ECNL moving to school year part 2

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Anonymous wrote:I don’t think this will be a one size fits all approach. I have 3 ECNL clubs in my area and all are taking different approaches to this.

Full change for all players no playing up, will allow some kids to play up depending on coaches decision, will let Aug-Dec players who are grade above play up to stay with school grade team (if they are at the level to make the team).

Its hard because rational people see that kids want to play on teams with other kids that are their grade in school. Age guy wants plastic trophies and doesnt care what his kid would prefer.

Coaches are stuck in the middle. They know that Aug birthdays playing on the team thats their grade in school is the way to go. But the play downers are always looking to ways to cheat by playing their kid down against younger players. Which makes things difficult.

How is being the oldest kid within your age group cheating? So are January birthdays cheating under the current BY?

Next year, Aug Birthdays play on age, or up on age. They can’t play down, so there can’t be play downers cheating anyone. Just accept that you’re wrong and that your kid isn’t good enough to make the team that they want to play on without forcing some one else to play up on age so that your kid can keep spot on team.

They must be trolling or have an agenda. If they are focused on college recruiting for the sake of the August kids, I may listen to their point of view, but accusations of cheating are most likely an indication of an agenda that's faltering.

There's a specific college recruiting category just for August born kids that everyone is unaware of?

Its the mentality of looking for ways to play down vs playing on a team thats a players grade in school.

Think outside of soccer. Who are the parents looking for ways to play their kid down against younger players? If you've ever played a sport in America theres always one or two of these on any team. Also you've probably experienced these kind of players get all the opportunities at first then over time filter right back to the bench or they quit. In football I remember one guy whos parents held him back and he was on steroids for his "allergy". The guy looked like a monster to kids in 7th grade. But by the time he was a junior in hs his hair was falling out and he didnt get much taller which made him shorter than most on the tean. All his parents manipulation of the rules didnt make a difference because mentally even with the steroids he didnt have what it takes.

This is how most play downers end up. Theres usually some kind of snowplow parent that lacks ethics pushing to get their kid whatever advantage possible in the background.

Ok so you don't like biobanding. Many do. You don't have to like the rules but they are the rules. There are no unwritten rules to specifically help you snowplow for your daughter and there won't be. It's over.

They set the rules to not allow playing down (except MLSN). You are reaching in looking for excuses to go from age based to grade based groups. They set a 12 month window to avoid your example ironically.

"When age gaps widen beyond 12 months, the disparity in talent and physical maturity widens considerably. Keeping the grouping within the August 1–July 31 window ensures players compete with and against peers of similar physiological, emotional, and social maturity."

Playing August birthdays on their grade in school team is 100% allowed by the rules.

11v11 = U18/U19 = 8/1/2008 + younger = Senior
11v11 = U18/U19 = 8/1/2008 + younger = Junior
11v11 = U17 = 8/1/2010 + younger = Sophmore
11v11 = U16 = 8/1/2011 + younger = Freshman
11v11 = U15 = 8/1/2012 + younger = 8th grade
11v11 = U14 = 8/1/2013 + younger = 7th grade
11v11 = U13 = 8/1/2014 + younger = 6th grade
9v9 = U12 = 8/1/2015 + younger = 5th grade
9v9 = U11 = 8/1/2016 + younger = 4th grade
7v7 = U10 = 8/1/2017 + younger = 3rd grade
7v7 = U9 = 8/1/2018 + younger = 2nd grade
4v4 = U8 = 8/1/2019 + younger = 1st grade
4v4 = U7 = 8/1/2020 + younger = kindergarten

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"When age gaps widen beyond 12 months, the disparity in talent and physical maturity widens considerably."

Not in the rules same with rae. So Il'l choose to ignore your obituarily made up nonsense.

Idk what your problem is.

Find a club willing to play your daughter up an age group if you believe in playing up. Everybody else gonna do their own thing, case by case.

Not your kid, not your call.

FYI, your made up nonsense to make your DD the oldest and benefit from RAE hasn't fooled anyone.

No problem at all.

100% following the rules as written.

Not your kid, not your call.

Teams could play an 6 year old on U19 age group, still not going to happen.

Fortunately Clubs will make the decision for Aug birthdays looking to play on grade down teams when they offer them a spot on the correct grade B team or grade down B team.

Everyone knows which team parents will choose.

Any proof or more make a wish stuff?

Just not believable around here at all. With competition tougher up an age group, offers would be on average be for better teams on age than up an age group.

You haven't offered anything thing to make grade year happen.

Proof will come when fall rosters are posted and all players are the same graduating year.

I've said this multiple times.

Today that's a prayer, not proof.

Considering thats how things worked with SY Pre-2017 I'd call it more of an advantage bet.

Except you said August kids only played on grade pre-2017. You said never heard of a misaligned kid under the old SY. So then you expect us to believe that these imaginary kids would have gotten second team offers on age? That's the thing about fibbing. Tough to keep your story straight.

I have no idea what you're talking about. I never heard of players playing down Pre-2017. I only heard of players playing up. There wasnt some magic A or B team cutoff in my statement.

You said clubs would offer option of on age B team or up a year B team for the fall for misaligned kids. But then also purport to "know" that clubs under the old SY didn't have kids playing off grade. Which is it? You math is not mathing.

Ahhh now I see what you're getting at.. Never heard of anyone playing down Pre-2017 which implies that nobody chose to play on the grade down B team.

Which means that this false offer that you say existed under the pre SY did not in fact ever exist. But you are hoping or praying it will now, out of thin air. Got it.

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Anonymous wrote:I don’t think this will be a one size fits all approach. I have 3 ECNL clubs in my area and all are taking different approaches to this.

Full change for all players no playing up, will allow some kids to play up depending on coaches decision, will let Aug-Dec players who are grade above play up to stay with school grade team (if they are at the level to make the team).

Its hard because rational people see that kids want to play on teams with other kids that are their grade in school. Age guy wants plastic trophies and doesnt care what his kid would prefer.

Coaches are stuck in the middle. They know that Aug birthdays playing on the team thats their grade in school is the way to go. But the play downers are always looking to ways to cheat by playing their kid down against younger players. Which makes things difficult.

Cheat? You must be trolling.

If you actually read the statements put out by US Soccer, USYS, US Club, Etc everyone said the same thing. The decision to change back from BY to SY is occurring so more players can play on teams with other kids that are the same grade in school. I believe "grade level cohort" was the exact term used. The theory behind the change was that if more players played on a team that is their grade in school it would translate into higher levels of participation.

Once the change fron BY to SY occurs a weird quirk will happen where some Aug birthdays will become "trapped" in the opposite way that players were trapped in BY. But this is easily addressed by playing Aug birthdays on their correct grade in school team because you can always play up if needed.

Seems clear to me that US Soccer, USYS, and US Club think Aug birthdays should play on their correct grade in school team. Not down on a team with players that are all a grade lower in school.

Again for the troll, “more” does not mean “all.” If they wanted ”all” they would have used the word “all.”

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Anonymous wrote:I don’t think this will be a one size fits all approach. I have 3 ECNL clubs in my area and all are taking different approaches to this.

Full change for all players no playing up, will allow some kids to play up depending on coaches decision, will let Aug-Dec players who are grade above play up to stay with school grade team (if they are at the level to make the team).

Its hard because rational people see that kids want to play on teams with other kids that are their grade in school. Age guy wants plastic trophies and doesnt care what his kid would prefer.

Coaches are stuck in the middle. They know that Aug birthdays playing on the team thats their grade in school is the way to go. But the play downers are always looking to ways to cheat by playing their kid down against younger players. Which makes things difficult.

How is being the oldest kid within your age group cheating? So are January birthdays cheating under the current BY?

Next year, Aug Birthdays play on age, or up on age. They can’t play down, so there can’t be play downers cheating anyone. Just accept that you’re wrong and that your kid isn’t good enough to make the team that they want to play on without forcing some one else to play up on age so that your kid can keep spot on team.

They must be trolling or have an agenda. If they are focused on college recruiting for the sake of the August kids, I may listen to their point of view, but accusations of cheating are most likely an indication of an agenda that's faltering.

There's a specific college recruiting category just for August born kids that everyone is unaware of?

Its the mentality of looking for ways to play down vs playing on a team thats a players grade in school.

Think outside of soccer. Who are the parents looking for ways to play their kid down against younger players? If you've ever played a sport in America theres always one or two of these on any team. Also you've probably experienced these kind of players get all the opportunities at first then over time filter right back to the bench or they quit. In football I remember one guy whos parents held him back and he was on steroids for his "allergy". The guy looked like a monster to kids in 7th grade. But by the time he was a junior in hs his hair was falling out and he didnt get much taller which made him shorter than most on the tean. All his parents manipulation of the rules didnt make a difference because mentally even with the steroids he didnt have what it takes.

This is how most play downers end up. Theres usually some kind of snowplow parent that lacks ethics pushing to get their kid whatever advantage possible in the background.

Ok so you don't like biobanding. Many do. You don't have to like the rules but they are the rules. There are no unwritten rules to specifically help you snowplow for your daughter and there won't be. It's over.

They set the rules to not allow playing down (except MLSN). You are reaching in looking for excuses to go from age based to grade based groups. They set a 12 month window to avoid your example ironically.

"When age gaps widen beyond 12 months, the disparity in talent and physical maturity widens considerably. Keeping the grouping within the August 1–July 31 window ensures players compete with and against peers of similar physiological, emotional, and social maturity."

Playing August birthdays on their grade in school team is 100% allowed by the rules.

11v11 = U18/U19 = 8/1/2008 + younger = Senior
11v11 = U18/U19 = 8/1/2008 + younger = Junior
11v11 = U17 = 8/1/2010 + younger = Sophmore
11v11 = U16 = 8/1/2011 + younger = Freshman
11v11 = U15 = 8/1/2012 + younger = 8th grade
11v11 = U14 = 8/1/2013 + younger = 7th grade
11v11 = U13 = 8/1/2014 + younger = 6th grade
9v9 = U12 = 8/1/2015 + younger = 5th grade
9v9 = U11 = 8/1/2016 + younger = 4th grade
7v7 = U10 = 8/1/2017 + younger = 3rd grade
7v7 = U9 = 8/1/2018 + younger = 2nd grade
4v4 = U8 = 8/1/2019 + younger = 1st grade
4v4 = U7 = 8/1/2020 + younger = kindergarten

Should indicates obligation, advice, or expectation (what is right or necessary), while could indicates possibility, capability, or a polite suggestion (what is optional or possible)

"When age gaps widen beyond 12 months, the disparity in talent and physical maturity widens considerably."

Not in the rules same with rae. So Il'l choose to ignore your obituarily made up nonsense.

Idk what your problem is.

Find a club willing to play your daughter up an age group if you believe in playing up. Everybody else gonna do their own thing, case by case.

Not your kid, not your call.

FYI, your made up nonsense to make your DD the oldest and benefit from RAE hasn't fooled anyone.

No problem at all.

100% following the rules as written.

Not your kid, not your call.

Teams could play an 6 year old on U19 age group, still not going to happen.

Fortunately Clubs will make the decision for Aug birthdays looking to play on grade down teams when they offer them a spot on the correct grade B team or grade down B team.

Everyone knows which team parents will choose.

Any proof or more make a wish stuff?

Just not believable around here at all. With competition tougher up an age group, offers would be on average be for better teams on age than up an age group.

You haven't offered anything thing to make grade year happen.

Proof will come when fall rosters are posted and all players are the same graduating year.

I've said this multiple times.

Today that's a prayer, not proof.

Considering thats how things worked with SY Pre-2017 I'd call it more of an advantage bet.

Except you said August kids only played on grade pre-2017. You said never heard of a misaligned kid under the old SY. So then you expect us to believe that these imaginary kids would have gotten second team offers on age? That's the thing about fibbing. Tough to keep your story straight.

I have no idea what you're talking about. I never heard of players playing down Pre-2017. I only heard of players playing up. There wasnt some magic A or B team cutoff in my statement.

You said clubs would offer option of on age B team or up a year B team for the fall for misaligned kids. But then also purport to "know" that clubs under the old SY didn't have kids playing off grade. Which is it? You math is not mathing.

Ahhh now I see what you're getting at.. Never heard of anyone playing down Pre-2017 which implies that nobody chose to play on the grade down B team.

Which means that this false offer that you say existed under the pre SY did not in fact ever exist. But you are hoping or praying it will now, out of thin air. Got it.

Theres no "false offer" being made.

Your kid can choose to play on the B team that's their grade in school or the B team a grade down. If parents weren't so transparent with their greed and ego it wouldnt work every time.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I don’t think this will be a one size fits all approach. I have 3 ECNL clubs in my area and all are taking different approaches to this.

Full change for all players no playing up, will allow some kids to play up depending on coaches decision, will let Aug-Dec players who are grade above play up to stay with school grade team (if they are at the level to make the team).

Its hard because rational people see that kids want to play on teams with other kids that are their grade in school. Age guy wants plastic trophies and doesnt care what his kid would prefer.

Coaches are stuck in the middle. They know that Aug birthdays playing on the team thats their grade in school is the way to go. But the play downers are always looking to ways to cheat by playing their kid down against younger players. Which makes things difficult.

How is being the oldest kid within your age group cheating? So are January birthdays cheating under the current BY?

Next year, Aug Birthdays play on age, or up on age. They can’t play down, so there can’t be play downers cheating anyone. Just accept that you’re wrong and that your kid isn’t good enough to make the team that they want to play on without forcing some one else to play up on age so that your kid can keep spot on team.

They must be trolling or have an agenda. If they are focused on college recruiting for the sake of the August kids, I may listen to their point of view, but accusations of cheating are most likely an indication of an agenda that's faltering.

There's a specific college recruiting category just for August born kids that everyone is unaware of?

Its the mentality of looking for ways to play down vs playing on a team thats a players grade in school.

Think outside of soccer. Who are the parents looking for ways to play their kid down against younger players? If you've ever played a sport in America theres always one or two of these on any team. Also you've probably experienced these kind of players get all the opportunities at first then over time filter right back to the bench or they quit. In football I remember one guy whos parents held him back and he was on steroids for his "allergy". The guy looked like a monster to kids in 7th grade. But by the time he was a junior in hs his hair was falling out and he didnt get much taller which made him shorter than most on the tean. All his parents manipulation of the rules didnt make a difference because mentally even with the steroids he didnt have what it takes.

This is how most play downers end up. Theres usually some kind of snowplow parent that lacks ethics pushing to get their kid whatever advantage possible in the background.

Apples and oranges. SY does not allow kids to play down. They play with age or up a year. It’s very simple. You people complaining about “play downers” and “held backs” are dumb as rocks and bitter. Let go of the childhood trauma and be adults. Your children aren’t going to be recruited if they can’t beat out kids playing on age or up an age.

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Anonymous wrote:I don’t think this will be a one size fits all approach. I have 3 ECNL clubs in my area and all are taking different approaches to this.

Full change for all players no playing up, will allow some kids to play up depending on coaches decision, will let Aug-Dec players who are grade above play up to stay with school grade team (if they are at the level to make the team).

Its hard because rational people see that kids want to play on teams with other kids that are their grade in school. Age guy wants plastic trophies and doesnt care what his kid would prefer.

Coaches are stuck in the middle. They know that Aug birthdays playing on the team thats their grade in school is the way to go. But the play downers are always looking to ways to cheat by playing their kid down against younger players. Which makes things difficult.

Cheat? You must be trolling.

If you actually read the statements put out by US Soccer, USYS, US Club, Etc everyone said the same thing. The decision to change back from BY to SY is occurring so more players can play on teams with other kids that are the same grade in school. I believe "grade level cohort" was the exact term used. The theory behind the change was that if more players played on a team that is their grade in school it would translate into higher levels of participation.

Once the change fron BY to SY occurs a weird quirk will happen where some Aug birthdays will become "trapped" in the opposite way that players were trapped in BY. But this is easily addressed by playing Aug birthdays on their correct grade in school team because you can always play up if needed.

Seems clear to me that US Soccer, USYS, and US Club think Aug birthdays should play on their correct grade in school team. Not down on a team with players that are all a grade lower in school.

Again for the troll, “more” does not mean “all.” If they wanted ”all” they would have used the word “all.”

It was very clear by all sanctioning bodies that they saw value in players play on their grade in. school team.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I don’t think this will be a one size fits all approach. I have 3 ECNL clubs in my area and all are taking different approaches to this.

Full change for all players no playing up, will allow some kids to play up depending on coaches decision, will let Aug-Dec players who are grade above play up to stay with school grade team (if they are at the level to make the team).

Its hard because rational people see that kids want to play on teams with other kids that are their grade in school. Age guy wants plastic trophies and doesnt care what his kid would prefer.

Coaches are stuck in the middle. They know that Aug birthdays playing on the team thats their grade in school is the way to go. But the play downers are always looking to ways to cheat by playing their kid down against younger players. Which makes things difficult.

How is being the oldest kid within your age group cheating? So are January birthdays cheating under the current BY?

Next year, Aug Birthdays play on age, or up on age. They can’t play down, so there can’t be play downers cheating anyone. Just accept that you’re wrong and that your kid isn’t good enough to make the team that they want to play on without forcing some one else to play up on age so that your kid can keep spot on team.

They must be trolling or have an agenda. If they are focused on college recruiting for the sake of the August kids, I may listen to their point of view, but accusations of cheating are most likely an indication of an agenda that's faltering.

There's a specific college recruiting category just for August born kids that everyone is unaware of?

Its the mentality of looking for ways to play down vs playing on a team thats a players grade in school.

Think outside of soccer. Who are the parents looking for ways to play their kid down against younger players? If you've ever played a sport in America theres always one or two of these on any team. Also you've probably experienced these kind of players get all the opportunities at first then over time filter right back to the bench or they quit. In football I remember one guy whos parents held him back and he was on steroids for his "allergy". The guy looked like a monster to kids in 7th grade. But by the time he was a junior in hs his hair was falling out and he didnt get much taller which made him shorter than most on the tean. All his parents manipulation of the rules didnt make a difference because mentally even with the steroids he didnt have what it takes.

This is how most play downers end up. Theres usually some kind of snowplow parent that lacks ethics pushing to get their kid whatever advantage possible in the background.

Apples and oranges. SY does not allow kids to play down. They play with age or up a year. It’s very simple. You people complaining about “play downers” and “held backs” are dumb as rocks and bitter. Let go of the childhood trauma and be adults. Your children aren’t going to be recruited if they can’t beat out kids playing on age or up an age.

Hahaha seems like you're starting to figure out that playing down isn't going to happen for Aug birthdays.

Right around July you'll crack.

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Anonymous wrote:I don’t think this will be a one size fits all approach. I have 3 ECNL clubs in my area and all are taking different approaches to this.

Full change for all players no playing up, will allow some kids to play up depending on coaches decision, will let Aug-Dec players who are grade above play up to stay with school grade team (if they are at the level to make the team).

Its hard because rational people see that kids want to play on teams with other kids that are their grade in school. Age guy wants plastic trophies and doesnt care what his kid would prefer.

Coaches are stuck in the middle. They know that Aug birthdays playing on the team thats their grade in school is the way to go. But the play downers are always looking to ways to cheat by playing their kid down against younger players. Which makes things difficult.

How is being the oldest kid within your age group cheating? So are January birthdays cheating under the current BY?

Next year, Aug Birthdays play on age, or up on age. They can’t play down, so there can’t be play downers cheating anyone. Just accept that you’re wrong and that your kid isn’t good enough to make the team that they want to play on without forcing some one else to play up on age so that your kid can keep spot on team.

They must be trolling or have an agenda. If they are focused on college recruiting for the sake of the August kids, I may listen to their point of view, but accusations of cheating are most likely an indication of an agenda that's faltering.

There's a specific college recruiting category just for August born kids that everyone is unaware of?

Its the mentality of looking for ways to play down vs playing on a team thats a players grade in school.

Think outside of soccer. Who are the parents looking for ways to play their kid down against younger players? If you've ever played a sport in America theres always one or two of these on any team. Also you've probably experienced these kind of players get all the opportunities at first then over time filter right back to the bench or they quit. In football I remember one guy whos parents held him back and he was on steroids for his "allergy". The guy looked like a monster to kids in 7th grade. But by the time he was a junior in hs his hair was falling out and he didnt get much taller which made him shorter than most on the tean. All his parents manipulation of the rules didnt make a difference because mentally even with the steroids he didnt have what it takes.

This is how most play downers end up. Theres usually some kind of snowplow parent that lacks ethics pushing to get their kid whatever advantage possible in the background.

Ok so you don't like biobanding. Many do. You don't have to like the rules but they are the rules. There are no unwritten rules to specifically help you snowplow for your daughter and there won't be. It's over.

They set the rules to not allow playing down (except MLSN). You are reaching in looking for excuses to go from age based to grade based groups. They set a 12 month window to avoid your example ironically.

"When age gaps widen beyond 12 months, the disparity in talent and physical maturity widens considerably. Keeping the grouping within the August 1–July 31 window ensures players compete with and against peers of similar physiological, emotional, and social maturity."

Playing August birthdays on their grade in school team is 100% allowed by the rules.

11v11 = U18/U19 = 8/1/2008 + younger = Senior
11v11 = U18/U19 = 8/1/2008 + younger = Junior
11v11 = U17 = 8/1/2010 + younger = Sophmore
11v11 = U16 = 8/1/2011 + younger = Freshman
11v11 = U15 = 8/1/2012 + younger = 8th grade
11v11 = U14 = 8/1/2013 + younger = 7th grade
11v11 = U13 = 8/1/2014 + younger = 6th grade
9v9 = U12 = 8/1/2015 + younger = 5th grade
9v9 = U11 = 8/1/2016 + younger = 4th grade
7v7 = U10 = 8/1/2017 + younger = 3rd grade
7v7 = U9 = 8/1/2018 + younger = 2nd grade
4v4 = U8 = 8/1/2019 + younger = 1st grade
4v4 = U7 = 8/1/2020 + younger = kindergarten

Should indicates obligation, advice, or expectation (what is right or necessary), while could indicates possibility, capability, or a polite suggestion (what is optional or possible)

"When age gaps widen beyond 12 months, the disparity in talent and physical maturity widens considerably."

Not in the rules same with rae. So Il'l choose to ignore your obituarily made up nonsense.

Idk what your problem is.

Find a club willing to play your daughter up an age group if you believe in playing up. Everybody else gonna do their own thing, case by case.

Not your kid, not your call.

FYI, your made up nonsense to make your DD the oldest and benefit from RAE hasn't fooled anyone.

No problem at all.

100% following the rules as written.

Not your kid, not your call.

Teams could play an 6 year old on U19 age group, still not going to happen.

Fortunately Clubs will make the decision for Aug birthdays looking to play on grade down teams when they offer them a spot on the correct grade B team or grade down B team.

Everyone knows which team parents will choose.

Any proof or more make a wish stuff?

Just not believable around here at all. With competition tougher up an age group, offers would be on average be for better teams on age than up an age group.

You haven't offered anything thing to make grade year happen.

Proof will come when fall rosters are posted and all players are the same graduating year.

I've said this multiple times.

Then shut up already!

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I don’t think this will be a one size fits all approach. I have 3 ECNL clubs in my area and all are taking different approaches to this.

Full change for all players no playing up, will allow some kids to play up depending on coaches decision, will let Aug-Dec players who are grade above play up to stay with school grade team (if they are at the level to make the team).

Its hard because rational people see that kids want to play on teams with other kids that are their grade in school. Age guy wants plastic trophies and doesnt care what his kid would prefer.

Coaches are stuck in the middle. They know that Aug birthdays playing on the team thats their grade in school is the way to go. But the play downers are always looking to ways to cheat by playing their kid down against younger players. Which makes things difficult.

Cheat? You must be trolling.

If you actually read the statements put out by US Soccer, USYS, US Club, Etc everyone said the same thing. The decision to change back from BY to SY is occurring so more players can play on teams with other kids that are the same grade in school. I believe "grade level cohort" was the exact term used. The theory behind the change was that if more players played on a team that is their grade in school it would translate into higher levels of participation.

Once the change fron BY to SY occurs a weird quirk will happen where some Aug birthdays will become "trapped" in the opposite way that players were trapped in BY. But this is easily addressed by playing Aug birthdays on their correct grade in school team because you can always play up if needed.

Seems clear to me that US Soccer, USYS, and US Club think Aug birthdays should play on their correct grade in school team. Not down on a team with players that are all a grade lower in school.

Again for the troll, “more” does not mean “all.” If they wanted ”all” they would have used the word “all.”

It was very clear by all sanctioning bodies that they saw value in players play on their grade in. school team.

Stupid.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I don’t think this will be a one size fits all approach. I have 3 ECNL clubs in my area and all are taking different approaches to this.

Full change for all players no playing up, will allow some kids to play up depending on coaches decision, will let Aug-Dec players who are grade above play up to stay with school grade team (if they are at the level to make the team).

Its hard because rational people see that kids want to play on teams with other kids that are their grade in school. Age guy wants plastic trophies and doesnt care what his kid would prefer.

Coaches are stuck in the middle. They know that Aug birthdays playing on the team thats their grade in school is the way to go. But the play downers are always looking to ways to cheat by playing their kid down against younger players. Which makes things difficult.

How is being the oldest kid within your age group cheating? So are January birthdays cheating under the current BY?

Next year, Aug Birthdays play on age, or up on age. They can’t play down, so there can’t be play downers cheating anyone. Just accept that you’re wrong and that your kid isn’t good enough to make the team that they want to play on without forcing some one else to play up on age so that your kid can keep spot on team.

They must be trolling or have an agenda. If they are focused on college recruiting for the sake of the August kids, I may listen to their point of view, but accusations of cheating are most likely an indication of an agenda that's faltering.

There's a specific college recruiting category just for August born kids that everyone is unaware of?

Its the mentality of looking for ways to play down vs playing on a team thats a players grade in school.

Think outside of soccer. Who are the parents looking for ways to play their kid down against younger players? If you've ever played a sport in America theres always one or two of these on any team. Also you've probably experienced these kind of players get all the opportunities at first then over time filter right back to the bench or they quit. In football I remember one guy whos parents held him back and he was on steroids for his "allergy". The guy looked like a monster to kids in 7th grade. But by the time he was a junior in hs his hair was falling out and he didnt get much taller which made him shorter than most on the tean. All his parents manipulation of the rules didnt make a difference because mentally even with the steroids he didnt have what it takes.

This is how most play downers end up. Theres usually some kind of snowplow parent that lacks ethics pushing to get their kid whatever advantage possible in the background.

Apples and oranges. SY does not allow kids to play down. They play with age or up a year. It’s very simple. You people complaining about “play downers” and “held backs” are dumb as rocks and bitter. Let go of the childhood trauma and be adults. Your children aren’t going to be recruited if they can’t beat out kids playing on age or up an age.

Hahaha seems like you're starting to figure out that playing down isn't going to happen for Aug birthdays.

Right around July you'll crack.

Dumb.

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Anonymous wrote:I don’t think this will be a one size fits all approach. I have 3 ECNL clubs in my area and all are taking different approaches to this.

Full change for all players no playing up, will allow some kids to play up depending on coaches decision, will let Aug-Dec players who are grade above play up to stay with school grade team (if they are at the level to make the team).

Its hard because rational people see that kids want to play on teams with other kids that are their grade in school. Age guy wants plastic trophies and doesnt care what his kid would prefer.

Coaches are stuck in the middle. They know that Aug birthdays playing on the team thats their grade in school is the way to go. But the play downers are always looking to ways to cheat by playing their kid down against younger players. Which makes things difficult.

How is being the oldest kid within your age group cheating? So are January birthdays cheating under the current BY?

Next year, Aug Birthdays play on age, or up on age. They can’t play down, so there can’t be play downers cheating anyone. Just accept that you’re wrong and that your kid isn’t good enough to make the team that they want to play on without forcing some one else to play up on age so that your kid can keep spot on team.

They must be trolling or have an agenda. If they are focused on college recruiting for the sake of the August kids, I may listen to their point of view, but accusations of cheating are most likely an indication of an agenda that's faltering.

There's a specific college recruiting category just for August born kids that everyone is unaware of?

Its the mentality of looking for ways to play down vs playing on a team thats a players grade in school.

Think outside of soccer. Who are the parents looking for ways to play their kid down against younger players? If you've ever played a sport in America theres always one or two of these on any team. Also you've probably experienced these kind of players get all the opportunities at first then over time filter right back to the bench or they quit. In football I remember one guy whos parents held him back and he was on steroids for his "allergy". The guy looked like a monster to kids in 7th grade. But by the time he was a junior in hs his hair was falling out and he didnt get much taller which made him shorter than most on the tean. All his parents manipulation of the rules didnt make a difference because mentally even with the steroids he didnt have what it takes.

This is how most play downers end up. Theres usually some kind of snowplow parent that lacks ethics pushing to get their kid whatever advantage possible in the background.

Ok so you don't like biobanding. Many do. You don't have to like the rules but they are the rules. There are no unwritten rules to specifically help you snowplow for your daughter and there won't be. It's over.

They set the rules to not allow playing down (except MLSN). You are reaching in looking for excuses to go from age based to grade based groups. They set a 12 month window to avoid your example ironically.

"When age gaps widen beyond 12 months, the disparity in talent and physical maturity widens considerably. Keeping the grouping within the August 1–July 31 window ensures players compete with and against peers of similar physiological, emotional, and social maturity."

Playing August birthdays on their grade in school team is 100% allowed by the rules.

11v11 = U18/U19 = 8/1/2008 + younger = Senior
11v11 = U18/U19 = 8/1/2008 + younger = Junior
11v11 = U17 = 8/1/2010 + younger = Sophmore
11v11 = U16 = 8/1/2011 + younger = Freshman
11v11 = U15 = 8/1/2012 + younger = 8th grade
11v11 = U14 = 8/1/2013 + younger = 7th grade
11v11 = U13 = 8/1/2014 + younger = 6th grade
9v9 = U12 = 8/1/2015 + younger = 5th grade
9v9 = U11 = 8/1/2016 + younger = 4th grade
7v7 = U10 = 8/1/2017 + younger = 3rd grade
7v7 = U9 = 8/1/2018 + younger = 2nd grade
4v4 = U8 = 8/1/2019 + younger = 1st grade
4v4 = U7 = 8/1/2020 + younger = kindergarten

Should indicates obligation, advice, or expectation (what is right or necessary), while could indicates possibility, capability, or a polite suggestion (what is optional or possible)

"When age gaps widen beyond 12 months, the disparity in talent and physical maturity widens considerably."

Not in the rules same with rae. So Il'l choose to ignore your obituarily made up nonsense.

Idk what your problem is.

Find a club willing to play your daughter up an age group if you believe in playing up. Everybody else gonna do their own thing, case by case.

Not your kid, not your call.

FYI, your made up nonsense to make your DD the oldest and benefit from RAE hasn't fooled anyone.

No problem at all.

100% following the rules as written.

Not your kid, not your call.

Teams could play an 6 year old on U19 age group, still not going to happen.

Fortunately Clubs will make the decision for Aug birthdays looking to play on grade down teams when they offer them a spot on the correct grade B team or grade down B team.

Everyone knows which team parents will choose.

Any proof or more make a wish stuff?

Just not believable around here at all. With competition tougher up an age group, offers would be on average be for better teams on age than up an age group.

You haven't offered anything thing to make grade year happen.

Proof will come when fall rosters are posted and all players are the same graduating year.

I've said this multiple times.

Today that's a prayer, not proof.

Considering thats how things worked with SY Pre-2017 I'd call it more of an advantage bet.

Except you said August kids only played on grade pre-2017. You said never heard of a misaligned kid under the old SY. So then you expect us to believe that these imaginary kids would have gotten second team offers on age? That's the thing about fibbing. Tough to keep your story straight.

I have no idea what you're talking about. I never heard of players playing down Pre-2017. I only heard of players playing up. There wasnt some magic A or B team cutoff in my statement.

You said clubs would offer option of on age B team or up a year B team for the fall for misaligned kids. But then also purport to "know" that clubs under the old SY didn't have kids playing off grade. Which is it? You math is not mathing.

Ahhh now I see what you're getting at.. Never heard of anyone playing down Pre-2017 which implies that nobody chose to play on the grade down B team.

Which means that this false offer that you say existed under the pre SY did not in fact ever exist. But you are hoping or praying it will now, out of thin air. Got it.

Theres no "false offer" being made.

Your kid can choose to play on the B team that's their grade in school or the B team a grade down. If parents weren't so transparent with their greed and ego it wouldnt work every time.

So you can't verify any split year offer was every made. Got it.

Players don't pick age groups like choosing apples at the store. Too ridiculous.

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Anonymous wrote:I don’t think this will be a one size fits all approach. I have 3 ECNL clubs in my area and all are taking different approaches to this.

Full change for all players no playing up, will allow some kids to play up depending on coaches decision, will let Aug-Dec players who are grade above play up to stay with school grade team (if they are at the level to make the team).

Its hard because rational people see that kids want to play on teams with other kids that are their grade in school. Age guy wants plastic trophies and doesnt care what his kid would prefer.

Coaches are stuck in the middle. They know that Aug birthdays playing on the team thats their grade in school is the way to go. But the play downers are always looking to ways to cheat by playing their kid down against younger players. Which makes things difficult.

How is being the oldest kid within your age group cheating? So are January birthdays cheating under the current BY?

Next year, Aug Birthdays play on age, or up on age. They can’t play down, so there can’t be play downers cheating anyone. Just accept that you’re wrong and that your kid isn’t good enough to make the team that they want to play on without forcing some one else to play up on age so that your kid can keep spot on team.

They must be trolling or have an agenda. If they are focused on college recruiting for the sake of the August kids, I may listen to their point of view, but accusations of cheating are most likely an indication of an agenda that's faltering.

There's a specific college recruiting category just for August born kids that everyone is unaware of?

Its the mentality of looking for ways to play down vs playing on a team thats a players grade in school.

Think outside of soccer. Who are the parents looking for ways to play their kid down against younger players? If you've ever played a sport in America theres always one or two of these on any team. Also you've probably experienced these kind of players get all the opportunities at first then over time filter right back to the bench or they quit. In football I remember one guy whos parents held him back and he was on steroids for his "allergy". The guy looked like a monster to kids in 7th grade. But by the time he was a junior in hs his hair was falling out and he didnt get much taller which made him shorter than most on the tean. All his parents manipulation of the rules didnt make a difference because mentally even with the steroids he didnt have what it takes.

This is how most play downers end up. Theres usually some kind of snowplow parent that lacks ethics pushing to get their kid whatever advantage possible in the background.

Ok so you don't like biobanding. Many do. You don't have to like the rules but they are the rules. There are no unwritten rules to specifically help you snowplow for your daughter and there won't be. It's over.

They set the rules to not allow playing down (except MLSN). You are reaching in looking for excuses to go from age based to grade based groups. They set a 12 month window to avoid your example ironically.

"When age gaps widen beyond 12 months, the disparity in talent and physical maturity widens considerably. Keeping the grouping within the August 1–July 31 window ensures players compete with and against peers of similar physiological, emotional, and social maturity."

Playing August birthdays on their grade in school team is 100% allowed by the rules.

11v11 = U18/U19 = 8/1/2008 + younger = Senior
11v11 = U18/U19 = 8/1/2008 + younger = Junior
11v11 = U17 = 8/1/2010 + younger = Sophmore
11v11 = U16 = 8/1/2011 + younger = Freshman
11v11 = U15 = 8/1/2012 + younger = 8th grade
11v11 = U14 = 8/1/2013 + younger = 7th grade
11v11 = U13 = 8/1/2014 + younger = 6th grade
9v9 = U12 = 8/1/2015 + younger = 5th grade
9v9 = U11 = 8/1/2016 + younger = 4th grade
7v7 = U10 = 8/1/2017 + younger = 3rd grade
7v7 = U9 = 8/1/2018 + younger = 2nd grade
4v4 = U8 = 8/1/2019 + younger = 1st grade
4v4 = U7 = 8/1/2020 + younger = kindergarten

Should indicates obligation, advice, or expectation (what is right or necessary), while could indicates possibility, capability, or a polite suggestion (what is optional or possible)

"When age gaps widen beyond 12 months, the disparity in talent and physical maturity widens considerably."

Not in the rules same with rae. So Il'l choose to ignore your obituarily made up nonsense.

Idk what your problem is.

Find a club willing to play your daughter up an age group if you believe in playing up. Everybody else gonna do their own thing, case by case.

Not your kid, not your call.

FYI, your made up nonsense to make your DD the oldest and benefit from RAE hasn't fooled anyone.

No problem at all.

100% following the rules as written.

Not your kid, not your call.

Teams could play an 6 year old on U19 age group, still not going to happen.

Fortunately Clubs will make the decision for Aug birthdays looking to play on grade down teams when they offer them a spot on the correct grade B team or grade down B team.

Everyone knows which team parents will choose.

Any proof or more make a wish stuff?

Just not believable around here at all. With competition tougher up an age group, offers would be on average be for better teams on age than up an age group.

You haven't offered anything thing to make grade year happen.

Proof will come when fall rosters are posted and all players are the same graduating year.

I've said this multiple times.

Then shut up already!

No I think I'll keep making you go crazy.

Heres an updated Matrix for next fall with all the info parents need.

11v11 = U18/U19 = 8/1/2008 + younger = Senior
11v11 = U18/U19 = 8/1/2008 + younger = Junior
11v11 = U17 = 8/1/2010 + younger = Sophmore
11v11 = U16 = 8/1/2011 + younger = Freshman
11v11 = U15 = 8/1/2012 + younger = 8th grade
11v11 = U14 = 8/1/2013 + younger = 7th grade
11v11 = U13 = 8/1/2014 + younger = 6th grade
9v9 = U12 = 8/1/2015 + younger = 5th grade
9v9 = U11 = 8/1/2016 + younger = 4th grade
7v7 = U10 = 8/1/2017 + younger = 3rd grade
7v7 = U9 = 8/1/2018 + younger = 2nd grade
4v4 = U8 = 8/1/2019 + younger = 1st grade
4v4 = U7 = 8/1/2020 + younger = kindergarten

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Anonymous wrote:I don’t think this will be a one size fits all approach. I have 3 ECNL clubs in my area and all are taking different approaches to this.

Full change for all players no playing up, will allow some kids to play up depending on coaches decision, will let Aug-Dec players who are grade above play up to stay with school grade team (if they are at the level to make the team).

Its hard because rational people see that kids want to play on teams with other kids that are their grade in school. Age guy wants plastic trophies and doesnt care what his kid would prefer.

Coaches are stuck in the middle. They know that Aug birthdays playing on the team thats their grade in school is the way to go. But the play downers are always looking to ways to cheat by playing their kid down against younger players. Which makes things difficult.

How is being the oldest kid within your age group cheating? So are January birthdays cheating under the current BY?

Next year, Aug Birthdays play on age, or up on age. They can’t play down, so there can’t be play downers cheating anyone. Just accept that you’re wrong and that your kid isn’t good enough to make the team that they want to play on without forcing some one else to play up on age so that your kid can keep spot on team.

They must be trolling or have an agenda. If they are focused on college recruiting for the sake of the August kids, I may listen to their point of view, but accusations of cheating are most likely an indication of an agenda that's faltering.

There's a specific college recruiting category just for August born kids that everyone is unaware of?

Its the mentality of looking for ways to play down vs playing on a team thats a players grade in school.

Think outside of soccer. Who are the parents looking for ways to play their kid down against younger players? If you've ever played a sport in America theres always one or two of these on any team. Also you've probably experienced these kind of players get all the opportunities at first then over time filter right back to the bench or they quit. In football I remember one guy whos parents held him back and he was on steroids for his "allergy". The guy looked like a monster to kids in 7th grade. But by the time he was a junior in hs his hair was falling out and he didnt get much taller which made him shorter than most on the tean. All his parents manipulation of the rules didnt make a difference because mentally even with the steroids he didnt have what it takes.

This is how most play downers end up. Theres usually some kind of snowplow parent that lacks ethics pushing to get their kid whatever advantage possible in the background.

Apples and oranges. SY does not allow kids to play down. They play with age or up a year. It’s very simple. You people complaining about “play downers” and “held backs” are dumb as rocks and bitter. Let go of the childhood trauma and be adults. Your children aren’t going to be recruited if they can’t beat out kids playing on age or up an age.

Hahaha seems like you're starting to figure out that playing down isn't going to happen for Aug birthdays.

Right around July you'll crack.

Nobody every thought playing down was allowed in the age groups other than biobanding for MLSN1.

You can make up meanings for words like a 6 year old but the adults aren't going to play along with the childishness.

It's 8/1 to 7/31. Playing down not allowed in ECNL, playing up limited to best around here.

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Anonymous wrote:I don’t think this will be a one size fits all approach. I have 3 ECNL clubs in my area and all are taking different approaches to this.

Full change for all players no playing up, will allow some kids to play up depending on coaches decision, will let Aug-Dec players who are grade above play up to stay with school grade team (if they are at the level to make the team).

Its hard because rational people see that kids want to play on teams with other kids that are their grade in school. Age guy wants plastic trophies and doesnt care what his kid would prefer.

Coaches are stuck in the middle. They know that Aug birthdays playing on the team thats their grade in school is the way to go. But the play downers are always looking to ways to cheat by playing their kid down against younger players. Which makes things difficult.

How is being the oldest kid within your age group cheating? So are January birthdays cheating under the current BY?

Next year, Aug Birthdays play on age, or up on age. They can’t play down, so there can’t be play downers cheating anyone. Just accept that you’re wrong and that your kid isn’t good enough to make the team that they want to play on without forcing some one else to play up on age so that your kid can keep spot on team.

They must be trolling or have an agenda. If they are focused on college recruiting for the sake of the August kids, I may listen to their point of view, but accusations of cheating are most likely an indication of an agenda that's faltering.

There's a specific college recruiting category just for August born kids that everyone is unaware of?

Its the mentality of looking for ways to play down vs playing on a team thats a players grade in school.

Think outside of soccer. Who are the parents looking for ways to play their kid down against younger players? If you've ever played a sport in America theres always one or two of these on any team. Also you've probably experienced these kind of players get all the opportunities at first then over time filter right back to the bench or they quit. In football I remember one guy whos parents held him back and he was on steroids for his "allergy". The guy looked like a monster to kids in 7th grade. But by the time he was a junior in hs his hair was falling out and he didnt get much taller which made him shorter than most on the tean. All his parents manipulation of the rules didnt make a difference because mentally even with the steroids he didnt have what it takes.

This is how most play downers end up. Theres usually some kind of snowplow parent that lacks ethics pushing to get their kid whatever advantage possible in the background.

Ok so you don't like biobanding. Many do. You don't have to like the rules but they are the rules. There are no unwritten rules to specifically help you snowplow for your daughter and there won't be. It's over.

They set the rules to not allow playing down (except MLSN). You are reaching in looking for excuses to go from age based to grade based groups. They set a 12 month window to avoid your example ironically.

"When age gaps widen beyond 12 months, the disparity in talent and physical maturity widens considerably. Keeping the grouping within the August 1–July 31 window ensures players compete with and against peers of similar physiological, emotional, and social maturity."

Playing August birthdays on their grade in school team is 100% allowed by the rules.

11v11 = U18/U19 = 8/1/2008 + younger = Senior
11v11 = U18/U19 = 8/1/2008 + younger = Junior
11v11 = U17 = 8/1/2010 + younger = Sophmore
11v11 = U16 = 8/1/2011 + younger = Freshman
11v11 = U15 = 8/1/2012 + younger = 8th grade
11v11 = U14 = 8/1/2013 + younger = 7th grade
11v11 = U13 = 8/1/2014 + younger = 6th grade
9v9 = U12 = 8/1/2015 + younger = 5th grade
9v9 = U11 = 8/1/2016 + younger = 4th grade
7v7 = U10 = 8/1/2017 + younger = 3rd grade
7v7 = U9 = 8/1/2018 + younger = 2nd grade
4v4 = U8 = 8/1/2019 + younger = 1st grade
4v4 = U7 = 8/1/2020 + younger = kindergarten

Should indicates obligation, advice, or expectation (what is right or necessary), while could indicates possibility, capability, or a polite suggestion (what is optional or possible)

"When age gaps widen beyond 12 months, the disparity in talent and physical maturity widens considerably."

Not in the rules same with rae. So Il'l choose to ignore your obituarily made up nonsense.

Idk what your problem is.

Find a club willing to play your daughter up an age group if you believe in playing up. Everybody else gonna do their own thing, case by case.

Not your kid, not your call.

FYI, your made up nonsense to make your DD the oldest and benefit from RAE hasn't fooled anyone.

No problem at all.

100% following the rules as written.

Not your kid, not your call.

Teams could play an 6 year old on U19 age group, still not going to happen.

Fortunately Clubs will make the decision for Aug birthdays looking to play on grade down teams when they offer them a spot on the correct grade B team or grade down B team.

Everyone knows which team parents will choose.

Any proof or more make a wish stuff?

Just not believable around here at all. With competition tougher up an age group, offers would be on average be for better teams on age than up an age group.

You haven't offered anything thing to make grade year happen.

Proof will come when fall rosters are posted and all players are the same graduating year.

I've said this multiple times.

Then shut up already!

No I think I'll keep making you go crazy.

Heres an updated Matrix for next fall with all the info parents need.

11v11 = U18/U19 = 8/1/2008 + younger = Senior
11v11 = U18/U19 = 8/1/2008 + younger = Junior
11v11 = U17 = 8/1/2010 + younger = Sophmore
11v11 = U16 = 8/1/2011 + younger = Freshman
11v11 = U15 = 8/1/2012 + younger = 8th grade
11v11 = U14 = 8/1/2013 + younger = 7th grade
11v11 = U13 = 8/1/2014 + younger = 6th grade
9v9 = U12 = 8/1/2015 + younger = 5th grade
9v9 = U11 = 8/1/2016 + younger = 4th grade
7v7 = U10 = 8/1/2017 + younger = 3rd grade
7v7 = U9 = 8/1/2018 + younger = 2nd grade
4v4 = U8 = 8/1/2019 + younger = 1st grade
4v4 = U7 = 8/1/2020 + younger = kindergarten

Reposting incorrect info doesn't help your cause.

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Anonymous wrote:I don’t think this will be a one size fits all approach. I have 3 ECNL clubs in my area and all are taking different approaches to this.

Full change for all players no playing up, will allow some kids to play up depending on coaches decision, will let Aug-Dec players who are grade above play up to stay with school grade team (if they are at the level to make the team).

Its hard because rational people see that kids want to play on teams with other kids that are their grade in school. Age guy wants plastic trophies and doesnt care what his kid would prefer.

Coaches are stuck in the middle. They know that Aug birthdays playing on the team thats their grade in school is the way to go. But the play downers are always looking to ways to cheat by playing their kid down against younger players. Which makes things difficult.

How is being the oldest kid within your age group cheating? So are January birthdays cheating under the current BY?

Next year, Aug Birthdays play on age, or up on age. They can’t play down, so there can’t be play downers cheating anyone. Just accept that you’re wrong and that your kid isn’t good enough to make the team that they want to play on without forcing some one else to play up on age so that your kid can keep spot on team.

They must be trolling or have an agenda. If they are focused on college recruiting for the sake of the August kids, I may listen to their point of view, but accusations of cheating are most likely an indication of an agenda that's faltering.

There's a specific college recruiting category just for August born kids that everyone is unaware of?

Its the mentality of looking for ways to play down vs playing on a team thats a players grade in school.

Think outside of soccer. Who are the parents looking for ways to play their kid down against younger players? If you've ever played a sport in America theres always one or two of these on any team. Also you've probably experienced these kind of players get all the opportunities at first then over time filter right back to the bench or they quit. In football I remember one guy whos parents held him back and he was on steroids for his "allergy". The guy looked like a monster to kids in 7th grade. But by the time he was a junior in hs his hair was falling out and he didnt get much taller which made him shorter than most on the tean. All his parents manipulation of the rules didnt make a difference because mentally even with the steroids he didnt have what it takes.

This is how most play downers end up. Theres usually some kind of snowplow parent that lacks ethics pushing to get their kid whatever advantage possible in the background.

Ok so you don't like biobanding. Many do. You don't have to like the rules but they are the rules. There are no unwritten rules to specifically help you snowplow for your daughter and there won't be. It's over.

They set the rules to not allow playing down (except MLSN). You are reaching in looking for excuses to go from age based to grade based groups. They set a 12 month window to avoid your example ironically.

"When age gaps widen beyond 12 months, the disparity in talent and physical maturity widens considerably. Keeping the grouping within the August 1–July 31 window ensures players compete with and against peers of similar physiological, emotional, and social maturity."

Playing August birthdays on their grade in school team is 100% allowed by the rules.

11v11 = U18/U19 = 8/1/2008 + younger = Senior
11v11 = U18/U19 = 8/1/2008 + younger = Junior
11v11 = U17 = 8/1/2010 + younger = Sophmore
11v11 = U16 = 8/1/2011 + younger = Freshman
11v11 = U15 = 8/1/2012 + younger = 8th grade
11v11 = U14 = 8/1/2013 + younger = 7th grade
11v11 = U13 = 8/1/2014 + younger = 6th grade
9v9 = U12 = 8/1/2015 + younger = 5th grade
9v9 = U11 = 8/1/2016 + younger = 4th grade
7v7 = U10 = 8/1/2017 + younger = 3rd grade
7v7 = U9 = 8/1/2018 + younger = 2nd grade
4v4 = U8 = 8/1/2019 + younger = 1st grade
4v4 = U7 = 8/1/2020 + younger = kindergarten

Should indicates obligation, advice, or expectation (what is right or necessary), while could indicates possibility, capability, or a polite suggestion (what is optional or possible)

"When age gaps widen beyond 12 months, the disparity in talent and physical maturity widens considerably."

Not in the rules same with rae. So Il'l choose to ignore your obituarily made up nonsense.

Idk what your problem is.

Find a club willing to play your daughter up an age group if you believe in playing up. Everybody else gonna do their own thing, case by case.

Not your kid, not your call.

FYI, your made up nonsense to make your DD the oldest and benefit from RAE hasn't fooled anyone.

No problem at all.

100% following the rules as written.

Not your kid, not your call.

Teams could play an 6 year old on U19 age group, still not going to happen.

Fortunately Clubs will make the decision for Aug birthdays looking to play on grade down teams when they offer them a spot on the correct grade B team or grade down B team.

Everyone knows which team parents will choose.

Any proof or more make a wish stuff?

Just not believable around here at all. With competition tougher up an age group, offers would be on average be for better teams on age than up an age group.

You haven't offered anything thing to make grade year happen.

Proof will come when fall rosters are posted and all players are the same graduating year.

I've said this multiple times.

Then shut up already!

No I think I'll keep making you go crazy.

Heres an updated Matrix for next fall with all the info parents need.

11v11 = U18/U19 = 8/1/2008 + younger = Senior
11v11 = U18/U19 = 8/1/2008 + younger = Junior
11v11 = U17 = 8/1/2010 + younger = Sophmore
11v11 = U16 = 8/1/2011 + younger = Freshman
11v11 = U15 = 8/1/2012 + younger = 8th grade
11v11 = U14 = 8/1/2013 + younger = 7th grade
11v11 = U13 = 8/1/2014 + younger = 6th grade
9v9 = U12 = 8/1/2015 + younger = 5th grade
9v9 = U11 = 8/1/2016 + younger = 4th grade
7v7 = U10 = 8/1/2017 + younger = 3rd grade
7v7 = U9 = 8/1/2018 + younger = 2nd grade
4v4 = U8 = 8/1/2019 + younger = 1st grade
4v4 = U7 = 8/1/2020 + younger = kindergarten

Reposting incorrect info doesn't help your cause.

100% correct info. No cause unlike you.

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Anonymous wrote:I don’t think this will be a one size fits all approach. I have 3 ECNL clubs in my area and all are taking different approaches to this.

Full change for all players no playing up, will allow some kids to play up depending on coaches decision, will let Aug-Dec players who are grade above play up to stay with school grade team (if they are at the level to make the team).

Its hard because rational people see that kids want to play on teams with other kids that are their grade in school. Age guy wants plastic trophies and doesnt care what his kid would prefer.

Coaches are stuck in the middle. They know that Aug birthdays playing on the team thats their grade in school is the way to go. But the play downers are always looking to ways to cheat by playing their kid down against younger players. Which makes things difficult.

How is being the oldest kid within your age group cheating? So are January birthdays cheating under the current BY?

Next year, Aug Birthdays play on age, or up on age. They can’t play down, so there can’t be play downers cheating anyone. Just accept that you’re wrong and that your kid isn’t good enough to make the team that they want to play on without forcing some one else to play up on age so that your kid can keep spot on team.

They must be trolling or have an agenda. If they are focused on college recruiting for the sake of the August kids, I may listen to their point of view, but accusations of cheating are most likely an indication of an agenda that's faltering.

There's a specific college recruiting category just for August born kids that everyone is unaware of?

Its the mentality of looking for ways to play down vs playing on a team thats a players grade in school.

Think outside of soccer. Who are the parents looking for ways to play their kid down against younger players? If you've ever played a sport in America theres always one or two of these on any team. Also you've probably experienced these kind of players get all the opportunities at first then over time filter right back to the bench or they quit. In football I remember one guy whos parents held him back and he was on steroids for his "allergy". The guy looked like a monster to kids in 7th grade. But by the time he was a junior in hs his hair was falling out and he didnt get much taller which made him shorter than most on the tean. All his parents manipulation of the rules didnt make a difference because mentally even with the steroids he didnt have what it takes.

This is how most play downers end up. Theres usually some kind of snowplow parent that lacks ethics pushing to get their kid whatever advantage possible in the background.

Apples and oranges. SY does not allow kids to play down. They play with age or up a year. It’s very simple. You people complaining about “play downers” and “held backs” are dumb as rocks and bitter. Let go of the childhood trauma and be adults. Your children aren’t going to be recruited if they can’t beat out kids playing on age or up an age.

Hahaha seems like you're starting to figure out that playing down isn't going to happen for Aug birthdays.

Right around July you'll crack.

The real and only question left is when you accept the loss that in the DC area that clubs aren't forcing grade year onto their teams.

It was just never going to happen no matter how many times you post made up stuff like teams not offering top teams to misaligned players but without any evidence of it happening anywhere.