Big Beautiful Bill

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Anonymous wrote:House Republicans are panicking about the draconian Senate bill. Remember, some of them were assured that they could safely vote for the House bill because the Senate would not cut Medicaid. Seems the Senate didn't get the memo. Oops.

Sucks for them and their constituents. Maybe they shouldn’t have voted for that turd pile

Er, the point is, if the Senate goes to far, then when the Bill goes back to the House, it won't pass.

They will fold. It’s the only thing they know how to do.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Statement from North America’s Building Trades Unions on Trump’s “Big Billionaire Bill”:

“If enacted, this stands to be the biggest job-killing bill in the history of this country. Simply put, it is the equivalent of terminating more than 1,000 Keystone XL pipeline projects”

Why? What provisions kill jobs?

There is about 38 billion invested in EVs and EV batteries plants that will be shut down and 200,000 factory jobs. This does not count the construction jobs. These 32 of the 37 manufacturing facilities are in red states. They will be closing or canceling plants in South Carolina, Georgia, Alabama etc.

This bill also goes after and shuts down green energy generation. That is 21% of the US grid and was to grow at 12% over the next decade to 45%. All of that stops. Construction is at a standstill still. Texas solar and wind industry is done. In 2015 Texas generated 12% from wind and solar. Now it generates 34%. This was projected to double by 2035. Some days Texas generates 76% of its electricity from wind and solar.

The difference with renewable and fossil fuels is the cost for renewables are up front. Build a solar or wind farm you have to pay for the plant all at once. Fossil fuel a big chunk of the cost is the cost of the fuel but you pay that as you use it. So it is cheaper in the short term without government subsidies to build fossils fuel plants.

The rest of the world is moving forward with this stuff. China has reduced its demand for oil so much that it is now past peak oil. The demand curve for oil is falling for the next decade in China and it keeps getting revised down wards. This is one of the reason for falling oil prices.

Trump and republicans are living in the 1970’s in terms of energy policy. This is f’ing crazy. This will put the US at a serious competitive disadvantage for the next 20 years.

DP, but to add, the bill would reduce US power generation through 2035 by 300GW, raise wholesale & retail power prices, increase household energy costs, reduce national GDP, & kill 100s of 1000s of jobs.

That will lead to blackouts because we know the people behind the data center will insist the Republicans cut power to the residential areas vs cut their power.

We are so f’ed

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Statement from North America’s Building Trades Unions on Trump’s “Big Billionaire Bill”:

“If enacted, this stands to be the biggest job-killing bill in the history of this country. Simply put, it is the equivalent of terminating more than 1,000 Keystone XL pipeline projects”

Why? What provisions kill jobs?

There is about 38 billion invested in EVs and EV batteries plants that will be shut down and 200,000 factory jobs. This does not count the construction jobs. These 32 of the 37 manufacturing facilities are in red states. They will be closing or canceling plants in South Carolina, Georgia, Alabama etc.

This bill also goes after and shuts down green energy generation. That is 21% of the US grid and was to grow at 12% over the next decade to 45%. All of that stops. Construction is at a standstill still. Texas solar and wind industry is done. In 2015 Texas generated 12% from wind and solar. Now it generates 34%. This was projected to double by 2035. Some days Texas generates 76% of its electricity from wind and solar.

The difference with renewable and fossil fuels is the cost for renewables are up front. Build a solar or wind farm you have to pay for the plant all at once. Fossil fuel a big chunk of the cost is the cost of the fuel but you pay that as you use it. So it is cheaper in the short term without government subsidies to build fossils fuel plants.

The rest of the world is moving forward with this stuff. China has reduced its demand for oil so much that it is now past peak oil. The demand curve for oil is falling for the next decade in China and it keeps getting revised down wards. This is one of the reason for falling oil prices.

Trump and republicans are living in the 1970’s in terms of energy policy. This is f’ing crazy. This will put the US at a serious competitive disadvantage for the next 20 years.

DP, but to add, the bill would reduce US power generation through 2035 by 300GW, raise wholesale & retail power prices, increase household energy costs, reduce national GDP, & kill 100s of 1000s of jobs.

That will lead to blackouts because we know the people behind the data center will insist the Republicans cut power to the residential areas vs cut their power.

We are so f’ed

This. They have not thought out AI. At all.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Statement from North America’s Building Trades Unions on Trump’s “Big Billionaire Bill”:

“If enacted, this stands to be the biggest job-killing bill in the history of this country. Simply put, it is the equivalent of terminating more than 1,000 Keystone XL pipeline projects”

Why? What provisions kill jobs?

There is about 38 billion invested in EVs and EV batteries plants that will be shut down and 200,000 factory jobs. This does not count the construction jobs. These 32 of the 37 manufacturing facilities are in red states. They will be closing or canceling plants in South Carolina, Georgia, Alabama etc.

This bill also goes after and shuts down green energy generation. That is 21% of the US grid and was to grow at 12% over the next decade to 45%. All of that stops. Construction is at a standstill still. Texas solar and wind industry is done. In 2015 Texas generated 12% from wind and solar. Now it generates 34%. This was projected to double by 2035. Some days Texas generates 76% of its electricity from wind and solar.

The difference with renewable and fossil fuels is the cost for renewables are up front. Build a solar or wind farm you have to pay for the plant all at once. Fossil fuel a big chunk of the cost is the cost of the fuel but you pay that as you use it. So it is cheaper in the short term without government subsidies to build fossils fuel plants.

The rest of the world is moving forward with this stuff. China has reduced its demand for oil so much that it is now past peak oil. The demand curve for oil is falling for the next decade in China and it keeps getting revised down wards. This is one of the reason for falling oil prices.

Trump and republicans are living in the 1970’s in terms of energy policy. This is f’ing crazy. This will put the US at a serious competitive disadvantage for the next 20 years.

except we have been subsidizing fossil fuels and particularly oil since say 1. So for the anti-green caucus to harp on about "green subsidies" while ignoring the military, health and environmental costs is just intellectually dishonest.

Without subsidies a gallon of gasoline would cost $11-$14 a gallon. Yipes! At those price biking to work make sense.

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and now Elon is going off. Maybe he can bribe some GOP to vote against this.

[Anonymous]

Collins has said that she is still a No. (Last night when she voted yes, she said then that she would not vote for the bill.) Randy and Tillis will not change their votes. If Collins votes No, the BBB will not pass.

It's fascinating how Senate Majority Leader Thune is doing absolutely nothing to push this bill. It's really a no-win situation for the Republicans, and at least some of them seem to know it.

[Anonymous]

So procedurally, if the Senate votes Yes, then the bill will go back to the House, possibly with a wraparound amendment. If the Senate voted No, then what? Can the House vote again on a new BBB and send it to the Senate? Or would The House vote on Several Smaller Beautiful Bills and send them to the Senate?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:This bill

1. Cuts $930 Billion from Medicaid
2. 16M people will lose health insurance
3. Slashes food assistance for poor families by $186 Billion
4. Lowers incomes for bottom 40% of families
5. Increases deficit by $3.3 Trillion dollars
6. $45 Billion for new immigration jails and another several hundred billion for more ICE forces
7. Billions for defense contractors

The funny thing is the defense contractors are going to lose the NATO market. This will drive cost way up. The only country who will “buy” our weapons will be Israel and they really do not buy the weapons. We give the weapons.

What weapons are you talking about? I completely disagree but I’m more in a niche weapons field.

Pretty much everything we make. From f-35, artillery, air/missile defense, offensive missiles, satellite surveillance, electronic warfare, signal intelligence etc, etc. Europe has come to the conclusion that the US is not a reliable ally. US systems are dependent on the US willingness to supply parts, maintenance and updates. The US weapons are extremely expensive. Plus the back logs are crazy. Look at the US submarines sales to Australia. What is the turn around time 10-15 years? Australia will most likely buy the French submarines. ATACMS Have a what 2-3 year back log?

Europe is building out their defense industry and US weapons are not going to be a part of it. Europe does not need f-35 and other extremely expensive weapon systems to defend Europe. Read up on what is happening in Europe. They are going it alone as quickly as possible.

Also you do not need systems like the f-35 or f-47 to defeat Russia crappy weapons and Israel is planning to attack Turkey. Which side will the US land on if that happens?

PARIS — European nations are in the process of pouring billions of dollars into their defense budgets, individually and collectively, quickly becoming one of the hottest growth markets for defense on the planet. As Anduril executive Greg Kausner put it, the continent is “having a moment right now.”

And at this year’s Paris Air Show, it was evident that the influx of cash has caught the attention of American companies eager to expand their customer base and to do what they can to dive, Scrooge McDuck-style, into that new European pot of money.

But nailing down contracts may not be so easy. Geopolitical tensions between Washington and European capitals have pushed European officials to look more to European solutions, favoring — and in some cases mandating — domestic production of defense articles to reinforce national sovereignty.

https://breakingdefense.com/2025/06/europe-is-pouring-money-into-defense-can-us-firms-reap-the-reward-amid-trans-atlantic-tension/

Increased defense spending could significantly boost Europe’s economic growth and industrial base if outlays are targeted at high-tech, regionally made armaments. A new Kiel Report by the Kiel Institute shows that gross domestic product (GDP) could increase by 0.9 percent to 1.5 percent per year if governments raised annual defense spending from the NATO target of 2 percent to 3.5 percent of GDP and shifted from buying weapons designed and mainly made in the USA to home-grown innovations

https://www.ifw-kiel.de/publications/news/guns-and-growth-the-economic-consequences-of-surging-defense-spending/

https://www.cnn.com/2025/03/06/business/europe-military-spending-economic-growth-intl

https://www.goldmansachs.com/insights/articles/how-much-will-rising-defense-spending-boost-europes-economy

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2025/3/21/europe-working-on-plan-to-replace-us-in-nato-in-five-to-10-years-report

The European press is even better with its coverage.

Begone BoomerBot!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Collins has said that she is still a No. (Last night when she voted yes, she said then that she would not vote for the bill.) Randy and Tillis will not change their votes. If Collins votes No, the BBB will not pass.

It's fascinating how Senate Majority Leader Thune is doing absolutely nothing to push this bill. It's really a no-win situation for the Republicans, and at least some of them seem to know it.

Murkowski with the Kodiak deal collapsing could be a no too.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:House Republicans are panicking about the draconian Senate bill. Remember, some of them were assured that they could safely vote for the House bill because the Senate would not cut Medicaid. Seems the Senate didn't get the memo. Oops.

Sucks for them and their constituents. Maybe they shouldn’t have voted for that turd pile

Er, the point is, if the Senate goes to far, then when the Bill goes back to the House, it won't pass.

They will fold. It’s the only thing they know how to do.

100 percent on point! They always fold. Losers

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:So procedurally, if the Senate votes Yes, then the bill will go back to the House, possibly with a wraparound amendment. If the Senate voted No, then what? Can the House vote again on a new BBB and send it to the Senate? Or would The House vote on Several Smaller Beautiful Bills and send them to the Senate?

If the Senate passes a bill, then it would go to a reconcilliation conference, unless the House wanted to simply rubber stamp the Senate bill - which seems unlikely given the Freedom Caucus revolt at the debt increase.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Collins has said that she is still a No. (Last night when she voted yes, she said then that she would not vote for the bill.) Randy and Tillis will not change their votes. If Collins votes No, the BBB will not pass.

It's fascinating how Senate Majority Leader Thune is doing absolutely nothing to push this bill. It's really a no-win situation for the Republicans, and at least some of them seem to know it.

Murkowski with the Kodiak deal collapsing could be a no too.

She or Susan Collins will vote yes. They always do. Then it will go to the House and pass. This is just stupid drama.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Collins has said that she is still a No. (Last night when she voted yes, she said then that she would not vote for the bill.) Randy and Tillis will not change their votes. If Collins votes No, the BBB will not pass.

It's fascinating how Senate Majority Leader Thune is doing absolutely nothing to push this bill. It's really a no-win situation for the Republicans, and at least some of them seem to know it.

Murkowski with the Kodiak deal collapsing could be a no too.

She or Susan Collins will vote yes. They always do. Then it will go to the House and pass. This is just stupid drama.

They all know how disasterous this would be for the country. It would be nice to believe for once, just once, 4 of them could do the right thing.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Collins has said that she is still a No. (Last night when she voted yes, she said then that she would not vote for the bill.) Randy and Tillis will not change their votes. If Collins votes No, the BBB will not pass.

It's fascinating how Senate Majority Leader Thune is doing absolutely nothing to push this bill. It's really a no-win situation for the Republicans, and at least some of them seem to know it.

Murkowski with the Kodiak deal collapsing could be a no too.

She or Susan Collins will vote yes. They always do. Then it will go to the House and pass. This is just stupid drama.

Yup. They always fold and then pretend to have righteous indignation about it.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Statement from North America’s Building Trades Unions on Trump’s “Big Billionaire Bill”:

“If enacted, this stands to be the biggest job-killing bill in the history of this country. Simply put, it is the equivalent of terminating more than 1,000 Keystone XL pipeline projects”

Why? What provisions kill jobs?

There is about 38 billion invested in EVs and EV batteries plants that will be shut down and 200,000 factory jobs. This does not count the construction jobs. These 32 of the 37 manufacturing facilities are in red states. They will be closing or canceling plants in South Carolina, Georgia, Alabama etc.

This bill also goes after and shuts down green energy generation. That is 21% of the US grid and was to grow at 12% over the next decade to 45%. All of that stops. Construction is at a standstill still. Texas solar and wind industry is done. In 2015 Texas generated 12% from wind and solar. Now it generates 34%. This was projected to double by 2035. Some days Texas generates 76% of its electricity from wind and solar.

The difference with renewable and fossil fuels is the cost for renewables are up front. Build a solar or wind farm you have to pay for the plant all at once. Fossil fuel a big chunk of the cost is the cost of the fuel but you pay that as you use it. So it is cheaper in the short term without government subsidies to build fossils fuel plants.

The rest of the world is moving forward with this stuff. China has reduced its demand for oil so much that it is now past peak oil. The demand curve for oil is falling for the next decade in China and it keeps getting revised down wards. This is one of the reason for falling oil prices.

Trump and republicans are living in the 1970’s in terms of energy policy. This is f’ing crazy. This will put the US at a serious competitive disadvantage for the next 20 years.

DP, but to add, the bill would reduce US power generation through 2035 by 300GW, raise wholesale & retail power prices, increase household energy costs, reduce national GDP, & kill 100s of 1000s of jobs.

That will lead to blackouts because we know the people behind the data center will insist the Republicans cut power to the residential areas vs cut their power.

We are so f’ed

This. They have not thought out AI. At all.

How do you "think out" something nobody understands but needs to go full bore for national defense implications?