The REAL issue with the proposals to shift boundaries & how MCPS can fix it

[Anonymous]

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But that is exactly what MCPS is proposing to the whole county. When a large number of AA and Hispanics cluster up together they form a toxic environment that neither group can succeed in. So in order to rectify the situation they need the presence of white and Asians to detoxify the school environment. That is the exact message that studies after studies have shown. It’s sad that AA and Hispanics can’t seem to get it together enough to create a successful school.

No, it's not. What MCPS is proposing to do is to pay a consultant to analyze the possibility of adjusting school boundaries to even out capacity and demographics.

Take your bigotry elsewhere.

Sadly, I must agree with the PP that I am hearing the same message as well. Moreover, I will assert that neither the PP nor I believe that message to be correct. Students on FARMs and of AA / Hispanic descent are brilliant, expressive, amazing human beings. The MCPS narrative that they are unable to succeed unless you add white students to their classroom if offensive.

Eh. The DCUM narrative that your children will suffer and your property values will plummet if there are more poor black and Latino students in your children's schools - that's what I find offensive.

You do not think that is one of the factors why houses are more expensive in Bethesda, Potomac, Rockville etc when compared to Silver Spring or Wheaton?

The cognitive dissonance here is enough to give a person a headache. Students on FARMs and with black or Latino heritage are brilliant and can succeed, and anybody who says otherwise is offensive! Also, students on FARMs and with black or Latino heritage will lower property values! Huh?

[Anonymous]

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But that is exactly what MCPS is proposing to the whole county. When a large number of AA and Hispanics cluster up together they form a toxic environment that neither group can succeed in. So in order to rectify the situation they need the presence of white and Asians to detoxify the school environment. That is the exact message that studies after studies have shown. It’s sad that AA and Hispanics can’t seem to get it together enough to create a successful school.

No, it's not. What MCPS is proposing to do is to pay a consultant to analyze the possibility of adjusting school boundaries to even out capacity and demographics.

Take your bigotry elsewhere.

Sadly, I must agree with the PP that I am hearing the same message as well. Moreover, I will assert that neither the PP nor I believe that message to be correct. Students on FARMs and of AA / Hispanic descent are brilliant, expressive, amazing human beings. The MCPS narrative that they are unable to succeed unless you add white students to their classroom if offensive.

Eh. The DCUM narrative that your children will suffer and your property values will plummet if there are more poor black and Latino students in your children's schools - that's what I find offensive.

You do not think that is one of the factors why houses are more expensive in Bethesda, Potomac, Rockville etc when compared to Silver Spring or Wheaton?

The cognitive dissonance here is enough to give a person a headache. Students on FARMs and with black or Latino heritage are brilliant and can succeed, and anybody who says otherwise is offensive! Also, students on FARMs and with black or Latino heritage will lower property values! Huh?

So the only reason the Achievement Gap exists is because they live in less expansive houses and not surrounded by rich and midddle class students? By the way, after reading all the posts in this thread and others in this forum, I found the middle class white kids in W schools are equially disruptive, disrespectful, lazy and with parents who dont care their own kids. The only difference beween the poor kids and the rich kids is that the rich families pay tutors so their kids can pass all the test but the poor families cannot. Maybe MCPS could add a tutoring tax on middle class families so they can hire privator tutor to coach the kids from poor families. I support diversity in school and would like to see school admin force lunch room table mixing first. If anyone walk into a high school or middle school cafeteria, you can fine and most of lunch room tables are segregated.

[Anonymous]

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But that is exactly what MCPS is proposing to the whole county. When a large number of AA and Hispanics cluster up together they form a toxic environment that neither group can succeed in. So in order to rectify the situation they need the presence of white and Asians to detoxify the school environment. That is the exact message that studies after studies have shown. It’s sad that AA and Hispanics can’t seem to get it together enough to create a successful school.

No, it's not. What MCPS is proposing to do is to pay a consultant to analyze the possibility of adjusting school boundaries to even out capacity and demographics.

Take your bigotry elsewhere.

Sadly, I must agree with the PP that I am hearing the same message as well. Moreover, I will assert that neither the PP nor I believe that message to be correct. Students on FARMs and of AA / Hispanic descent are brilliant, expressive, amazing human beings. The MCPS narrative that they are unable to succeed unless you add white students to their classroom if offensive.

Eh. The DCUM narrative that your children will suffer and your property values will plummet if there are more poor black and Latino students in your children's schools - that's what I find offensive.

You do not think that is one of the factors why houses are more expensive in Bethesda, Potomac, Rockville etc when compared to Silver Spring or Wheaton?

The cognitive dissonance here is enough to give a person a headache. Students on FARMs and with black or Latino heritage are brilliant and can succeed, and anybody who says otherwise is offensive! Also, students on FARMs and with black or Latino heritage will lower property values! Huh?

So the only reason the Achievement Gap exists is because they live in less expansive houses and not surrounded by rich and midddle class students? By the way, after reading all the posts in this thread and others in this forum, I found the middle class white kids in W schools are equially disruptive, disrespectful, lazy and with parents who dont care their own kids. The only difference beween the poor kids and the rich kids is that the rich families pay tutors so their kids can pass all the test but the poor families cannot. Maybe MCPS could add a tutoring tax on middle class families so they can hire privator tutor to coach the kids from poor families. I support diversity in school and would like to see school admin force lunch room table mixing first. If anyone walk into a high school or middle school cafeteria, you can fine and most of lunch room tables are segregated.

same can be said of MS

But by the time the kids get to HS, where there's more freedom, those who don't receive free lunches are eating elsewhere.

You can't force kids to mix; that's a fact. a sad fact, but a fact

[Anonymous]

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same can be said of MS

But by the time the kids get to HS, where there's more freedom, those who don't receive free lunches are eating elsewhere.

You can't force kids to mix; that's a fact. a sad fact, but a fact

I told my HS kid the other day that DCUM says that she only hangs out with people who look like her. She thought that was funny. Why? Because it's not true.

[Anonymous]

Exactly. The high income folks hire cleaners, etc. so they can spend non-work hours with their children. Poor working parents can’t do that. I think mentorship by the well off kids is a great idea, although they should be a year or two older. A “big brother/sister” from the same grade might be a bit, ummm, awkward.

not so sure about your statement

There are plenty of two-income HH where parents spend time with their kids. I certainly don't hire cleaners. We cook, clean, and care for our kids - and we both work FT.

Yes, very poor families struggle. That's a given. But I don't agree that wealthy kids should be mentors for those who struggle. In my experiences, empathy is lacking, and simply assigning a wealthy kid to a poor child isn't a way to develop empathy.

Wealthy parents have a cushion that will always act as a barrier - a protective shield that will only allow them to help so much. Poor children are not "projects" for wealthy kids.

[Anonymous]

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Exactly. The high income folks hire cleaners, etc. so they can spend non-work hours with their children. Poor working parents can’t do that. I think mentorship by the well off kids is a great idea, although they should be a year or two older. A “big brother/sister” from the same grade might be a bit, ummm, awkward.

not so sure about your statement

There are plenty of two-income HH where parents spend time with their kids. I certainly don't hire cleaners. We cook, clean, and care for our kids - and we both work FT.

Yes, very poor families struggle. That's a given. But I don't agree that wealthy kids should be mentors for those who struggle. In my experiences, empathy is lacking, and simply assigning a wealthy kid to a poor child isn't a way to develop empathy.

Wealthy parents have a cushion that will always act as a barrier - a protective shield that will only allow them to help so much. Poor children are not "projects" for wealthy kids.

Then don’t treat high performing kids as little pieces of resources you can shuffle around to sit a classroom next to low performing kids to inspire them to work hard in school and call it “a diversity initiative.” Low performers aren’t low performers because of a lack of diversity, they are low performers because they don’t work hard in school. It’s as simple as that.

[Anonymous]

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Then don’t treat high performing kids as little pieces of resources you can shuffle around to sit a classroom next to low performing kids to inspire them to work hard in school and call it “a diversity initiative.” Low performers aren’t low performers because of a lack of diversity, they are low performers because they don’t work hard in school. It’s as simple as that.

Good news! Nobody is doing that. The discussion is about diversity of demorgraphy, not diversity of test scores.

[Anonymous]

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Then don’t treat high performing kids as little pieces of resources you can shuffle around to sit a classroom next to low performing kids to inspire them to work hard in school and call it “a diversity initiative.” Low performers aren’t low performers because of a lack of diversity, they are low performers because they don’t work hard in school. It’s as simple as that.

Good news! Nobody is doing that. The discussion is about diversity of demorgraphy, not diversity of test scores.

Demographics and test scores are very much connected, my dear.

[Anonymous]

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Then don’t treat high performing kids as little pieces of resources you can shuffle around to sit a classroom next to low performing kids to inspire them to work hard in school and call it “a diversity initiative.” Low performers aren’t low performers because of a lack of diversity, they are low performers because they don’t work hard in school. It’s as simple as that.

Good news! Nobody is doing that. The discussion is about diversity of demorgraphy, not diversity of test scores.

Demographics and test scores are very much connected, my dear.

Tell that to the people who keep insisting that this is not! NOT! NOT!!!! about demography, but rather purely about test scores.

[Anonymous]

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Then don’t treat high performing kids as little pieces of resources you can shuffle around to sit a classroom next to low performing kids to inspire them to work hard in school and call it “a diversity initiative.” Low performers aren’t low performers because of a lack of diversity, they are low performers because they don’t work hard in school. It’s as simple as that.

Good news! Nobody is doing that. The discussion is about diversity of demorgraphy, not diversity of test scores.

Demographics and test scores are very much connected, my dear.

Tell that to the people who keep insisting that this is not! NOT! NOT!!!! about demography, but rather purely about test scores.

It’s demographics not demography.

[Anonymous]

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Then don’t treat high performing kids as little pieces of resources you can shuffle around to sit a classroom next to low performing kids to inspire them to work hard in school and call it “a diversity initiative.” Low performers aren’t low performers because of a lack of diversity, they are low performers because they don’t work hard in school. It’s as simple as that.

Good news! Nobody is doing that. The discussion is about diversity of demorgraphy, not diversity of test scores.

They are in fact DOING that!

[Anonymous]

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Then don’t treat high performing kids as little pieces of resources you can shuffle around to sit a classroom next to low performing kids to inspire them to work hard in school and call it “a diversity initiative.” Low performers aren’t low performers because of a lack of diversity, they are low performers because they don’t work hard in school. It’s as simple as that.

Good news! Nobody is doing that. The discussion is about diversity of demorgraphy, not diversity of test scores.

They are in fact DOING that!

They are in fact DOING that, how?

This is how MCPS defines it:

School Demographic Profile includes the racial/ethnic composition of a
school’s student population, the percentage of students participating in the
Free and Reduced-price Meals System (FARMS) and English for Speakers
of Other Languages (ESOL) programs, and school mobility rates.

I don't see anything in there about test scores. Do you?

[Anonymous]

As I sit here in my large Potomac or River road house, or my expensive condo in Chevy Chase or Friendship Heights, I think to myself, MCPS should really be redrawing borders so that there is more integration. I can do that because there are no apartments near my house and my neighborhood is socioeconomically homogeneous. #ProudSJW #Nopurpleline #NIMBY #Nometro

[Anonymous]

Given the homosexual rape-with-a-foreign-object at Damascus, I wouldn't want my kids there either.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:As I sit here in my large Potomac or River road house, or my expensive condo in Chevy Chase or Friendship Heights, I think to myself, MCPS should really be redrawing borders so that there is more integration. I can do that because there are no apartments near my house and my neighborhood is socioeconomically homogeneous. #ProudSJW #Nopurpleline #NIMBY #Nometro

Nah. You're thinking to yourself, "But my property values!!!!!!!"