Walz vs. Vance: VP Debate Oct 1 2024

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Walz's closing statement was bad. Selling rainbows and sunshine.. invoking Taylor Swift even though she told people to make their own decisions.

Vance made his case concretely, stating people's real specific concerns, and got the last word. Believe him or not, he hit the target dead center for people concerned about their own immediate lives, not theoretically abstractions.

She specifically endorsed Harris-Walz. There was nothing wrong with his close.

Also Dick Cheney???? Not a very positive person.

Independents or moderate republicans might like him.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Vance nailed it. Not that the debate will change anything, but I for one feel much better in the event Trump wins.

Nailed what? Endless lies?

He blew off Jan 6 as a first amendment issue and suggested gun safety in schools will be improved by building stronger doors and more armed guards that immigrants are responsible for the affordable housing crisis / a lot of what he said was ridiculous but he said it calmly and respectfully.

I did appreciate they were both civil and that Vance seems sane compared to Trump

But Vance did not nail the debate.

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Anonymous wrote:Let's get this right. Settlers came to America and built something. Immigrants came to something that was already built.

Were you around in the 1700s? Or, like the rest of us, were you born in the late 1900s when things were already built? Or did you have a different point!

Doesn't matter. It seems that how your ancestors came affects your philosophy on the issue. Descendants of immigrants think this country is a nation of immigrants, established unorganically and very deliberately to create opportunities for people from other countries to make money and support their immediate families and their families back home monetarily. Those not descendant from immigrants, we think differently.

Which tribal nation do you belong to?

DP.

My spouse and kids are all registered members of a federally recognized tribe.

All the rest of you are violent undocumented immigrants.

Funny that you want to slam the door shut now. 😂

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Anonymous wrote:Let's get this right. Settlers came to America and built something. Immigrants came to something that was already built.

+1

Wow the DAR snobs out in force tonight. I’m proud descendent of 19th and 20th century immigrants who came to a country where previous arrivals had built something, and who helped to build something even better, working in factories and building America’s bridges and roads to create the world’s greatest economy.

Exactly. What happened to the melting pot? Our diversity is our strength. These fools are just swallowing the GOP fear-pie.

That was my post but I’ll add the my Italian immigrant uncles signed up, to the man, all six of them, to fight in WW2, including in the Battle of the Bulge and one spent a year in a German POW camp. Then came back and did back breaking work on the booming post war economy. So I don’t want to hear it from PP about who built this country. And I’m sure almost everyone in this board has a similar story (if they know their family history) of immigrants who build this country.

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Vance has more than a little of that Bill Clinton "Slick Willy" vibe

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Anonymous wrote:“You should be able to control your own body”

Unless it’s in regards to being forced to get experimental jabs.

I’m sorry - I don’t recall being forced to have a vaccine. Do you?

As a federal employee, I was.

As a federal employee, I was not.

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Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:Let's get this right. Settlers came to America and built something. Immigrants came to something that was already built.

+1

Wow the DAR snobs out in force tonight. I’m proud descendent of 19th and 20th century immigrants who came to a country where previous arrivals had built something, and who helped to build something even better, working in factories and building America’s bridges and roads to create the world’s greatest economy.

That's cool, doesn't mean we are at our foundation a nation of immigrants and should allow for mass immigration now. None of this means that immigration never happened. Just means that plenty of us are not immigrants or descendant from immigrants, and do not have warm fuzzy feeling about immigration.

Why won't you answer which tribal nation you belong to?

One, I don't have to answer any of your questions, and two, I am talking about the nation and the establishment of a government, not simply land.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Let's get this right. Settlers came to America and built something. Immigrants came to something that was already built.

+1

Wow the DAR snobs out in force tonight. I’m proud descendent of 19th and 20th century immigrants who came to a country where previous arrivals had built something, and who helped to build something even better, working in factories and building America’s bridges and roads to create the world’s greatest economy.

Exactly. What happened to the melting pot? Our diversity is our strength. These fools are just swallowing the GOP fear-pie.

There is no melting pot. Where are people blending together? It is ok to admit immigrants come to advanced the interests of their own families, not the nation as a whole. Remember, we are always told they are so "family oriented".

JD Vance melted in Usha's pot. Mitch McConnell melted in Elaine Chao's pot.
Donald Trump melted in Melania's pot.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Walz's closing statement was bad. Selling rainbows and sunshine.. invoking Taylor Swift even though she told people to make their own decisions.

Vance made his case concretely, stating people's real specific concerns, and got the last word. Believe him or not, he hit the target dead center for people concerned about their own immediate lives, not theoretically abstractions.

Vance did not seem to believe the story he was selling. Even his closing remarks - sort said he didn't really care who you vote for.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Let's get this right. Settlers came to America and built something. Immigrants came to something that was already built.

+1

Wow the DAR snobs out in force tonight. I’m proud descendent of 19th and 20th century immigrants who came to a country where previous arrivals had built something, and who helped to build something even better, working in factories and building America’s bridges and roads to create the world’s greatest economy.

Exactly. What happened to the melting pot? Our diversity is our strength. These fools are just swallowing the GOP fear-pie.

That was my post but I’ll add the my Italian immigrant uncles signed up, to the man, all six of them, to fight in WW2, including in the Battle of the Bulge and one spent a year in a German POW camp. Then came back and did back breaking work on the booming post war economy. So I don’t want to hear it from PP about who built this country. And I’m sure almost everyone in this board has a similar story (if they know their family history) of immigrants who build this country.

Nope, I am not related to any immigrants. Not a single one.

[Anonymous]

Wow, the fact check on JD Vance is simply brutal. But hey, his eye liner looks good, right?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Let's get this right. Settlers came to America and built something. Immigrants came to something that was already built.

+1

Wow the DAR snobs out in force tonight. I’m proud descendent of 19th and 20th century immigrants who came to a country where previous arrivals had built something, and who helped to build something even better, working in factories and building America’s bridges and roads to create the world’s greatest economy.

That's cool, doesn't mean we are at our foundation a nation of immigrants and should allow for mass immigration now. None of this means that immigration never happened. Just means that plenty of us are not immigrants or descendant from immigrants, and do not have warm fuzzy feeling about immigration.

Why won't you answer which tribal nation you belong to?

One, I don't have to answer any of your questions, and two, I am talking about the nation and the establishment of a government, not simply land.

Yeah, we know. Immigration starts the minute after your immigrant ancestor arrived.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Tim "I was a knucklehead" Walz. Oi vey.

I can’t wait for the TikTok and Instagram memes.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Let's get this right. Settlers came to America and built something. Immigrants came to something that was already built.

Were you around in the 1700s? Or, like the rest of us, were you born in the late 1900s when things were already built? Or did you have a different point!

Doesn't matter. It seems that how your ancestors came affects your philosophy on the issue. Descendants of immigrants think this country is a nation of immigrants, established unorganically and very deliberately to create opportunities for people from other countries to make money and support their immediate families and their families back home monetarily. Those not descendant from immigrants, we think differently.

Which tribal nation do you belong to?

DP.

My spouse and kids are all registered members of a federally recognized tribe.

All the rest of you are violent undocumented immigrants.

Funny that you want to slam the door shut now. 😂

This is about the nation and government of the U.S., not land.

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Walz parried Vance’s argument that online censorship caused the Jan. 6 uprising at the Capitol: “Facebook ads did not cause Jan. 6.”

Katie Rogers
Oct. 1, 2024, 10:38 p.m. ET18 minutes ago
Katie Rogers

And the geniality just went out the window. Vance declined to answer a question from Walz about whether Trump lost the 2020 election. Vance goes back to censorship. “That is a damning nonanswer,” Walz says.