Harvard tell Trump to pound sand

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Harvard needs more viewpoint diversity. There was one moderate govt prof, but he retired at 90-something.

Diversity of political view is not a type of diversity the Ivies will tolerate.

Unfortunately they do — in the name of DEI. See: Vance, JD — or whatever his name was then. That might change though.

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Anonymous wrote:Harvard needs more viewpoint diversity. There was one moderate govt prof, but he retired at 90-something.

Diversity of political view is not a type of diversity the Ivies will tolerate.

Seems like it’s Trump that’s being intolerant, dear.

How many conservative speakers were invited to share their views at Harvard, dear?

Here’s the thing I don’t get, dear. If all of these Ivies are liberal indoctrination machines, why do these rich conservative people keep wanting to send their kids to them?

I would never send my child to Harvard, are you crazy?
- a rich conservative

Sure, Jan.

If your kid got accepted to Harvard and Liberty, there is zero chance they’d be going to Liberty.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Harvard needs more viewpoint diversity. There was one moderate govt prof, but he retired at 90-something.

Diversity of political view is not a type of diversity the Ivies will tolerate.

Seems like it’s Trump that’s being intolerant, dear.

How many conservative speakers were invited to share their views at Harvard, dear?

Here’s the thing I don’t get, dear. If all of these Ivies are liberal indoctrination machines, why do these rich conservative people keep wanting to send their kids to them?

I would never send my child to Harvard, are you crazy?
- a rich conservative

Sure, Jan.

If your kid got accepted to Harvard and Liberty, there is zero chance they’d be going to Liberty.

You named two extremes. There are many outstanding colleges and universities.

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Anonymous wrote:Harvard needs more viewpoint diversity. There was one moderate govt prof, but he retired at 90-something.

Diversity of political view is not a type of diversity the Ivies will tolerate.

Seems like it’s Trump that’s being intolerant, dear.

How many conservative speakers were invited to share their views at Harvard, dear?

Here’s the thing I don’t get, dear. If all of these Ivies are liberal indoctrination machines, why do these rich conservative people keep wanting to send their kids to them?

I would never send my child to Harvard, are you crazy?
- a rich conservative

Sure, Jan.

If your kid got accepted to Harvard and Liberty, there is zero chance they’d be going to Liberty.

You named two extremes. There are many outstanding colleges and universities.

Turn down Harvard. People do. It's not for everyone.

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Anonymous wrote:Wow I read that 27% of Harvard is foreign students , it's back door immigration and taking educational slots from Americans , wild

So Americans need DEI admissions to get into Harvard now?

You can't make this stuff up, folks.

American taxpayers don't need to be funding (through grants, scholarships, etc) 1/4 of their student body when they're from other countries.

Taxpayer money goes to grants, not tuition.

Harvard does not give scholarships, only financial aid, which comes from alumni giving and the endowment.

Some foreign graduate students may get paid from federal grant money for the research work they do.

Graduate students at the Business School, the Law School, perhaps the Medical School, perhaps other schools, benefit zero from federal money.

But if it makes you feel good to be outraged that your tax dollars are paying for foreign students, you go right ahead and live it up.

No federal funds ever part of the endowment, right? I'm happy for foreign students to come here for an education, not to protest and cause disturbances.

Thats right. We only want citizens storming the capital to assassinate the vice president and overthrow an election, not people who can pass a civics test.

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Anonymous wrote:Wow I read that 27% of Harvard is foreign students , it's back door immigration and taking educational slots from Americans , wild

So Americans need DEI admissions to get into Harvard now?

You can't make this stuff up, folks.

American taxpayers don't need to be funding (through grants, scholarships, etc) 1/4 of their student body when they're from other countries.

Taxpayer money goes to grants, not tuition.

Harvard does not give scholarships, only financial aid, which comes from alumni giving and the endowment.

Some foreign graduate students may get paid from federal grant money for the research work they do.

Graduate students at the Business School, the Law School, perhaps the Medical School, perhaps other schools, benefit zero from federal money.

But if it makes you feel good to be outraged that your tax dollars are paying for foreign students, you go right ahead and live it up.

No federal funds ever part of the endowment, right? I'm happy for foreign students to come here for an education, not to protest and cause disturbances.

Then why punish a whole group for the actions of a small fraction of that group?

I don't. As far as I'm concerned, Harvard and Columbia should have expelled the foreign students who engaged in protests.

How about the USA expels Putin and his cronies Trump and Congressional Republicans?

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Hmmm: Harvard’s student body has been, approximately:

1/3 foreign students (who usually pay full tuition), plus

1/3 legacy students, leaving:

Just 1/3rd of seats left for the rest of deserving high school students to fight over, especially without an athletic hook (at least the S.Ct took away Harvard’s racist admissions preference).

No wonder it’s nearly impossible to get into Harvard.

I have no problem with the administration’s move today. My high-achieving but unhooked children never had any realistic chance of getting in anyway.

Absolutely. It's important to recognize that U.S. taxpayers have poured billions into Harvard University, yet they are often excluded from accessing its resources and opportunities. This disparity raises serious questions about the value and return on investment for the public.

Do you also think you’re entitled to be captain of the aircraft carrier your tax money bought? Harvard receives public funding for research that benefits all Americans.

No, but I do expect that the aircraft carrier would be used for my benefit instead of used to defend foreign countries and shoot me.

You know that foreign students pay a lot of money to go to school here? It's a valuable export.

And then they go out in the world eith a positive view of the US. Or they used to.

LOL!! That’s a good one
!! Yeah, all those Chinese students who steal our technology & snoop on military installations go home & rave about how great we are!!!

We only went South Africans invade our government buildings and steal all our secrets and send them to Russia! No Chinese!

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Wow I read that 27% of Harvard is foreign students , it's back door immigration and taking educational slots from Americans , wild

So Americans need DEI admissions to get into Harvard now?

You can't make this stuff up, folks.

American taxpayers don't need to be funding (through grants, scholarships, etc) 1/4 of their student body when they're from other countries.

Taxpayer money goes to grants, not tuition.

Harvard does not give scholarships, only financial aid, which comes from alumni giving and the endowment.

Some foreign graduate students may get paid from federal grant money for the research work they do.

Graduate students at the Business School, the Law School, perhaps the Medical School, perhaps other schools, benefit zero from federal money.

But if it makes you feel good to be outraged that your tax dollars are paying for foreign students, you go right ahead and live it up.

No federal funds ever part of the endowment, right? I'm happy for foreign students to come here for an education, not to protest and cause disturbances.

Thats right. We only want citizens storming the capital to assassinate the vice president and overthrow an election, not people who can pass a civics test.

Quite frankly, I don't like either group you mentioned.

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Hmmm: Harvard’s student body has been, approximately:

1/3 foreign students (who usually pay full tuition), plus

1/3 legacy students, leaving:

Just 1/3rd of seats left for the rest of deserving high school students to fight over, especially without an athletic hook (at least the S.Ct took away Harvard’s racist admissions preference).

No wonder it’s nearly impossible to get into Harvard.

I have no problem with the administration’s move today. My high-achieving but unhooked children never had any realistic chance of getting in anyway.

Absolutely. It's important to recognize that U.S. taxpayers have poured billions into Harvard University, yet they are often excluded from accessing its resources and opportunities. This disparity raises serious questions about the value and return on investment for the public.

Do you also think you’re entitled to be captain of the aircraft carrier your tax money bought? Harvard receives public funding for research that benefits all Americans.

No, but I do expect that the aircraft carrier would be used for my benefit instead of used to defend foreign countries and shoot me.

You know that foreign students pay a lot of money to go to school here? It's a valuable export.

And then they go out in the world eith a positive view of the US. Or they used to.

LOL!! That’s a good one
!! Yeah, all those Chinese students who steal our technology & snoop on military installations go home & rave about how great we are!!!

We only went South Africans invade our government buildings and steal all our secrets and send them to Russia! No Chinese!

No, its totally fine for Chinese to steal whatever they want as long as they don't from a different school from Harvard.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Hmmm: Harvard’s student body has been, approximately:

1/3 foreign students (who usually pay full tuition), plus

1/3 legacy students, leaving:

Just 1/3rd of seats left for the rest of deserving high school students to fight over, especially without an athletic hook (at least the S.Ct took away Harvard’s racist admissions preference).

No wonder it’s nearly impossible to get into Harvard.

I have no problem with the administration’s move today. My high-achieving but unhooked children never had any realistic chance of getting in anyway.

Absolutely. It's important to recognize that U.S. taxpayers have poured billions into Harvard University, yet they are often excluded from accessing its resources and opportunities. This disparity raises serious questions about the value and return on investment for the public.

Do you also think you’re entitled to be captain of the aircraft carrier your tax money bought? Harvard receives public funding for research that benefits all Americans.

No, but I do expect that the aircraft carrier would be used for my benefit instead of used to defend foreign countries and shoot me.

You know that foreign students pay a lot of money to go to school here? It's a valuable export.

And then they go out in the world eith a positive view of the US. Or they used to.

LOL!! That’s a good one
!! Yeah, all those Chinese students who steal our technology & snoop on military installations go home & rave about how great we are!!!

We only went South Africans invade our government buildings and steal all our secrets and send them to Russia! No Chinese!

No, its totally fine for Chinese to steal whatever they want as long as they don't from a different school from Harvard.

This. I was on the conservative thread on reddit snd there were people justifying this by saying that it was a matter of safety because in 2020 there was sn issue with foreign students (Chinese?) spying. It is really hard dor poor conservatives to justify these kind of clearly illegal actions by Trump (/and then if the next president is a Dem, it would be ok to do the same to Liberty university or any other conservative private college?) so i almost feel for them when they grasp for straws. This has nothing to so with security because Trump clearly said that foreing students are not allowed to enroll at Harvard snd the ones already there need to transfer to other US universities. If they posed a security risks they would not be allowed to transfer to other places.

This is just Trump wanting Harvard to bend the knee and do whatever he wants and using all the weapons he has to exercise pressure. It worked with the big law firms so he think it will work everywhere

[Anonymous]

Dear Members of the Harvard Community,

Yesterday, the federal government announced that it has revoked Harvard’s certification under the Student and Exchange Visitor Program (SEVP) and stripped the University of its authority to sponsor F- and J- visas for international students and scholars for the 2025-26 academic year. The revocation continues a series of government actions to retaliate against Harvard for our refusal to surrender our academic independence and to submit to the federal government’s illegal assertion of control over our curriculum, our faculty, and our student body.

We condemn this unlawful and unwarranted action. It imperils the futures of thousands of students and scholars across Harvard and serves as a warning to countless others at colleges and universities throughout the country who have come to America to pursue their education and fulfill their dreams. We have just filed a complaint, and a motion for a temporary restraining order will follow. As we pursue legal remedies, we will do everything in our power to support our students and scholars. The Harvard International Office will provide periodic updates as new information becomes available.

The government has claimed that its destructive action is based on Harvard’s failure to comply with requests for information from the US Department of Homeland Security. In fact, Harvard did respond to the Department’s requests as required by law.

For those international students and scholars affected by yesterday’s action, know that you are vital members of our community. You are our classmates and friends, our colleagues and mentors, our partners in the work of this great institution. Thanks to you, we know more and understand more, and our country and our world are more enlightened and more resilient. We will support you as we do our utmost to ensure that Harvard remains open to the world.

Sincerely,
Alan M. Garber

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Dear Members of the Harvard Community,

Yesterday, the federal government announced that it has revoked Harvard’s certification under the Student and Exchange Visitor Program (SEVP) and stripped the University of its authority to sponsor F- and J- visas for international students and scholars for the 2025-26 academic year. The revocation continues a series of government actions to retaliate against Harvard for our refusal to surrender our academic independence and to submit to the federal government’s illegal assertion of control over our curriculum, our faculty, and our student body.

We condemn this unlawful and unwarranted action. It imperils the futures of thousands of students and scholars across Harvard and serves as a warning to countless others at colleges and universities throughout the country who have come to America to pursue their education and fulfill their dreams. We have just filed a complaint, and a motion for a temporary restraining order will follow. As we pursue legal remedies, we will do everything in our power to support our students and scholars. The Harvard International Office will provide periodic updates as new information becomes available.

The government has claimed that its destructive action is based on Harvard’s failure to comply with requests for information from the US Department of Homeland Security. In fact, Harvard did respond to the Department’s requests as required by law.

For those international students and scholars affected by yesterday’s action, know that you are vital members of our community. You are our classmates and friends, our colleagues and mentors, our partners in the work of this great institution. Thanks to you, we know more and understand more, and our country and our world are more enlightened and more resilient. We will support you as we do our utmost to ensure that Harvard remains open to the world.

Sincerely,
Alan M. Garber

And they will win. Trump is blatantly violating the constitution.

[Anonymous]

Political rifts aside, honestly, I can’t see why any institution should be “open to the world” like the above letter said, at the expense of Americans (since every accepted international student is a rejected American student) and getting any benefits from the American government whatsoever, whether that’s tax benefits for their endowment or research funding or anything else. It’s fine to have a completely independent organization that has an international focus but then they should play by different rules than colleges for American students play by.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Political rifts aside, honestly, I can’t see why any institution should be “open to the world” like the above letter said, at the expense of Americans (since every accepted international student is a rejected American student) and getting any benefits from the American government whatsoever, whether that’s tax benefits for their endowment or research funding or anything else. It’s fine to have a completely independent organization that has an international focus but then they should play by different rules than colleges for American students play by.

Your view encompasses *every* college, university, boarding school, and camp in the US.

I thought it was a good thing for the US to export goods and services? Props up the dollar and such.

It's beyond me how research dollars are negative for Americans.

And I challenge you to name a single "completely independent organization."

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Dear Members of the Harvard Community,

Yesterday, the federal government announced that it has revoked Harvard’s certification under the Student and Exchange Visitor Program (SEVP) and stripped the University of its authority to sponsor F- and J- visas for international students and scholars for the 2025-26 academic year. The revocation continues a series of government actions to retaliate against Harvard for our refusal to surrender our academic independence and to submit to the federal government’s illegal assertion of control over our curriculum, our faculty, and our student body.

We condemn this unlawful and unwarranted action. It imperils the futures of thousands of students and scholars across Harvard and serves as a warning to countless others at colleges and universities throughout the country who have come to America to pursue their education and fulfill their dreams. We have just filed a complaint, and a motion for a temporary restraining order will follow. As we pursue legal remedies, we will do everything in our power to support our students and scholars. The Harvard International Office will provide periodic updates as new information becomes available.

The government has claimed that its destructive action is based on Harvard’s failure to comply with requests for information from the US Department of Homeland Security. In fact, Harvard did respond to the Department’s requests as required by law.

For those international students and scholars affected by yesterday’s action, know that you are vital members of our community. You are our classmates and friends, our colleagues and mentors, our partners in the work of this great institution. Thanks to you, we know more and understand more, and our country and our world are more enlightened and more resilient. We will support you as we do our utmost to ensure that Harvard remains open to the world.

Sincerely,
Alan M. Garber

And they will win. Trump is blatantly violating the constitution.

Exactly, you can't single out one university for this obviously punitive action. My fear is he's going to say "Alright, no more foreign students anywhere", because it would be just like him to do so.