The REAL issue with the proposals to shift boundaries & how MCPS can fix it

[Anonymous]

The unspoken issue and reason for parental alarm is due to a lack of discipline and control in MCPS schools. People in the Ws are afraid that kids from less wealthy areas will come with more issues that could harm there own kids, such as disruptive behavior in the classroom and throughout the school, including catcalling, physical and emotional violence.

The fact is, MCPS must drop its “no consequences” behavioural conduct system before people in low poverty schools will be welcome. Living in this area for years, I cannot believe the issue is skin color. Most of these same residents voted for Ike Leggett and Barack Obama, for pete’s sake. The issue is that if these kids come and bring bad behavior with them, the existing neighborhood schools will suffer.

Feedback?

[Anonymous]

Why do you need another thread on this? 108 pages elsewhere. Same topic.

[Anonymous]

Feedback: it's possible to have bigoted beliefs and also have voted for Ike Leggett and Barack Obama.

[Anonymous]

I never thought it was about race, as much as some posters on DCUM vociferously claim it is.

I think it's about families' educational expectations, and their fear that lower-income families will not encourage their children as much and that therefore the school cohort will not be as academically motivated as before.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The unspoken issue and reason for parental alarm is due to a lack of discipline and control in MCPS schools. People in the Ws are afraid that kids from less wealthy areas will come with more issues that could harm there own kids, such as disruptive behavior in the classroom and throughout the school, including catcalling, physical and emotional violence.

The fact is, MCPS must drop its “no consequences” behavioural conduct system before people in low poverty schools will be welcome. Living in this area for years, I cannot believe the issue is skin color. Most of these same residents voted for Ike Leggett and Barack Obama, for pete’s sake. The issue is that if these kids come and bring bad behavior with them, the existing neighborhood schools will suffer.

Feedback?

Wow. Just don't even know where to start.

So, are you implying there are no disciplinary issues at the "W" schools (and should we go ahead and include BCC while we're at it)?

And when you say "before people in low poverty schools will be welcome" what exactly do you mean? Welcome where? In MCPS? In a W school? This is a public school system.


These threads are becoming so tiresome. Are you all even listening to the kids and what they want? Are you hearing what parents are saying? It's absolutely disgusting and saddening.

https://bethesdamagazine.com/bethesda-beat/schools/mcps-superintendent-we-need-to-talk-about-students-respectfully/

During a public meeting last week about the yearlong study, some parents raised concerns about students at lower-performing schools not being able to achieve at higher-performing schools and said white families are 'being punished' for 'working hard and doing well and choosing to live in a certain community.'

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"Tadikonda, a senior at Richard Montgomery High School, said students were 'very, very disturbed and upset' about the comments made during the last boundary study meeting.

'We need to be clear these are the remarks of some, but in no way are a reflection of our values as a school system,” Tadikonda said during Tuesday’s meeting. “Everyone deserves a chance and nothing, nothing, you are born with should limit your opportunities for education and success.'”

[Anonymous]

I can't even with you, OP.

1. Just because someone voted for Democrats doesn't mean they're not racist. You are a case in point.

2. Poor kids are not inherently less well-behaved or violent than rich kids. See: the Stanford swimmer who sexually assaulted a girl behind a dumpster, or any number of Duke lacrosse players.

3. You need basic grammar classes because you don't know the difference between there and their.

[Anonymous]

Yes, W kids are perfect angels, or if they act up it's because they have SN, but when poor kids act up it's because of terrible parenting and/or kids are just bad.

Nevermind that a rich kid in a W school was arrested for drug dealing. I'm sure this was MCPS' fault, too.

Feedback: please join the other many threads about this and have the moderator lock this thread.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:
I never thought it was about race, as much as some posters on DCUM vociferously claim it is.

I think it's about families' educational expectations, and their fear that lower-income families will not encourage their children as much and that therefore the school cohort will not be as academically motivated as before.

You know what? Fk you.

My grandparents were all lower-income immigrants from Eastern Europe and Japan. They worked their butts off to achieve a better life than their parents had.

You have some nerve saying lower-income families don't value education as much as richer families do. If anything they value it MORE because they understand it's the only way for their kids to have a better life than they have.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Yes, W kids are perfect angels, or if they act up it's because they have SN, but when poor kids act up it's because of terrible parenting and/or kids are just bad.

Nevermind that a rich kid in a W school was arrested for drug dealing. I'm sure this was MCPS' fault, too.

Feedback: please join the other many threads about this and have the moderator lock this thread.

Well, except when they're on the bus. Or so I read on DCUM this morning. See, it's all true what they've been saying about busing!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Anonymous]

From my experience with MCCPTA, it was the families in the east that were most concerned and vocal about the problems with MCPS no discipline policy and putting violent kids back in the classroom. The W parents were clueless to the entire issue.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The unspoken issue and reason for parental alarm is due to a lack of discipline and control in MCPS schools. People in the Ws are afraid that kids from less wealthy areas will come with more issues that could harm there own kids, such as disruptive behavior in the classroom and throughout the school, including catcalling, physical and emotional violence.

The fact is, MCPS must drop its “no consequences” behavioural conduct system before people in low poverty schools will be welcome. Living in this area for years, I cannot believe the issue is skin color. Most of these same residents voted for Ike Leggett and Barack Obama, for pete’s sake. The issue is that if these kids come and bring bad behavior with them, the existing neighborhood schools will suffer.

Feedback?

Wow. Just don't even know where to start.

So, are you implying there are no disciplinary issues at the "W" schools (and should we go ahead and include BCC while we're at it)?

And when you say "before people in low poverty schools will be welcome" what exactly do you mean? Welcome where? In MCPS? In a W school? This is a public school system.


These threads are becoming so tiresome. Are you all even listening to the kids and what they want? Are you hearing what parents are saying? It's absolutely disgusting and saddening.

https://bethesdamagazine.com/bethesda-beat/schools/mcps-superintendent-we-need-to-talk-about-students-respectfully/

During a public meeting last week about the yearlong study, some parents raised concerns about students at lower-performing schools not being able to achieve at higher-performing schools and said white families are 'being punished' for 'working hard and doing well and choosing to live in a certain community.'

....

"Tadikonda, a senior at Richard Montgomery High School, said students were 'very, very disturbed and upset' about the comments made during the last boundary study meeting.

'We need to be clear these are the remarks of some, but in no way are a reflection of our values as a school system,” Tadikonda said during Tuesday’s meeting. “Everyone deserves a chance and nothing, nothing, you are born with should limit your opportunities for education and success.'”

Great!

Why don't we give everyone a chance o try out TJ?
Why limit the admission based on test and/or performance? Why can't low performing students have the opportunity to better and more advanced education?
Oh, there are existing standards? Why can't we change them? Everyone deserves a chance and nothing, nothing, you are born with should limit your opportunities for education and success!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
I never thought it was about race, as much as some posters on DCUM vociferously claim it is.

I think it's about families' educational expectations, and their fear that lower-income families will not encourage their children as much and that therefore the school cohort will not be as academically motivated as before.

You know what? Fk you.

My grandparents were all lower-income immigrants from Eastern Europe and Japan. They worked their butts off to achieve a better life than their parents had.

You have some nerve saying lower-income families don't value education as much as richer families do. If anything they value it MORE because they understand it's the only way for their kids to have a better life than they have.

Same here except from Europe. Raised their kids in poor and blue collar neighborhoods and most of them went on to higher education and led successful lives. Lots of poor families have always put a high value on education.

[Anonymous]

W parent here. I totally agree that the "no consequences" policy needs to be changed, for all, because it's absurd. I also think we need to bring back final exams, etc. None of our kids are being properly prepared for college, regardless of family income level.

I disagree that kids from lower income families are likely to be more disruptive. I am not remotely concerned about my daughters being subject to more inappropriate behavior were they to be in school with more kids from lower income families. I definitely don't give a rat's ass about race.

I have no objection to any boundary changes yet, because no specifics have been proposed. Any objection I may have in the future will be solely to any proposal that results in an unreasonable bus ride for my kids. They already don't get enough sleep as it is, and getting up 30-60 minutes earlier to catch the bus is the last thing they need.

That's it. Any boundary change that keeps bus time about the same (or shorter) is fine with me. Don't care who else is in their class. Any option that has my kids on a bus for 30+ minutes, when we live 5 min from their current school, I will oppose. That's my real issue.

[Anonymous]

Please don’t try to speak for all W parents. You don’t. The stereotype and divisions you are trying to create are really harmful. And you’re wrong.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Please don’t try to speak for all W parents. You don’t. The stereotypes and divisions you are trying to create are really harmful. And you’re wrong.

This is directed at the obnoxious OP, not PP who is a W parent (with whom I agree wholeheartedly).