The Karen meme silences White women

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Let's be honest. This OP is such a Karen thing to do.

No, but the random poster asking Jeff to shut it down was exactly the entitled behavior that deserves its own name. If it isn’t Karen, what should it be? And who will advise the internet of the change?

[Anonymous]

Every other group, including white men, has to live with stereotypes and generalizations that don’t necessarily apply to them on an individual level. Based on the pages and pages of posts here, along with the endless naval gazing think pieces and op-eds in the media, some white women are not used to this.

Well, welcome to the club. Now you know how it feels.

Um, I'm not white. I'm not black either. I am, however, someone who has a particular interest in the field of misogyny, due to the nature of my work.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:^^^ I should add, in your situation you need to do what keeps you sane. But in your place I’d want to label all the ugly aspects of their behavior, not use a term that even DCUM can’t agree on and which could be used against women like us.

DCUM not agreeing means absolutely nothing. DCUM can bend over backwards trying to fight the meaning of Karen. Every other form of media understands what Karen means. It’s already been said, DCUM is full of Karens and this thread proves it.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Every other group, including white men, has to live with stereotypes and generalizations that don’t necessarily apply to them on an individual level. Based on the pages and pages of posts here, along with the endless naval gazing think pieces and op-eds in the media, some white women are not used to this.

Well, welcome to the club. Now you know how it feels.

Um, I'm not white. I'm not black either. I am, however, someone who has a particular interest in the field of misogyny, due to the nature of my work.

“Pimping ain’t hard, and it ain’t dead neither.”

/s

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:
DCUM not agreeing means absolutely nothing. DCUM can bend over backwards trying to fight the meaning of Karen.

Every other form of media understands what Karen means.

It’s already been said, DCUM is full of Karens and this thread proves it.

Oh yeah? Urban Dictionary disagrees with your definition. Here's Urban Dictionary's top definition:

A Karen is a kind of person who is unhappy when little things don’t go their way. They are a, “Can I speak to your manager?” kind of gal. The bitchy soccer mom of her friend group that nobody likes.
“Do you see her over there? She’s such a Karen.”

“Hi! You put meat on my son’s turkey sandwich, when he is STRICTLY VEGETARIAN. If you know what’s good for you, you’ll direct your manager over to me right away.”

But it looks like even Urban Dictionary can't agree with itself. Here's their second definition.

She has the children that she treats like angels that can "never do anything wrong" but in reallity are spoiled bratty ass little shits that treat other people poorly and think that they can do whatever they want. karens usually never vaccinate because of "big pharma putting poison in vaccines that cause autism" because "autistic kids are retareded". karens are usually extremely self entitled, the think that they can do what ever they want to anyone, this is why karens are a nightmare retail workers and really just anyone that has to encounter one. usually what happens is that she randomly will get mad at an other customer for whatever reason and for and ask a retail worker for free stuff and when the worker eventually says no, she will say the dreaded phrase "cAn i sPeAk TO YOur MAnageR" so the worker will call his manager and when they evenually say no she will have a complete meltdown that will result in the karen will be estorted your of the store but not without screeming I WILL SUE YOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOU. karens realationship with her husband is usually bad with the husband apologising to whoever was the victim of his wifes antics, all of this will eventually lead to divorce.

And here's Urban Dictionary's third (and last) definition.

A Karen is a helicopter parent and just a straight up b*tch. She also owns a Minivan and doesn't let her kids listen to anything but kidzbop.

https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=A%20Karen

Note the common denominators to all three definitions.
(1) Always a woman, usually a mom.
(2) Always bossy, know-it-all, "can I speak to your manager."

Note what's missing from all three definitions.
(3) No racism required or even mentioned.
(4) No victimhood or crying required or even mentioned.

So "every other form of media understands what Karen means" something different from what you keep trying to dictate. Which would make you....

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
DCUM not agreeing means absolutely nothing. DCUM can bend over backwards trying to fight the meaning of Karen.

Every other form of media understands what Karen means.

It’s already been said, DCUM is full of Karens and this thread proves it.

Oh yeah? Urban Dictionary disagrees with your definition. Here's Urban Dictionary's top definition:

A Karen is a kind of person who is unhappy when little things don’t go their way. They are a, “Can I speak to your manager?” kind of gal. The bitchy soccer mom of her friend group that nobody likes.
“Do you see her over there? She’s such a Karen.”

“Hi! You put meat on my son’s turkey sandwich, when he is STRICTLY VEGETARIAN. If you know what’s good for you, you’ll direct your manager over to me right away.”

But it looks like even Urban Dictionary can't agree with itself. Here's their second definition.

She has the children that she treats like angels that can "never do anything wrong" but in reallity are spoiled bratty ass little shits that treat other people poorly and think that they can do whatever they want. karens usually never vaccinate because of "big pharma putting poison in vaccines that cause autism" because "autistic kids are retareded". karens are usually extremely self entitled, the think that they can do what ever they want to anyone, this is why karens are a nightmare retail workers and really just anyone that has to encounter one. usually what happens is that she randomly will get mad at an other customer for whatever reason and for and ask a retail worker for free stuff and when the worker eventually says no, she will say the dreaded phrase "cAn i sPeAk TO YOur MAnageR" so the worker will call his manager and when they evenually say no she will have a complete meltdown that will result in the karen will be estorted your of the store but not without screeming I WILL SUE YOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOU. karens realationship with her husband is usually bad with the husband apologising to whoever was the victim of his wifes antics, all of this will eventually lead to divorce.

And here's Urban Dictionary's third (and last) definition.

A Karen is a helicopter parent and just a straight up b*tch. She also owns a Minivan and doesn't let her kids listen to anything but kidzbop.

https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=A%20Karen

Note the common denominators to all three definitions.
(1) Always a woman, usually a mom.
(2) Always bossy, know-it-all, "can I speak to your manager."

Note what's missing from all three definitions.
(3) No racism required or even mentioned.
(4) No victimhood or crying required or even mentioned.

So "every other form of media understands what Karen means" something different from what you keep trying to dictate. Which would make you....

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
DCUM not agreeing means absolutely nothing. DCUM can bend over backwards trying to fight the meaning of Karen.

Every other form of media understands what Karen means.

It’s already been said, DCUM is full of Karens and this thread proves it.

Oh yeah? Urban Dictionary disagrees with your definition. Here's Urban Dictionary's top definition:

A Karen is a kind of person who is unhappy when little things don’t go their way. They are a, “Can I speak to your manager?” kind of gal. The bitchy soccer mom of her friend group that nobody likes.
“Do you see her over there? She’s such a Karen.”

“Hi! You put meat on my son’s turkey sandwich, when he is STRICTLY VEGETARIAN. If you know what’s good for you, you’ll direct your manager over to me right away.”

But it looks like even Urban Dictionary can't agree with itself. Here's their second definition.

She has the children that she treats like angels that can "never do anything wrong" but in reallity are spoiled bratty ass little shits that treat other people poorly and think that they can do whatever they want. karens usually never vaccinate because of "big pharma putting poison in vaccines that cause autism" because "autistic kids are retareded". karens are usually extremely self entitled, the think that they can do what ever they want to anyone, this is why karens are a nightmare retail workers and really just anyone that has to encounter one. usually what happens is that she randomly will get mad at an other customer for whatever reason and for and ask a retail worker for free stuff and when the worker eventually says no, she will say the dreaded phrase "cAn i sPeAk TO YOur MAnageR" so the worker will call his manager and when they evenually say no she will have a complete meltdown that will result in the karen will be estorted your of the store but not without screeming I WILL SUE YOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOU. karens realationship with her husband is usually bad with the husband apologising to whoever was the victim of his wifes antics, all of this will eventually lead to divorce.

And here's Urban Dictionary's third (and last) definition.

A Karen is a helicopter parent and just a straight up b*tch. She also owns a Minivan and doesn't let her kids listen to anything but kidzbop.

https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=A%20Karen

Note the common denominators to all three definitions.
(1) Always a woman, usually a mom.
(2) Always bossy, know-it-all, "can I speak to your manager."

Note what's missing from all three definitions.
(3) No racism required or even mentioned.
(4) No victimhood or crying required or even mentioned.

So "every other form of media understands what Karen means" something different from what you keep trying to dictate. Which would make you....

You tell me, bc I damn sure didn’t give a definition of Karen. You go ahead and pat yourself on the back for what? Presenting definitions and examples that proves this site is full of Karens. Not to mention, also proves why DCUM is bending over backwards to get it removed.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
DCUM not agreeing means absolutely nothing. DCUM can bend over backwards trying to fight the meaning of Karen.

Every other form of media understands what Karen means.

It’s already been said, DCUM is full of Karens and this thread proves it.

Oh yeah? Urban Dictionary disagrees with your definition. Here's Urban Dictionary's top definition:

A Karen is a kind of person who is unhappy when little things don’t go their way. They are a, “Can I speak to your manager?” kind of gal. The bitchy soccer mom of her friend group that nobody likes.
“Do you see her over there? She’s such a Karen.”

“Hi! You put meat on my son’s turkey sandwich, when he is STRICTLY VEGETARIAN. If you know what’s good for you, you’ll direct your manager over to me right away.”

But it looks like even Urban Dictionary can't agree with itself. Here's their second definition.

She has the children that she treats like angels that can "never do anything wrong" but in reallity are spoiled bratty ass little shits that treat other people poorly and think that they can do whatever they want. karens usually never vaccinate because of "big pharma putting poison in vaccines that cause autism" because "autistic kids are retareded". karens are usually extremely self entitled, the think that they can do what ever they want to anyone, this is why karens are a nightmare retail workers and really just anyone that has to encounter one. usually what happens is that she randomly will get mad at an other customer for whatever reason and for and ask a retail worker for free stuff and when the worker eventually says no, she will say the dreaded phrase "cAn i sPeAk TO YOur MAnageR" so the worker will call his manager and when they evenually say no she will have a complete meltdown that will result in the karen will be estorted your of the store but not without screeming I WILL SUE YOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOU. karens realationship with her husband is usually bad with the husband apologising to whoever was the victim of his wifes antics, all of this will eventually lead to divorce.

And here's Urban Dictionary's third (and last) definition.

A Karen is a helicopter parent and just a straight up b*tch. She also owns a Minivan and doesn't let her kids listen to anything but kidzbop.

https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=A%20Karen

Note the common denominators to all three definitions.
(1) Always a woman, usually a mom.
(2) Always bossy, know-it-all, "can I speak to your manager."

Note what's missing from all three definitions.
(3) No racism required or even mentioned.
(4) No victimhood or crying required or even mentioned.

So "every other form of media understands what Karen means" something different from what you keep trying to dictate. Which would make you....

Umm...how many times has it been said that Karen is the woman who wants to speak to the manager. DCUM is the place claiming every assertive woman is labeled a Karen and that it’s a way to silence all women. Looks like it’s a way to silence the angry and entitled woman who is prone to meltdowns after not getting her way.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
DCUM not agreeing means absolutely nothing. DCUM can bend over backwards trying to fight the meaning of Karen.

Every other form of media understands what Karen means.

It’s already been said, DCUM is full of Karens and this thread proves it.

Oh yeah? Urban Dictionary disagrees with your definition. Here's Urban Dictionary's top definition:

A Karen is a kind of person who is unhappy when little things don’t go their way. They are a, “Can I speak to your manager?” kind of gal. The bitchy soccer mom of her friend group that nobody likes.
“Do you see her over there? She’s such a Karen.”

“Hi! You put meat on my son’s turkey sandwich, when he is STRICTLY VEGETARIAN. If you know what’s good for you, you’ll direct your manager over to me right away.”

But it looks like even Urban Dictionary can't agree with itself. Here's their second definition.

She has the children that she treats like angels that can "never do anything wrong" but in reallity are spoiled bratty ass little shits that treat other people poorly and think that they can do whatever they want. karens usually never vaccinate because of "big pharma putting poison in vaccines that cause autism" because "autistic kids are retareded". karens are usually extremely self entitled, the think that they can do what ever they want to anyone, this is why karens are a nightmare retail workers and really just anyone that has to encounter one. usually what happens is that she randomly will get mad at an other customer for whatever reason and for and ask a retail worker for free stuff and when the worker eventually says no, she will say the dreaded phrase "cAn i sPeAk TO YOur MAnageR" so the worker will call his manager and when they evenually say no she will have a complete meltdown that will result in the karen will be estorted your of the store but not without screeming I WILL SUE YOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOU. karens realationship with her husband is usually bad with the husband apologising to whoever was the victim of his wifes antics, all of this will eventually lead to divorce.

And here's Urban Dictionary's third (and last) definition.

A Karen is a helicopter parent and just a straight up b*tch. She also owns a Minivan and doesn't let her kids listen to anything but kidzbop.

https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=A%20Karen

Note the common denominators to all three definitions.
(1) Always a woman, usually a mom.
(2) Always bossy, know-it-all, "can I speak to your manager."

Note what's missing from all three definitions.
(3) No racism required or even mentioned.
(4) No victimhood or crying required or even mentioned.

So "every other form of media understands what Karen means" something different from what you keep trying to dictate. Which would make you....

You tell me, bc I damn sure didn’t give a definition of Karen. You go ahead and pat yourself on the back for what? Presenting definitions and examples that proves this site is full of Karens. Not to mention, also proves why DCUM is bending over backwards to get it removed.

Sure you didn’t offer any opinions previous to your post at the top.

Anyways. A Karen is a woman who has, shall we say, strong opinions. Strong opinions among women are to be condemned, especially if she’s screaming at the barista, but none of the definitions actually requires screaming at people. Ergo, people who fling around pejorative Karens for any strong woman expressing an opinion are misogynists.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:
Umm...how many times has it been said that Karen is the woman who wants to speak to the manager. DCUM is the place claiming every assertive woman is labeled a Karen and that it’s a way to silence all women. Looks like it’s a way to silence the angry and entitled woman who is prone to meltdowns after not getting her way.

Umm... and whooosh. Now no woman with a legitimate grievance can ask to speak to the manager. Any women who does is a Karen. Just look at OP’s legitimate grievance about not being able to get curbside service, and how many people trashed her as a Karen even though she only thought about talking to the manager.

And don’t pretend we haven’t spent the last 5-10 pages watching some of you trying to insert victim hood and racism into the mix.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
DCUM not agreeing means absolutely nothing. DCUM can bend over backwards trying to fight the meaning of Karen.

Every other form of media understands what Karen means.

It’s already been said, DCUM is full of Karens and this thread proves it.

Oh yeah? Urban Dictionary disagrees with your definition. Here's Urban Dictionary's top definition:

A Karen is a kind of person who is unhappy when little things don’t go their way. They are a, “Can I speak to your manager?” kind of gal. The bitchy soccer mom of her friend group that nobody likes.
“Do you see her over there? She’s such a Karen.”

“Hi! You put meat on my son’s turkey sandwich, when he is STRICTLY VEGETARIAN. If you know what’s good for you, you’ll direct your manager over to me right away.”

But it looks like even Urban Dictionary can't agree with itself. Here's their second definition.

She has the children that she treats like angels that can "never do anything wrong" but in reallity are spoiled bratty ass little shits that treat other people poorly and think that they can do whatever they want. karens usually never vaccinate because of "big pharma putting poison in vaccines that cause autism" because "autistic kids are retareded". karens are usually extremely self entitled, the think that they can do what ever they want to anyone, this is why karens are a nightmare retail workers and really just anyone that has to encounter one. usually what happens is that she randomly will get mad at an other customer for whatever reason and for and ask a retail worker for free stuff and when the worker eventually says no, she will say the dreaded phrase "cAn i sPeAk TO YOur MAnageR" so the worker will call his manager and when they evenually say no she will have a complete meltdown that will result in the karen will be estorted your of the store but not without screeming I WILL SUE YOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOU. karens realationship with her husband is usually bad with the husband apologising to whoever was the victim of his wifes antics, all of this will eventually lead to divorce.

And here's Urban Dictionary's third (and last) definition.

A Karen is a helicopter parent and just a straight up b*tch. She also owns a Minivan and doesn't let her kids listen to anything but kidzbop.

https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=A%20Karen

Note the common denominators to all three definitions.
(1) Always a woman, usually a mom.
(2) Always bossy, know-it-all, "can I speak to your manager."

Note what's missing from all three definitions.
(3) No racism required or even mentioned.
(4) No victimhood or crying required or even mentioned.

So "every other form of media understands what Karen means" something different from what you keep trying to dictate. Which would make you....

You tell me, bc I damn sure didn’t give a definition of Karen. You go ahead and pat yourself on the back for what? Presenting definitions and examples that proves this site is full of Karens. Not to mention, also proves why DCUM is bending over backwards to get it removed.

Sure you didn’t offer any opinions previous to your post at the top.

Anyways. A Karen is a woman who has, shall we say, strong opinions. Strong opinions among women are to be condemned, especially if she’s screaming at the barista, but none of the definitions actually requires screaming at people. Ergo, people who fling around pejorative Karens for any strong woman expressing an opinion are misogynists.

You replied to my comment. So nope, I didn’t provide a definition. Reread the definitions you posted, it’s very clear Karen isn’t aimed at strong women. It’s aimed at a certain women who is entitled, overly aggressive, disrespectful and wants to speak with a manager when not given her way.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
DCUM not agreeing means absolutely nothing. DCUM can bend over backwards trying to fight the meaning of Karen.

Every other form of media understands what Karen means.

It’s already been said, DCUM is full of Karens and this thread proves it.

Oh yeah? Urban Dictionary disagrees with your definition. Here's Urban Dictionary's top definition:

A Karen is a kind of person who is unhappy when little things don’t go their way. They are a, “Can I speak to your manager?” kind of gal. The bitchy soccer mom of her friend group that nobody likes.
“Do you see her over there? She’s such a Karen.”

“Hi! You put meat on my son’s turkey sandwich, when he is STRICTLY VEGETARIAN. If you know what’s good for you, you’ll direct your manager over to me right away.”

But it looks like even Urban Dictionary can't agree with itself. Here's their second definition.

She has the children that she treats like angels that can "never do anything wrong" but in reallity are spoiled bratty ass little shits that treat other people poorly and think that they can do whatever they want. karens usually never vaccinate because of "big pharma putting poison in vaccines that cause autism" because "autistic kids are retareded". karens are usually extremely self entitled, the think that they can do what ever they want to anyone, this is why karens are a nightmare retail workers and really just anyone that has to encounter one. usually what happens is that she randomly will get mad at an other customer for whatever reason and for and ask a retail worker for free stuff and when the worker eventually says no, she will say the dreaded phrase "cAn i sPeAk TO YOur MAnageR" so the worker will call his manager and when they evenually say no she will have a complete meltdown that will result in the karen will be estorted your of the store but not without screeming I WILL SUE YOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOU. karens realationship with her husband is usually bad with the husband apologising to whoever was the victim of his wifes antics, all of this will eventually lead to divorce.

And here's Urban Dictionary's third (and last) definition.

A Karen is a helicopter parent and just a straight up b*tch. She also owns a Minivan and doesn't let her kids listen to anything but kidzbop.

https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=A%20Karen

Note the common denominators to all three definitions.
(1) Always a woman, usually a mom.
(2) Always bossy, know-it-all, "can I speak to your manager."

Note what's missing from all three definitions.
(3) No racism required or even mentioned.
(4) No victimhood or crying required or even mentioned.

So "every other form of media understands what Karen means" something different from what you keep trying to dictate. Which would make you....

You tell me, bc I damn sure didn’t give a definition of Karen. You go ahead and pat yourself on the back for what? Presenting definitions and examples that proves this site is full of Karens. Not to mention, also proves why DCUM is bending over backwards to get it removed.

Sure you didn’t offer any opinions previous to your post at the top.

Anyways. A Karen is a woman who has, shall we say, strong opinions. Strong opinions among women are to be condemned, especially if she’s screaming at the barista, but none of the definitions actually requires screaming at people. Ergo, people who fling around pejorative Karens for any strong woman expressing an opinion are misogynists.

Okay lady. If that makes you feel better. You're definitely not a Karen. We submit!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
Umm...how many times has it been said that Karen is the woman who wants to speak to the manager. DCUM is the place claiming every assertive woman is labeled a Karen and that it’s a way to silence all women. Looks like it’s a way to silence the angry and entitled woman who is prone to meltdowns after not getting her way.

Umm... and whooosh. Now no woman with a legitimate grievance can ask to speak to the manager. Any women who does is a Karen. Just look at OP’s legitimate grievance about not being able to get curbside service, and how many people trashed her as a Karen even though she only thought about talking to the manager.

And don’t pretend we haven’t spent the last 5-10 pages watching some of you trying to insert victim hood and racism into the mix.

Just going off the definitions you posted. What’s consider legitimate? Anything you desire to complain about? Why do you need to speak to a manager?

Op didn’t complain, so she wouldn’t be a Karen. Her coming here to complain is odd and unnecessary.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The key Karen trait is having victim complex.

It’s possible to be an assertive white woman without being a Karen. It’s the tendency to act helpless and innocent after passive aggressively stirring things up with people and then turning it around and acting like you are being victimized.

The white woman who got slapped in that viral video was just a garden variety racist b—— until she got slapped and she suddenly acted shocked and traumatized, as if she didn’t instigate the whole situation. I know it’s generalization, but white woman are *notorious* for doing this.

This. White woman victimhood. And that's exactly why so many people found this thread to be precisely the Karen-esque behavior that people find irritating, and they doubled down for 50 pages whining about how silenced they are. For silenced victims, y'all talk an awful lot.

- signed black woman who just got a hostile email from her Karen coworker calling her rude for the 3rd time this month for disagreeing with her misinformed "idea" for how I should do MY job. (I'm anticipating having to field a teary phone call where she demands an apology for my "rudeness")

You sound racist.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

You replied to my comment. So nope, I didn’t provide a definition. Reread the definitions you posted, it’s very clear Karen isn’t aimed at strong women. It’s aimed at a certain women who is entitled, overly aggressive, disrespectful and wants to speak with a manager when not given her way.

What you're missing is this spreads to every woman who is behaving in a way someone doesn't like. You don't understand how that works? It's used to control women.

You don't think the soccer team needs matching team water bottles? Stop being a Karen.

You asked for decaf, we gave you caf, and now you want to exchange it? What a Karen.

You don't think I should be letting my cat wander around eating birds in your yard? You're a total Karen.