Pelosi announces impeachment inquiry

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Barr was angry and surprised when he found out about the call.

The call wasn't perfect. Barr knows that. Everyone knows that.

AP

"When Barr did learn of that call a few weeks later, he was "surprised and angry" to discover he had been lumped in with Giuliani, a person familiar with Barr's thinking told The Associated Press. This person was not authorized to speak about the matter publicly and spoke on condition of anonymity."

"A person familiar" "Anonymity"

This seems to be a common theme in these types of stories.

THAt AP article, written in passive voice, has so many holes if it you could drive a bus through it. Barr is a master of denial. He knew and he helped.

Don’t forget, Barr is the Ashcroft guy.

The story is probably completely fabricated. If Barr is 'angry and surprised' it's because his name is being thrown around in their crooked impeachment scheme and they twisted it into (once again) a parody of what it really is.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Trump wanted to hide his calls with America's enemies from the Intelligence Community and the Mueller investigation, so he jammed them into codeword files server *run by the CIA?*

It's a good idea to research more. Always.

https://www.dailywire.com/news/obama-administration-saved-call-transcripts-on-same-secret-server-as-trump-administration?%3Futm_source=twitter

Rice tried to float that they only saved unclassified information to this server but had to walk it back when questioned directly about it.

"Rice still acknowledged that the Obama administration also saved some call transcripts on the server and did not expand on what would make something “legitimately … classified.”

“The sources who talked to ABC News did caution that it’s unclear if the calls being stored were done so for national security or for political concerns.” (to avoid leaks)

The outlet also reported a source saying that saving the conversations to the more secure server was “basically standard operating procedure.”

“Both of these revelations undermine the theory that in this specific case, some unique and bizarre method was used to hide the transcript and engage in a cover up,” Marcus wrote. “Rather, the Trump administration appears to have been engaging in business as usual.”

Yeah Susan Rice confirmed it. Trump is following the same procedures as Obama.

Smart move actually, media outrage negated by showing this is standard operating procedure. Of course this could be used to his advantage of Trump shows Obama acted badly in some way.

I am not even sure why this is an issue. The fact is, Trump and Rudy have disclosed the call, and McConnell got Trump to release the summary of the call. The crime is out in the open for all to see. Most Americans are in fact, troubled by the contents of the call, even if some Trump supporters want to ignore what they can read with their own eyes. There is no innocent explanation for what happened, its just that Trump believes, and would have his supporters believe, that the contents are regular order of business. Well, when you are a mobster, that is true. However, I think most Americans agree that the standard for the sitting US president, is, or should be higher.

I've bolded some of the more troubling parts of your post. The facts you posted are - not facts at all. There's a reason Schiff decided to create a parody of the transcript, rather than just read it outright. That reason was to create a narrative to the American people. That's not necessary if what you have in your hands is so incriminating. That was a HUGE mistake on Schiff's part and will be key.

Schiff was really into his dramatic reading role, as if he were participating in a high school public speaking event or college theatre performance.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

I am not even sure why this is an issue. The fact is, Trump and Rudy have disclosed the call, and McConnell got Trump to release the summary of the call. The crime is out in the open for all to see. Most Americans are in fact, troubled by the contents of the call, even if some Trump supporters want to ignore what they can read with their own eyes. There is no innocent explanation for what happened, its just that Trump believes, and would have his supporters believe, that the contents are regular order of business. Well, when you are a mobster, that is true. However, I think most Americans agree that the standard for the sitting US president, is, or should be higher.

I've bolded some of the more troubling parts of your post. The facts you posted are - not facts at all. There's a reason Schiff decided to create a parody of the transcript, rather than just read it outright. That reason was to create a narrative to the American people. That's not necessary if what you have in your hands is so incriminating. That was a HUGE mistake on Schiff's part and will be key.

1) the crime is out in the open, that is what made the release of the summary transcript so shocking.
2) ABC poll this morning, most Americans are troubled by this by a factor of almost 3-1.
3) If you don't know the history of the Trump family and organized crime and how the Italian "families" consolidated with organized crime in Russia, that is not my fault
4) See # 2 above.

I stand by my post.

1) Why release a summary transcript of a call if you know you committed a crime? If the summary transcript shows a crime, why would Schiff not just read it rather than summarize it in what he later called "a parody"?
2) So what? It's an ABC poll based on the flood of media stories out right now
3) The whole 'mob boss' theme is just tired. Are you also claiming that Trump had a hand in the death of the journalist at the hands of the Sauds?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:If you are stuck on the whole "heresay" thing, perhaps the following from a noted GOP attorney will help

https://twitter.com/gtconway3d/status/1177995935332409344

Conway?

Can you tell me what exact statements Trump made that are a crime?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If you are stuck on the whole "heresay" thing, perhaps the following from a noted GOP attorney will help

https://twitter.com/gtconway3d/status/1177995935332409344

Conway?

Can you tell me what exact statements Trump made that are a crime?

You can read it with your own eyes. It has been parsed on several threads in this forum and in many media outlets, including Fox News.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Trump wanted to hide his calls with America's enemies from the Intelligence Community and the Mueller investigation, so he jammed them into codeword files server *run by the CIA?*

It's a good idea to research more. Always.

https://www.dailywire.com/news/obama-administration-saved-call-transcripts-on-same-secret-server-as-trump-administration?%3Futm_source=twitter

Rice tried to float that they only saved unclassified information to this server but had to walk it back when questioned directly about it.

"Rice still acknowledged that the Obama administration also saved some call transcripts on the server and did not expand on what would make something “legitimately … classified.”

“The sources who talked to ABC News did caution that it’s unclear if the calls being stored were done so for national security or for political concerns.” (to avoid leaks)

The outlet also reported a source saying that saving the conversations to the more secure server was “basically standard operating procedure.”

“Both of these revelations undermine the theory that in this specific case, some unique and bizarre method was used to hide the transcript and engage in a cover up,” Marcus wrote. “Rather, the Trump administration appears to have been engaging in business as usual.”

Yeah Susan Rice confirmed it. Trump is following the same procedures as Obama.

Smart move actually, media outrage negated by showing this is standard operating procedure. Of course this could be used to his advantage of Trump shows Obama acted badly in some way.

I am not even sure why this is an issue. The fact is, Trump and Rudy have disclosed the call, and McConnell got Trump to release the summary of the call. The crime is out in the open for all to see. Most Americans are in fact, troubled by the contents of the call, even if some Trump supporters want to ignore what they can read with their own eyes. There is no innocent explanation for what happened, its just that Trump believes, and would have his supporters believe, that the contents are regular order of business. Well, when you are a mobster, that is true. However, I think most Americans agree that the standard for the sitting US president, is, or should be higher.

I've bolded some of the more troubling parts of your post. The facts you posted are - not facts at all. There's a reason Schiff decided to create a parody of the transcript, rather than just read it outright. That reason was to create a narrative to the American people. That's not necessary if what you have in your hands is so incriminating. That was a HUGE mistake on Schiff's part and will be key.

Trump successfully creates such narratives all the time. The only difference is that you believe Trump.

[Anonymous]

If there is a treaty that allows us to cooperate with the Ukraine in pursuing criminal matters, please tell me what the issue is?

http://dcwhispers.com/doh-did-you-know-theres-a-treaty-between-the-usa-ukraine-regarding-cooperation-for-prosecuting-crimes/?fbclid=IwAR1LbSQcNX-bClrTjfNjjlGedAu7jrMx2-LSNWtNNmBs9kdajbrVO581O6I

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Trump wanted to hide his calls with America's enemies from the Intelligence Community and the Mueller investigation, so he jammed them into codeword files server *run by the CIA?*

It's a good idea to research more. Always.

https://www.dailywire.com/news/obama-administration-saved-call-transcripts-on-same-secret-server-as-trump-administration?%3Futm_source=twitter

Rice tried to float that they only saved unclassified information to this server but had to walk it back when questioned directly about it.

"Rice still acknowledged that the Obama administration also saved some call transcripts on the server and did not expand on what would make something “legitimately … classified.”

“The sources who talked to ABC News did caution that it’s unclear if the calls being stored were done so for national security or for political concerns.” (to avoid leaks)

The outlet also reported a source saying that saving the conversations to the more secure server was “basically standard operating procedure.”

“Both of these revelations undermine the theory that in this specific case, some unique and bizarre method was used to hide the transcript and engage in a cover up,” Marcus wrote. “Rather, the Trump administration appears to have been engaging in business as usual.”

Yeah Susan Rice confirmed it. Trump is following the same procedures as Obama.

Smart move actually, media outrage negated by showing this is standard operating procedure. Of course this could be used to his advantage of Trump shows Obama acted badly in some way.

I am not even sure why this is an issue. The fact is, Trump and Rudy have disclosed the call, and McConnell got Trump to release the summary of the call. The crime is out in the open for all to see. Most Americans are in fact, troubled by the contents of the call, even if some Trump supporters want to ignore what they can read with their own eyes. There is no innocent explanation for what happened, its just that Trump believes, and would have his supporters believe, that the contents are regular order of business. Well, when you are a mobster, that is true. However, I think most Americans agree that the standard for the sitting US president, is, or should be higher.

I've bolded some of the more troubling parts of your post. The facts you posted are - not facts at all. There's a reason Schiff decided to create a parody of the transcript, rather than just read it outright. That reason was to create a narrative to the American people. That's not necessary if what you have in your hands is so incriminating. That was a HUGE mistake on Schiff's part and will be key.

Trump successfully creates such narratives all the time. The only difference is that you believe Trump.

That’s your response? Really?

[Anonymous]

For those that want to argue source, here’s the treaty:

https://www.congress.gov/106/cdoc/tdoc16/CDOC-106tdoc16.pdf

[Anonymous]

No one needs the media or Congress to tell them Trump committed a criminal act. I have read the transcript of the call and the whistleblower allegations in their entirety. The transcript does not contradict the allegations, and suggests that Trump, indeed, asked a foreign country (extorted) to investigate a political opponent.

The whistleblower complaint, for the most part, references known events that were reported on at the time, such as Rudy Giuliani’s European Adventure searching for someone who will give him dirt for Trump.

You want to argue, argue the substance of the allegations here, not whether Adam Schiff is dramatic. That’s weak sauce and a lame attempt to deflect from Trump’s CRIMES.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:No one needs the media or Congress to tell them Trump committed a criminal act. I have read the transcript of the call and the whistleblower allegations in their entirety. The transcript does not contradict the allegations, and suggests that Trump, indeed, asked a foreign country (extorted) to investigate a political opponent.

The whistleblower complaint, for the most part, references known events that were reported on at the time, such as Rudy Giuliani’s European Adventure searching for someone who will give him dirt for Trump.

You want to argue, argue the substance of the allegations here, not whether Adam Schiff is dramatic. That’s weak sauce and a lame attempt to deflect from Trump’s CRIMES.

If there’s a treaty dating back to Bill Clinton saying that we will work together with Ukraine on criminal matters, where’s the actual crime?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:No one needs the media or Congress to tell them Trump committed a criminal act. I have read the transcript of the call and the whistleblower allegations in their entirety. The transcript does not contradict the allegations, and suggests that Trump, indeed, asked a foreign country (extorted) to investigate a political opponent.

The whistleblower complaint, for the most part, references known events that were reported on at the time, such as Rudy Giuliani’s European Adventure searching for someone who will give him dirt for Trump.

You want to argue, argue the substance of the allegations here, not whether Adam Schiff is dramatic. That’s weak sauce and a lame attempt to deflect from Trump’s CRIMES.

A dramatic reading of a made up script is not weak sauce. Why did he do that? Let's stick to facts during this process.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:No one needs the media or Congress to tell them Trump committed a criminal act. I have read the transcript of the call and the whistleblower allegations in their entirety. The transcript does not contradict the allegations, and suggests that Trump, indeed, asked a foreign country (extorted) to investigate a political opponent.

The whistleblower complaint, for the most part, references known events that were reported on at the time, such as Rudy Giuliani’s European Adventure searching for someone who will give him dirt for Trump.

You want to argue, argue the substance of the allegations here, not whether Adam Schiff is dramatic. That’s weak sauce and a lame attempt to deflect from Trump’s CRIMES.

If there’s a treaty dating back to Bill Clinton saying that we will work together with Ukraine on criminal matters, where’s the actual crime?

LOL did you read the “transcript?” Trump referenced no crime.

The only crime was Trump using a foreign country to down a political opponent.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:No one needs the media or Congress to tell them Trump committed a criminal act. I have read the transcript of the call and the whistleblower allegations in their entirety. The transcript does not contradict the allegations, and suggests that Trump, indeed, asked a foreign country (extorted) to investigate a political opponent.

The whistleblower complaint, for the most part, references known events that were reported on at the time, such as Rudy Giuliani’s European Adventure searching for someone who will give him dirt for Trump.

You want to argue, argue the substance of the allegations here, not whether Adam Schiff is dramatic. That’s weak sauce and a lame attempt to deflect from Trump’s CRIMES.

A dramatic reading of a made up script is not weak sauce. Why did he do that? Let's stick to facts during this process.

Did you read the transcript and the complaint? Please do.

Let’s discuss the substance of that.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:No one needs the media or Congress to tell them Trump committed a criminal act. I have read the transcript of the call and the whistleblower allegations in their entirety. The transcript does not contradict the allegations, and suggests that Trump, indeed, asked a foreign country (extorted) to investigate a political opponent.

The whistleblower complaint, for the most part, references known events that were reported on at the time, such as Rudy Giuliani’s European Adventure searching for someone who will give him dirt for Trump.

You want to argue, argue the substance of the allegations here, not whether Adam Schiff is dramatic. That’s weak sauce and a lame attempt to deflect from Trump’s CRIMES.

If there’s a treaty dating back to Bill Clinton saying that we will work together with Ukraine on criminal matters, where’s the actual crime?

You can't be that dense. Does the treaty say that the President's lawyer has authority to tell Ukraine what they have to investigate in order to get a meeting with the President and to receive the military and development aid that Congress appropriated for them? Does the treaty say that the U.S. Ambassador should be smeared in order to get her out of the way if she does not allow the President's lawyer to intervene in U.S. policy with Ukraine? If there is nothing wrong with what Trump did, why did the Trump Administration hide the transcript of the call and defy the law by blocking delivery of the complaint to Congress?

Now, it is true that what Joe Biden did was appropriate as part of the U.S. - Ukraine agreement because he acted through official channels and advocated the position of U.S. government, the IMF, and European allies. And it had nothing to do with his son.