Masks optional by spring break

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Anonymous wrote:Scrolled through as many pages as I could tolerate, and I don't think I saw a comment showing any empathy for the teachers and their family who are in older higher risk groups.

I've spoken to a lot of teachers at publics, daycares, and privates and anecdotally I'd say half are terrified of mask removal. This can't be dismissed.


We've been making school policy based entirely on the feelings of a small segment of the population that is either genuinely high risk or suffers from health anxiety (sometimes a combination). The problem is that there are real downsides to masking (especially the youngest children and those with speech delays and social anxiety). So we need to start making policy based on science, and the science (and I'm talking about randomized studies taking place in the real world, not lab experiments) and the experts are clearly saying that cloth masks do not play a large role in preventing the transmission of COVID.


Cloth masks still reduce over 50% compared to no masks. Most kids in the school are NOT wearing cloth masks now. The science says 1 million people are dead, mainly unvaccinated, or those vaccianted with multiple comorbidites. Protecting the old and vulnerable is admirable in a society.


You're citing lab studies, not studies done in the real world based on real usage of masks which includes a lot of very ill-fitting masks, maskless lunches and many, many masks worn under noses. Citing that 50% number is unbelievably unscientific and anyone that does so loses all credibility. This is what Michael Osterholm, one of the foremost infectious disease experts working on COVID right now, says about masking:

We are well past the emergency phase of this pandemic, and it should be well-known by now that wearing cloth face coverings or surgical masks, universal or otherwise, has a very minor role to play in preventing person-to-person transmission. It is time to stop overselling their efficacy and unrealistic expectations about their ability to end the pandemic.

https://www.cidrap.umn.edu/news-perspective/2021/10/commentary-what-can-masks-do-part-2-what-makes-good-mask-study-and-why-most


LOL it was a real world study https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/71/wr/mm7106e1.htm
https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/71/wr/mm7107a4.htm?s_cid=mm7107a4_w


Oh my gosh, this study is awful. Do you get that people who wear masks are likely to behave differently in other ways than people who do not. Honestly, this is embarrassing for the CDC.


Okay Trumpers maybe you need to settle down and find some other conspiracy that's keeping you down.
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Anonymous wrote:Scrolled through as many pages as I could tolerate, and I don't think I saw a comment showing any empathy for the teachers and their family who are in older higher risk groups.

I've spoken to a lot of teachers at publics, daycares, and privates and anecdotally I'd say half are terrified of mask removal. This can't be dismissed.


We've been making school policy based entirely on the feelings of a small segment of the population that is either genuinely high risk or suffers from health anxiety (sometimes a combination). The problem is that there are real downsides to masking (especially the youngest children and those with speech delays and social anxiety). So we need to start making policy based on science, and the science (and I'm talking about randomized studies taking place in the real world, not lab experiments) and the experts are clearly saying that cloth masks do not play a large role in preventing the transmission of COVID.


Cloth masks still reduce over 50% compared to no masks. Most kids in the school are NOT wearing cloth masks now. The science says 1 million people are dead, mainly unvaccinated, or those vaccianted with multiple comorbidites. Protecting the old and vulnerable is admirable in a society.


You're citing lab studies, not studies done in the real world based on real usage of masks which includes a lot of very ill-fitting masks, maskless lunches and many, many masks worn under noses. Citing that 50% number is unbelievably unscientific and anyone that does so loses all credibility. This is what Michael Osterholm, one of the foremost infectious disease experts working on COVID right now, says about masking:

We are well past the emergency phase of this pandemic, and it should be well-known by now that wearing cloth face coverings or surgical masks, universal or otherwise, has a very minor role to play in preventing person-to-person transmission. It is time to stop overselling their efficacy and unrealistic expectations about their ability to end the pandemic.

https://www.cidrap.umn.edu/news-perspective/2021/10/commentary-what-can-masks-do-part-2-what-makes-good-mask-study-and-why-most


LOL it was a real world study https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/71/wr/mm7106e1.htm
https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/71/wr/mm7107a4.htm?s_cid=mm7107a4_w


Oh my gosh, this study is awful. Do you get that people who wear masks are likely to behave differently in other ways than people who do not. Honestly, this is embarrassing for the CDC.


Okay Trumpers maybe you need to settle down and find some other conspiracy that's keeping you down.


You can call me a Trumper all you want but if you think the results of this study have any value at all, then you are the one who is anti-science. I bet you think Michael Osterholm is a "Trumper" too.
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Here are Michael Osterholm's comments on mask studies from last week's podcast:

"And I still maintain that largely cloth face coverings are nothing more than some type of decorative device. They pose very little protection. Now people will cite studies. In fact, a recent one from CDC suggesting that in fact, cloth face coverings are much more effective. I will tell you across the board we have looked at these studies and there's a commentary on our website about this. Many of these studies were so poorly designed that if one of our graduate students were to have conducted that study, I would have flunked them. And we don't talk about quality of data. Whoever has a pre-printout on some element of something, the media picks it up and it's the gospel truth"
Anonymous
The masks are going to come off. The writing is on the wall. Now who is it that makes that call so it can be done as soon as possible. Elrich? The mcps school board?
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it's 2022. people are still spreading propaganda that masks don't work because they are "over it". For 3300 dead from corona yesterday it certainly wasn't over. And then we wonder why 1 million are dead and the US has some of the worst per capita death statistics of any country and especially developed countries.
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Anonymous wrote:it's 2022. people are still spreading propaganda that masks don't work because they are "over it". For 3300 dead from corona yesterday it certainly wasn't over. And then we wonder why 1 million are dead and the US has some of the worst per capita death statistics of any country and especially developed countries.


The amount of death is absolutely horrific but science (that is conducted properly and shows an understanding of statistics) is not propaganda. Cloth masks do not work and this has been clear for a long time.
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Anonymous wrote:Here are Michael Osterholm's comments on mask studies from last week's podcast:

"And I still maintain that largely cloth face coverings are nothing more than some type of decorative device. They pose very little protection. Now people will cite studies. In fact, a recent one from CDC suggesting that in fact, cloth face coverings are much more effective. I will tell you across the board we have looked at these studies and there's a commentary on our website about this. Many of these studies were so poorly designed that if one of our graduate students were to have conducted that study, I would have flunked them. And we don't talk about quality of data. Whoever has a pre-printout on some element of something, the media picks it up and it's the gospel truth"


Almost no one is wearing cloth coverings. 2nd as the main goal in a pandemic is risk reduction even if by a little, they still are more effective than not masking.
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Anonymous wrote:it's 2022. people are still spreading propaganda that masks don't work because they are "over it". For 3300 dead from corona yesterday it certainly wasn't over. And then we wonder why 1 million are dead and the US has some of the worst per capita death statistics of any country and especially developed countries.


The amount of death is absolutely horrific but science (that is conducted properly and shows an understanding of statistics) is not propaganda. Cloth masks do not work and this has been clear for a long time.


Unless every student and teacher is wearing a cloth mask, what does the science say about higher quality masks? You are misleadingly arguing that cloths masks do nothing therefore all masks are worthless.
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Anonymous wrote:it's 2022. people are still spreading propaganda that masks don't work because they are "over it". For 3300 dead from corona yesterday it certainly wasn't over. And then we wonder why 1 million are dead and the US has some of the worst per capita death statistics of any country and especially developed countries.


The amount of death is absolutely horrific but science (that is conducted properly and shows an understanding of statistics) is not propaganda. Cloth masks do not work and this has been clear for a long time.


oh FFS

"At the outset, I want to make several points crystal clear:

I support the wearing of cloth face coverings (masks) by the general public.
Stop citing CIDRAP and me as grounds to not wear masks, whether mandated or not.
Don't, however, use the wearing of cloth face coverings as an excuse to decrease other crucial, likely more effective, protective steps, like physical distancing......Again, I want to make it very clear that I support the use of cloth face coverings by the general public. I wear one myself on the limited occasions I'm out in public. In areas where face coverings are mandated, I expect the public to follow the mandate and wear them. " - Michael T. Osterholm

https://www.cidrap.umn.edu/news-perspective/2020/07/commentary-my-views-cloth-face-coverings-public-preventing-covid-19
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Anonymous wrote:Scrolled through as many pages as I could tolerate, and I don't think I saw a comment showing any empathy for the teachers and their family who are in older higher risk groups.

I've spoken to a lot of teachers at publics, daycares, and privates and anecdotally I'd say half are terrified of mask removal. This can't be dismissed.


We've been making school policy based entirely on the feelings of a small segment of the population that is either genuinely high risk or suffers from health anxiety (sometimes a combination). The problem is that there are real downsides to masking (especially the youngest children and those with speech delays and social anxiety). So we need to start making policy based on science, and the science (and I'm talking about randomized studies taking place in the real world, not lab experiments) and the experts are clearly saying that cloth masks do not play a large role in preventing the transmission of COVID.


Ok. Fine, make masks optional for young children. What are the real downsides or harms caused by teenagers wearing masks in school?


Thank you for grudgingly agreeing to consider the needs of children with special needs. How incredible generous of you.

What are the downsides for teenagers? Why don't you ask them? Instead of assuming everyone will be happy to cover their noses and mouths all day just to make you FEEL better.


You are the one talking about science. I agree that when community spread is low, we should consider making masks optional for the youngest learners. I have three teenagers and they do not object to wearing masks at school. It doesn't bother them. I am asking you what the science says about harm to teenagers caused by wearing masks at school? I have seen nothing on that.


The science says it doesn't play a major role in preventing the spread of COVID.


Narrator: in fact the science said nothing of the kind. The science pointed to states like Texas and Florida with their tens of thousands dead and shrugged. Those people didn't die from wearing masks, science said.

Then science pointed out which masks are most effective and suggested people wear them.

(Admittedly, according to the disinformation-spreader in this thread, who is doing her "it's for the children" schtick again, all of those Floridians died in motorcycle accidents and car crashes while just happening to have covid, which originated in a black ops lab in Maryland and was deliberately spread by Soros who wants to bring communism to the USA....)

Have you noticed how often this anti-masker pushes the Overton about masks not working? Tries to make the discussion about cloth masks, or young kids who are "suffering?"


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Anonymous wrote:Here are Michael Osterholm's comments on mask studies from last week's podcast:

"And I still maintain that largely cloth face coverings are nothing more than some type of decorative device. They pose very little protection. Now people will cite studies. In fact, a recent one from CDC suggesting that in fact, cloth face coverings are much more effective. I will tell you across the board we have looked at these studies and there's a commentary on our website about this. Many of these studies were so poorly designed that if one of our graduate students were to have conducted that study, I would have flunked them. And we don't talk about quality of data. Whoever has a pre-printout on some element of something, the media picks it up and it's the gospel truth"


Almost no one is wearing cloth coverings. 2nd as the main goal in a pandemic is risk reduction even if by a little, they still are more effective than not masking.


Literally all the children in our preschool are wearing cloth masks to comply with the school's mask mandate which complies with county guidance. I see tons of people wearing cloth masks everywhere I go. Yet the CDC claims they are 50% effective with an embarrassing and poorly conducted study.
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Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:it's 2022. people are still spreading propaganda that masks don't work because they are "over it". For 3300 dead from corona yesterday it certainly wasn't over. And then we wonder why 1 million are dead and the US has some of the worst per capita death statistics of any country and especially developed countries.


The amount of death is absolutely horrific but science (that is conducted properly and shows an understanding of statistics) is not propaganda. Cloth masks do not work and this has been clear for a long time.


Unless every student and teacher is wearing a cloth mask, what does the science say about higher quality masks? You are misleadingly arguing that cloths masks do nothing therefore all masks are worthless.


Deliberately and maliciously arguing that masks don't work because some cloth ones are useless. It's all over right wing media. This is their latest tactic.

They will soon pivot to a "small children don't know how to smile," again.

One of them blasted all the DMV parenting listserves with her nosense.
Anonymous
Many of these anti-science MAGAs wrongly citing Michael Osterholm would have an aneurysm if they saw what he said January 15, 2022

"In the face of the current surge and low pediatric vaccine rates, Osterholm said that the best thing parents can do to keep their children safe and in school during this time is get them vaccinated as soon as possible." - Michael Osterholm
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Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Here are Michael Osterholm's comments on mask studies from last week's podcast:

"And I still maintain that largely cloth face coverings are nothing more than some type of decorative device. They pose very little protection. Now people will cite studies. In fact, a recent one from CDC suggesting that in fact, cloth face coverings are much more effective. I will tell you across the board we have looked at these studies and there's a commentary on our website about this. Many of these studies were so poorly designed that if one of our graduate students were to have conducted that study, I would have flunked them. And we don't talk about quality of data. Whoever has a pre-printout on some element of something, the media picks it up and it's the gospel truth"


Almost no one is wearing cloth coverings. 2nd as the main goal in a pandemic is risk reduction even if by a little, they still are more effective than not masking.


Literally all the children in our preschool are wearing cloth masks to comply with the school's mask mandate which complies with county guidance. I see tons of people wearing cloth masks everywhere I go. Yet the CDC claims they are 50% effective with an embarrassing and poorly conducted study.


How effective a cloth mask is depends a lot upon what kind of cloth, how many layers and if it has a filter.
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Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:it's 2022. people are still spreading propaganda that masks don't work because they are "over it". For 3300 dead from corona yesterday it certainly wasn't over. And then we wonder why 1 million are dead and the US has some of the worst per capita death statistics of any country and especially developed countries.


The amount of death is absolutely horrific but science (that is conducted properly and shows an understanding of statistics) is not propaganda. Cloth masks do not work and this has been clear for a long time.


oh FFS

"At the outset, I want to make several points crystal clear:

I support the wearing of cloth face coverings (masks) by the general public.
Stop citing CIDRAP and me as grounds to not wear masks, whether mandated or not.
Don't, however, use the wearing of cloth face coverings as an excuse to decrease other crucial, likely more effective, protective steps, like physical distancing......Again, I want to make it very clear that I support the use of cloth face coverings by the general public. I wear one myself on the limited occasions I'm out in public. In areas where face coverings are mandated, I expect the public to follow the mandate and wear them. " - Michael T. Osterholm

https://www.cidrap.umn.edu/news-perspective/2020/07/commentary-my-views-cloth-face-coverings-public-preventing-covid-19


This statement is from July of 2020, a few months into the pandemic. As a reminded we are now in 2022, almost two years into the pandemic and with different variants that transmit very differently than what was happening in July of 2020. And you know all this, and posted it any way, which makes you a pathetic, disgusting liar.

Here is what he said on mask mandates from this last week's podcast:

"We have to understand we are living in a very different time than we were two years ago. So where am I at with mask mandates? I think for most instances, they're not doing much. I wish they were. But unless you're wearing high quality respiratory protection that is routinely enforced that we've instructed the public how to do, no more of this 25% of the population wearing it under your nose, if we're not doing that, then we are not probably gaining much at all from a mandate. And we are causing ourselves lots of credibility challenges. So I hope that gives you a sense of where I'm at on this. I would talk about this in all aspects of public health. It's about common sense. It's really about using the power of science, finding that message, telling people what you know, what you don't know, and also understanding where people are at. Because if we don't bring them along with us, we will not be successful in any program that we do to address COVID."



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