The REAL issue with the proposals to shift boundaries & how MCPS can fix it

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:From my experience with MCCPTA, it was the families in the east that were most concerned and vocal about the problems with MCPS no discipline policy and putting violent kids back in the classroom. The W parents were clueless to the entire issue.

OP here. Bingo. FWIW, I came from what was called “a broken home,” “wrong side of railroad tracks” and benefited from just this type of integration. BUT the level of misbehaviour and abuse was negligible compared to today.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The unspoken issue and reason for parental alarm is due to a lack of discipline and control in MCPS schools. People in the Ws are afraid that kids from less wealthy areas will come with more issues that could harm there own kids, such as disruptive behavior in the classroom and throughout the school, including catcalling, physical and emotional violence.

The fact is, MCPS must drop its “no consequences” behavioural conduct system before people in low poverty schools will be welcome. Living in this area for years, I cannot believe the issue is skin color. Most of these same residents voted for Ike Leggett and Barack Obama, for pete’s sake. The issue is that if these kids come and bring bad behavior with them, the existing neighborhood schools will suffer.

Feedback?

Wow. Just don't even know where to start.

So, are you implying there are no disciplinary issues at the "W" schools (and should we go ahead and include BCC while we're at it)?

And when you say "before people in low poverty schools will be welcome" what exactly do you mean? Welcome where? In MCPS? In a W school? This is a public school system.


These threads are becoming so tiresome. Are you all even listening to the kids and what they want? Are you hearing what parents are saying? It's absolutely disgusting and saddening.

https://bethesdamagazine.com/bethesda-beat/schools/mcps-superintendent-we-need-to-talk-about-students-respectfully/

During a public meeting last week about the yearlong study, some parents raised concerns about students at lower-performing schools not being able to achieve at higher-performing schools and said white families are 'being punished' for 'working hard and doing well and choosing to live in a certain community.'

....

"Tadikonda, a senior at Richard Montgomery High School, said students were 'very, very disturbed and upset' about the comments made during the last boundary study meeting.

'We need to be clear these are the remarks of some, but in no way are a reflection of our values as a school system,” Tadikonda said during Tuesday’s meeting. “Everyone deserves a chance and nothing, nothing, you are born with should limit your opportunities for education and success.'”

Great!

Why don't we give everyone a chance o try out TJ?
Why limit the admission based on test and/or performance? Why can't low performing students have the opportunity to better and more advanced education?
Oh, there are existing standards? Why can't we change them? Everyone deserves a chance and nothing, nothing, you are born with should limit your opportunities for education and success!

Ok, so you're from Virginia. I think that might disqualify you from a conversation about Maryland public schools... just sayin' - you got no dog in this race so go elsewhere to troll.

[Anonymous]

I also find OP’s spelling of “misbehaviour” curious. Don’t think you’re from MoCo OP. Move along please.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The unspoken issue and reason for parental alarm is due to a lack of discipline and control in MCPS schools. People in the Ws are afraid that kids from less wealthy areas will come with more issues that could harm there own kids, such as disruptive behavior in the classroom and throughout the school, including catcalling, physical and emotional violence.

The fact is, MCPS must drop its “no consequences” behavioural conduct system before people in low poverty schools will be welcome. Living in this area for years, I cannot believe the issue is skin color. Most of these same residents voted for Ike Leggett and Barack Obama, for pete’s sake. The issue is that if these kids come and bring bad behavior with them, the existing neighborhood schools will suffer.

Feedback?

Wow. Just don't even know where to start.

So, are you implying there are no disciplinary issues at the "W" schools (and should we go ahead and include BCC while we're at it)?

And when you say "before people in low poverty schools will be welcome" what exactly do you mean? Welcome where? In MCPS? In a W school? This is a public school system.


These threads are becoming so tiresome. Are you all even listening to the kids and what they want? Are you hearing what parents are saying? It's absolutely disgusting and saddening.

https://bethesdamagazine.com/bethesda-beat/schools/mcps-superintendent-we-need-to-talk-about-students-respectfully/

During a public meeting last week about the yearlong study, some parents raised concerns about students at lower-performing schools not being able to achieve at higher-performing schools and said white families are 'being punished' for 'working hard and doing well and choosing to live in a certain community.'

....

"Tadikonda, a senior at Richard Montgomery High School, said students were 'very, very disturbed and upset' about the comments made during the last boundary study meeting.

'We need to be clear these are the remarks of some, but in no way are a reflection of our values as a school system,” Tadikonda said during Tuesday’s meeting. “Everyone deserves a chance and nothing, nothing, you are born with should limit your opportunities for education and success.'”

Great!

Why don't we give everyone a chance o try out TJ?
Why limit the admission based on test and/or performance? Why can't low performing students have the opportunity to better and more advanced education?
Oh, there are existing standards? Why can't we change them? Everyone deserves a chance and nothing, nothing, you are born with should limit your opportunities for education and success!

Ok, so you're from Virginia. I think that might disqualify you from a conversation about Maryland public schools... just sayin' - you got no dog in this race so go elsewhere to troll.

No. I deliberately mentioned TJ because rules can change. Says who only students in a certain region can go to TJ? It is a good school, why can't students elsewhere benefit by going to that school? There are rules? Sorry, we can change them. It is supported by local funding? That is not important when we consider the welfare of students.

Remember, Everyone deserves a chance and nothing, nothing, you are born with should limit your opportunities for education and success

[Anonymous]

We need multiple smaller public school districts.

To focus on specific needs of specific communities. Some parents invest a ton of time and resources building up their communities and immediate schools via volunteering, coaching, PTA, time, managing clubs, etc. And work full time and /or parent several kids!

No way s/he can do that for 220 disparate schools. Rosy sing teachers and principals in a heavily centralized huge county public school system (top 10 largest in country), can’t do that effectively either.

Time for UC, DCC and SW district schools. Sure socialize half the property tax revenues but then start emplowering the damn schools and teachers again. C2.0 got us further and further from that.
Stop pitting ESOL demands versus g&T programs. That’s asinine! And guess what? Esol is at <40% proficiency still! And the great students are bored or leaving!
Stop making 5,6,7,8 year olds sit around teaching themselves math and reading or “type writing” in efforts to win PaRCcC common core money. Start teaching! All subjects! And differentiate! If a kid is reading 3 grade levels behind, so not pass him or her! Repeat the grade.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:We need multiple smaller public school districts.

To focus on specific needs of specific communities. Some parents invest a ton of time and resources building up their communities and immediate schools via volunteering, coaching, PTA, time, managing clubs, etc. And work full time and /or parent several kids!

No way s/he can do that for 220 disparate schools. Rosy sing teachers and principals in a heavily centralized huge county public school system (top 10 largest in country), can’t do that effectively either.

Time for UC, DCC and SW district schools. Sure socialize half the property tax revenues but then start emplowering the damn schools and teachers again. C2.0 got us further and further from that.
Stop pitting ESOL demands versus g&T programs. That’s asinine! And guess what? Esol is at <40% proficiency still! And the great students are bored or leaving!
Stop making 5,6,7,8 year olds sit around teaching themselves math and reading or “type writing” in efforts to win PaRCcC common core money. Start teaching! All subjects! And differentiate! If a kid is reading 3 grade levels behind, so not pass him or her! Repeat the grade.

I need a pony and a boat.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:
I never thought it was about race, as much as some posters on DCUM vociferously claim it is.

I think it's about families' educational expectations, and their fear that lower-income families will not encourage their children as much and that therefore the school cohort will not be as academically motivated as before.

Public school anywhere, it’s about resources.

It’s about resources of several finite goods:
*Money (school budget is a zero sum game);
*Infrastructure (overcapacity schools, classroom headcount, huge MS and HS grades (400-700 kids!), fixed construction costs, lack of land);
*Teachers, specialists, ECs (all must be allocated around each and every year. PTAs in MCPS are prohibited from highing side— they must volunteer instead)
time (Central office can only focus on what they think is high ROI (the bottom performers, graduation rates, low proficiency bars);
*Politics (what gets votes in an uber liberal huge county?!? What “sounds good”?)

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:From my experience with MCCPTA, it was the families in the east that were most concerned and vocal about the problems with MCPS no discipline policy and putting violent kids back in the classroom. The W parents were clueless to the entire issue.

Lovely.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:W parent here. I totally agree that the "no consequences" policy needs to be changed, for all, because it's absurd. I also think we need to bring back final exams, etc. None of our kids are being properly prepared for college, regardless of family income level.

I disagree that kids from lower income families are likely to be more disruptive. I am not remotely concerned about my daughters being subject to more inappropriate behavior were they to be in school with more kids from lower income families. I definitely don't give a rat's ass about race.

I have no objection to any boundary changes yet, because no specifics have been proposed. Any objection I may have in the future will be solely to any proposal that results in an unreasonable bus ride for my kids. They already don't get enough sleep as it is, and getting up 30-60 minutes earlier to catch the bus is the last thing they need.

That's it. Any boundary change that keeps bus time about the same (or shorter) is fine with me. Don't care who else is in their class. Any option that has my kids on a bus for 30+ minutes, when we live 5 min from their current school, I will oppose. That's my real issue.

I agree, as long as my kids are being taught well, are challenged, and are pushed to progress further and further, I don’t care about the make up at the school nor in the classroom.

If my kid is bored, unchallenged, ignored, distracted, bullied, or mistreated... then I care. I care deeply.

The opportunity cost of miseducating or under educating an eager, hard working student is a real shame on behalf of a school district.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:W parent here. I totally agree that the "no consequences" policy needs to be changed, for all, because it's absurd. I also think we need to bring back final exams, etc. None of our kids are being properly prepared for college, regardless of family income level.

I disagree that kids from lower income families are likely to be more disruptive. I am not remotely concerned about my daughters being subject to more inappropriate behavior were they to be in school with more kids from lower income families. I definitely don't give a rat's ass about race.

I have no objection to any boundary changes yet, because no specifics have been proposed. Any objection I may have in the future will be solely to any proposal that results in an unreasonable bus ride for my kids. They already don't get enough sleep as it is, and getting up 30-60 minutes earlier to catch the bus is the last thing they need.

That's it. Any boundary change that keeps bus time about the same (or shorter) is fine with me. Don't care who else is in their class. Any option that has my kids on a bus for 30+ minutes, when we live 5 min from their current school, I will oppose. That's my real issue.

+1. That pretty much sums up my feelings exactly. Every time one of these threads pops up I'm like oh, has there actually been a proposal to change boundaries yet?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The unspoken issue and reason for parental alarm is due to a lack of discipline and control in MCPS schools. People in the Ws are afraid that kids from less wealthy areas will come with more issues that could harm there own kids, such as disruptive behavior in the classroom and throughout the school, including catcalling, physical and emotional violence.

The fact is, MCPS must drop its “no consequences” behavioural conduct system before people in low poverty schools will be welcome. Living in this area for years, I cannot believe the issue is skin color. Most of these same residents voted for Ike Leggett and Barack Obama, for pete’s sake. The issue is that if these kids come and bring bad behavior with them, the existing neighborhood schools will suffer.

Feedback?

Wow. Just don't even know where to start.

So, are you implying there are no disciplinary issues at the "W" schools (and should we go ahead and include BCC while we're at it)?

And when you say "before people in low poverty schools will be welcome" what exactly do you mean? Welcome where? In MCPS? In a W school? This is a public school system.


These threads are becoming so tiresome. Are you all even listening to the kids and what they want? Are you hearing what parents are saying? It's absolutely disgusting and saddening.

https://bethesdamagazine.com/bethesda-beat/schools/mcps-superintendent-we-need-to-talk-about-students-respectfully/

During a public meeting last week about the yearlong study, some parents raised concerns about students at lower-performing schools not being able to achieve at higher-performing schools and said white families are 'being punished' for 'working hard and doing well and choosing to live in a certain community.'

....

"Tadikonda, a senior at Richard Montgomery High School, said students were 'very, very disturbed and upset' about the comments made during the last boundary study meeting.

'We need to be clear these are the remarks of some, but in no way are a reflection of our values as a school system,” Tadikonda said during Tuesday’s meeting. “Everyone deserves a chance and nothing, nothing, you are born with should limit your opportunities for education and success.'”

Great!

Why don't we give everyone a chance o try out TJ?
Why limit the admission based on test and/or performance? Why can't low performing students have the opportunity to better and more advanced education?
Oh, there are existing standards? Why can't we change them? Everyone deserves a chance and nothing, nothing, you are born with should limit your opportunities for education and success!

Ok, so you're from Virginia. I think that might disqualify you from a conversation about Maryland public schools... just sayin' - you got no dog in this race so go elsewhere to troll.

No. I deliberately mentioned TJ because rules can change. Says who only students in a certain region can go to TJ? It is a good school, why can't students elsewhere benefit by going to that school? There are rules? Sorry, we can change them. It is supported by local funding? That is not important when we consider the welfare of students.

Remember, Everyone deserves a chance and nothing, nothing, you are born with should limit your opportunities for education and success

Why do you keep quoting that high school student? I don't think you even understand what the student was saying. Either that or you are deliberately misconstruing the statement.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The unspoken issue and reason for parental alarm is due to a lack of discipline and control in MCPS schools. People in the Ws are afraid that kids from less wealthy areas will come with more issues that could harm there own kids, such as disruptive behavior in the classroom and throughout the school, including catcalling, physical and emotional violence.

The fact is, MCPS must drop its “no consequences” behavioural conduct system before people in low poverty schools will be welcome. Living in this area for years, I cannot believe the issue is skin color. Most of these same residents voted for Ike Leggett and Barack Obama, for pete’s sake. The issue is that if these kids come and bring bad behavior with them, the existing neighborhood schools will suffer.

Feedback?

Wow. Just don't even know where to start.

So, are you implying there are no disciplinary issues at the "W" schools (and should we go ahead and include BCC while we're at it)?

And when you say "before people in low poverty schools will be welcome" what exactly do you mean? Welcome where? In MCPS? In a W school? This is a public school system.


These threads are becoming so tiresome. Are you all even listening to the kids and what they want? Are you hearing what parents are saying? It's absolutely disgusting and saddening.

https://bethesdamagazine.com/bethesda-beat/schools/mcps-superintendent-we-need-to-talk-about-students-respectfully/

During a public meeting last week about the yearlong study, some parents raised concerns about students at lower-performing schools not being able to achieve at higher-performing schools and said white families are 'being punished' for 'working hard and doing well and choosing to live in a certain community.'

....

"Tadikonda, a senior at Richard Montgomery High School, said students were 'very, very disturbed and upset' about the comments made during the last boundary study meeting.

'We need to be clear these are the remarks of some, but in no way are a reflection of our values as a school system,” Tadikonda said during Tuesday’s meeting. “Everyone deserves a chance and nothing, nothing, you are born with should limit your opportunities for education and success.'”

Why should parents who worked hard so their UMC kids could attend Churchill have to listen to Tadikonda tell them where their kids should go to school. She's in the IB magnet at Richard Montgomery, and not exactly mixing it up every day with kids from Springbrook or Paint Branch.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Why should parents who worked hard so their UMC kids could attend Churchill have to listen to Tadikonda tell them where their kids should go to school. She's in the IB magnet at Richard Montgomery, and not exactly mixing it up every day with kids from Springbrook or Paint Branch.

Because she's a member of the Board of Education.

If you don't like it, you go and run for a seat on the Board of Education.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The unspoken issue and reason for parental alarm is due to a lack of discipline and control in MCPS schools. People in the Ws are afraid that kids from less wealthy areas will come with more issues that could harm there own kids, such as disruptive behavior in the classroom and throughout the school, including catcalling, physical and emotional violence.

The fact is, MCPS must drop its “no consequences” behavioural conduct system before people in low poverty schools will be welcome. Living in this area for years, I cannot believe the issue is skin color. Most of these same residents voted for Ike Leggett and Barack Obama, for pete’s sake. The issue is that if these kids come and bring bad behavior with them, the existing neighborhood schools will suffer.

Feedback?

Wow. Just don't even know where to start.

So, are you implying there are no disciplinary issues at the "W" schools (and should we go ahead and include BCC while we're at it)?

And when you say "before people in low poverty schools will be welcome" what exactly do you mean? Welcome where? In MCPS? In a W school? This is a public school system.


These threads are becoming so tiresome. Are you all even listening to the kids and what they want? Are you hearing what parents are saying? It's absolutely disgusting and saddening.

https://bethesdamagazine.com/bethesda-beat/schools/mcps-superintendent-we-need-to-talk-about-students-respectfully/

During a public meeting last week about the yearlong study, some parents raised concerns about students at lower-performing schools not being able to achieve at higher-performing schools and said white families are 'being punished' for 'working hard and doing well and choosing to live in a certain community.'

....

"Tadikonda, a senior at Richard Montgomery High School, said students were 'very, very disturbed and upset' about the comments made during the last boundary study meeting.

'We need to be clear these are the remarks of some, but in no way are a reflection of our values as a school system,” Tadikonda said during Tuesday’s meeting. “Everyone deserves a chance and nothing, nothing, you are born with should limit your opportunities for education and success.'”

Why should parents who worked hard so their UMC kids could attend Churchill have to listen to Tadikonda tell them where their kids should go to school. She's in the IB magnet at Richard Montgomery, and not exactly mixing it up every day with kids from Springbrook or Paint Branch.

Why should parents have to listen to her opinions? because it is a free country, and she is entitled to express her opinions. Why should she have to listen to parents basically calling other kids trash? Kids are not inherently more or less worthy of a quality education based on the families they were born into.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Why should parents who worked hard so their UMC kids could attend Churchill have to listen to Tadikonda tell them where their kids should go to school. She's in the IB magnet at Richard Montgomery, and not exactly mixing it up every day with kids from Springbrook or Paint Branch.

Because she's a member of the Board of Education.

If you don't like it, you go and run for a seat on the Board of Education.

Because it’s her college app fodder. Get some more press and tweets going! More victim culture!