Who said there isn't a North-South divide?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:APS does need to make Drew more attractive. Isn't the principal from H-B going to Drew? With all new programs, and the influx of UMCs from Henry and Oakridge, it could be a well balanced school, if people don't fight going there.

"Could be" is the operative phrase. APS admin will be under pressure to drop the AH in the Oakridge walk zone on Drew's doorstep, because the alternative is sending wealthier families out of Oakridge to HB. Those kids are getting busssd now anyway, but I expect they'll complain and the AH families won't, because they probably are completely unaware the boundaries are being shifted. That would be a disaster for Drew. UMC buy-in at Drew hinges on one and only one thing: the estimated farms rate. If it's above 50 percent, UMC will bail and it will spiral up to 70 or higher. Nauck is not Douglas Park. There are many homes that have long since been paid off and been inherited by children and grandchildren. That is why, despite being mostly duplexes and SFH that sell relatively high, Nauck has a poverty rate that rivals that of Buckingham. It already has all the farms. It really, really doesn't need it made worse by the elementary boundary process..

The principal from HB is by all accounts wonderful, but she had the wind at her back there ... a gentrifying neighborhood with a falling farms rate, and the Mongolian population at the school places a lot of value on education. At Drew she's going to face a very different situation, and frankly, a more complex and harder one compounded by history. I think she's up to the task but I think it'd be critical that she have the resources that UMC families bring to a school. That won't happen if APS draws inequitable boundaries.

I think I get what you are saying, but usually, inheriting a house (living mortgage/rent free) usually increases a family's income. It's usually a way to pass on wealth to the next generation because you can sell it and get money or you can live in it and save your money.

Why is it different in Nauck? I am asking out of curiosity, not to be a jerk.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:APS does need to make Drew more attractive. Isn't the principal from H-B going to Drew? With all new programs, and the influx of UMCs from Henry and Oakridge, it could be a well balanced school, if people don't fight going there.

"Could be" is the operative phrase. APS admin will be under pressure to drop the AH in the Oakridge walk zone on Drew's doorstep, because the alternative is sending wealthier families out of Oakridge to HB. Those kids are getting busssd now anyway, but I expect they'll complain and the AH families won't, because they probably are completely unaware the boundaries are being shifted. That would be a disaster for Drew. UMC buy-in at Drew hinges on one and only one thing: the estimated farms rate. If it's above 50 percent, UMC will bail and it will spiral up to 70 or higher. Nauck is not Douglas Park. There are many homes that have long since been paid off and been inherited by children and grandchildren. That is why, despite being mostly duplexes and SFH that sell relatively high, Nauck has a poverty rate that rivals that of Buckingham. It already has all the farms. It really, really doesn't need it made worse by the elementary boundary process..

The principal from HB is by all accounts wonderful, but she had the wind at her back there ... a gentrifying neighborhood with a falling farms rate, and the Mongolian population at the school places a lot of value on education. At Drew she's going to face a very different situation, and frankly, a more complex and harder one compounded by history. I think she's up to the task but I think it'd be critical that she have the resources that UMC families bring to a school. That won't happen if APS draws inequitable boundaries.

I think I get what you are saying, but usually, inheriting a house (living mortgage/rent free) usually increases a family's income. It's usually a way to pass on wealth to the next generation because you can sell it and get money or you can live in it and save your money.

Why is it different in Nauck? I am asking out of curiosity, not to be a jerk.

Inheriting a house free and clear is generally a one time windfall, not an ongoing source of income, unless you have somewhere else to live and can rent it out. My sense is that many people in this situation were already living with aged parents and so stayed after they passed because that was their house, too. In others, inheriting the house actually did increase their income because they were able to move in, rent-free, and stop paying rent elsewhere.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:APS does need to make Drew more attractive. Isn't the principal from H-B going to Drew? With all new programs, and the influx of UMCs from Henry and Oakridge, it could be a well balanced school, if people don't fight going there.

"Could be" is the operative phrase. APS admin will be under pressure to drop the AH in the Oakridge walk zone on Drew's doorstep, because the alternative is sending wealthier families out of Oakridge to HB. Those kids are getting busssd now anyway, but I expect they'll complain and the AH families won't, because they probably are completely unaware the boundaries are being shifted. That would be a disaster for Drew. UMC buy-in at Drew hinges on one and only one thing: the estimated farms rate. If it's above 50 percent, UMC will bail and it will spiral up to 70 or higher. Nauck is not Douglas Park. There are many homes that have long since been paid off and been inherited by children and grandchildren. That is why, despite being mostly duplexes and SFH that sell relatively high, Nauck has a poverty rate that rivals that of Buckingham. It already has all the farms. It really, really doesn't need it made worse by the elementary boundary process..

The principal from HB is by all accounts wonderful, but she had the wind at her back there ... a gentrifying neighborhood with a falling farms rate, and the Mongolian population at the school places a lot of value on education. At Drew she's going to face a very different situation, and frankly, a more complex and harder one compounded by history. I think she's up to the task but I think it'd be critical that she have the resources that UMC families bring to a school. That won't happen if APS draws inequitable boundaries.

I think I get what you are saying, but usually, inheriting a house (living mortgage/rent free) usually increases a family's income. It's usually a way to pass on wealth to the next generation because you can sell it and get money or you can live in it and save your money.

Why is it different in Nauck? I am asking out of curiosity, not to be a jerk.

Inheriting a house free and clear is generally a one time windfall, not an ongoing source of income, unless you have somewhere else to live and can rent it out. My sense is that many people in this situation were already living with aged parents and so stayed after they passed because that was their house, too. In others, inheriting the house actually did increase their income because they were able to move in, rent-free, and stop paying rent elsewhere.

But more to your point - we're taking about blue collar families. It's not easy to save money, even when you are living rent free, if your HH income is low to begin with. And that brings up a related point- there's probably a lot of families in the area that are not in poverty but aren't too far from it. School performance is related to HH income and it doesn't observe the cutoff points in our statistics.

[Anonymous]

Not every planning unit South of the Pike is closest to Drew. Some are HB, at least one is Fleet. Oakridge is going to end up with wacky boundaries. They cannot just move the ArnavHeights (?) to Drew. Oakridge needs at least 200 kids to move to get back to near capacity. They could move parts of Pentagon City and Arlington Ridge to HB or maybe since most of Arlington Ridge busses then they will get moved to Drew? Either way Oakridge needs to shed over 1/4 to 1/3 of its boundaries/ students. No one really knows how many seats are open at HB, Drew, Fleet. Sure the board has some numbers but they have been wrong in the past. I predict 2019 will be a complete cluster and by 2020 they have to redo some of those school boundaries and despite policy some planning units will be affected twice. Randolph is on the list but it’s 100% filled with walkers so not sure how that can be adjusted other than moving some planning units away from it. Roslyn, Penrose, Arlington Village are bursting with toddlers. Traffic is only getting worse. Housing is getting more expensive. If Amazon comes it will bring some more families.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:APS does need to make Drew more attractive. Isn't the principal from H-B going to Drew? With all new programs, and the influx of UMCs from Henry and Oakridge, it could be a well balanced school, if people don't fight going there.

"Could be" is the operative phrase. APS admin will be under pressure to drop the AH in the Oakridge walk zone on Drew's doorstep, because the alternative is sending wealthier families out of Oakridge to HB. Those kids are getting busssd now anyway, but I expect they'll complain and the AH families won't, because they probably are completely unaware the boundaries are being shifted. That would be a disaster for Drew. UMC buy-in at Drew hinges on one and only one thing: the estimated farms rate. If it's above 50 percent, UMC will bail and it will spiral up to 70 or higher. Nauck is not Douglas Park. There are many homes that have long since been paid off and been inherited by children and grandchildren. That is why, despite being mostly duplexes and SFH that sell relatively high, Nauck has a poverty rate that rivals that of Buckingham. It already has all the farms. It really, really doesn't need it made worse by the elementary boundary process..

The principal from HB is by all accounts wonderful, but she had the wind at her back there ... a gentrifying neighborhood with a falling farms rate, and the Mongolian population at the school places a lot of value on education. At Drew she's going to face a very different situation, and frankly, a more complex and harder one compounded by history. I think she's up to the task but I think it'd be critical that she have the resources that UMC families bring to a school. That won't happen if APS draws inequitable boundaries.

I think I get what you are saying, but usually, inheriting a house (living mortgage/rent free) usually increases a family's income. It's usually a way to pass on wealth to the next generation because you can sell it and get money or you can live in it and save your money.

Why is it different in Nauck? I am asking out of curiosity, not to be a jerk.

Inheriting a house free and clear is generally a one time windfall, not an ongoing source of income, unless you have somewhere else to live and can rent it out. My sense is that many people in this situation were already living with aged parents and so stayed after they passed because that was their house, too. In others, inheriting the house actually did increase their income because they were able to move in, rent-free, and stop paying rent elsewhere.

But more to your point - we're taking about blue collar families. It's not easy to save money, even when you are living rent free, if your HH income is low to begin with. And that brings up a related point- there's probably a lot of families in the area that are not in poverty but aren't too far from it. School performance is related to HH income and it doesn't observe the cutoff points in our statistics.

Okay, that makes sense.

[Anonymous]

I read that the vote on the new school zones will take place on Dec 6th. We're not doing the other 5 exercises in frustration, I mean zoning. So I guess we'll learn then what the plan is? Or will the Nov 27th public hearing make it too contentious?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I read that the vote on the new school zones will take place on Dec 6th. We're not doing the other 5 exercises in frustration, I mean zoning. So I guess we'll learn then what the plan is? Or will the Nov 27th public hearing make it too contentious?

I have no clue what you’re trying to say here.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Not every planning unit South of the Pike is closest to Drew. Some are HB, at least one is Fleet. Oakridge is going to end up with wacky boundaries. They cannot just move the ArnavHeights (?) to Drew. Oakridge needs at least 200 kids to move to get back to near capacity. They could move parts of Pentagon City and Arlington Ridge to HB or maybe since most of Arlington Ridge busses then they will get moved to Drew? Either way Oakridge needs to shed over 1/4 to 1/3 of its boundaries/ students. No one really knows how many seats are open at HB, Drew, Fleet. Sure the board has some numbers but they have been wrong in the past. I predict 2019 will be a complete cluster and by 2020 they have to redo some of those school boundaries and despite policy some planning units will be affected twice. Randolph is on the list but it’s 100% filled with walkers so not sure how that can be adjusted other than moving some planning units away from it. Roslyn, Penrose, Arlington Village are bursting with toddlers. Traffic is only getting worse. Housing is getting more expensive. If Amazon comes it will bring some more families.

Oakridge is located in the Arlington Ridge neighborhood, so those students are its walkers. Do you mean Aurora Highlands? Small parts of that neighborhood are outside the current walk zone. All of the students in CC and Pentagon City are bus riders to Oakridge.

No kids S of Columbia Pike are in Fleet's walk zone, because CP is not a crossable road for ES students even if they are within the one mile walk shed, and there's no pedestrian bridge.

Randolph is not at 100% capacity, so it can take on more students without losing current ones. Same with Barcroft, but who knows what they are thinking with regard to option school locations.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Not every planning unit South of the Pike is closest to Drew. Some are HB, at least one is Fleet. Oakridge is going to end up with wacky boundaries. They cannot just move the ArnavHeights (?) to Drew. Oakridge needs at least 200 kids to move to get back to near capacity. They could move parts of Pentagon City and Arlington Ridge to HB or maybe since most of Arlington Ridge busses then they will get moved to Drew? Either way Oakridge needs to shed over 1/4 to 1/3 of its boundaries/ students. No one really knows how many seats are open at HB, Drew, Fleet. Sure the board has some numbers but they have been wrong in the past. I predict 2019 will be a complete cluster and by 2020 they have to redo some of those school boundaries and despite policy some planning units will be affected twice. Randolph is on the list but it’s 100% filled with walkers so not sure how that can be adjusted other than moving some planning units away from it. Roslyn, Penrose, Arlington Village are bursting with toddlers. Traffic is only getting worse. Housing is getting more expensive. If Amazon comes it will bring some more families.

Oakridge is located in the Arlington Ridge neighborhood, so those students are its walkers. Do you mean Aurora Highlands? Small parts of that neighborhood are outside the current walk zone. All of the students in CC and Pentagon City are bus riders to Oakridge.

No kids S of Columbia Pike are in Fleet's walk zone, because CP is not a crossable road for ES students even if they are within the one mile walk shed, and there's no pedestrian bridge.

Randolph is not at 100% capacity, so it can take on more students without losing current ones. Same with Barcroft, but who knows what they are thinking with regard to option school locations.

I'll be very surprised if it's Oakridge and not Drew with the contorted boundaries. Based on their past behavior, I fully expect the SB to create a Drew "panhandle" down Glebe road to encompass all of Arna Valley, Long Branch Creek, and most importantly, the AH at the Berkeley, which is currently being doubled in size. Yes, they are all in the Oakridge walk zone and would need to be bussed under 395 to get to Drew. But those areas have less money than Aurora Highlands and Crystal/Pentagon City and won't put up even a fraction of the stink.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Not every planning unit South of the Pike is closest to Drew. Some are HB, at least one is Fleet. Oakridge is going to end up with wacky boundaries. They cannot just move the ArnavHeights (?) to Drew. Oakridge needs at least 200 kids to move to get back to near capacity. They could move parts of Pentagon City and Arlington Ridge to HB or maybe since most of Arlington Ridge busses then they will get moved to Drew? Either way Oakridge needs to shed over 1/4 to 1/3 of its boundaries/ students. No one really knows how many seats are open at HB, Drew, Fleet. Sure the board has some numbers but they have been wrong in the past. I predict 2019 will be a complete cluster and by 2020 they have to redo some of those school boundaries and despite policy some planning units will be affected twice. Randolph is on the list but it’s 100% filled with walkers so not sure how that can be adjusted other than moving some planning units away from it. Roslyn, Penrose, Arlington Village are bursting with toddlers. Traffic is only getting worse. Housing is getting more expensive. If Amazon comes it will bring some more families.

Oakridge is located in the Arlington Ridge neighborhood, so those students are its walkers. Do you mean Aurora Highlands? Small parts of that neighborhood are outside the current walk zone. All of the students in CC and Pentagon City are bus riders to Oakridge.

No kids S of Columbia Pike are in Fleet's walk zone, because CP is not a crossable road for ES students even if they are within the one mile walk shed, and there's no pedestrian bridge.

Randolph is not at 100% capacity, so it can take on more students without losing current ones. Same with Barcroft, but who knows what they are thinking with regard to option school locations.

I'll be very surprised if it's Oakridge and not Drew with the contorted boundaries. Based on their past behavior, I fully expect the SB to create a Drew "panhandle" down Glebe road to encompass all of Arna Valley, Long Branch Creek, and most importantly, the AH at the Berkeley, which is currently being doubled in size. Yes, they are all in the Oakridge walk zone and would need to be bussed under 395 to get to Drew. But those areas have less money than Aurora Highlands and Crystal/Pentagon City and won't put up even a fraction of the stink.

Yup. NP but following. I have a friend whose kids are at Oakridge and she has noted that the civic associations and/or PTA is already starting to rally the troops. Also, busing Aurora Highlands and Pentagon/Crystal Cities would literally drive the kids past Oakridge to get to Drew. I think they should do it anyway, but that will be the reason why they won't.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Not every planning unit South of the Pike is closest to Drew. Some are HB, at least one is Fleet. Oakridge is going to end up with wacky boundaries. They cannot just move the ArnavHeights (?) to Drew. Oakridge needs at least 200 kids to move to get back to near capacity. They could move parts of Pentagon City and Arlington Ridge to HB or maybe since most of Arlington Ridge busses then they will get moved to Drew? Either way Oakridge needs to shed over 1/4 to 1/3 of its boundaries/ students. No one really knows how many seats are open at HB, Drew, Fleet. Sure the board has some numbers but they have been wrong in the past. I predict 2019 will be a complete cluster and by 2020 they have to redo some of those school boundaries and despite policy some planning units will be affected twice. Randolph is on the list but it’s 100% filled with walkers so not sure how that can be adjusted other than moving some planning units away from it. Roslyn, Penrose, Arlington Village are bursting with toddlers. Traffic is only getting worse. Housing is getting more expensive. If Amazon comes it will bring some more families.

Oakridge is located in the Arlington Ridge neighborhood, so those students are its walkers. Do you mean Aurora Highlands? Small parts of that neighborhood are outside the current walk zone. All of the students in CC and Pentagon City are bus riders to Oakridge.

No kids S of Columbia Pike are in Fleet's walk zone, because CP is not a crossable road for ES students even if they are within the one mile walk shed, and there's no pedestrian bridge.

Randolph is not at 100% capacity, so it can take on more students without losing current ones. Same with Barcroft, but who knows what they are thinking with regard to option school locations.

I'll be very surprised if it's Oakridge and not Drew with the contorted boundaries. Based on their past behavior, I fully expect the SB to create a Drew "panhandle" down Glebe road to encompass all of Arna Valley, Long Branch Creek, and most importantly, the AH at the Berkeley, which is currently being doubled in size. Yes, they are all in the Oakridge walk zone and would need to be bussed under 395 to get to Drew. But those areas have less money than Aurora Highlands and Crystal/Pentagon City and won't put up even a fraction of the stink.

Yup. NP but following. I have a friend whose kids are at Oakridge and she has noted that the civic associations and/or PTA is already starting to rally the troops. Also, busing Aurora Highlands and Pentagon/Crystal Cities would literally drive the kids past Oakridge to get to Drew. I think they should do it anyway, but that will be the reason why they won't.

Bussing kids who live north of Oakridge past that school to Drew is not the alternative to bussing half of Oakridge's walkzone to Drew. The alternative is bussing the northern edge of the current Oakridge zone to Hoffman Boston. The real reason that arna valley and long branch creek will get the shaft is that they are poorer and less organized. There is no reasonable excuse for bussing half of oakridges walkzone - some of which can literally see the school out their bedroom windows. It's just about wealth and political power.

[Anonymous]

^^^ I don't think I understand your point.

Also, I'm not familiar with the numbers but my general take is Drew will have a lot more open seats than Hoffman-Boston given the Montessori move.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:^^^ I don't think I understand your point.

Also, I'm not familiar with the numbers but my general take is Drew will have a lot more open seats than Hoffman-Boston given the Montessori move.

A large chunk of HB students live in Nauck, and are bussed to HB; Nauck students have for years had the option of attending either Drew or HB. Once they are rezoned to Drew, that will open up space at HB. More space will be opened up when the chunk of Douglas park bounded by Pollard, Walter Reed, and 4mr that is currently zoned to HB is reassigned to randolph, which has room and is walkable from there. Those two thing would free up space at HB that Oakridge could use to alleviate overcrowding, without resorting to bussing kids out of its walk zone.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:^^^ I don't think I understand your point.

Also, I'm not familiar with the numbers but my general take is Drew will have a lot more open seats than Hoffman-Boston given the Montessori move.

A large chunk of HB students live in Nauck, and are bussed to HB; Nauck students have for years had the option of attending either Drew or HB. Once they are rezoned to Drew, that will open up space at HB. More space will be opened up when the chunk of Douglas park bounded by Pollard, Walter Reed, and 4mr that is currently zoned to HB is reassigned to randolph, which has room and is walkable from there. Those two thing would free up space at HB that Oakridge could use to alleviate overcrowding, without resorting to bussing kids out of its walk zone.

Is it the case they're going to pull current HB students out and send them to Drew? I was not aware of that. We live in Nauck and have a neighbor whose child goes to HB, they certainly have not heard anything about that.

In any event Drew is losing 450 Montessori students, which I imagine is substantially more than even the sum of those who opt into HB from the Drew zone and the future Randolph students.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:^^^ I don't think I understand your point.

Also, I'm not familiar with the numbers but my general take is Drew will have a lot more open seats than Hoffman-Boston given the Montessori move.

A large chunk of HB students live in Nauck, and are bussed to HB; Nauck students have for years had the option of attending either Drew or HB. Once they are rezoned to Drew, that will open up space at HB. More space will be opened up when the chunk of Douglas park bounded by Pollard, Walter Reed, and 4mr that is currently zoned to HB is reassigned to randolph, which has room and is walkable from there. Those two thing would free up space at HB that Oakridge could use to alleviate overcrowding, without resorting to bussing kids out of its walk zone.

The Drew boosters are eyeing that part of Douglas Park to be zoned FROM HB TO Drew.