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Anonymous wrote:Bbb mainly rolls back all the increases Obama jettisoned in during his first term - higher income levels for food stamps, illegal alien benefits, etc.

It also partially repealed the ACA. Without any replacement.

Republicans will reap what they sow.

Which didn't exist earlier, somehow without billions of deaths of poor people.

Some deaths and many many bankruptcies from medical debt.

A poorer sucker country. In order to pay for tax cute that are not stimulatory.

Galling.

So you have more money due to tax cuts, but don't do anything with it? You don't spend it on goods or services produced by people who earn their livings by providing those goods or services? You don't invest it in companies which hire employees to produce desirable goods and services so they can make a profit while employing people? You just bury your tax savings in your back yard? Seems improbable, but if you say so, it must be true, and in that case there would indeed be no tricking down of your increased wealth.

George Herbert Walker Bush called Reagan's supply side economics "voodoo" - there is no truth to "trickle down" and never has been. An economic myth that has destroyed the middle class, destroyed the US fiscal balance and has handed Russia and China global victory without firing a shot.

So nobody spends any of their money, so it never changes hands. Seems improbable. If people do spend money, which seems more likely, where does it go? Common sense would suggest it goes towards goods and services provided by other people, and therefore "trickling" somewhere, but maybe you know better.

And when you put more money in the hands of the lower and middle classes, more of that money gets cycled through the economy. When you put it in the hands of the 1%, it simply gets horded. You don't have to believe me, but you should believe the GOP economics of the last 35 years which has proven the case time and time again.

Ah, ok. Only rich people bury their money in their back yards. Got it. Funny, I would have thought that they spend and invest it like other people - buying goods and services, and investing in companies which have employees and which themselves buy goods and services to support their own activities. How silly to think that "the rich" don't do those things at all. I guess they don't run companies, drive cars, live in houses, employ other people, purchase food, engage in philanthropy, pay taxes, or do anything else which would cause them to loosen thir grip on any of their money.

I'm surprised people are still willing to try to educate you on the facts of life. I'd rather you MAGAs find out the hard way what's about to happen.

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Anonymous wrote:Poor and middle class spend their money when they have it. Their needs and wants lists are long. They pay taxes on it when it’s earned, and again on the things they buy.

Rich people hoard it, hide it in tax havens, yachts, loophole purchases, and even foreign countries. Or just as bad, they use it to hoard real estate which drives up the cost of housing. And worst of all, when they get ultra rich, they buy politicians and elections which negatively affect us all.

Have you ever heard of real estate taxes? I have not seen any exemption for expensive homes.

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Anonymous wrote:Bbb mainly rolls back all the increases Obama jettisoned in during his first term - higher income levels for food stamps, illegal alien benefits, etc.

It also partially repealed the ACA. Without any replacement.

Republicans will reap what they sow.

Which didn't exist earlier, somehow without billions of deaths of poor people.

Some deaths and many many bankruptcies from medical debt.

A poorer sucker country. In order to pay for tax cute that are not stimulatory.

Galling.

Seems like the "facts of life" elude you. Econ 101 would be a good starting point for you, not reading more Marx and Engels.

So you have more money due to tax cuts, but don't do anything with it? You don't spend it on goods or services produced by people who earn their livings by providing those goods or services? You don't invest it in companies which hire employees to produce desirable goods and services so they can make a profit while employing people? You just bury your tax savings in your back yard? Seems improbable, but if you say so, it must be true, and in that case there would indeed be no tricking down of your increased wealth.

George Herbert Walker Bush called Reagan's supply side economics "voodoo" - there is no truth to "trickle down" and never has been. An economic myth that has destroyed the middle class, destroyed the US fiscal balance and has handed Russia and China global victory without firing a shot.

So nobody spends any of their money, so it never changes hands. Seems improbable. If people do spend money, which seems more likely, where does it go? Common sense would suggest it goes towards goods and services provided by other people, and therefore "trickling" somewhere, but maybe you know better.

And when you put more money in the hands of the lower and middle classes, more of that money gets cycled through the economy. When you put it in the hands of the 1%, it simply gets horded. You don't have to believe me, but you should believe the GOP economics of the last 35 years which has proven the case time and time again.

Ah, ok. Only rich people bury their money in their back yards. Got it. Funny, I would have thought that they spend and invest it like other people - buying goods and services, and investing in companies which have employees and which themselves buy goods and services to support their own activities. How silly to think that "the rich" don't do those things at all. I guess they don't run companies, drive cars, live in houses, employ other people, purchase food, engage in philanthropy, pay taxes, or do anything else which would cause them to loosen thir grip on any of their money.

I'm surprised people are still willing to try to educate you on the facts of life. I'd rather you MAGAs find out the hard way what's about to happen.

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Anonymous wrote:Bbb mainly rolls back all the increases Obama jettisoned in during his first term - higher income levels for food stamps, illegal alien benefits, etc.

It also partially repealed the ACA. Without any replacement.

Republicans will reap what they sow.

Which didn't exist earlier, somehow without billions of deaths of poor people.

Some deaths and many many bankruptcies from medical debt.

A poorer sucker country. In order to pay for tax cute that are not stimulatory.

Galling.

So you have more money due to tax cuts, but don't do anything with it? You don't spend it on goods or services produced by people who earn their livings by providing those goods or services? You don't invest it in companies which hire employees to produce desirable goods and services so they can make a profit while employing people? You just bury your tax savings in your back yard? Seems improbable, but if you say so, it must be true, and in that case there would indeed be no tricking down of your increased wealth.

George Herbert Walker Bush called Reagan's supply side economics "voodoo" - there is no truth to "trickle down" and never has been. An economic myth that has destroyed the middle class, destroyed the US fiscal balance and has handed Russia and China global victory without firing a shot.

So nobody spends any of their money, so it never changes hands. Seems improbable. If people do spend money, which seems more likely, where does it go? Common sense would suggest it goes towards goods and services provided by other people, and therefore "trickling" somewhere, but maybe you know better.

And when you put more money in the hands of the lower and middle classes, more of that money gets cycled through the economy. When you put it in the hands of the 1%, it simply gets horded. You don't have to believe me, but you should believe the GOP economics of the last 35 years which has proven the case time and time again.

Ah, ok. Only rich people bury their money in their back yards. Got it. Funny, I would have thought that they spend and invest it like other people - buying goods and services, and investing in companies which have employees and which themselves buy goods and services to support their own activities. How silly to think that "the rich" don't do those things at all. I guess they don't run companies, drive cars, live in houses, employ other people, purchase food, engage in philanthropy, pay taxes, or do anything else which would cause them to loosen thir grip on any of their money.

I'm surprised people are still willing to try to educate you on the facts of life. I'd rather you MAGAs find out the hard way what's about to happen.

Seems like the "facts of life" elude you. Econ 101 would be a good starting point for you, not reading more Marx and Engels.

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Anonymous wrote:Bbb mainly rolls back all the increases Obama jettisoned in during his first term - higher income levels for food stamps, illegal alien benefits, etc.

It also partially repealed the ACA. Without any replacement.

Republicans will reap what they sow.

Which didn't exist earlier, somehow without billions of deaths of poor people.

Some deaths and many many bankruptcies from medical debt.

A poorer sucker country. In order to pay for tax cute that are not stimulatory.

Galling.

So you have more money due to tax cuts, but don't do anything with it? You don't spend it on goods or services produced by people who earn their livings by providing those goods or services? You don't invest it in companies which hire employees to produce desirable goods and services so they can make a profit while employing people? You just bury your tax savings in your back yard? Seems improbable, but if you say so, it must be true, and in that case there would indeed be no tricking down of your increased wealth.

George Herbert Walker Bush called Reagan's supply side economics "voodoo" - there is no truth to "trickle down" and never has been. An economic myth that has destroyed the middle class, destroyed the US fiscal balance and has handed Russia and China global victory without firing a shot.

So nobody spends any of their money, so it never changes hands. Seems improbable. If people do spend money, which seems more likely, where does it go? Common sense would suggest it goes towards goods and services provided by other people, and therefore "trickling" somewhere, but maybe you know better.

And when you put more money in the hands of the lower and middle classes, more of that money gets cycled through the economy. When you put it in the hands of the 1%, it simply gets horded. You don't have to believe me, but you should believe the GOP economics of the last 35 years which has proven the case time and time again.

Ah, ok. Only rich people bury their money in their back yards. Got it. Funny, I would have thought that they spend and invest it like other people - buying goods and services, and investing in companies which have employees and which themselves buy goods and services to support their own activities. How silly to think that "the rich" don't do those things at all. I guess they don't run companies, drive cars, live in houses, employ other people, purchase food, engage in philanthropy, pay taxes, or do anything else which would cause them to loosen thir grip on any of their money.

I'm surprised people are still willing to try to educate you on the facts of life. I'd rather you MAGAs find out the hard way what's about to happen.

The saying that you can’t wake a man that is pretending to sleep is relevant here. The MAGAs will come up with any excuse at all to justify the cult and to reject reality.

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Anonymous wrote:Bbb mainly rolls back all the increases Obama jettisoned in during his first term - higher income levels for food stamps, illegal alien benefits, etc.

It also partially repealed the ACA. Without any replacement.

Republicans will reap what they sow.

Which didn't exist earlier, somehow without billions of deaths of poor people.

Some deaths and many many bankruptcies from medical debt.

A poorer sucker country. In order to pay for tax cute that are not stimulatory.

Galling.

So you have more money due to tax cuts, but don't do anything with it? You don't spend it on goods or services produced by people who earn their livings by providing those goods or services? You don't invest it in companies which hire employees to produce desirable goods and services so they can make a profit while employing people? You just bury your tax savings in your back yard? Seems improbable, but if you say so, it must be true, and in that case there would indeed be no tricking down of your increased wealth.

George Herbert Walker Bush called Reagan's supply side economics "voodoo" - there is no truth to "trickle down" and never has been. An economic myth that has destroyed the middle class, destroyed the US fiscal balance and has handed Russia and China global victory without firing a shot.

So nobody spends any of their money, so it never changes hands. Seems improbable. If people do spend money, which seems more likely, where does it go? Common sense would suggest it goes towards goods and services provided by other people, and therefore "trickling" somewhere, but maybe you know better.

And when you put more money in the hands of the lower and middle classes, more of that money gets cycled through the economy. When you put it in the hands of the 1%, it simply gets horded. You don't have to believe me, but you should believe the GOP economics of the last 35 years which has proven the case time and time again.

Ah, ok. Only rich people bury their money in their back yards. Got it. Funny, I would have thought that they spend and invest it like other people - buying goods and services, and investing in companies which have employees and which themselves buy goods and services to support their own activities. How silly to think that "the rich" don't do those things at all. I guess they don't run companies, drive cars, live in houses, employ other people, purchase food, engage in philanthropy, pay taxes, or do anything else which would cause them to loosen thir grip on any of their money.

I'm surprised people are still willing to try to educate you on the facts of life. I'd rather you MAGAs find out the hard way what's about to happen.

Seems like the "facts of life" elude you. Econ 101 would be a good starting point for you, not reading more Marx and Engels.

When someone says this it’s plain to see that they never got past 101, nor did they take any history or sociology or philosophy. It’s just typical maga ignorance.

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Anonymous wrote:Poor and middle class spend their money when they have it. Their needs and wants lists are long. They pay taxes on it when it’s earned, and again on the things they buy.

Rich people hoard it, hide it in tax havens, yachts, loophole purchases, and even foreign countries. Or just as bad, they use it to hoard real estate which drives up the cost of housing. And worst of all, when they get ultra rich, they buy politicians and elections which negatively affect us all.

Have you ever heard of real estate taxes? I have not seen any exemption for expensive homes.

DP. You don’t know what you’re talking about. PP said they’re hoarding real estate. The rich use the strategy buy, borrow, die. They’re leveraged in tax loopholes wrt real estate.

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Anonymous wrote:Bbb mainly rolls back all the increases Obama jettisoned in during his first term - higher income levels for food stamps, illegal alien benefits, etc.

It also partially repealed the ACA. Without any replacement.

Republicans will reap what they sow.

Which didn't exist earlier, somehow without billions of deaths of poor people.

Some deaths and many many bankruptcies from medical debt.

A poorer sucker country. In order to pay for tax cute that are not stimulatory.

Galling.

So you have more money due to tax cuts, but don't do anything with it? You don't spend it on goods or services produced by people who earn their livings by providing those goods or services? You don't invest it in companies which hire employees to produce desirable goods and services so they can make a profit while employing people? You just bury your tax savings in your back yard? Seems improbable, but if you say so, it must be true, and in that case there would indeed be no tricking down of your increased wealth.

George Herbert Walker Bush called Reagan's supply side economics "voodoo" - there is no truth to "trickle down" and never has been. An economic myth that has destroyed the middle class, destroyed the US fiscal balance and has handed Russia and China global victory without firing a shot.

So nobody spends any of their money, so it never changes hands. Seems improbable. If people do spend money, which seems more likely, where does it go? Common sense would suggest it goes towards goods and services provided by other people, and therefore "trickling" somewhere, but maybe you know better.

And when you put more money in the hands of the lower and middle classes, more of that money gets cycled through the economy. When you put it in the hands of the 1%, it simply gets horded. You don't have to believe me, but you should believe the GOP economics of the last 35 years which has proven the case time and time again.

Ah, ok. Only rich people bury their money in their back yards. Got it. Funny, I would have thought that they spend and invest it like other people - buying goods and services, and investing in companies which have employees and which themselves buy goods and services to support their own activities. How silly to think that "the rich" don't do those things at all. I guess they don't run companies, drive cars, live in houses, employ other people, purchase food, engage in philanthropy, pay taxes, or do anything else which would cause them to loosen thir grip on any of their money.

I'm surprised people are still willing to try to educate you on the facts of life. I'd rather you MAGAs find out the hard way what's about to happen.

The saying that you can’t wake a man that is pretending to sleep is relevant here. The MAGAs will come up with any excuse at all to justify the cult and to reject reality.

Exactly.

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Anonymous wrote:Bbb mainly rolls back all the increases Obama jettisoned in during his first term - higher income levels for food stamps, illegal alien benefits, etc.

It also partially repealed the ACA. Without any replacement.

Republicans will reap what they sow.

Which didn't exist earlier, somehow without billions of deaths of poor people.

Some deaths and many many bankruptcies from medical debt.

A poorer sucker country. In order to pay for tax cute that are not stimulatory.

Galling.

So you have more money due to tax cuts, but don't do anything with it? You don't spend it on goods or services produced by people who earn their livings by providing those goods or services? You don't invest it in companies which hire employees to produce desirable goods and services so they can make a profit while employing people? You just bury your tax savings in your back yard? Seems improbable, but if you say so, it must be true, and in that case there would indeed be no tricking down of your increased wealth.

I will get a tax cut. I will just save it. I'll put it in my investment account or interest earning savings account. I am not employing more people. It's just more money I don't need.

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Anonymous wrote:Poor and middle class spend their money when they have it. Their needs and wants lists are long. They pay taxes on it when it’s earned, and again on the things they buy.

Rich people hoard it, hide it in tax havens, yachts, loophole purchases, and even foreign countries. Or just as bad, they use it to hoard real estate which drives up the cost of housing. And worst of all, when they get ultra rich, they buy politicians and elections which negatively affect us all.

Have you ever heard of real estate taxes? I have not seen any exemption for expensive homes.

Uh, have you heard of SALT deductions and the mortgage interest deduction? Those are not tax benefits for the lower or middle classes.

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Anonymous wrote:Poor and middle class spend their money when they have it. Their needs and wants lists are long. They pay taxes on it when it’s earned, and again on the things they buy.

Rich people hoard it, hide it in tax havens, yachts, loophole purchases, and even foreign countries. Or just as bad, they use it to hoard real estate which drives up the cost of housing. And worst of all, when they get ultra rich, they buy politicians and elections which negatively affect us all.

Have you ever heard of real estate taxes? I have not seen any exemption for expensive homes.

I've seen plenty of instances where the wealthy grease palms to get their property taxes reduced, and/orwhere they put real estate and other holdings under their business name or some bogus foundation and get tax deductions. Those scams and tax dodges abound. You'd probably find a few examples of this if Trumps tax returns ever get released.

My question to you is to ask if you genuinely didn't know any of this, or if you are trying to help cover for it.

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Anonymous wrote:Poor and middle class spend their money when they have it. Their needs and wants lists are long. They pay taxes on it when it’s earned, and again on the things they buy.

Rich people hoard it, hide it in tax havens, yachts, loophole purchases, and even foreign countries. Or just as bad, they use it to hoard real estate which drives up the cost of housing. And worst of all, when they get ultra rich, they buy politicians and elections which negatively affect us all.

Have you ever heard of real estate taxes? I have not seen any exemption for expensive homes.

Uh, have you heard of SALT deductions and the mortgage interest deduction? Those are not tax benefits for the lower or middle classes.

This. We own two properties - one we live in and one we rent out. We can already deduct the property tax on the rental against the rent we receive. Now we will once again be deducting the property tax on our residence. And our mortgage interest. And our state income tax. And our charitable contributions. Families like us were not the ones who were most in need of a tax cut - but here we are.

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Anonymous wrote:Bbb mainly rolls back all the increases Obama jettisoned in during his first term - higher income levels for food stamps, illegal alien benefits, etc.

It also partially repealed the ACA. Without any replacement.

Republicans will reap what they sow.

Which didn't exist earlier, somehow without billions of deaths of poor people.

Some deaths and many many bankruptcies from medical debt.

A poorer sucker country. In order to pay for tax cute that are not stimulatory.

Galling.

So you have more money due to tax cuts, but don't do anything with it? You don't spend it on goods or services produced by people who earn their livings by providing those goods or services? You don't invest it in companies which hire employees to produce desirable goods and services so they can make a profit while employing people? You just bury your tax savings in your back yard? Seems improbable, but if you say so, it must be true, and in that case there would indeed be no tricking down of your increased wealth.

George Herbert Walker Bush called Reagan's supply side economics "voodoo" - there is no truth to "trickle down" and never has been. An economic myth that has destroyed the middle class, destroyed the US fiscal balance and has handed Russia and China global victory without firing a shot.

So nobody spends any of their money, so it never changes hands. Seems improbable. If people do spend money, which seems more likely, where does it go? Common sense would suggest it goes towards goods and services provided by other people, and therefore "trickling" somewhere, but maybe you know better.

And when you put more money in the hands of the lower and middle classes, more of that money gets cycled through the economy. When you put it in the hands of the 1%, it simply gets horded. You don't have to believe me, but you should believe the GOP economics of the last 35 years which has proven the case time and time again.

Ah, ok. Only rich people bury their money in their back yards. Got it. Funny, I would have thought that they spend and invest it like other people - buying goods and services, and investing in companies which have employees and which themselves buy goods and services to support their own activities. How silly to think that "the rich" don't do those things at all. I guess they don't run companies, drive cars, live in houses, employ other people, purchase food, engage in philanthropy, pay taxes, or do anything else which would cause them to loosen thir grip on any of their money.

I'm surprised people are still willing to try to educate you on the facts of life. I'd rather you MAGAs find out the hard way what's about to happen.

The saying that you can’t wake a man that is pretending to sleep is relevant here. The MAGAs will come up with any excuse at all to justify the cult and to reject reality.

It is absolutely wild to hear middle class people fiercely defend the ultra rich. And so pathetic. If they fought for themselves with half the passion as they fight for people with 6 homes, private planes, and a yacht, our whole country would be better off.

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Anonymous wrote:Bbb mainly rolls back all the increases Obama jettisoned in during his first term - higher income levels for food stamps, illegal alien benefits, etc.

It also partially repealed the ACA. Without any replacement.

Republicans will reap what they sow.

Which didn't exist earlier, somehow without billions of deaths of poor people.

Some deaths and many many bankruptcies from medical debt.

A poorer sucker country. In order to pay for tax cute that are not stimulatory.

Galling.

So you have more money due to tax cuts, but don't do anything with it? You don't spend it on goods or services produced by people who earn their livings by providing those goods or services? You don't invest it in companies which hire employees to produce desirable goods and services so they can make a profit while employing people? You just bury your tax savings in your back yard? Seems improbable, but if you say so, it must be true, and in that case there would indeed be no tricking down of your increased wealth.

George Herbert Walker Bush called Reagan's supply side economics "voodoo" - there is no truth to "trickle down" and never has been. An economic myth that has destroyed the middle class, destroyed the US fiscal balance and has handed Russia and China global victory without firing a shot.

So nobody spends any of their money, so it never changes hands. Seems improbable. If people do spend money, which seems more likely, where does it go? Common sense would suggest it goes towards goods and services provided by other people, and therefore "trickling" somewhere, but maybe you know better.

And when you put more money in the hands of the lower and middle classes, more of that money gets cycled through the economy. When you put it in the hands of the 1%, it simply gets horded. You don't have to believe me, but you should believe the GOP economics of the last 35 years which has proven the case time and time again.

Ah, ok. Only rich people bury their money in their back yards. Got it. Funny, I would have thought that they spend and invest it like other people - buying goods and services, and investing in companies which have employees and which themselves buy goods and services to support their own activities. How silly to think that "the rich" don't do those things at all. I guess they don't run companies, drive cars, live in houses, employ other people, purchase food, engage in philanthropy, pay taxes, or do anything else which would cause them to loosen thir grip on any of their money.

I'm surprised people are still willing to try to educate you on the facts of life. I'd rather you MAGAs find out the hard way what's about to happen.

The saying that you can’t wake a man that is pretending to sleep is relevant here. The MAGAs will come up with any excuse at all to justify the cult and to reject reality.

It is absolutely wild to hear middle class people fiercely defend the ultra rich. And so pathetic. If they fought for themselves with half the passion as they fight for people with 6 homes, private planes, and a yacht, our whole country would be better off.

Seriously. My family is fine, but I have no doubt that I am a lot closer to being homeless than to living like Bezos or Zuckerberg. People seem utterly confused about where they fit in the pecking order.

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Anonymous wrote:Poor and middle class spend their money when they have it. Their needs and wants lists are long. They pay taxes on it when it’s earned, and again on the things they buy.

Rich people hoard it, hide it in tax havens, yachts, loophole purchases, and even foreign countries. Or just as bad, they use it to hoard real estate which drives up the cost of housing. And worst of all, when they get ultra rich, they buy politicians and elections which negatively affect us all.

Have you ever heard of real estate taxes? I have not seen any exemption for expensive homes.

Taxes are for little people. If you don’t understand how ultra wealthy avoid taxes, you are too naive for this conversation.