Who said there isn't a North-South divide?

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Most of Alcova, if not all could walk to Fleet, easier than it could walk to Barcroft. But Barcroft is under capacity - so who goes there? Randolph is mostly walkers, and Barcroft civic is mostly walkers.

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Anonymous wrote:We'll see when the proposals come out, but I would bet money on key not moving. People need to realize that not moving key has effects on the rest of the county, especially with the asfs boundary staying fixed going forward. Looking at the other thread, it seems like the thought is to empty long branch to fleet, and move most of south of wilson to long branch. What do you south arlingtons think of that? Does that do anything to help with boundaries and disrupt poverty pockets?

Where did you hear that one? The PUs zoned to Henry are the ones that are mostly supposed to go to Fleet. I say mostly because some of them will certainly be zoned to Drew, because they were closer to Drew in the first place. I agree with others that it would be odd to send the PUs from Long Branch to Fleet, so free up more seats in Clarendon/Rosslyn, when Henry is bursting at the seams. Fleet will open at capacity.

Plus, I think Henry PTA would probably lay siege to Fleet if it were zoned as a school for people north of 50... I don't know what T-shirt color they've chosen though.

It was the consensus in the other boundary thread. People kept saying "long branch will make space there's no space in taylor". If you sum up the units in the current key, taylor, and long branch zones, you exceed the building capacities. You can likely assume that a certain percentage will keep on going to key because its close by, but since they only have one year of data, that seems like a risk.
APS really f'ed this up. I'll be curious to see what the proposals look like this fall.

Henry is at 143%. Taylor is at 98%. There may some land at play, but the Henry population as it exists will fill Fleet.

Isn't Reed supposed to take pressure off of the north schools?

Sorry, but ASFS zone currently has about 300 extra kids now that Key is no longer neighborhood -- before they even start adding a walk zone around ASFS! They need another school, and if they shift them all to Taylor it's utilization goes to 145% -- so if Key stays immersion, Long Branch has to be in the mix.

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Anonymous wrote:We'll see when the proposals come out, but I would bet money on key not moving. People need to realize that not moving key has effects on the rest of the county, especially with the asfs boundary staying fixed going forward. Looking at the other thread, it seems like the thought is to empty long branch to fleet, and move most of south of wilson to long branch. What do you south arlingtons think of that? Does that do anything to help with boundaries and disrupt poverty pockets?

Where did you hear that one? The PUs zoned to Henry are the ones that are mostly supposed to go to Fleet. I say mostly because some of them will certainly be zoned to Drew, because they were closer to Drew in the first place. I agree with others that it would be odd to send the PUs from Long Branch to Fleet, so free up more seats in Clarendon/Rosslyn, when Henry is bursting at the seams. Fleet will open at capacity.

Plus, I think Henry PTA would probably lay siege to Fleet if it were zoned as a school for people north of 50... I don't know what T-shirt color they've chosen though.

It was the consensus in the other boundary thread. People kept saying "long branch will make space there's no space in taylor". If you sum up the units in the current key, taylor, and long branch zones, you exceed the building capacities. You can likely assume that a certain percentage will keep on going to key because its close by, but since they only have one year of data, that seems like a risk.
APS really f'ed this up. I'll be curious to see what the proposals look like this fall.

Henry is at 143%. Taylor is at 98%. There may some land at play, but the Henry population as it exists will fill Fleet.

Isn't Reed supposed to take pressure off of the north schools?

Sorry, but ASFS zone currently has about 300 extra kids now that Key is no longer neighborhood -- before they even start adding a walk zone around ASFS! They need another school, and if they shift them all to Taylor it's utilization goes to 145% -- so if Key stays immersion, Long Branch has to be in the mix.

They'll shift all the kids on Ft Myer to Hoffman-Boston, since those families are transient, I bet. H-B is under capacity. Then move some kids to Long Branch.

The part of Henry south of the Pike is already going to go to Drew.

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Anonymous wrote:Most of Alcova, if not all could walk to Fleet, easier than it could walk to Barcroft. But Barcroft is under capacity - so who goes there? Randolph is mostly walkers, and Barcroft civic is mostly walkers.

Alcova can walk to both schools, so the question is really, should they be rezoned to a school that will open at or above capacity, or remain zoned to Barcroft, which is not at capacity?

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Anonymous wrote:Most of Alcova, if not all could walk to Fleet, easier than it could walk to Barcroft. But Barcroft is under capacity - so who goes there? Randolph is mostly walkers, and Barcroft civic is mostly walkers.

Alcova can walk to both schools, so the question is really, should they be rezoned to a school that will open at or above capacity, or remain zoned to Barcroft, which is not at capacity?

The most of Alcova can walk to Fleet faster than Barcroft, and Barcoft is up hill, both ways. When the walk zone study was done, many parents said they would drive to Barcroft but walk to Fleet or Henry.

Honestly, the capacity thing makes it silly to move Alcova, unless Barcroft really does become an option school.

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Anonymous wrote:We'll see when the proposals come out, but I would bet money on key not moving. People need to realize that not moving key has effects on the rest of the county, especially with the asfs boundary staying fixed going forward. Looking at the other thread, it seems like the thought is to empty long branch to fleet, and move most of south of wilson to long branch. What do you south arlingtons think of that? Does that do anything to help with boundaries and disrupt poverty pockets?

Where did you hear that one? The PUs zoned to Henry are the ones that are mostly supposed to go to Fleet. I say mostly because some of them will certainly be zoned to Drew, because they were closer to Drew in the first place. I agree with others that it would be odd to send the PUs from Long Branch to Fleet, so free up more seats in Clarendon/Rosslyn, when Henry is bursting at the seams. Fleet will open at capacity.

Plus, I think Henry PTA would probably lay siege to Fleet if it were zoned as a school for people north of 50... I don't know what T-shirt color they've chosen though.

It was the consensus in the other boundary thread. People kept saying "long branch will make space there's no space in taylor". If you sum up the units in the current key, taylor, and long branch zones, you exceed the building capacities. You can likely assume that a certain percentage will keep on going to key because its close by, but since they only have one year of data, that seems like a risk.
APS really f'ed this up. I'll be curious to see what the proposals look like this fall.

Henry is at 143%. Taylor is at 98%. There may some land at play, but the Henry population as it exists will fill Fleet.

Isn't Reed supposed to take pressure off of the north schools?

Sorry, but ASFS zone currently has about 300 extra kids now that Key is no longer neighborhood -- before they even start adding a walk zone around ASFS! They need another school, and if they shift them all to Taylor it's utilization goes to 145% -- so if Key stays immersion, Long Branch has to be in the mix.

Then more PUs than just the ones S of 50 have to move out of Long Branch. It's projected to be at 115% capacity this fall with the current boundary.

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Anonymous wrote:We'll see when the proposals come out, but I would bet money on key not moving. People need to realize that not moving key has effects on the rest of the county, especially with the asfs boundary staying fixed going forward. Looking at the other thread, it seems like the thought is to empty long branch to fleet, and move most of south of wilson to long branch. What do you south arlingtons think of that? Does that do anything to help with boundaries and disrupt poverty pockets?

Where did you hear that one? The PUs zoned to Henry are the ones that are mostly supposed to go to Fleet. I say mostly because some of them will certainly be zoned to Drew, because they were closer to Drew in the first place. I agree with others that it would be odd to send the PUs from Long Branch to Fleet, so free up more seats in Clarendon/Rosslyn, when Henry is bursting at the seams. Fleet will open at capacity.

Plus, I think Henry PTA would probably lay siege to Fleet if it were zoned as a school for people north of 50... I don't know what T-shirt color they've chosen though.

It was the consensus in the other boundary thread. People kept saying "long branch will make space there's no space in taylor". If you sum up the units in the current key, taylor, and long branch zones, you exceed the building capacities. You can likely assume that a certain percentage will keep on going to key because its close by, but since they only have one year of data, that seems like a risk.
APS really f'ed this up. I'll be curious to see what the proposals look like this fall.

Henry is at 143%. Taylor is at 98%. There may some land at play, but the Henry population as it exists will fill Fleet.

Isn't Reed supposed to take pressure off of the north schools?

Sorry, but ASFS zone currently has about 300 extra kids now that Key is no longer neighborhood -- before they even start adding a walk zone around ASFS! They need another school, and if they shift them all to Taylor it's utilization goes to 145% -- so if Key stays immersion, Long Branch has to be in the mix.

They'll shift all the kids on Ft Myer to Hoffman-Boston, since those families are transient, I bet. H-B is under capacity. Then move some kids to Long Branch.

The part of Henry south of the Pike is already going to go to Drew.

Hoffman-Boston is going to be interesting- it's the one school everyone is willing to be rezoned to. Henry south of 50 is going to fight for Hoffman-Boston (and the apartments on the east end of the Pike really should go there- they are much closer to H-B than Drew). Oakridge thinks they will send part of Pentagon City to H-B. Now moving parts of Long Branch to H-B?

The school board needs to start selling Drew- all new staff, all new program- to make Drew an attractive choice. Given the information and stats on the current graded program at Drew, I would rather send my kid to Carlin Springs or Randolph over Drew.

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Anonymous wrote:We'll see when the proposals come out, but I would bet money on key not moving. People need to realize that not moving key has effects on the rest of the county, especially with the asfs boundary staying fixed going forward. Looking at the other thread, it seems like the thought is to empty long branch to fleet, and move most of south of wilson to long branch. What do you south arlingtons think of that? Does that do anything to help with boundaries and disrupt poverty pockets?

Where did you hear that one? The PUs zoned to Henry are the ones that are mostly supposed to go to Fleet. I say mostly because some of them will certainly be zoned to Drew, because they were closer to Drew in the first place. I agree with others that it would be odd to send the PUs from Long Branch to Fleet, so free up more seats in Clarendon/Rosslyn, when Henry is bursting at the seams. Fleet will open at capacity.

Plus, I think Henry PTA would probably lay siege to Fleet if it were zoned as a school for people north of 50... I don't know what T-shirt color they've chosen though.

It was the consensus in the other boundary thread. People kept saying "long branch will make space there's no space in taylor". If you sum up the units in the current key, taylor, and long branch zones, you exceed the building capacities. You can likely assume that a certain percentage will keep on going to key because its close by, but since they only have one year of data, that seems like a risk.
APS really f'ed this up. I'll be curious to see what the proposals look like this fall.

Henry is at 143%. Taylor is at 98%. There may some land at play, but the Henry population as it exists will fill Fleet.

Isn't Reed supposed to take pressure off of the north schools?

Sorry, but ASFS zone currently has about 300 extra kids now that Key is no longer neighborhood -- before they even start adding a walk zone around ASFS! They need another school, and if they shift them all to Taylor it's utilization goes to 145% -- so if Key stays immersion, Long Branch has to be in the mix.

They'll shift all the kids on Ft Myer to Hoffman-Boston, since those families are transient, I bet. H-B is under capacity. Then move some kids to Long Branch.

The part of Henry south of the Pike is already going to go to Drew.

Hoffman-Boston is going to be interesting- it's the one school everyone is willing to be rezoned to. Henry south of 50 is going to fight for Hoffman-Boston (and the apartments on the east end of the Pike really should go there- they are much closer to H-B than Drew). Oakridge thinks they will send part of Pentagon City to H-B. Now moving parts of Long Branch to H-B?

The school board needs to start selling Drew- all new staff, all new program- to make Drew an attractive choice. Given the information and stats on the current graded program at Drew, I would rather send my kid to Carlin Springs or Randolph over Drew.

My guess is that the graded program at Drew suffered from a particular selection problem. Parents in Nauck, at the time the civic assn published those dismal test scores, were guaranteeteed admission to Drew's montessori program, and could also choose to go to H-B instead. Given that the graded program had like,100 students total (I think), it seems like it was mostly kids whose parents didn't know of the better options at their disposal (including the other option schools, too, of course.) Being out of the loop on such matters is probably highly correlated with poverty and lack of resources.

I'm curious if all the Nauck kids at Hoffman Boston will be rezoned back to Drew.

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I don’t think the fort myer kids currently at long branch are going to be happy going to h-b. Doesn’t that involve crossing 395 for them? They are all transient though so less likely to make a fuss.

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Anonymous wrote:I don’t think the fort myer kids currently at long branch are going to be happy going to h-b. Doesn’t that involve crossing 395 for them? They are all transient though so less likely to make a fuss.

They have to cross 50 now to go to Long Branch, so it's not like they are walking to school. I don't think they are in any walk zones, maybe they would have been to the old Henry, but not to Fleet. Again, that's still not enough kids to make space for the number they have to move out of the Key zone.

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Anonymous wrote:We'll see when the proposals come out, but I would bet money on key not moving. People need to realize that not moving key has effects on the rest of the county, especially with the asfs boundary staying fixed going forward. Looking at the other thread, it seems like the thought is to empty long branch to fleet, and move most of south of wilson to long branch. What do you south arlingtons think of that? Does that do anything to help with boundaries and disrupt poverty pockets?

Where did you hear that one? The PUs zoned to Henry are the ones that are mostly supposed to go to Fleet. I say mostly because some of them will certainly be zoned to Drew, because they were closer to Drew in the first place. I agree with others that it would be odd to send the PUs from Long Branch to Fleet, so free up more seats in Clarendon/Rosslyn, when Henry is bursting at the seams. Fleet will open at capacity.

Plus, I think Henry PTA would probably lay siege to Fleet if it were zoned as a school for people north of 50... I don't know what T-shirt color they've chosen though.

It was the consensus in the other boundary thread. People kept saying "long branch will make space there's no space in taylor". If you sum up the units in the current key, taylor, and long branch zones, you exceed the building capacities. You can likely assume that a certain percentage will keep on going to key because its close by, but since they only have one year of data, that seems like a risk.
APS really f'ed this up. I'll be curious to see what the proposals look like this fall.

Henry is at 143%. Taylor is at 98%. There may some land at play, but the Henry population as it exists will fill Fleet.

Isn't Reed supposed to take pressure off of the north schools?

Sorry, but ASFS zone currently has about 300 extra kids now that Key is no longer neighborhood -- before they even start adding a walk zone around ASFS! They need another school, and if they shift them all to Taylor it's utilization goes to 145% -- so if Key stays immersion, Long Branch has to be in the mix.

They'll shift all the kids on Ft Myer to Hoffman-Boston, since those families are transient, I bet. H-B is under capacity. Then move some kids to Long Branch.

The part of Henry south of the Pike is already going to go to Drew.

Hoffman-Boston is going to be interesting- it's the one school everyone is willing to be rezoned to. Henry south of 50 is going to fight for Hoffman-Boston (and the apartments on the east end of the Pike really should go there- they are much closer to H-B than Drew). Oakridge thinks they will send part of Pentagon City to H-B. Now moving parts of Long Branch to H-B?

The school board needs to start selling Drew- all new staff, all new program- to make Drew an attractive choice. Given the information and stats on the current graded program at Drew, I would rather send my kid to Carlin Springs or Randolph over Drew.

My guess is that the graded program at Drew suffered from a particular selection problem. Parents in Nauck, at the time the civic assn published those dismal test scores, were guaranteeteed admission to Drew's montessori program, and could also choose to go to H-B instead. Given that the graded program had like,100 students total (I think), it seems like it was mostly kids whose parents didn't know of the better options at their disposal (including the other option schools, too, of course.) Being out of the loop on such matters is probably highly correlated with poverty and lack of resources.

I'm curious if all the Nauck kids at Hoffman Boston will be rezoned back to Drew.

They also had preference to Claremont, above even siblings. The majority of "in-the-know" families availed themselves of these options.

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Anonymous wrote:I don’t think the fort myer kids currently at long branch are going to be happy going to h-b. Doesn’t that involve crossing 395 for them? They are all transient though so less likely to make a fuss.

They have to cross 50 now to go to Long Branch, so it's not like they are walking to school. I don't think they are in any walk zones, maybe they would have been to the old Henry, but not to Fleet. Again, that's still not enough kids to make space for the number they have to move out of the Key zone.

So LB can be split between HB and Fleet to make room for Key overflow? What a mess.

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APS does need to make Drew more attractive. Isn't the principal from H-B going to Drew? With all new programs, and the influx of UMCs from Henry and Oakridge, it could be a well balanced school, if people don't fight going there.

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Anonymous wrote:I don’t think the fort myer kids currently at long branch are going to be happy going to h-b. Doesn’t that involve crossing 395 for them? They are all transient though so less likely to make a fuss.

They have to cross 50 now to go to Long Branch, so it's not like they are walking to school. I don't think they are in any walk zones, maybe they would have been to the old Henry, but not to Fleet. Again, that's still not enough kids to make space for the number they have to move out of the Key zone.

Right, they are already bussed to Long Branch so it would be easy to switch them. It's been a long time since I heard about it, so not sure if it still the case, but used to be any family stationed at Ft. Myer could send their kids to Long Branch, even if they didn't live on base.

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Anonymous wrote:APS does need to make Drew more attractive. Isn't the principal from H-B going to Drew? With all new programs, and the influx of UMCs from Henry and Oakridge, it could be a well balanced school, if people don't fight going there.

"Could be" is the operative phrase. APS admin will be under pressure to drop the AH in the Oakridge walk zone on Drew's doorstep, because the alternative is sending wealthier families out of Oakridge to HB. Those kids are getting busssd now anyway, but I expect they'll complain and the AH families won't, because they probably are completely unaware the boundaries are being shifted. That would be a disaster for Drew. UMC buy-in at Drew hinges on one and only one thing: the estimated farms rate. If it's above 50 percent, UMC will bail and it will spiral up to 70 or higher. Nauck is not Douglas Park. There are many homes that have long since been paid off and been inherited by children and grandchildren. That is why, despite being mostly duplexes and SFH that sell relatively high, Nauck has a poverty rate that rivals that of Buckingham. It already has all the farms. It really, really doesn't need it made worse by the elementary boundary process..

The principal from HB is by all accounts wonderful, but she had the wind at her back there ... a gentrifying neighborhood with a falling farms rate, and the Mongolian population at the school places a lot of value on education. At Drew she's going to face a very different situation, and frankly, a more complex and harder one compounded by history. I think she's up to the task but I think it'd be critical that she have the resources that UMC families bring to a school. That won't happen if APS draws inequitable boundaries.