Physicians Assistant yelling “HELP ME” while stealing a CitiBike ?

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Anonymous wrote:I guess we’ll just have to wait for one side or the other to make a definitive statement about what happened. All we know now is that, after further investigation, the woman was put on leave by her employer.

They had not investigated when she went on leaves, and we don't even know why she's on leave. Frankly, if I were her, I would have requested leave because I would not feel comfortable returning to my workplace where this happened, plus I'd be very stressed and a bit concerned about how it might impact my pregnancy.

I'd love to hear from the guy in the purple sweatshirt and the guy from the hospital who walks up to intervene.

Would also love to hear someone explain or justify the fact that one of these guys tells a pregnant woman "your baby is gonna come out [slur]."

Awww, they’re just joshing around! No big. Have you heard of Emmett Till? Because it applies here.

To clarify, I am the first PP and this response is not me 👆

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Anonymous wrote:I guess we’ll just have to wait for one side or the other to make a definitive statement about what happened. All we know now is that, after further investigation, the woman was put on leave by her employer.

Again, not an accurate statement. Hm.

We do not know that Bellevue engaged in “further investigation.” If you could link to the proof that there was indeed “further investigation,” that would be wonderful. We do know that many tweets directed at the NY Health & hospitals account with a video clip asked for her to be let go.

You can look at the statements they posted on their Twitter. On May 14 they said they were aware of the incident and it was under review. On May 16, they updated to say that the worker is now on leave, that the incident was disturbing, and that they are committed to ensuring an environment that is free from discrimination.

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5/14: "We have recently become aware of an incident that occurred off campus over the weekend and appears to involve one of our employees. We are sorry this happened and we are reviewing the incident. NYC Health + Hospitals/Bellevue is committed to providing the highest quality of care to all New Yorkers with dignity, cultural sensitivity, and compassion."

5/16: "We are aware of the video involving a health care provider off duty and away form the hospital campus. The incident in the video is disturbing. The provider is currently out on leave pending a review. As a health system we are committed to providing an environment for our patients and staff that is free form discrimination of any kind."

The say she's out on leave, not that she has been placed on leave. Also note that they say the are committed to an environment free of discrimination for both patients AND staff. She's staff. The call the incident disturbing but they specifically don't call her behavior disturbing.

Also, the hospital is no doubt interviewing this woman, the other employee who got involved, and reviewing the video. They also will have people who actually know how bike rentals work since they work there.

It's gonna be cool when the hospital clears her because she didn't do anything wrong, and people on Twitter lose their minds and decide to boycott the hospital or some nonsense.

I hope those boys are pleased with themselves. They did this for a bit of internet fame and a joke. They didn't even monetize it! Idiots, just ruining lives for no reason. Same goes for the internet mob. Idiots.

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Well said. Idiots just ruining lives for no reason.

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Anonymous wrote:JFC people. You don't rent the bike by sitting on it. You rent it through the app. It wasn't her bike, he rented it first fair and square. Was he gallant, sweeping his hat off and saying "why of course, milady, the bike is yours, may I lay my riding cape down on this puddle that you might not soil the tires as you leave?" No. But he was in the right and she was throwing a hissy fit. It was on her to deal with her frustration, recognize that he legitimately rented the bike first, and move on like a grown-ass adult.

He rents it 20 seconds into the video, after she'd already sat on the bike. You might not rent a bike by sitting on it, but it's weird to rent a bike that someone else is sitting on. She had a right to be upset.

Renting a bike someone has sat down on and is preparing to rent is obviously antagonistic. She should have, though, recognized these guys were messing with her because they are immature teens.

The video is 90 second long, and at the end she gets of the bike. So she does, ultimately realize that she is dealign with immature teens and moves on with her life.

What if the thousands of people online who have since called this woman a white supremacist and a liar, claimed she's faking her pregnancy, accused her of bias in her medical practice, and dozens of other absolute insane and unsupported accusations ALSO recognized that these guys are immature teens who were messing with a tired pregnant woman?

Like it took her about a minute to figure out what was going on and walk away from the situation. The internet is still trying to get her fired several days later. Who needs to wise up here, exactly?

The internet is the a$$hole here, definitely. But she is not the wronged party, nor is she a victim.

She may or may not be the victim in the actual event - surely she shouldn’t have touched his phone. But now she’s absolutely a victim of the internet mob.

Yup. I think she shouldn't be, and it sucks, and I hope she isn't fired, but that's a risk you take when you have a hissy in front of a bunch of phones.

I think it’s as or more likely that our director of cinematography decided to film to a push hard for a reaction so I think your order of operations are likely wrong.

Ok.

Please let me know if you have any evidence of that.

In fact, I do. The recording helpfully objectively demonstrates that he had not rented the bike, by the video visual of him with his palm over the scannable code, and by the helpful audio where you hear the unlocking, indicating the rental. Since the recording precedes the actual act of bike rental, it makes rational sense that the group wanted to bully her off of it and the now universal language of recording her shows they wanted to embarrass her into complying. Hope that is helpful.

That, to me, isn't evidence. That's interpreting/speculating on what happened.

I agree that, at the beginning of the video, he hadn't rented the bike. Neither had she. It was an open bike -- it was up for grabs. Sitting on the bike didn't make it her bike. Recording before the bike is rented could easily also have been because they saw that she incorrectly thought that it was her bike because she sat on it and was escalating the situation. She wasn't being "bullied" off the bike.

I get that you see it differently. It's definitely open to interpretation.

So if you have something in your grocery cart and someone takes it and walks away with it and pays for it first, you are totally ok with that? What if they have friends there standing around you and filming your reaction...all good? And if you do react in a frustrated way, you should be nationally criticized on the internet and suspended from your job?

She understands that as a white woman, she is always going to be viewed as the victim in any situation. She knows that white comfort is always prioritized over everything else. She is aware that if she makes a loud enough scene, some white man or a cop will come flying in to “rescue” her.

Yes that’s why those young men are now in jail after harassing her. Because white women are always the victim. And it’s why no one is saying the young man is the victim of an attempted theft.

You and everyone defending her see her as a victim, right? You have come up with 1000 possible scenarios to justify her behavior (calling for help and fake crying.)

Almost no one on this thread is justifying her behavior. For instance, I have not seen a single post saying she was justified in taking the guy's phone. I've seen people explaining that she is taking it because he is using it to rent the bike she is sitting on (as part of the explanation of how we know that the bike is being rented 20 seconds into the video, and not before the video begins). But not justifying her choice to grab the phone.

Many people who disagree with the narrative that she stole the bike or is trying to get these black men in trouble have criticized her demeanor in the video or argued she should have handled it differently. People are not spinning "1000 possible scenarios" -- they are looking at the facts as they are presented in the video we have and noting that the man has not rented the bike at the beginning of the video, that he physically prevents her from renting the bike, that he rents it while she is sitting on it, that he uses his body position and size to force her off the bike, and that he has the support of several friends in this while she is alone. These are not "scenarios" or suppositions -- they are facts. They are what happen.

I don't see her as a victim in the video -- I tend to view the video as two people acting childishly in a dispute over a bike, and I think the man is in a more powerful position (because of his size and the fact that he has backup) than she is. I recognize that their race could be one source of conflict, but don't think it really applies in this situation because there are several other factors at play. I don't think she is viewing her race or her gender as a trump card she can play. I think they are actually limiting factors for her in this situation.

I'm not justifying anything she does, I'm just describing it. She doesn't steal the bike. She doesn't yell at this man who takes the bike or any of his friends. She does not fake cry. She does not try to get anyone to hurt or attack this man or his friends. She walks away at the end.

People, including you, are justifying why she called for help and “cried”. then suddenly she is fine and walks away.

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Anonymous wrote:Unfortunately, we have seen from Emmett Till in the 60s (his white female accuser admitted to lying) to the recent Central Park birdwatcher (the video proved his white female accuser was lying) how a cry for help can often be used intentionally to minimize accountability, deflect blame, or worse, inflict harm in scenarios where they know their whiteness grants them benefits.

Even if she was right and had the bike first, her cry for help and tears followed by the quick recovery is what concerns people because of the history.

+1 This. Not sure why is so hard for people to understand this.

maybe because you are A) reflexively taking sides against her due to her race and gender and B) implying that due to their race and gender, white women must never even get visibly upset in public, let alone defend themselves.

Many have to teach their sons that even if they are right and an officer is wrong they MUST not ask questions, make any sudden moves, or reach for ID. Why? Because we've witnessed too many innocent being killed due to race and gender.

It may not be right or fair but due to the many documented cases of a cry for help not always being what it seems, some woman may need to change certain behaviors.

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Anonymous wrote:Unfortunately, we have seen from Emmett Till in the 60s (his white female accuser admitted to lying) to the recent Central Park birdwatcher (the video proved his white female accuser was lying) how a cry for help can often be used intentionally to minimize accountability, deflect blame, or worse, inflict harm in scenarios where they know their whiteness grants them benefits.

Even if she was right and had the bike first, her cry for help and tears followed by the quick recovery is what concerns people because of the history.

+1 This. Not sure why is so hard for people to understand this.

maybe because you are A) reflexively taking sides against her due to her race and gender and B) implying that due to their race and gender, white women must never even get visibly upset in public, let alone defend themselves.

Many have to teach their sons that even if they are right and an officer is wrong they MUST not ask questions, make any sudden moves, or reach for ID. Why? Because we've witnessed too many innocent being killed due to race and gender.

It may not be right or fair but due to the many documented cases of a cry for help not always being what it seems, some woman may need to change certain behaviors.

I won't be changing my behavior when a group of teens provokes me, harasses me and taunts me.

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Even if she was right and had the bike first, her cry for help and tears followed by the quick recovery is what concerns people because of the history.

+1 This. Not sure why is so hard for people to understand this.

maybe because you are A) reflexively taking sides against her due to her race and gender and B) implying that due to their race and gender, white women must never even get visibly upset in public, let alone defend themselves.

Many have to teach their sons that even if they are right and an officer is wrong they MUST not ask questions, make any sudden moves, or reach for ID. Why? Because we've witnessed too many innocent being killed due to race and gender.

It may not be right or fair but due to the many documented cases of a cry for help not always being what it seems, some woman may need to change certain behaviors.

that’s completely bonkers. women have no right to call for help because police officers sometimes engage in abuse?

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Even if she was right and had the bike first, her cry for help and tears followed by the quick recovery is what concerns people because of the history.

+1 This. Not sure why is so hard for people to understand this.

maybe because you are A) reflexively taking sides against her due to her race and gender and B) implying that due to their race and gender, white women must never even get visibly upset in public, let alone defend themselves.

Many have to teach their sons that even if they are right and an officer is wrong they MUST not ask questions, make any sudden moves, or reach for ID. Why? Because we've witnessed too many innocent being killed due to race and gender.

It may not be right or fair but due to the many documented cases of a cry for help not always being what it seems, some woman may need to change certain behaviors.

WTF?

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Even if she was right and had the bike first, her cry for help and tears followed by the quick recovery is what concerns people because of the history.

+1 This. Not sure why is so hard for people to understand this.

maybe because you are A) reflexively taking sides against her due to her race and gender and B) implying that due to their race and gender, white women must never even get visibly upset in public, let alone defend themselves.

Many have to teach their sons that even if they are right and an officer is wrong they MUST not ask questions, make any sudden moves, or reach for ID. Why? Because we've witnessed too many innocent being killed due to race and gender.

It may not be right or fair but due to the many documented cases of a cry for help not always being what it seems, some woman may need to change certain behaviors.

that’s completely bonkers. women have no right to call for help because police officers sometimes engage in abuse?

Are you always this obstuse?

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Even if she was right and had the bike first, her cry for help and tears followed by the quick recovery is what concerns people because of the history.

+1 This. Not sure why is so hard for people to understand this.

maybe because you are A) reflexively taking sides against her due to her race and gender and B) implying that due to their race and gender, white women must never even get visibly upset in public, let alone defend themselves.

Many have to teach their sons that even if they are right and an officer is wrong they MUST not ask questions, make any sudden moves, or reach for ID. Why? Because we've witnessed too many innocent being killed due to race and gender.

It may not be right or fair but due to the many documented cases of a cry for help not always being what it seems, some woman may need to change certain behaviors.

that’s completely bonkers. women have no right to call for help because police officers sometimes engage in abuse?

Are you always this obstuse?

explain what you’re trying to say then.

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Anonymous wrote:JFC people. You don't rent the bike by sitting on it. You rent it through the app. It wasn't her bike, he rented it first fair and square. Was he gallant, sweeping his hat off and saying "why of course, milady, the bike is yours, may I lay my riding cape down on this puddle that you might not soil the tires as you leave?" No. But he was in the right and she was throwing a hissy fit. It was on her to deal with her frustration, recognize that he legitimately rented the bike first, and move on like a grown-ass adult.

He rents it 20 seconds into the video, after she'd already sat on the bike. You might not rent a bike by sitting on it, but it's weird to rent a bike that someone else is sitting on. She had a right to be upset.

It's not just weird to rent a bike when someone is sitting on it. Depending on who is sitting on the bike at the time, it's a great way to escalate a situation to violence. These guys knew that this woman wouldn't escalate because she was smaller and alone. But if this had been a confrontation with a couple of construction workers or weightlifters? Yeah, these little bullies would have backed down. Or they would have gotten the beating they deserved.

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Even if she was right and had the bike first, her cry for help and tears followed by the quick recovery is what concerns people because of the history.

+1 This. Not sure why is so hard for people to understand this.

maybe because you are A) reflexively taking sides against her due to her race and gender and B) implying that due to their race and gender, white women must never even get visibly upset in public, let alone defend themselves.

Many have to teach their sons that even if they are right and an officer is wrong they MUST not ask questions, make any sudden moves, or reach for ID. Why? Because we've witnessed too many innocent being killed due to race and gender.

It may not be right or fair but due to the many documented cases of a cry for help not always being what it seems, some woman may need to change certain behaviors.

I won't be changing my behavior when a group of teens provokes me, harasses me and taunts me.

Are you kidding? I am definitely changing my behavior based on this incident.

If a group of young men had surrounded me, pushed me off a bike, laughed at and berated me, called my unborn baby a slur, etc., last week? I would have done many of the things this woman does. I would have called for help, told them to stop touching me and leave me alone. I probably would gotten upset and frustrated. Everything she does makes perfect sense to me given their behavior. The idea that she is supposed to just absorb their provoking, abusive, harassment is crazy to me.

But now that I see what has happened, if I'm ever in a situation like this, I am just going to run away. Since any emotional reaction to harassment will be seen as "fake white tears," and since historically I have pretty minimal ability to prevent myself from crying or reacting in frustration when people berate and harass me, I view this as my only option. I can't ask for help, I can't defend myself, I can simply get upset, I need to avoid any possible phone cameras. Run. Hide. Never wear identifying clothing in public, and maybe invest in large sunglasses and a brimmed hat to throw on.

Anything else I do is apparently giving permission to doxx me, harass me, and get me fired. I want to keep my job and my privacy, so next time: Run. Hide.

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Wait, this lady was pregnant? I didnt even watch because I'm so sick of these ridiculous, clipped videos. But how low do you have to be to steal a bike or argue over a bike with a pregnant lady? Or to support that? How low have we fallen as a culture?!

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Anonymous wrote:Why is everything about race? It seems as soon as a white person does anything even slightly wacky, they are accused of being a virulent racist, card carrying member of the KKK. These kinds of arguments/stupid fights are common between ALL people- amongst white people, black people, asian people. But as soon as you have it be between a white person and a black person suddenly the white person is automatically wrong, and, not only that, a disgusting vile hateful person who deserves to be fired from their job and have their life destroyed. It's actually very bizarre and sick. And people are noticing.

I agree. It’s a hyperbolic response that adults shouldn’t entertain.

Most adults dont. You can tell the tide is shifting by how much of a relative non reaction this has had. Compare that to the instant cancelling of the central park dog-walking lady in 2020 (who has now been somewhat vindicated). Or by the fundraising support given to the guy who killed jordan neely vs to jordan neely. I think people are seeing how silly and deliberately divisive these incidences are and learning to simply ignore.

I think this is a bit muddled - the Central Park woman was not cleared, and while I don’t think Neely was murdered in the legal sense, I won’t contribute to Penny’s defense.

This is very different. This is people wanting this woman fired from Bellevue because they are *willfully* ignoring how people access the QR code to rent citibikes, and ignoring what *actually* is shown in the video, which parties use slurs.

That's your opinion which you're entitled to have. The Central Park lady largely was cleared and appeared on Bari Weiss's podcast to talk about what she went through. Anyone in their right mind would say that the guy who choked Jordan Neely, as sad as it was, was doing nothing wrong. Again, people with a brain are starting see through this nonsense, hence why this incident gained barely any traction. The numbers on the respective Jordan Neely gofundmes speak volumes. People are done.

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Anonymous wrote:JFC people. You don't rent the bike by sitting on it. You rent it through the app. It wasn't her bike, he rented it first fair and square. Was he gallant, sweeping his hat off and saying "why of course, milady, the bike is yours, may I lay my riding cape down on this puddle that you might not soil the tires as you leave?" No. But he was in the right and she was throwing a hissy fit. It was on her to deal with her frustration, recognize that he legitimately rented the bike first, and move on like a grown-ass adult.

He rents it 20 seconds into the video, after she'd already sat on the bike. You might not rent a bike by sitting on it, but it's weird to rent a bike that someone else is sitting on. She had a right to be upset.

Renting a bike someone has sat down on and is preparing to rent is obviously antagonistic. She should have, though, recognized these guys were messing with her because they are immature teens.

The video is 90 second long, and at the end she gets of the bike. So she does, ultimately realize that she is dealign with immature teens and moves on with her life.

What if the thousands of people online who have since called this woman a white supremacist and a liar, claimed she's faking her pregnancy, accused her of bias in her medical practice, and dozens of other absolute insane and unsupported accusations ALSO recognized that these guys are immature teens who were messing with a tired pregnant woman?

Like it took her about a minute to figure out what was going on and walk away from the situation. The internet is still trying to get her fired several days later. Who needs to wise up here, exactly?

The internet is the a$$hole here, definitely. But she is not the wronged party, nor is she a victim.

She may or may not be the victim in the actual event - surely she shouldn’t have touched his phone. But now she’s absolutely a victim of the internet mob.

Yup. I think she shouldn't be, and it sucks, and I hope she isn't fired, but that's a risk you take when you have a hissy in front of a bunch of phones.

I think it’s as or more likely that our director of cinematography decided to film to a push hard for a reaction so I think your order of operations are likely wrong.

Ok.

Please let me know if you have any evidence of that.

In fact, I do. The recording helpfully objectively demonstrates that he had not rented the bike, by the video visual of him with his palm over the scannable code, and by the helpful audio where you hear the unlocking, indicating the rental. Since the recording precedes the actual act of bike rental, it makes rational sense that the group wanted to bully her off of it and the now universal language of recording her shows they wanted to embarrass her into complying. Hope that is helpful.

That, to me, isn't evidence. That's interpreting/speculating on what happened.

I agree that, at the beginning of the video, he hadn't rented the bike. Neither had she. It was an open bike -- it was up for grabs. Sitting on the bike didn't make it her bike. Recording before the bike is rented could easily also have been because they saw that she incorrectly thought that it was her bike because she sat on it and was escalating the situation. She wasn't being "bullied" off the bike.

I get that you see it differently. It's definitely open to interpretation.

So if you have something in your grocery cart and someone takes it and walks away with it and pays for it first, you are totally ok with that? What if they have friends there standing around you and filming your reaction...all good? And if you do react in a frustrated way, you should be nationally criticized on the internet and suspended from your job?

She understands that as a white woman, she is always going to be viewed as the victim in any situation. She knows that white comfort is always prioritized over everything else. She is aware that if she makes a loud enough scene, some white man or a cop will come flying in to “rescue” her.

Yes that’s why those young men are now in jail after harassing her. Because white women are always the victim. And it’s why no one is saying the young man is the victim of an attempted theft.

You and everyone defending her see her as a victim, right? You have come up with 1000 possible scenarios to justify her behavior (calling for help and fake crying.)

Almost no one on this thread is justifying her behavior. For instance, I have not seen a single post saying she was justified in taking the guy's phone. I've seen people explaining that she is taking it because he is using it to rent the bike she is sitting on (as part of the explanation of how we know that the bike is being rented 20 seconds into the video, and not before the video begins). But not justifying her choice to grab the phone.

Many people who disagree with the narrative that she stole the bike or is trying to get these black men in trouble have criticized her demeanor in the video or argued she should have handled it differently. People are not spinning "1000 possible scenarios" -- they are looking at the facts as they are presented in the video we have and noting that the man has not rented the bike at the beginning of the video, that he physically prevents her from renting the bike, that he rents it while she is sitting on it, that he uses his body position and size to force her off the bike, and that he has the support of several friends in this while she is alone. These are not "scenarios" or suppositions -- they are facts. They are what happen.

I don't see her as a victim in the video -- I tend to view the video as two people acting childishly in a dispute over a bike, and I think the man is in a more powerful position (because of his size and the fact that he has backup) than she is. I recognize that their race could be one source of conflict, but don't think it really applies in this situation because there are several other factors at play. I don't think she is viewing her race or her gender as a trump card she can play. I think they are actually limiting factors for her in this situation.

I'm not justifying anything she does, I'm just describing it. She doesn't steal the bike. She doesn't yell at this man who takes the bike or any of his friends. She does not fake cry. She does not try to get anyone to hurt or attack this man or his friends. She walks away at the end.

They might not have said that she should've been allowed to take his phone, but there has been a lot of minimizing her taking it. Several posts saying she tried to grab it. She didn't try to grab it. She successfully snatched it out of his hand then returned it when called out on it.

I think what happened, having seen similar situations and fully acknowledging it's speculation, is that he was with friends and they were dawdling while they got the rentals started. I think she was tired and came to the bike stand either not noticing they were in the process of renting a group of bikes OR not caring that they were in the process of it and she hopped on. He said no, it was his, s she wouldn't get off, and they started filming. Neither had officially rented it, but I can see how that could've happened and how she could be seated yet he was there first. I'm not sure we'll ever know what happened unless there are security cameras, but even then people will argue over it.