a disgusting vile hateful person who deserves to be fired from their job and have their life destroyed. It's actually very bizarre and sick. And people are noticing.

I agree. It’s a hyperbolic response that adults shouldn’t entertain.

Most adults dont. You can tell the tide is shifting by how much of a relative non reaction this has had. Compare that to the instant cancelling of the central park dog-walking lady in 2020 (who has now been somewhat vindicated). Or by the fundraising support given to the guy who killed jordan neely vs to jordan neely. I think people are seeing how silly and deliberately divisive these incidences are and learning to simply ignore.

I think this is a bit muddled - the Central Park woman was not cleared, and while I don’t think Neely was murdered in the legal sense, I won’t contribute to Penny’s defense.

This is very different. This is people wanting this woman fired from Bellevue because they are *willfully* ignoring how people access the QR code to rent citibikes, and ignoring what *actually* is shown in the video, which parties use slurs.

That's your opinion which you're entitled to have. The Central Park lady largely was cleared and appeared on Bari Weiss's podcast to talk about what she went through. Anyone in their right mind would say that the guy who choked Jordan Neely, as sad as it was, was doing nothing wrong. Again, people with a brain are starting see through this nonsense, hence why this incident gained barely any traction. The numbers on the respective Jordan Neely gofundmes speak volumes. People are done.

DP. Whether or not the Central Park lady was cleared, the video clearly shows her bad behavior.

But in this case there's enough blame to go around.

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Anonymous wrote:JFC people. You don't rent the bike by sitting on it. You rent it through the app. It wasn't her bike, he rented it first fair and square. Was he gallant, sweeping his hat off and saying "why of course, milady, the bike is yours, may I lay my riding cape down on this puddle that you might not soil the tires as you leave?" No. But he was in the right and she was throwing a hissy fit. It was on her to deal with her frustration, recognize that he legitimately rented the bike first, and move on like a grown-ass adult.

He rents it 20 seconds into the video, after she'd already sat on the bike. You might not rent a bike by sitting on it, but it's weird to rent a bike that someone else is sitting on. She had a right to be upset.

Renting a bike someone has sat down on and is preparing to rent is obviously antagonistic. She should have, though, recognized these guys were messing with her because they are immature teens.

The video is 90 second long, and at the end she gets of the bike. So she does, ultimately realize that she is dealign with immature teens and moves on with her life.

What if the thousands of people online who have since called this woman a white supremacist and a liar, claimed she's faking her pregnancy, accused her of bias in her medical practice, and dozens of other absolute insane and unsupported accusations ALSO recognized that these guys are immature teens who were messing with a tired pregnant woman?

Like it took her about a minute to figure out what was going on and walk away from the situation. The internet is still trying to get her fired several days later. Who needs to wise up here, exactly?

The internet is the a$$hole here, definitely. But she is not the wronged party, nor is she a victim.

She may or may not be the victim in the actual event - surely she shouldn’t have touched his phone. But now she’s absolutely a victim of the internet mob.

Yup. I think she shouldn't be, and it sucks, and I hope she isn't fired, but that's a risk you take when you have a hissy in front of a bunch of phones.

I think it’s as or more likely that our director of cinematography decided to film to a push hard for a reaction so I think your order of operations are likely wrong.

Ok.

Please let me know if you have any evidence of that.

In fact, I do. The recording helpfully objectively demonstrates that he had not rented the bike, by the video visual of him with his palm over the scannable code, and by the helpful audio where you hear the unlocking, indicating the rental. Since the recording precedes the actual act of bike rental, it makes rational sense that the group wanted to bully her off of it and the now universal language of recording her shows they wanted to embarrass her into complying. Hope that is helpful.

That, to me, isn't evidence. That's interpreting/speculating on what happened.

I agree that, at the beginning of the video, he hadn't rented the bike. Neither had she. It was an open bike -- it was up for grabs. Sitting on the bike didn't make it her bike. Recording before the bike is rented could easily also have been because they saw that she incorrectly thought that it was her bike because she sat on it and was escalating the situation. She wasn't being "bullied" off the bike.

I get that you see it differently. It's definitely open to interpretation.

So if you have something in your grocery cart and someone takes it and walks away with it and pays for it first, you are totally ok with that? What if they have friends there standing around you and filming your reaction...all good? And if you do react in a frustrated way, you should be nationally criticized on the internet and suspended from your job?

She understands that as a white woman, she is always going to be viewed as the victim in any situation. She knows that white comfort is always prioritized over everything else. She is aware that if she makes a loud enough scene, some white man or a cop will come flying in to “rescue” her.

I know this has become a popular belief, but it's wrong. White women do not actually believe they will be seen as the victim in any situation. I'm a white woman, and my experience is that I am often disbelieved, assumed to be overreaction or "overemotional", or assumed to be manipulating a situation. I am as likely, if not more likely, to be accused of "playing the victim" by white men or other white women in position of power OVER me, as any POC. In my experience, when I have been harmed or treated unfairly, the POC in a position to know are more likely to believe me or protect me than the usually white people in positions of authority.

I have been raped (by a white man) and I was disbelieved by other white men and women.

I have experienced bias and harassment in the work place. Some of the white people I worked with did not believe me. Some believed me but advised me that it was in my best interest not to complain because "nothing would happen."

I have been harassed on the street, many times, by men of all races, and I have been told that it is either my fault (for wearing workout clothes, for being out by myself, for being out after dark), or that I need to just learn to ignore it. I have never had someone express sympathy or concern for me over this harassment.

As a white woman in my 40s, it is my assumption generally that people will not believe or trust the things I say, even when they are the truth and even when I have backing for them -- I have learned to sometimes be manipulative in my personal and professional lives so that people believe that they had my ideas themselves, and therefore trust them to be good. I also have a tendency to overexplain myself when under stress, because I have so much experience being disbelieved or dismissed even when I am correct.

I understand the history of white women using their victim status to endanger black men, and it's an ugly and horrible history. I have consciously made choices in my life to try and avoid doing this in terms of choosing how I position myself or how I might appeal to authority in a situation, so as not to endanger others.

But the idea that I go through life believing that all I need to do is bat my eyelashes and say "help!" and a white man will rush to my defense and attack whomever I point at is false. I don't feel that way and it is not my experience. Rather, my experience is that a white man is as likely to attack me as to help me, that I must be careful in how I present myself and make arguments because I have no expectation that I will be taken at my word, and that many people, including white men and other white women, will assume me to be a poor reporter of even my own emotional state.

Just to give you some insight into how white women think and what we experience. Hope this helps.

+100000

Most white women now have the name "Karen" perpetually circulating in their mind whenever they even think of speaking up about something now. They have been quite effectively silenced

+100000. Now whenever I'm getting horrible service at a store, I just walk away. No, I'm not playing victim, I'm just reporting how I behave these days.

I refuse to play that game. I'm well spoken so I will argue back. I dont care if someone films it because I'd probably start filming them too. Gotta fight fire with fire

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Anonymous wrote:JFC people. You don't rent the bike by sitting on it. You rent it through the app. It wasn't her bike, he rented it first fair and square. Was he gallant, sweeping his hat off and saying "why of course, milady, the bike is yours, may I lay my riding cape down on this puddle that you might not soil the tires as you leave?" No. But he was in the right and she was throwing a hissy fit. It was on her to deal with her frustration, recognize that he legitimately rented the bike first, and move on like a grown-ass adult.

He rents it 20 seconds into the video, after she'd already sat on the bike. You might not rent a bike by sitting on it, but it's weird to rent a bike that someone else is sitting on. She had a right to be upset.

Renting a bike someone has sat down on and is preparing to rent is obviously antagonistic. She should have, though, recognized these guys were messing with her because they are immature teens.

The video is 90 second long, and at the end she gets of the bike. So she does, ultimately realize that she is dealign with immature teens and moves on with her life.

What if the thousands of people online who have since called this woman a white supremacist and a liar, claimed she's faking her pregnancy, accused her of bias in her medical practice, and dozens of other absolute insane and unsupported accusations ALSO recognized that these guys are immature teens who were messing with a tired pregnant woman?

Like it took her about a minute to figure out what was going on and walk away from the situation. The internet is still trying to get her fired several days later. Who needs to wise up here, exactly?

The internet is the a$$hole here, definitely. But she is not the wronged party, nor is she a victim.

She may or may not be the victim in the actual event - surely she shouldn’t have touched his phone. But now she’s absolutely a victim of the internet mob.

Yup. I think she shouldn't be, and it sucks, and I hope she isn't fired, but that's a risk you take when you have a hissy in front of a bunch of phones.

I think it’s as or more likely that our director of cinematography decided to film to a push hard for a reaction so I think your order of operations are likely wrong.

Ok.

Please let me know if you have any evidence of that.

In fact, I do. The recording helpfully objectively demonstrates that he had not rented the bike, by the video visual of him with his palm over the scannable code, and by the helpful audio where you hear the unlocking, indicating the rental. Since the recording precedes the actual act of bike rental, it makes rational sense that the group wanted to bully her off of it and the now universal language of recording her shows they wanted to embarrass her into complying. Hope that is helpful.

That, to me, isn't evidence. That's interpreting/speculating on what happened.

I agree that, at the beginning of the video, he hadn't rented the bike. Neither had she. It was an open bike -- it was up for grabs. Sitting on the bike didn't make it her bike. Recording before the bike is rented could easily also have been because they saw that she incorrectly thought that it was her bike because she sat on it and was escalating the situation. She wasn't being "bullied" off the bike.

I get that you see it differently. It's definitely open to interpretation.

So if you have something in your grocery cart and someone takes it and walks away with it and pays for it first, you are totally ok with that? What if they have friends there standing around you and filming your reaction...all good? And if you do react in a frustrated way, you should be nationally criticized on the internet and suspended from your job?

She understands that as a white woman, she is always going to be viewed as the victim in any situation. She knows that white comfort is always prioritized over everything else. She is aware that if she makes a loud enough scene, some white man or a cop will come flying in to “rescue” her.

I know this has become a popular belief, but it's wrong. White women do not actually believe they will be seen as the victim in any situation. I'm a white woman, and my experience is that I am often disbelieved, assumed to be overreaction or "overemotional", or assumed to be manipulating a situation. I am as likely, if not more likely, to be accused of "playing the victim" by white men or other white women in position of power OVER me, as any POC. In my experience, when I have been harmed or treated unfairly, the POC in a position to know are more likely to believe me or protect me than the usually white people in positions of authority.

I have been raped (by a white man) and I was disbelieved by other white men and women.

I have experienced bias and harassment in the work place. Some of the white people I worked with did not believe me. Some believed me but advised me that it was in my best interest not to complain because "nothing would happen."

I have been harassed on the street, many times, by men of all races, and I have been told that it is either my fault (for wearing workout clothes, for being out by myself, for being out after dark), or that I need to just learn to ignore it. I have never had someone express sympathy or concern for me over this harassment.

As a white woman in my 40s, it is my assumption generally that people will not believe or trust the things I say, even when they are the truth and even when I have backing for them -- I have learned to sometimes be manipulative in my personal and professional lives so that people believe that they had my ideas themselves, and therefore trust them to be good. I also have a tendency to overexplain myself when under stress, because I have so much experience being disbelieved or dismissed even when I am correct.

I understand the history of white women using their victim status to endanger black men, and it's an ugly and horrible history. I have consciously made choices in my life to try and avoid doing this in terms of choosing how I position myself or how I might appeal to authority in a situation, so as not to endanger others.

But the idea that I go through life believing that all I need to do is bat my eyelashes and say "help!" and a white man will rush to my defense and attack whomever I point at is false. I don't feel that way and it is not my experience. Rather, my experience is that a white man is as likely to attack me as to help me, that I must be careful in how I present myself and make arguments because I have no expectation that I will be taken at my word, and that many people, including white men and other white women, will assume me to be a poor reporter of even my own emotional state.

Just to give you some insight into how white women think and what we experience. Hope this helps.

+100000

Most white women now have the name "Karen" perpetually circulating in their mind whenever they even think of speaking up about something now. They have been quite effectively silenced

+100000. Now whenever I'm getting horrible service at a store, I just walk away. No, I'm not playing victim, I'm just reporting how I behave these days.

I refuse to play that game. I'm well spoken so I will argue back. I dont care if someone films it because I'd probably start filming them too. Gotta fight fire with fire

I don’t care because I’m a conservative. Only liberals get canceled.

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Anonymous wrote:JFC people. You don't rent the bike by sitting on it. You rent it through the app. It wasn't her bike, he rented it first fair and square. Was he gallant, sweeping his hat off and saying "why of course, milady, the bike is yours, may I lay my riding cape down on this puddle that you might not soil the tires as you leave?" No. But he was in the right and she was throwing a hissy fit. It was on her to deal with her frustration, recognize that he legitimately rented the bike first, and move on like a grown-ass adult.

He rents it 20 seconds into the video, after she'd already sat on the bike. You might not rent a bike by sitting on it, but it's weird to rent a bike that someone else is sitting on. She had a right to be upset.

Renting a bike someone has sat down on and is preparing to rent is obviously antagonistic. She should have, though, recognized these guys were messing with her because they are immature teens.

The video is 90 second long, and at the end she gets of the bike. So she does, ultimately realize that she is dealign with immature teens and moves on with her life.

What if the thousands of people online who have since called this woman a white supremacist and a liar, claimed she's faking her pregnancy, accused her of bias in her medical practice, and dozens of other absolute insane and unsupported accusations ALSO recognized that these guys are immature teens who were messing with a tired pregnant woman?

Like it took her about a minute to figure out what was going on and walk away from the situation. The internet is still trying to get her fired several days later. Who needs to wise up here, exactly?

The internet is the a$$hole here, definitely. But she is not the wronged party, nor is she a victim.

She may or may not be the victim in the actual event - surely she shouldn’t have touched his phone. But now she’s absolutely a victim of the internet mob.

Yup. I think she shouldn't be, and it sucks, and I hope she isn't fired, but that's a risk you take when you have a hissy in front of a bunch of phones.

I think it’s as or more likely that our director of cinematography decided to film to a push hard for a reaction so I think your order of operations are likely wrong.

Ok.

Please let me know if you have any evidence of that.

In fact, I do. The recording helpfully objectively demonstrates that he had not rented the bike, by the video visual of him with his palm over the scannable code, and by the helpful audio where you hear the unlocking, indicating the rental. Since the recording precedes the actual act of bike rental, it makes rational sense that the group wanted to bully her off of it and the now universal language of recording her shows they wanted to embarrass her into complying. Hope that is helpful.

That, to me, isn't evidence. That's interpreting/speculating on what happened.

I agree that, at the beginning of the video, he hadn't rented the bike. Neither had she. It was an open bike -- it was up for grabs. Sitting on the bike didn't make it her bike. Recording before the bike is rented could easily also have been because they saw that she incorrectly thought that it was her bike because she sat on it and was escalating the situation. She wasn't being "bullied" off the bike.

I get that you see it differently. It's definitely open to interpretation.

So if you have something in your grocery cart and someone takes it and walks away with it and pays for it first, you are totally ok with that? What if they have friends there standing around you and filming your reaction...all good? And if you do react in a frustrated way, you should be nationally criticized on the internet and suspended from your job?

She understands that as a white woman, she is always going to be viewed as the victim in any situation. She knows that white comfort is always prioritized over everything else. She is aware that if she makes a loud enough scene, some white man or a cop will come flying in to “rescue” her.

I know this has become a popular belief, but it's wrong. White women do not actually believe they will be seen as the victim in any situation. I'm a white woman, and my experience is that I am often disbelieved, assumed to be overreaction or "overemotional", or assumed to be manipulating a situation. I am as likely, if not more likely, to be accused of "playing the victim" by white men or other white women in position of power OVER me, as any POC. In my experience, when I have been harmed or treated unfairly, the POC in a position to know are more likely to believe me or protect me than the usually white people in positions of authority.

I have been raped (by a white man) and I was disbelieved by other white men and women.

I have experienced bias and harassment in the work place. Some of the white people I worked with did not believe me. Some believed me but advised me that it was in my best interest not to complain because "nothing would happen."

I have been harassed on the street, many times, by men of all races, and I have been told that it is either my fault (for wearing workout clothes, for being out by myself, for being out after dark), or that I need to just learn to ignore it. I have never had someone express sympathy or concern for me over this harassment.

As a white woman in my 40s, it is my assumption generally that people will not believe or trust the things I say, even when they are the truth and even when I have backing for them -- I have learned to sometimes be manipulative in my personal and professional lives so that people believe that they had my ideas themselves, and therefore trust them to be good. I also have a tendency to overexplain myself when under stress, because I have so much experience being disbelieved or dismissed even when I am correct.

I understand the history of white women using their victim status to endanger black men, and it's an ugly and horrible history. I have consciously made choices in my life to try and avoid doing this in terms of choosing how I position myself or how I might appeal to authority in a situation, so as not to endanger others.

But the idea that I go through life believing that all I need to do is bat my eyelashes and say "help!" and a white man will rush to my defense and attack whomever I point at is false. I don't feel that way and it is not my experience. Rather, my experience is that a white man is as likely to attack me as to help me, that I must be careful in how I present myself and make arguments because I have no expectation that I will be taken at my word, and that many people, including white men and other white women, will assume me to be a poor reporter of even my own emotional state.

Just to give you some insight into how white women think and what we experience. Hope this helps.

+100000

Most white women now have the name "Karen" perpetually circulating in their mind whenever they even think of speaking up about something now. They have been quite effectively silenced

+100000. Now whenever I'm getting horrible service at a store, I just walk away. No, I'm not playing victim, I'm just reporting how I behave these days.

I refuse to play that game. I'm well spoken so I will argue back. I dont care if someone films it because I'd probably start filming them too. Gotta fight fire with fire

I don’t care because I’m a conservative. Only liberals get canceled.

Pretty much. Also if I got "cancelled" i would be loudly and vocally advocating for myself. If you do that, I think you're golden. You cant lay down and try to apolozie and simper because they will just be out for blood. You've got to stand up and assert your right to speech and to be a human.

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Anonymous wrote:JFC people. You don't rent the bike by sitting on it. You rent it through the app. It wasn't her bike, he rented it first fair and square. Was he gallant, sweeping his hat off and saying "why of course, milady, the bike is yours, may I lay my riding cape down on this puddle that you might not soil the tires as you leave?" No. But he was in the right and she was throwing a hissy fit. It was on her to deal with her frustration, recognize that he legitimately rented the bike first, and move on like a grown-ass adult.

He rents it 20 seconds into the video, after she'd already sat on the bike. You might not rent a bike by sitting on it, but it's weird to rent a bike that someone else is sitting on. She had a right to be upset.

Renting a bike someone has sat down on and is preparing to rent is obviously antagonistic. She should have, though, recognized these guys were messing with her because they are immature teens.

The video is 90 second long, and at the end she gets of the bike. So she does, ultimately realize that she is dealign with immature teens and moves on with her life.

What if the thousands of people online who have since called this woman a white supremacist and a liar, claimed she's faking her pregnancy, accused her of bias in her medical practice, and dozens of other absolute insane and unsupported accusations ALSO recognized that these guys are immature teens who were messing with a tired pregnant woman?

Like it took her about a minute to figure out what was going on and walk away from the situation. The internet is still trying to get her fired several days later. Who needs to wise up here, exactly?

The internet is the a$$hole here, definitely. But she is not the wronged party, nor is she a victim.

She may or may not be the victim in the actual event - surely she shouldn’t have touched his phone. But now she’s absolutely a victim of the internet mob.

Yup. I think she shouldn't be, and it sucks, and I hope she isn't fired, but that's a risk you take when you have a hissy in front of a bunch of phones.

I think it’s as or more likely that our director of cinematography decided to film to a push hard for a reaction so I think your order of operations are likely wrong.

Ok.

Please let me know if you have any evidence of that.

In fact, I do. The recording helpfully objectively demonstrates that he had not rented the bike, by the video visual of him with his palm over the scannable code, and by the helpful audio where you hear the unlocking, indicating the rental. Since the recording precedes the actual act of bike rental, it makes rational sense that the group wanted to bully her off of it and the now universal language of recording her shows they wanted to embarrass her into complying. Hope that is helpful.

That, to me, isn't evidence. That's interpreting/speculating on what happened.

I agree that, at the beginning of the video, he hadn't rented the bike. Neither had she. It was an open bike -- it was up for grabs. Sitting on the bike didn't make it her bike. Recording before the bike is rented could easily also have been because they saw that she incorrectly thought that it was her bike because she sat on it and was escalating the situation. She wasn't being "bullied" off the bike.

I get that you see it differently. It's definitely open to interpretation.

So if you have something in your grocery cart and someone takes it and walks away with it and pays for it first, you are totally ok with that? What if they have friends there standing around you and filming your reaction...all good? And if you do react in a frustrated way, you should be nationally criticized on the internet and suspended from your job?

She understands that as a white woman, she is always going to be viewed as the victim in any situation. She knows that white comfort is always prioritized over everything else. She is aware that if she makes a loud enough scene, some white man or a cop will come flying in to “rescue” her.

I know this has become a popular belief, but it's wrong. White women do not actually believe they will be seen as the victim in any situation. I'm a white woman, and my experience is that I am often disbelieved, assumed to be overreaction or "overemotional", or assumed to be manipulating a situation. I am as likely, if not more likely, to be accused of "playing the victim" by white men or other white women in position of power OVER me, as any POC. In my experience, when I have been harmed or treated unfairly, the POC in a position to know are more likely to believe me or protect me than the usually white people in positions of authority.

I have been raped (by a white man) and I was disbelieved by other white men and women.

I have experienced bias and harassment in the work place. Some of the white people I worked with did not believe me. Some believed me but advised me that it was in my best interest not to complain because "nothing would happen."

I have been harassed on the street, many times, by men of all races, and I have been told that it is either my fault (for wearing workout clothes, for being out by myself, for being out after dark), or that I need to just learn to ignore it. I have never had someone express sympathy or concern for me over this harassment.

As a white woman in my 40s, it is my assumption generally that people will not believe or trust the things I say, even when they are the truth and even when I have backing for them -- I have learned to sometimes be manipulative in my personal and professional lives so that people believe that they had my ideas themselves, and therefore trust them to be good. I also have a tendency to overexplain myself when under stress, because I have so much experience being disbelieved or dismissed even when I am correct.

I understand the history of white women using their victim status to endanger black men, and it's an ugly and horrible history. I have consciously made choices in my life to try and avoid doing this in terms of choosing how I position myself or how I might appeal to authority in a situation, so as not to endanger others.

But the idea that I go through life believing that all I need to do is bat my eyelashes and say "help!" and a white man will rush to my defense and attack whomever I point at is false. I don't feel that way and it is not my experience. Rather, my experience is that a white man is as likely to attack me as to help me, that I must be careful in how I present myself and make arguments because I have no expectation that I will be taken at my word, and that many people, including white men and other white women, will assume me to be a poor reporter of even my own emotional state.

Just to give you some insight into how white women think and what we experience. Hope this helps.

+100000

Most white women now have the name "Karen" perpetually circulating in their mind whenever they even think of speaking up about something now. They have been quite effectively silenced

+100000. Now whenever I'm getting horrible service at a store, I just walk away. No, I'm not playing victim, I'm just reporting how I behave these days.

I refuse to play that game. I'm well spoken so I will argue back. I dont care if someone films it because I'd probably start filming them too. Gotta fight fire with fire

PP here. I'm well-spoken too. I just don't believe we can win in these situations. And I don't want to end up on somebody's Karen reel for politely complaining about something ultimately dumb, like why they brought out lattes for the ten people after me but still haven't brought out mine.

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Anonymous wrote:JFC people. You don't rent the bike by sitting on it. You rent it through the app. It wasn't her bike, he rented it first fair and square. Was he gallant, sweeping his hat off and saying "why of course, milady, the bike is yours, may I lay my riding cape down on this puddle that you might not soil the tires as you leave?" No. But he was in the right and she was throwing a hissy fit. It was on her to deal with her frustration, recognize that he legitimately rented the bike first, and move on like a grown-ass adult.

He rents it 20 seconds into the video, after she'd already sat on the bike. You might not rent a bike by sitting on it, but it's weird to rent a bike that someone else is sitting on. She had a right to be upset.

Renting a bike someone has sat down on and is preparing to rent is obviously antagonistic. She should have, though, recognized these guys were messing with her because they are immature teens.

The video is 90 second long, and at the end she gets of the bike. So she does, ultimately realize that she is dealign with immature teens and moves on with her life.

What if the thousands of people online who have since called this woman a white supremacist and a liar, claimed she's faking her pregnancy, accused her of bias in her medical practice, and dozens of other absolute insane and unsupported accusations ALSO recognized that these guys are immature teens who were messing with a tired pregnant woman?

Like it took her about a minute to figure out what was going on and walk away from the situation. The internet is still trying to get her fired several days later. Who needs to wise up here, exactly?

The internet is the a$$hole here, definitely. But she is not the wronged party, nor is she a victim.

She may or may not be the victim in the actual event - surely she shouldn’t have touched his phone. But now she’s absolutely a victim of the internet mob.

Yup. I think she shouldn't be, and it sucks, and I hope she isn't fired, but that's a risk you take when you have a hissy in front of a bunch of phones.

I think it’s as or more likely that our director of cinematography decided to film to a push hard for a reaction so I think your order of operations are likely wrong.

Ok.

Please let me know if you have any evidence of that.

In fact, I do. The recording helpfully objectively demonstrates that he had not rented the bike, by the video visual of him with his palm over the scannable code, and by the helpful audio where you hear the unlocking, indicating the rental. Since the recording precedes the actual act of bike rental, it makes rational sense that the group wanted to bully her off of it and the now universal language of recording her shows they wanted to embarrass her into complying. Hope that is helpful.

That, to me, isn't evidence. That's interpreting/speculating on what happened.

I agree that, at the beginning of the video, he hadn't rented the bike. Neither had she. It was an open bike -- it was up for grabs. Sitting on the bike didn't make it her bike. Recording before the bike is rented could easily also have been because they saw that she incorrectly thought that it was her bike because she sat on it and was escalating the situation. She wasn't being "bullied" off the bike.

I get that you see it differently. It's definitely open to interpretation.

So if you have something in your grocery cart and someone takes it and walks away with it and pays for it first, you are totally ok with that? What if they have friends there standing around you and filming your reaction...all good? And if you do react in a frustrated way, you should be nationally criticized on the internet and suspended from your job?

She understands that as a white woman, she is always going to be viewed as the victim in any situation. She knows that white comfort is always prioritized over everything else. She is aware that if she makes a loud enough scene, some white man or a cop will come flying in to “rescue” her.

I know this has become a popular belief, but it's wrong. White women do not actually believe they will be seen as the victim in any situation. I'm a white woman, and my experience is that I am often disbelieved, assumed to be overreaction or "overemotional", or assumed to be manipulating a situation. I am as likely, if not more likely, to be accused of "playing the victim" by white men or other white women in position of power OVER me, as any POC. In my experience, when I have been harmed or treated unfairly, the POC in a position to know are more likely to believe me or protect me than the usually white people in positions of authority.

I have been raped (by a white man) and I was disbelieved by other white men and women.

I have experienced bias and harassment in the work place. Some of the white people I worked with did not believe me. Some believed me but advised me that it was in my best interest not to complain because "nothing would happen."

I have been harassed on the street, many times, by men of all races, and I have been told that it is either my fault (for wearing workout clothes, for being out by myself, for being out after dark), or that I need to just learn to ignore it. I have never had someone express sympathy or concern for me over this harassment.

As a white woman in my 40s, it is my assumption generally that people will not believe or trust the things I say, even when they are the truth and even when I have backing for them -- I have learned to sometimes be manipulative in my personal and professional lives so that people believe that they had my ideas themselves, and therefore trust them to be good. I also have a tendency to overexplain myself when under stress, because I have so much experience being disbelieved or dismissed even when I am correct.

I understand the history of white women using their victim status to endanger black men, and it's an ugly and horrible history. I have consciously made choices in my life to try and avoid doing this in terms of choosing how I position myself or how I might appeal to authority in a situation, so as not to endanger others.

But the idea that I go through life believing that all I need to do is bat my eyelashes and say "help!" and a white man will rush to my defense and attack whomever I point at is false. I don't feel that way and it is not my experience. Rather, my experience is that a white man is as likely to attack me as to help me, that I must be careful in how I present myself and make arguments because I have no expectation that I will be taken at my word, and that many people, including white men and other white women, will assume me to be a poor reporter of even my own emotional state.

Just to give you some insight into how white women think and what we experience. Hope this helps.

+100000

Most white women now have the name "Karen" perpetually circulating in their mind whenever they even think of speaking up about something now. They have been quite effectively silenced

+100000. Now whenever I'm getting horrible service at a store, I just walk away. No, I'm not playing victim, I'm just reporting how I behave these days.

I refuse to play that game. I'm well spoken so I will argue back. I dont care if someone films it because I'd probably start filming them too. Gotta fight fire with fire

I don’t care because I’m a conservative. Only liberals get canceled.

Pretty much. Also if I got "cancelled" i would be loudly and vocally advocating for myself. If you do that, I think you're golden. You cant lay down and try to apolozie and simper because they will just be out for blood. You've got to stand up and assert your right to speech and to be a human.

Like the PA? Because she's on administrative leave and may be fired, and the internet pitchforks are out for her.

There's an argument that she shouldn't have cried, though. You can be assertive in good and bad ways. Reminding people about "white women's tears" isn't one of the good ways.

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Anonymous wrote:JFC people. You don't rent the bike by sitting on it. You rent it through the app. It wasn't her bike, he rented it first fair and square. Was he gallant, sweeping his hat off and saying "why of course, milady, the bike is yours, may I lay my riding cape down on this puddle that you might not soil the tires as you leave?" No. But he was in the right and she was throwing a hissy fit. It was on her to deal with her frustration, recognize that he legitimately rented the bike first, and move on like a grown-ass adult.

He rents it 20 seconds into the video, after she'd already sat on the bike. You might not rent a bike by sitting on it, but it's weird to rent a bike that someone else is sitting on. She had a right to be upset.

Renting a bike someone has sat down on and is preparing to rent is obviously antagonistic. She should have, though, recognized these guys were messing with her because they are immature teens.

The video is 90 second long, and at the end she gets of the bike. So she does, ultimately realize that she is dealign with immature teens and moves on with her life.

What if the thousands of people online who have since called this woman a white supremacist and a liar, claimed she's faking her pregnancy, accused her of bias in her medical practice, and dozens of other absolute insane and unsupported accusations ALSO recognized that these guys are immature teens who were messing with a tired pregnant woman?

Like it took her about a minute to figure out what was going on and walk away from the situation. The internet is still trying to get her fired several days later. Who needs to wise up here, exactly?

The internet is the a$$hole here, definitely. But she is not the wronged party, nor is she a victim.

She may or may not be the victim in the actual event - surely she shouldn’t have touched his phone. But now she’s absolutely a victim of the internet mob.

Yup. I think she shouldn't be, and it sucks, and I hope she isn't fired, but that's a risk you take when you have a hissy in front of a bunch of phones.

I think it’s as or more likely that our director of cinematography decided to film to a push hard for a reaction so I think your order of operations are likely wrong.

Ok.

Please let me know if you have any evidence of that.

In fact, I do. The recording helpfully objectively demonstrates that he had not rented the bike, by the video visual of him with his palm over the scannable code, and by the helpful audio where you hear the unlocking, indicating the rental. Since the recording precedes the actual act of bike rental, it makes rational sense that the group wanted to bully her off of it and the now universal language of recording her shows they wanted to embarrass her into complying. Hope that is helpful.

That, to me, isn't evidence. That's interpreting/speculating on what happened.

I agree that, at the beginning of the video, he hadn't rented the bike. Neither had she. It was an open bike -- it was up for grabs. Sitting on the bike didn't make it her bike. Recording before the bike is rented could easily also have been because they saw that she incorrectly thought that it was her bike because she sat on it and was escalating the situation. She wasn't being "bullied" off the bike.

I get that you see it differently. It's definitely open to interpretation.

So if you have something in your grocery cart and someone takes it and walks away with it and pays for it first, you are totally ok with that? What if they have friends there standing around you and filming your reaction...all good? And if you do react in a frustrated way, you should be nationally criticized on the internet and suspended from your job?

She understands that as a white woman, she is always going to be viewed as the victim in any situation. She knows that white comfort is always prioritized over everything else. She is aware that if she makes a loud enough scene, some white man or a cop will come flying in to “rescue” her.

I know this has become a popular belief, but it's wrong. White women do not actually believe they will be seen as the victim in any situation. I'm a white woman, and my experience is that I am often disbelieved, assumed to be overreaction or "overemotional", or assumed to be manipulating a situation. I am as likely, if not more likely, to be accused of "playing the victim" by white men or other white women in position of power OVER me, as any POC. In my experience, when I have been harmed or treated unfairly, the POC in a position to know are more likely to believe me or protect me than the usually white people in positions of authority.

I have been raped (by a white man) and I was disbelieved by other white men and women.

I have experienced bias and harassment in the work place. Some of the white people I worked with did not believe me. Some believed me but advised me that it was in my best interest not to complain because "nothing would happen."

I have been harassed on the street, many times, by men of all races, and I have been told that it is either my fault (for wearing workout clothes, for being out by myself, for being out after dark), or that I need to just learn to ignore it. I have never had someone express sympathy or concern for me over this harassment.

As a white woman in my 40s, it is my assumption generally that people will not believe or trust the things I say, even when they are the truth and even when I have backing for them -- I have learned to sometimes be manipulative in my personal and professional lives so that people believe that they had my ideas themselves, and therefore trust them to be good. I also have a tendency to overexplain myself when under stress, because I have so much experience being disbelieved or dismissed even when I am correct.

I understand the history of white women using their victim status to endanger black men, and it's an ugly and horrible history. I have consciously made choices in my life to try and avoid doing this in terms of choosing how I position myself or how I might appeal to authority in a situation, so as not to endanger others.

But the idea that I go through life believing that all I need to do is bat my eyelashes and say "help!" and a white man will rush to my defense and attack whomever I point at is false. I don't feel that way and it is not my experience. Rather, my experience is that a white man is as likely to attack me as to help me, that I must be careful in how I present myself and make arguments because I have no expectation that I will be taken at my word, and that many people, including white men and other white women, will assume me to be a poor reporter of even my own emotional state.

Just to give you some insight into how white women think and what we experience. Hope this helps.

+100000

Most white women now have the name "Karen" perpetually circulating in their mind whenever they even think of speaking up about something now. They have been quite effectively silenced

+100000. Now whenever I'm getting horrible service at a store, I just walk away. No, I'm not playing victim, I'm just reporting how I behave these days.

I refuse to play that game. I'm well spoken so I will argue back. I dont care if someone films it because I'd probably start filming them too. Gotta fight fire with fire

I don’t care because I’m a conservative. Only liberals get canceled.

Pretty much. Also if I got "cancelled" i would be loudly and vocally advocating for myself. If you do that, I think you're golden. You cant lay down and try to apolozie and simper because they will just be out for blood. You've got to stand up and assert your right to speech and to be a human.

Like the PA? Because she's on administrative leave and may be fired, and the internet pitchforks are out for her.

There's an argument that she shouldn't have cried, though. You can be assertive in good and bad ways. Reminding people about "white women's tears" isn't one of the good ways.

No, because unlike that lady she's shirked off in silence and gone on leave. What she should be doing is speaking up for herself, maybe agreeing to go on a Fox News show or something, regardless of her politics. Literally anyone who will platform her but not be completely biased, she should be going on. They can only railroad someone who allows themselves to be silent. And more often than not, when someone is actually willing to speak up and out and explain themselves, they gain a massive amount of support from people who are sick of this type of thing. hence the Jordan Neely gofundme situation

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Anonymous wrote:I guess we’ll just have to wait for one side or the other to make a definitive statement about what happened. All we know now is that, after further investigation, the woman was put on leave by her employer.

They had not investigated when she went on leaves, and we don't even know why she's on leave. Frankly, if I were her, I would have requested leave because I would not feel comfortable returning to my workplace where this happened, plus I'd be very stressed and a bit concerned about how it might impact my pregnancy.

I'd love to hear from the guy in the purple sweatshirt and the guy from the hospital who walks up to intervene.

Would also love to hear someone explain or justify the fact that one of these guys tells a pregnant woman "your baby is gonna come out [slur]."

The justification is that they can do whatever they want without censure. Who's gonna stop them?

There is a 55 page thread of people telling white women we need to just walk away from this behavior.
Eff that noise. I’m going to say something each and every time, and I don’t care if someone films me and calls me a Karen.

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Anonymous wrote:Unfortunately, we have seen from Emmett Till in the 60s (his white female accuser admitted to lying) to the recent Central Park birdwatcher (the video proved his white female accuser was lying) how a cry for help can often be used intentionally to minimize accountability, deflect blame, or worse, inflict harm in scenarios where they know their whiteness grants them benefits.

Even if she was right and had the bike first, her cry for help and tears followed by the quick recovery is what concerns people because of the history.

+1 This. Not sure why is so hard for people to understand this.

maybe because you are A) reflexively taking sides against her due to her race and gender and B) implying that due to their race and gender, white women must never even get visibly upset in public, let alone defend themselves.

Many have to teach their sons that even if they are right and an officer is wrong they MUST not ask questions, make any sudden moves, or reach for ID. Why? Because we've witnessed too many innocent being killed due to race and gender.

It may not be right or fair but due to the many documented cases of a cry for help not always being what it seems, some woman may need to change certain behaviors.

I won't be changing my behavior when a group of teens provokes me, harasses me and taunts me.

Are you kidding? I am definitely changing my behavior based on this incident.

If a group of young men had surrounded me, pushed me off a bike, laughed at and berated me, called my unborn baby a slur, etc., last week? I would have done many of the things this woman does. I would have called for help, told them to stop touching me and leave me alone. I probably would gotten upset and frustrated. Everything she does makes perfect sense to me given their behavior. The idea that she is supposed to just absorb their provoking, abusive, harassment is crazy to me.

But now that I see what has happened, if I'm ever in a situation like this, I am just going to run away. Since any emotional reaction to harassment will be seen as "fake white tears," and since historically I have pretty minimal ability to prevent myself from crying or reacting in frustration when people berate and harass me, I view this as my only option. I can't ask for help, I can't defend myself, I can simply get upset, I need to avoid any possible phone cameras. Run. Hide. Never wear identifying clothing in public, and maybe invest in large sunglasses and a brimmed hat to throw on.

Anything else I do is apparently giving permission to doxx me, harass me, and get me fired. I want to keep my job and my privacy, so next time: Run. Hide.

+1. Recently at the store, a group of young black men started taunting me totally unprovoked. They kept yelling “hey karen” (despite me not speaking to them or anyone else or doing anything that could remotely be called “karen” behavior) and mocking my “serious” face and the way I was unloading my grocery cart. I have social anxiety so this was obviously upsetting to me. I didn’t even look at them, much less say anything, knowing someone could start filming and it would be perceived as me doing something wrong in a viral Internet video rather than what it was, which was a group of bored young men making sexist comments at a woman just trying to mind her own business.