"Opening up" means risking your life

[Anonymous]

A good number of those who died were nursing home patients. A lock down is not going to prevent that unless those giving care are not allowed in.
Gov. DeSantis took action that other governors should have taken. He knew who the vulnerable were and targeted prevention toward that population.

Just so you know... I am part of the vulnerable population. I am not being terribly inconvenienced. I believe this nation needs to open.
I will continue to take precautions to protect myself... staying home more than normal, wearing a mask, washing my hands, and keeping my hands away from my face.
There are ways to open our nation with minimal risk. Time to do that.


Your first sentence minimizes them - oh they were nursing home patients. So of course they were going to die.

And if people die, they die - that seems to be your overall attitude.

Or let's try this.

Dems - would you accept a death toll of 100k and a return to relative prosperity by October if it meant four more years of Trump?

Republicans - would you accept a death toll of 300k by October and Trump losing 1980 style if it meant we could open up Swedish style and turn unemployment from 20% to 10-11%?

DP here.
You respond to PP like making everyone stay home is helping those in the nursing homes. It is not. That's the problem. Sounds like Florida uses a different approach. Is Dr. Northam doing anything like that? Makes sense to me to attack the problem where it is.
Cuomo sent more Covid patients to the nursing homes.

Fix the nursing homes. Help there. Let the rest of us get back to normalcy.

For me, I'd start by opening the windows in the nursing homes and wheeling patients outside, if possible for a while every day. Close quarters seems to be part of the problem.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Your first sentence minimizes them - oh they were nursing home patients. So of course they were going to die.

And if people die, they die - that seems to be your overall attitude.

Or let's try this.

Dems - would you accept a death toll of 100k and a return to relative prosperity by October if it meant four more years of Trump?

Republicans - would you accept a death toll of 300k by October and Trump losing 1980 style if it meant we could open up Swedish style and turn unemployment from 20% to 10-11%?

Sadly, the trajectory currently is for well over 300k deaths.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

A good number of those who died were nursing home patients. A lock down is not going to prevent that unless those giving care are not allowed in.
Gov. DeSantis took action that other governors should have taken. He knew who the vulnerable were and targeted prevention toward that population.

Just so you know... I am part of the vulnerable population. I am not being terribly inconvenienced. I believe this nation needs to open.
I will continue to take precautions to protect myself... staying home more than normal, wearing a mask, washing my hands, and keeping my hands away from my face.
There are ways to open our nation with minimal risk. Time to do that.


Your first sentence minimizes them - oh they were nursing home patients. So of course they were going to die.

And if people die, they die - that seems to be your overall attitude.

Or let's try this.

Dems - would you accept a death toll of 100k and a return to relative prosperity by October if it meant four more years of Trump?

Republicans - would you accept a death toll of 300k by October and Trump losing 1980 style if it meant we could open up Swedish style and turn unemployment from 20% to 10-11%?

DP here.
You respond to PP like making everyone stay home is helping those in the nursing homes. It is not. That's the problem. Sounds like Florida uses a different approach. Is Dr. Northam doing anything like that? Makes sense to me to attack the problem where it is.
Cuomo sent more Covid patients to the nursing homes.

Fix the nursing homes. Help there. Let the rest of us get back to normalcy.

For me, I'd start by opening the windows in the nursing homes and wheeling patients outside, if possible for a while every day. Close quarters seems to be part of the problem.

Thank you for trying to adopt a strategy other than the Ivan Drago solution ("if he dies, he dies") and sounding annoyed that all those old people need to be protected and damnit, I wanna live my real life and those at-risk people are keeping me from it.

Cuomo was wrong - at a minimum we could've had a set of COVID nursing homes - and I guarantee you if he is named VP or replacing Biden his behavior is going to get scrutinized. And like I said in a previous post, I want my powerful people to have protected American lives.

Might need to give caretakers a raise and adjust their schedules radically, as well, and ensure constant (like 2-3x a day) temperature taking and once/twice a week tests.

IIRC part of the problem are folks who work 15 hours a week at Nursing Home A and 20 at Nursing Home B.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

A good number of those who died were nursing home patients. A lock down is not going to prevent that unless those giving care are not allowed in.
Gov. DeSantis took action that other governors should have taken. He knew who the vulnerable were and targeted prevention toward that population.

Just so you know... I am part of the vulnerable population. I am not being terribly inconvenienced. I believe this nation needs to open.
I will continue to take precautions to protect myself... staying home more than normal, wearing a mask, washing my hands, and keeping my hands away from my face.
There are ways to open our nation with minimal risk. Time to do that.


Your first sentence minimizes them - oh they were nursing home patients. So of course they were going to die.

And if people die, they die - that seems to be your overall attitude.

Or let's try this.

Dems - would you accept a death toll of 100k and a return to relative prosperity by October if it meant four more years of Trump?

Republicans - would you accept a death toll of 300k by October and Trump losing 1980 style if it meant we could open up Swedish style and turn unemployment from 20% to 10-11%?

DP here.
You respond to PP like making everyone stay home is helping those in the nursing homes. It is not. That's the problem. Sounds like Florida uses a different approach. Is Dr. Northam doing anything like that? Makes sense to me to attack the problem where it is.
Cuomo sent more Covid patients to the nursing homes.

Fix the nursing homes. Help there. Let the rest of us get back to normalcy.

For me, I'd start by opening the windows in the nursing homes and wheeling patients outside, if possible for a while every day. Close quarters seems to be part of the problem.

Thank you for trying to adopt a strategy other than the Ivan Drago solution ("if he dies, he dies") and sounding annoyed that all those old people need to be protected and damnit, I wanna live my real life and those at-risk people are keeping me from it.

Cuomo was wrong - at a minimum we could've had a set of COVID nursing homes - and I guarantee you if he is named VP or replacing Biden his behavior is going to get scrutinized. And like I said in a previous post, I want my powerful people to have protected American lives.

Might need to give caretakers a raise and adjust their schedules radically, as well, and ensure constant (like 2-3x a day) temperature taking and once/twice a week tests.

IIRC part of the problem are folks who work 15 hours a week at Nursing Home A and 20 at Nursing Home B.

Well, if you look at Virginia stats--most of the deaths are from nursing homes. In Fairfax, 56.6% of the cases are from the Hispanic community. Now ask yourself, who works in nursing homes?
Everyone complains about the construction workers--somehow, I think they are bringing it to the sites from home--not taking it home from the sites.

The nursing homes are the problem. Of course, there are other places that have issues, but that appears to be the source.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:So if its just a flu, then why this?

https://www.militarytimes.com/news/your-military/2020/05/06/coronavirus-survivors-banned-from-joining-the-military/

And more concerning, what does the US Military know that isn't being disclosed to the public?

If you read the article you posted...the issue isn’t that the military knows something, it’s that they don’t know anything. Like everyone else.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Confirmed cases for DC: 5654 , deaths 285
Maryland: 29374, deaths 1404
Virginia 21570, deaths 796

All of these are higher than .2%

Do the math yourself
If you want to get creative, count the deaths per number of people admitted to a hospital

Are you being purposefully obtuse or do you really not get it? Do you think MD and VA have tested enough to find every covid positive person?

[Anonymous]

Hopefully everyone can see this.

This is really well done. Most states that are opening are not at all in a position to do so, even by WH guidelines. Shocker.

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2020/05/07/us/coronavirus-states-reopen-criteria.html?action=click&module=Spotlight&pgtype=Homepage

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Hopefully everyone can see this.

This is really well done. Most states that are opening are not at all in a position to do so, even by WH guidelines. Shocker.

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2020/05/07/us/coronavirus-states-reopen-criteria.html?action=click&module=Spotlight&pgtype=Homepage

That’s why they didn’t publish the guidelines as covered by the AP this morning, discussed in this thread:
https://www.dcurbanmom.com/jforum/posts/list/879268.page

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Confirmed cases for DC: 5654 , deaths 285
Maryland: 29374, deaths 1404
Virginia 21570, deaths 796

All of these are higher than .2%

Do the math yourself
If you want to get creative, count the deaths per number of people admitted to a hospital

Are you being purposefully obtuse or do you really not get it? Do you think MD and VA have tested enough to find every covid positive person?

The goal of the testing isn't to "find every COVID positive person."

[Anonymous]

Driving in Maryland is risking your life, yet millions do it daily. Open up Larry!

[Anonymous]

Gun-waving SUV driver crashes parade celebrating nurses
https://www.oregonlive.com/coronavirus/2020/05/gun-waving-suv-driver-crashes-parade-celebrating-nurses.html

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Confirmed cases for DC: 5654 , deaths 285
Maryland: 29374, deaths 1404
Virginia 21570, deaths 796

All of these are higher than .2%

Do the math yourself
If you want to get creative, count the deaths per number of people admitted to a hospital

Are you being purposefully obtuse or do you really not get it? Do you think MD and VA have tested enough to find every covid positive person?

The goal of the testing isn't to "find every COVID positive person."

Why not?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Confirmed cases for DC: 5654 , deaths 285
Maryland: 29374, deaths 1404
Virginia 21570, deaths 796

All of these are higher than .2%

Do the math yourself
If you want to get creative, count the deaths per number of people admitted to a hospital

Are you being purposefully obtuse or do you really not get it? Do you think MD and VA have tested enough to find every covid positive person?

The goal of the testing isn't to "find every COVID positive person."

Why not?

Health care system is not set up that way. You have to be sick, have symptoms, get your doctor to ok you for a test, find a testing site and go there the next day. Then wait for results

[Anonymous]

Do the Remain Closed crowd comprehend that this virus has a 2% mortality rate? Do they not go outside in flu season?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Do the Remain Closed crowd comprehend that this virus has a 2% mortality rate? Do they not go outside in flu season?

6 million Americans are wondering why you DGAF about them.

And the flu mortality rate is much, much lower than that. <.1%