Physicians Assistant yelling “HELP ME” while stealing a CitiBike ?

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Anonymous wrote:I guess we’ll just have to wait for one side or the other to make a definitive statement about what happened. All we know now is that, after further investigation, the woman was put on leave by her employer.

They had not investigated when she went on leaves, and we don't even know why she's on leave. Frankly, if I were her, I would have requested leave because I would not feel comfortable returning to my workplace where this happened, plus I'd be very stressed and a bit concerned about how it might impact my pregnancy.

I'd love to hear from the guy in the purple sweatshirt and the guy from the hospital who walks up to intervene.

Would also love to hear someone explain or justify the fact that one of these guys tells a pregnant woman "your baby is gonna come out [slur]."

The justification is that they can do whatever they want without censure. Who's gonna stop them?

There is a 55 page thread of people telling white women we need to just walk away from this behavior.
Eff that noise. I’m going to say something each and every time, and I don’t care if someone films me and calls me a Karen.

+1 same. I've actually argued back with people who tried to accuse me of racism before and won. As long as you stay relatively calm, and argue well for yourself, you'll win. The more terrified and scared and hysterical you get, the more you lose. Fight back.

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Anonymous wrote:This lady’s fake crying didn’t do anything to help the rest of us be taken seriously.

Yes. If there's a lesson here, it's to assert yourself without fake crying. Be vocal about exactly what's going on, spell it out in clear words, and make sure all passersby (including the doctor who showed up) hear it. Go ahead and shout for help. But don't put on fake drama. Then there's no ambiguous video with you looking manipulative.

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Anonymous wrote:Unfortunately, we have seen from Emmett Till in the 60s (his white female accuser admitted to lying) to the recent Central Park birdwatcher (the video proved his white female accuser was lying) how a cry for help can often be used intentionally to minimize accountability, deflect blame, or worse, inflict harm in scenarios where they know their whiteness grants them benefits.

Even if she was right and had the bike first, her cry for help and tears followed by the quick recovery is what concerns people because of the history.

+1 This. Not sure why is so hard for people to understand this.

maybe because you are A) reflexively taking sides against her due to her race and gender and B) implying that due to their race and gender, white women must never even get visibly upset in public, let alone defend themselves.

Many have to teach their sons that even if they are right and an officer is wrong they MUST not ask questions, make any sudden moves, or reach for ID. Why? Because we've witnessed too many innocent being killed due to race and gender.

It may not be right or fair but due to the many documented cases of a cry for help not always being what it seems, some woman may need to change certain behaviors.

I won't be changing my behavior when a group of teens provokes me, harasses me and taunts me.

Me neither. And as someone who lives internationally, these clowns would have a very different reaction if they tried that nonsense anywhere in Europe or in Asia. The idea that a person is guilty innately because of the color of their skin is absurd. If anything, both parties are at fault for being immature, though the fact that these men teamed up against a pregnant woman is particularly egregious. That's not the society America is supposed to be. We're SUPPOSED to be a kind, helpful society that would look out for a pregnant woman, not deliberately attempt to mock and humiliate and bully her. But of course, as we can see, the social contract fell long ago in America.

I grew up in a pretty rough neighborhood in Florida. This type of behavior by these four guys would have well led to violence from a lot of people I knew. Especially some of the Cuban guys I grew up with, if they saw these guys harassing their mom on sister.

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Anonymous wrote:Unfortunately, we have seen from Emmett Till in the 60s (his white female accuser admitted to lying) to the recent Central Park birdwatcher (the video proved his white female accuser was lying) how a cry for help can often be used intentionally to minimize accountability, deflect blame, or worse, inflict harm in scenarios where they know their whiteness grants them benefits.

Even if she was right and had the bike first, her cry for help and tears followed by the quick recovery is what concerns people because of the history.

+1 This. Not sure why is so hard for people to understand this.

maybe because you are A) reflexively taking sides against her due to her race and gender and B) implying that due to their race and gender, white women must never even get visibly upset in public, let alone defend themselves.

Many have to teach their sons that even if they are right and an officer is wrong they MUST not ask questions, make any sudden moves, or reach for ID. Why? Because we've witnessed too many innocent being killed due to race and gender.

It may not be right or fair but due to the many documented cases of a cry for help not always being what it seems, some woman may need to change certain behaviors.

I won't be changing my behavior when a group of teens provokes me, harasses me and taunts me.

Are you kidding? I am definitely changing my behavior based on this incident.

If a group of young men had surrounded me, pushed me off a bike, laughed at and berated me, called my unborn baby a slur, etc., last week? I would have done many of the things this woman does. I would have called for help, told them to stop touching me and leave me alone. I probably would gotten upset and frustrated. Everything she does makes perfect sense to me given their behavior. The idea that she is supposed to just absorb their provoking, abusive, harassment is crazy to me.

But now that I see what has happened, if I'm ever in a situation like this, I am just going to run away. Since any emotional reaction to harassment will be seen as "fake white tears," and since historically I have pretty minimal ability to prevent myself from crying or reacting in frustration when people berate and harass me, I view this as my only option. I can't ask for help, I can't defend myself, I can simply get upset, I need to avoid any possible phone cameras. Run. Hide. Never wear identifying clothing in public, and maybe invest in large sunglasses and a brimmed hat to throw on.

Anything else I do is apparently giving permission to doxx me, harass me, and get me fired. I want to keep my job and my privacy, so next time: Run. Hide.

+1. Recently at the store, a group of young black men started taunting me totally unprovoked. They kept yelling “hey karen” (despite me not speaking to them or anyone else or doing anything that could remotely be called “karen” behavior) and mocking my “serious” face and the way I was unloading my grocery cart. I have social anxiety so this was obviously upsetting to me. I didn’t even look at them, much less say anything, knowing someone could start filming and it would be perceived as me doing something wrong in a viral Internet video rather than what it was, which was a group of bored young men making sexist comments at a woman just trying to mind her own business.

I’m genuinely sorry that happened to you. I think it’s just a new version of the perennial problem of young men being idiots (that is to say, these particular young men were boorish idiots and if the “Karen” phenomenon had never happened they would have done something else boorish to you.)

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Anonymous wrote:I guess we’ll just have to wait for one side or the other to make a definitive statement about what happened. All we know now is that, after further investigation, the woman was put on leave by her employer.

They had not investigated when she went on leaves, and we don't even know why she's on leave. Frankly, if I were her, I would have requested leave because I would not feel comfortable returning to my workplace where this happened, plus I'd be very stressed and a bit concerned about how it might impact my pregnancy.

I'd love to hear from the guy in the purple sweatshirt and the guy from the hospital who walks up to intervene.

Would also love to hear someone explain or justify the fact that one of these guys tells a pregnant woman "your baby is gonna come out [slur]."

The justification is that they can do whatever they want without censure. Who's gonna stop them?

There is a 55 page thread of people telling white women we need to just walk away from this behavior.
Eff that noise. I’m going to say something each and every time, and I don’t care if someone films me and calls me a Karen.

Well, no…it’s a 55 page thread with at least half of the responses saying she did absolutely nothing wrong.

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Anonymous wrote:Unfortunately, we have seen from Emmett Till in the 60s (his white female accuser admitted to lying) to the recent Central Park birdwatcher (the video proved his white female accuser was lying) how a cry for help can often be used intentionally to minimize accountability, deflect blame, or worse, inflict harm in scenarios where they know their whiteness grants them benefits.

Even if she was right and had the bike first, her cry for help and tears followed by the quick recovery is what concerns people because of the history.

+1 This. Not sure why is so hard for people to understand this.

maybe because you are A) reflexively taking sides against her due to her race and gender and B) implying that due to their race and gender, white women must never even get visibly upset in public, let alone defend themselves.

Many have to teach their sons that even if they are right and an officer is wrong they MUST not ask questions, make any sudden moves, or reach for ID. Why? Because we've witnessed too many innocent being killed due to race and gender.

It may not be right or fair but due to the many documented cases of a cry for help not always being what it seems, some woman may need to change certain behaviors.

I won't be changing my behavior when a group of teens provokes me, harasses me and taunts me.

Are you kidding? I am definitely changing my behavior based on this incident.

If a group of young men had surrounded me, pushed me off a bike, laughed at and berated me, called my unborn baby a slur, etc., last week? I would have done many of the things this woman does. I would have called for help, told them to stop touching me and leave me alone. I probably would gotten upset and frustrated. Everything she does makes perfect sense to me given their behavior. The idea that she is supposed to just absorb their provoking, abusive, harassment is crazy to me.

But now that I see what has happened, if I'm ever in a situation like this, I am just going to run away. Since any emotional reaction to harassment will be seen as "fake white tears," and since historically I have pretty minimal ability to prevent myself from crying or reacting in frustration when people berate and harass me, I view this as my only option. I can't ask for help, I can't defend myself, I can simply get upset, I need to avoid any possible phone cameras. Run. Hide. Never wear identifying clothing in public, and maybe invest in large sunglasses and a brimmed hat to throw on.

Anything else I do is apparently giving permission to doxx me, harass me, and get me fired. I want to keep my job and my privacy, so next time: Run. Hide.

+1. Recently at the store, a group of young black men started taunting me totally unprovoked. They kept yelling “hey karen” (despite me not speaking to them or anyone else or doing anything that could remotely be called “karen” behavior) and mocking my “serious” face and the way I was unloading my grocery cart. I have social anxiety so this was obviously upsetting to me. I didn’t even look at them, much less say anything, knowing someone could start filming and it would be perceived as me doing something wrong in a viral Internet video rather than what it was, which was a group of bored young men making sexist comments at a woman just trying to mind her own business.

I’m genuinely sorry that happened to you. I think it’s just a new version of the perennial problem of young men being idiots (that is to say, these particular young men were boorish idiots and if the “Karen” phenomenon had never happened they would have done something else boorish to you.)

DP and I disagree that it’s a twist on same old. The possibility of being recorded, shamed and doxxed is real. The possibility of having well-meaning people reflexively assume that something in your affect, expression, tone indicated “superiority” or a racially-tinged “discomfort” is real.

Let’s tell the truth. The damage done to this woman may not be undone, and people tweeting and “writing articles” aka talking sh!t online truly do not care. It’s fun for them, and the circle of people who enjoy this is far broader than young men harassing women.

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Anonymous wrote:JFC people. You don't rent the bike by sitting on it. You rent it through the app. It wasn't her bike, he rented it first fair and square. Was he gallant, sweeping his hat off and saying "why of course, milady, the bike is yours, may I lay my riding cape down on this puddle that you might not soil the tires as you leave?" No. But he was in the right and she was throwing a hissy fit. It was on her to deal with her frustration, recognize that he legitimately rented the bike first, and move on like a grown-ass adult.

He rents it 20 seconds into the video, after she'd already sat on the bike. You might not rent a bike by sitting on it, but it's weird to rent a bike that someone else is sitting on. She had a right to be upset.

It's not just weird to rent a bike when someone is sitting on it. Depending on who is sitting on the bike at the time, it's a great way to escalate a situation to violence. These guys knew that this woman wouldn't escalate because she was smaller and alone. But if this had been a confrontation with a couple of construction workers or weightlifters? Yeah, these little bullies would have backed down. Or they would have gotten the beating they deserved.

Plus the woman was especially vulnerable because she is pregnant, not that this matters in a world that has more sympathy for house pets than human children.

These men know they can summon a witch trial to condemn any woman they choose to target as a "Karen" these days, and were exercising their power over her. This is pretty twisted.

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Anonymous wrote:JFC people. You don't rent the bike by sitting on it. You rent it through the app. It wasn't her bike, he rented it first fair and square. Was he gallant, sweeping his hat off and saying "why of course, milady, the bike is yours, may I lay my riding cape down on this puddle that you might not soil the tires as you leave?" No. But he was in the right and she was throwing a hissy fit. It was on her to deal with her frustration, recognize that he legitimately rented the bike first, and move on like a grown-ass adult.

He rents it 20 seconds into the video, after she'd already sat on the bike. You might not rent a bike by sitting on it, but it's weird to rent a bike that someone else is sitting on. She had a right to be upset.

It's not just weird to rent a bike when someone is sitting on it. Depending on who is sitting on the bike at the time, it's a great way to escalate a situation to violence. These guys knew that this woman wouldn't escalate because she was smaller and alone. But if this had been a confrontation with a couple of construction workers or weightlifters? Yeah, these little bullies would have backed down. Or they would have gotten the beating they deserved.

Plus the woman was especially vulnerable because she is pregnant, not that this matters in a world that has more sympathy for house pets than human children.

These men know they can summon a witch trial to condemn any woman they choose to target as a "Karen" these days, and were exercising their power over her. This is pretty twisted.

The second paragraph rings very true to me. It’s just sick. There is almost nothing to do in defense, because too many people are too eager to call any white woman “Karen” and stick to it no matter what.

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Anonymous wrote:JFC people. You don't rent the bike by sitting on it. You rent it through the app. It wasn't her bike, he rented it first fair and square. Was he gallant, sweeping his hat off and saying "why of course, milady, the bike is yours, may I lay my riding cape down on this puddle that you might not soil the tires as you leave?" No. But he was in the right and she was throwing a hissy fit. It was on her to deal with her frustration, recognize that he legitimately rented the bike first, and move on like a grown-ass adult.

He rents it 20 seconds into the video, after she'd already sat on the bike. You might not rent a bike by sitting on it, but it's weird to rent a bike that someone else is sitting on. She had a right to be upset.

It's not just weird to rent a bike when someone is sitting on it. Depending on who is sitting on the bike at the time, it's a great way to escalate a situation to violence. These guys knew that this woman wouldn't escalate because she was smaller and alone. But if this had been a confrontation with a couple of construction workers or weightlifters? Yeah, these little bullies would have backed down. Or they would have gotten the beating they deserved.

Plus the woman was especially vulnerable because she is pregnant, not that this matters in a world that has more sympathy for house pets than human children.

These men know they can summon a witch trial to condemn any woman they choose to target as a "Karen" these days, and were exercising their power over her. This is pretty twisted.

The second paragraph rings very true to me. It’s just sick. There is almost nothing to do in defense, because too many people are too eager to call any white woman “Karen” and stick to it no matter what.

Classic scapegoating. Nothing unites a fractured society like mutual disdain for women doing something other than being sexy.

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Who are all these people defending her? Her behavior suggests she’s guilty AF.

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Anonymous wrote:Who are all these people defending her? Her behavior suggests she’s guilty AF.

Guilty of what? Being a woman and standing up for herself against a pack of bullies?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:JFC people. You don't rent the bike by sitting on it. You rent it through the app. It wasn't her bike, he rented it first fair and square. Was he gallant, sweeping his hat off and saying "why of course, milady, the bike is yours, may I lay my riding cape down on this puddle that you might not soil the tires as you leave?" No. But he was in the right and she was throwing a hissy fit. It was on her to deal with her frustration, recognize that he legitimately rented the bike first, and move on like a grown-ass adult.

He rents it 20 seconds into the video, after she'd already sat on the bike. You might not rent a bike by sitting on it, but it's weird to rent a bike that someone else is sitting on. She had a right to be upset.

It's not just weird to rent a bike when someone is sitting on it. Depending on who is sitting on the bike at the time, it's a great way to escalate a situation to violence. These guys knew that this woman wouldn't escalate because she was smaller and alone. But if this had been a confrontation with a couple of construction workers or weightlifters? Yeah, these little bullies would have backed down. Or they would have gotten the beating they deserved.

Plus the woman was especially vulnerable because she is pregnant, not that this matters in a world that has more sympathy for house pets than human children.

These men know they can summon a witch trial to condemn any woman they choose to target as a "Karen" these days, and were exercising their power over her. This is pretty twisted.

The second paragraph rings very true to me. It’s just sick. There is almost nothing to do in defense, because too many people are too eager to call any white woman “Karen” and stick to it no matter what.

Classic scapegoating. Nothing unites a fractured society like mutual disdain for women doing something other than being sexy.

But now it’s being done under a scrim of retributive justice even when it’s a total lie.

I made a sarcastic comparison to the boys using a slur as being Emmett Till — and I did so because several people invoked his name to shame this woman. I find that so galling and undignified but it shows the depth of the commitment - people aren’t only enjoying the pile-on, they say they are doing it for a good cause. That’s slightly different, deeper and broader, than scapegoating.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:JFC people. You don't rent the bike by sitting on it. You rent it through the app. It wasn't her bike, he rented it first fair and square. Was he gallant, sweeping his hat off and saying "why of course, milady, the bike is yours, may I lay my riding cape down on this puddle that you might not soil the tires as you leave?" No. But he was in the right and she was throwing a hissy fit. It was on her to deal with her frustration, recognize that he legitimately rented the bike first, and move on like a grown-ass adult.

He rents it 20 seconds into the video, after she'd already sat on the bike. You might not rent a bike by sitting on it, but it's weird to rent a bike that someone else is sitting on. She had a right to be upset.

It's not just weird to rent a bike when someone is sitting on it. Depending on who is sitting on the bike at the time, it's a great way to escalate a situation to violence. These guys knew that this woman wouldn't escalate because she was smaller and alone. But if this had been a confrontation with a couple of construction workers or weightlifters? Yeah, these little bullies would have backed down. Or they would have gotten the beating they deserved.

Plus the woman was especially vulnerable because she is pregnant, not that this matters in a world that has more sympathy for house pets than human children.

These men know they can summon a witch trial to condemn any woman they choose to target as a "Karen" these days, and were exercising their power over her. This is pretty twisted.

The second paragraph rings very true to me. It’s just sick. There is almost nothing to do in defense, because too many people are too eager to call any white woman “Karen” and stick to it no matter what.

Classic scapegoating. Nothing unites a fractured society like mutual disdain for women doing something other than being sexy.

But now it’s being done under a scrim of retributive justice even when it’s a total lie.

I made a sarcastic comparison to the boys using a slur as being Emmett Till — and I did so because several people invoked his name to shame this woman. I find that so galling and undignified but it shows the depth of the commitment - people aren’t only enjoying the pile-on, they say they are doing it for a good cause. That’s slightly different, deeper and broader, than scapegoating.

To really stretch the analogy to an uncomfortable place, the people who lynched Emmett Till and other black men often claimed they were doing it for a good cause as well.

People need to be wary of joining any sort of mob, whether in real life or virtually.

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Anonymous wrote:Who are all these people defending her? Her behavior suggests she’s guilty AF.

Guilty of what? Being a woman and standing up for herself against a pack of bullies?

Fake crying and calling for help because she was on a bike someone else had reserved.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Who are all these people defending her? Her behavior suggests she’s guilty AF.

Guilty of what? Being a woman and standing up for herself against a pack of bullies?

Fake crying and calling for help because she was on a bike someone else had reserved.

Yeah, that didn't happen.