Jen Hatmaker

[Anonymous]

So Brandon and Jen's old anniversary is Tina's birthday? That has to sting. I feel bad for all of them that those days are intertwined.

[Anonymous]

As a hyper competitive person with all sorts of nasty, mostly private jealousies, it has to drive Jen absolutely crazy to see Joanna Gaines’ bright, happy face on Magnolia Magazines at check out stations at her nearby grocery store.

The Gaines’ are what the Hatmakers were super thirsty to become.

Problem is they had no HGTV talent.

[Anonymous]

Jen’s older writing about her grandma who owned the furs was so funny- I think it was in one of her Bible studies from back in the early days. Apparently her grandma always looked great even in the nursing home.
All those furs make me think someone had money- was this Jen’s mom?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I’m guessing that she loved that stage of life so much because that’s when they made the most money. Maybe she thinks if she goes back to that content, the money will pour in again. She’s a bit delusional though because that ship has sailed and she’s almost in grandma territory. The world of influencers has changed a lot since 2011. Even for the olds like her who used to shill for Able and similar brands, have all pivoted away from sponsorships towards paid insta accounts and/or Patreon accounts (with a substack thrown in). I’m surprised no one in her sphere has recommended she do this. The mecourse thing is weird. Again, most of the olds will do virtual workshops or in-person workshops in a unique and expensive setting. Her idea of this is some tacky cruise on a ship that looks like it should have been retired 20 years ago. I don’t know who is advising her but they’re not doing it well. I would tell her to say no to the endorsements that don’t fit her brand. She can’t seem to do this and takes all of the crumbs which cheapens her brand and doesn’t give anyone an idea of who she is. She also should evolve her writing. She’s still stuck in the “dear ones”, “beloveds”, “I see you” phase. Move past this. No one writes like this anymore. Write like you’re a 50 year old woman who has experience and wisdom from life. What lessons have you learned from all of that living? That you’re happy you’re adult children don’t sh!& their pants? Maybe dig a little deeper and go beneath the surface and see what’s really there.

This is so true. I really would be interested in hearing some wisdom on what it’s like having grown children and advice on what not to do or what really worked.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Jen’s older writing about her grandma who owned the furs was so funny- I think it was in one of her Bible studies from back in the early days. Apparently her grandma always looked great even in the nursing home.
All those furs make me think someone had money- was this Jen’s mom?

I think she said Grandma King, so likely it was her dad's mom. I'd love to read about that if anyone could post it here or share where to find it. I like her best when she's funny.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:
Jen’s older writing about her grandma who owned the furs was so funny- I think it was in one of her Bible studies from back in the early days. Apparently her grandma always looked great even in the nursing home.
All those furs make me think someone had money- was this Jen’s mom?


I think she said Grandma King, so likely it was her dad's mom. I'd love to read about that if anyone could post it here or share where to find it. I like her best when she's funny.

I think it was in "Ms. Understood: Rebuilding the Feminine Equation." IIRC, in this book, her humor was sarcastic but not bitingly so, and had some warmth. It also showed that she had seriously studied some of the Bible and the stories of certain women in the Old Testament, and was good at teaching about women to a female audience.
This is why many of us are aghast at her current self. It was a projection no one could have predicted, with the uncaring "boyfriend," public criticism of her youngest, relentless selling, and Jesus being a bit player in her life.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
Jen’s older writing about her grandma who owned the furs was so funny- I think it was in one of her Bible studies from back in the early days. Apparently her grandma always looked great even in the nursing home.
All those furs make me think someone had money- was this Jen’s mom?


I think she said Grandma King, so likely it was her dad's mom. I'd love to read about that if anyone could post it here or share where to find it. I like her best when she's funny.

I think it was in "Ms. Understood: Rebuilding the Feminine Equation." IIRC, in this book, her humor was sarcastic but not bitingly so, and had some warmth. It also showed that she had seriously studied some of the Bible and the stories of certain women in the Old Testament, and was good at teaching about women to a female audience.
This is why many of us are aghast at her current self. It was a projection no one could have predicted, with the uncaring "boyfriend," public criticism of her youngest, relentless selling, and Jesus being a bit player in her life.

Bible teaching and the gospel was always just a useful stepping stone for Jen’s advancement. It’s what she was born into and was familiar with so she used it to advance herself. Jen’s “brand” and popularity and the money that resulted was always her real primary goal.

When you view her career over the past several years with this basic understanding everything sort of makes perfect sense.

[Anonymous]

Good point ! She knew the lay of the land.

Sometimes I feel gals like her and her internet besties were Christian to be different as teens and young adults . Now, they are all jettisoning faith or embracing progressive versions of it to distance themselves

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Good point ! She knew the lay of the land.

Sometimes I feel gals like her and her internet besties were Christian to be different as teens and young adults . Now, they are all jettisoning faith or embracing progressive versions of it to distance themselves

Yeah, it is curious that her friend and sibling groups seem to have morphed with her. Nobody seems shocked by her lifestyle, her bragging about sleeping with boyfriend, swearing and vulgar talk, progressive stance, extreme materialism etc - you’d think if they were all “good christian girls” together at one time that someone, somewhere might be appalled by the new Jen - but no one seems to be.

[Anonymous]

Regarding Tylers latest post….young whippersnapper?? umm….

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Regarding Tylers latest post….young whippersnapper?? umm….

Guess he just really wants to distance himself from those old 70+ folks…

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Good point ! She knew the lay of the land.

Sometimes I feel gals like her and her internet besties were Christian to be different as teens and young adults . Now, they are all jettisoning faith or embracing progressive versions of it to distance themselves

Yeah, it is curious that her friend and sibling groups seem to have morphed with her. Nobody seems shocked by her lifestyle, her bragging about sleeping with boyfriend, swearing and vulgar talk, progressive stance, extreme materialism etc - you’d think if they were all “good christian girls” together at one time that someone, somewhere might be appalled by the new Jen - but no one seems to be.

That's because Jen's celebrity Christianity ultimately never really had anything to do with genuine Christianity in the first place and many of the people who glommed onto it were never really interested in the real thing. They were more interested in being cool, feeling good about themselves, having a good time, or having the approval of mainstream culture than they were in following Jesus.

I spent over 10 years in a church plant where a large number of the women were really into Jen Hatmaker, Glennon Doyle, and other pop, progressive Christian celebrities and those women were largely spiritual disasters. Eventually, the church plant failed and the disastrous influence of those women and the voices they listened to, like Jen, were a part of the reason for that failure.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Good point ! She knew the lay of the land.

Sometimes I feel gals like her and her internet besties were Christian to be different as teens and young adults . Now, they are all jettisoning faith or embracing progressive versions of it to distance themselves

Yeah, it is curious that her friend and sibling groups seem to have morphed with her. Nobody seems shocked by her lifestyle, her bragging about sleeping with boyfriend, swearing and vulgar talk, progressive stance, extreme materialism etc - you’d think if they were all “good christian girls” together at one time that someone, somewhere might be appalled by the new Jen - but no one seems to be.

That's because Jen's celebrity Christianity ultimately never really had anything to do with genuine Christianity in the first place and many of the people who glommed onto it were never really interested in the real thing. They were more interested in being cool, feeling good about themselves, having a good time, or having the approval of mainstream culture than they were in following Jesus.

I spent over 10 years in a church plant where a large number of the women were really into Jen Hatmaker, Glennon Doyle, and other pop, progressive Christian celebrities and those women were largely spiritual disasters. Eventually, the church plant failed and the disastrous influence of those women and the voices they listened to, like Jen, were a part of the reason for that failure.

I followed Jen in the beginning. I used some of her early books in studies at my church which makes me almost vomit thinking about now.

Never Glennon who I considered to be a clear toxic narcissist from the get go.

With Jen, though, it was a slower revelation. The Moxie book rubbed me the wrong way big time with the materialistic humble brags it was practically unreadable also it was increasingly evident that she (and her ex) were in it for the fame and money.

Part of me grieves for Jen and also part of me hates what she’s become.

Trust me, though, she doesn’t care. That’s why this little forum is a bit of medicine.

[Anonymous]

Big Sis just discovered kicking anss and taking names guys!!

[Anonymous]

Is the letting go she refers to a breakup with Big Sass?