Big Beautiful Bill

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House Republicans are panicking about the draconian Senate bill. Remember, some of them were assured that they could safely vote for the House bill because the Senate would not cut Medicaid. Seems the Senate didn't get the memo. Oops.

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Anonymous wrote:Statement from North America’s Building Trades Unions on Trump’s “Big Billionaire Bill”:

“If enacted, this stands to be the biggest job-killing bill in the history of this country. Simply put, it is the equivalent of terminating more than 1,000 Keystone XL pipeline projects”

Why? What provisions kill jobs?

There is about 38 billion invested in EVs and EV batteries plants that will be shut down and 200,000 factory jobs. This does not count the construction jobs. These 32 of the 37 manufacturing facilities are in red states. They will be closing or canceling plants in South Carolina, Georgia, Alabama etc.

This bill also goes after and shuts down green energy generation. That is 21% of the US grid and was to grow at 12% over the next decade to 45%. All of that stops. Construction is at a standstill still. Texas solar and wind industry is done. In 2015 Texas generated 12% from wind and solar. Now it generates 34%. This was projected to double by 2035. Some days Texas generates 76% of its electricity from wind and solar.

The difference with renewable and fossil fuels is the cost for renewables are up front. Build a solar or wind farm you have to pay for the plant all at once. Fossil fuel a big chunk of the cost is the cost of the fuel but you pay that as you use it. So it is cheaper in the short term without government subsidies to build fossils fuel plants.

The rest of the world is moving forward with this stuff. China has reduced its demand for oil so much that it is now past peak oil. The demand curve for oil is falling for the next decade in China and it keeps getting revised down wards. This is one of the reason for falling oil prices.

Trump and republicans are living in the 1970’s in terms of energy policy. This is f’ing crazy. This will put the US at a serious competitive disadvantage for the next 20 years.

DP, but to add, the bill would reduce US power generation through 2035 by 300GW, raise wholesale & retail power prices, increase household energy costs, reduce national GDP, & kill 100s of 1000s of jobs.

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Anonymous wrote:Statement from North America’s Building Trades Unions on Trump’s “Big Billionaire Bill”:

“If enacted, this stands to be the biggest job-killing bill in the history of this country. Simply put, it is the equivalent of terminating more than 1,000 Keystone XL pipeline projects”

Why? What provisions kill jobs?

There is about 38 billion invested in EVs and EV batteries plants that will be shut down and 200,000 factory jobs. This does not count the construction jobs. These 32 of the 37 manufacturing facilities are in red states. They will be closing or canceling plants in South Carolina, Georgia, Alabama etc.

This bill also goes after and shuts down green energy generation. That is 21% of the US grid and was to grow at 12% over the next decade to 45%. All of that stops. Construction is at a standstill still. Texas solar and wind industry is done. In 2015 Texas generated 12% from wind and solar. Now it generates 34%. This was projected to double by 2035. Some days Texas generates 76% of its electricity from wind and solar.

The difference with renewable and fossil fuels is the cost for renewables are up front. Build a solar or wind farm you have to pay for the plant all at once. Fossil fuel a big chunk of the cost is the cost of the fuel but you pay that as you use it. So it is cheaper in the short term without government subsidies to build fossils fuel plants.

The rest of the world is moving forward with this stuff. China has reduced its demand for oil so much that it is now past peak oil. The demand curve for oil is falling for the next decade in China and it keeps getting revised down wards. This is one of the reason for falling oil prices.

Trump and republicans are living in the 1970’s in terms of energy policy. This is f’ing crazy. This will put the US at a serious competitive disadvantage for the next 20 years.

except we have been subsidizing fossil fuels and particularly oil since say 1. So for the anti-green caucus to harp on about "green subsidies" while ignoring the military, health and environmental costs is just intellectually dishonest.

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Anonymous wrote:According to Senator Wyden, the Senate bill will cut $930 billion from Medicaid. That's more than the House bill.

Red state governors should be furious about this. Like a third of their residents or more are on Medicaid. 40% of the Speaker’s district.

The red state rednecks voted for him and, personally, I don't care if they die from lack of medical care.

When you say the quiet part out loud like that, you're not all that different from Trump and MAGA.

They are getting what they voted for.

No one voted for this. You just sound like a bad pets with your posts.

MAGA absolutely voted for this. It was in the GOP agenda known as Project2025.

Trump promised many times that he would not implement Project 2025. So no, no one voted for this. They voted for the opposite. Don't let your bitterness blind you.

Believing Donald Trump is an extraordinary failure in judgement. They deserve whatever is coming to them and more.

“They” is US!

Most of US here didn’t believe Donald Trump, nor did we vote for him.

+1 the election was clearly stolen. Dems just rolled over because they didn't want to question the election process. But, IMO, they should have.

As opposed to: Democrats know that they would need ironclad proof of any suspicions or accusations— and at that point didn’t have it? What would have been accomplished by questioning the election process without immutable proof, only to have any challenges end up with the current Supreme Court? It’s unlikely, but it would be very powerful if the world’s richest man, at some point, gets impulsive enough to fess up.

Agree, there was no proof at the time, but since then, both Musk and trump have admitted it and...the chances that all 7 "swing" states when to Trump by *just* enough to avoid an audit or recount is statistically off the charts improbable.

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The GOP is winning the ad war on the bill.

It has spent more than twice what the Democrats have.

The ads all tout tax cuts to help working families.

So I don't think Democrats are getting what they want from the public opinion in the short-term. The bill will pass, Fox News will laud it, right-wing voters will for the most part get excited at paying fewer taxes...

... and then next year a few might realize that they're actually paying more total.

Democrats are in disarray right now but they really need a mid-term strategy. They're being handed a gift on a silver platter right on schedule here with the near-certain passing of this bill.

The GOP is outspending the Dems on the ads but it is clear the public is against these policies by a significant margin. It seems like the GOP is wasting their money here, particularly since they are going to pass this regardless of public sentiment.

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Anonymous wrote:I am sort of curious how it will work to "tax solar and wind" such that it becomes non-viable yet we have expanded energy demand, particularly from the "manufacture" of crypto and AI.

Nuclear.

No nuclear is out. They fired most of the government scientists.

GOP/MAGA idiots handing China green energy on a platter. I honestly think this bill will sink us more than the felon ever could.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/companies/ford-s-ceo-says-china-s-ev-progress-is-the-most-humbling-thing-he-s-ever-seen/ar-AA1HFrhS?ocid=finance-verthp-feeds

We are in a global competition with China, and it's not just EVs. And if we lose this, we do not have a future Ford," he added.

We've already lost, thanks to Trump and MAGA.

American companies have been innovating and leading in energy efficiency and green energy for decades without support from Congress and they will continue to do so. It is not well publicized but it is happening. And it will continue.

No, they will not continue to do so. China has already passed the US with EV's, Solar and Hydroelectric. We are p[laying catch up now and MAGA will set even that back. Sad.

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The GOP is winning the ad war on the bill.

It has spent more than twice what the Democrats have.

The ads all tout tax cuts to help working families.

So I don't think Democrats are getting what they want from the public opinion in the short-term. The bill will pass, Fox News will laud it, right-wing voters will for the most part get excited at paying fewer taxes...

... and then next year a few might realize that they're actually paying more total.

Democrats are in disarray right now but they really need a mid-term strategy. They're being handed a gift on a silver platter right on schedule here with the near-certain passing of this bill.

The GOP is outspending the Dems on the ads but it is clear the public is against these policies by a significant margin. It seems like the GOP is wasting their money here, particularly since they are going to pass this regardless of public sentiment.

And what matters is the fallout that Americans will be feeling and Democrats can stump about in October 2026.

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Anonymous wrote:
The GOP is winning the ad war on the bill.

It has spent more than twice what the Democrats have.

The ads all tout tax cuts to help working families.

So I don't think Democrats are getting what they want from the public opinion in the short-term. The bill will pass, Fox News will laud it, right-wing voters will for the most part get excited at paying fewer taxes...

... and then next year a few might realize that they're actually paying more total.

Democrats are in disarray right now but they really need a mid-term strategy. They're being handed a gift on a silver platter right on schedule here with the near-certain passing of this bill.

And yet, poll after poll shows how much Americans hate this bill.

The poling doesn’t matter, it’s all a giant money grab on the way out the door.

Well, if the economy tanks because people don’t have healthcare and jobs and kids don’t have afterschool programs, and green technology and cancer research is farmed out to Europe and Asia, the economy will be in tatters. So what good is a tax cut?

It’s a giant money grab for billionaires,
For profit prisons, and the companies that will profit off the coming boondoggle of “golden dome”

They’ll survive like cockroaches

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Anonymous wrote:I am sort of curious how it will work to "tax solar and wind" such that it becomes non-viable yet we have expanded energy demand, particularly from the "manufacture" of crypto and AI.

Nuclear.

No nuclear is out. They fired most of the government scientists.

GOP/MAGA idiots handing China green energy on a platter. I honestly think this bill will sink us more than the felon ever could.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/companies/ford-s-ceo-says-china-s-ev-progress-is-the-most-humbling-thing-he-s-ever-seen/ar-AA1HFrhS?ocid=finance-verthp-feeds

We are in a global competition with China, and it's not just EVs. And if we lose this, we do not have a future Ford," he added.

We've already lost, thanks to Trump and MAGA.

American companies have been innovating and leading in energy efficiency and green energy for decades without support from Congress and they will continue to do so. It is not well publicized but it is happening. And it will continue.

No, they will not continue to do so. China has already passed the US with EV's, Solar and Hydroelectric. We are p[laying catch up now and MAGA will set even that back. Sad.

+1 china absolutely dominates the EV market. They are light years ahead of us with dark factories (robot workforce), solar fields, driverless taxis etc. while we’re over here promising to put people back in jobs from the 1950s that they don’t want to do

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Anonymous wrote:House Republicans are panicking about the draconian Senate bill. Remember, some of them were assured that they could safely vote for the House bill because the Senate would not cut Medicaid. Seems the Senate didn't get the memo. Oops.

Sucks for them and their constituents. Maybe they shouldn’t have voted for that turd pile

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Anonymous wrote:
The GOP is winning the ad war on the bill.

It has spent more than twice what the Democrats have.

The ads all tout tax cuts to help working families.

So I don't think Democrats are getting what they want from the public opinion in the short-term. The bill will pass, Fox News will laud it, right-wing voters will for the most part get excited at paying fewer taxes...

... and then next year a few might realize that they're actually paying more total.

Democrats are in disarray right now but they really need a mid-term strategy. They're being handed a gift on a silver platter right on schedule here with the near-certain passing of this bill.

And yet, poll after poll shows how much Americans hate this bill.

The poling doesn’t matter, it’s all a giant money grab on the way out the door.

Well, if the economy tanks because people don’t have healthcare and jobs and kids don’t have afterschool programs, and green technology and cancer research is farmed out to Europe and Asia, the economy will be in tatters. So what good is a tax cut?

It’s a giant money grab for billionaires,
For profit prisons, and the companies that will profit off the coming boondoggle of “golden dome”

They’ll survive like cockroaches

The only golden dome is trump's lid.

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Anonymous wrote:House Republicans are panicking about the draconian Senate bill. Remember, some of them were assured that they could safely vote for the House bill because the Senate would not cut Medicaid. Seems the Senate didn't get the memo. Oops.

Sucks for them and their constituents. Maybe they shouldn’t have voted for that turd pile

Er, the point is, if the Senate goes to far, then when the Bill goes back to the House, it won't pass.

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Incompetent liars. All of them. They couldn’t get their way out of a paper bag.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
The GOP is winning the ad war on the bill.

It has spent more than twice what the Democrats have.

The ads all tout tax cuts to help working families.

So I don't think Democrats are getting what they want from the public opinion in the short-term. The bill will pass, Fox News will laud it, right-wing voters will for the most part get excited at paying fewer taxes...

... and then next year a few might realize that they're actually paying more total.

Democrats are in disarray right now but they really need a mid-term strategy. They're being handed a gift on a silver platter right on schedule here with the near-certain passing of this bill.

The GOP is outspending the Dems on the ads but it is clear the public is against these policies by a significant margin. It seems like the GOP is wasting their money here, particularly since they are going to pass this regardless of public sentiment.

And wasting more $$$ on nothing, since they’ll do what they like. More waste, fraud, abuse.