Kamala Harris for President

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Anonymous wrote:Can Biden step down and hand Kamala the 47th presidency and she run as the incumbent?

If Biden isn't well enough to run, he's not well enough to lead. If Dems were genuinely as excited about Harris as posters here say, they would do this. That would lock in the nomination for Harris. Absent that, anything can happen in an open convention.

The convention is purely ceremonial. You get that. Right? Because the convention is being help after the Ohio deadline and maybe 1-2 others to submit the nominee. And no one trusts Ohio Rs when they say they will make an exception and put the Dem nominee on the ballot despite that, especially now. So, the actual delegate voting will start no earlier than 8/1 and will be completed no later than 8/7, via a virtual convention. And as of last evening, Harris had well over the number of delegates she needs. She’ll get the nomination in a virtual vote next week. That plan was announced under Biden when it became clear Ohio might try to keep him off the ballot. And it was announced yesterday that was still the plan. As it should be. I don’t trust Ohio or a red state to put Harris on the ballot.

By the time we reach the convention, she’s been formally nominated for a couple of weeks and already had her name submitted to the states. The convention is just free prime time and speeches and tag rah go team.

Why is the convention so late? Good question. The incumbent party goes last, and they are programming against the Olympics.

They chose television programming over ballot deadlines, and you want me to vote for them with that kind of judgment?

Trump tweets our national intelligence details, but you think he has good judgement?

No, I don’t.

Moderates, swing voters, independents: you need our votes. For many of us, it isn’t a choice between Democrats and MAGA. It’s a choice between Democrats and staying home.

A lot of us haven’t seen the Democrats do enough to preserve what we care about: ending school shootings, protecting gay marriage from a Dobbs-type overturn, national healthcare, and reforms of so many basic social systems that have become rampantly predatory. They lost Roe. They didn’t do enough, they took it for granted, and they lost it, and I have zero faith that it won’t happen again. There is no anti-Project 2025 plan from the Democrats. There is a lot of fundraising against its spectre, but no plan.

And we see that if MAGA doesn’t win in 2024, it will only be a stay of execution; we will have Project 2029 instead.

Most of the Democrat voters don’t want to have this conversation, though. They want to assume I’m a MAGA follower for questioning what the Democrats are doing.

Dems cannot do what you want unless there is a majority in the House and a filibuster proof majority in the senate. So staying home means letting the GOP run roughshod over the country. How about supporting Dems and findng a handful of reasonable GOP who are willing to do something to protect human rights, and limit the damage the guns can do to our children.

Dems had this many times in the past decade +. They don’t pass anything progressive and left everything to the states to pass their own minimum wage and deal with abortion laws . Some of these states had abortion restrictions long before Dobbs in 2022.

This is due to Democratic failure

They had a filibuster proof majority for less than a year into Obama's first term at the start of one of the worst financial crises since the Great Depression. They got the ACA passed while seeking GOP buy in along with a stimulus act. Everything else was focused on getting us out of the next Great Depression, nitwit.

Yes, the bailout recycled from Bush that he passed bailing out the banks instead of jailing them and bailing out the homeowners . He used all that time to pass Romney care and extend Bush tax cuts for the rich (of course) then blamed young people/millennials for sitting out the midterms. The Dems have the audacity to blame progressives and young people . They sit out elections because they do nothing. Instead of fake tears over Sandy Hook, they should’ve passed assault weapon bans when they had the filibuster proof majorities which was often.

Republicans did not win the Senate and Congress at all and were decimated post-Bush and even Before in 2006. I remember Nancy Pelosi refused to impeach Bush over lying about Iraq but they all spent billions in tax payer funds to impeach Trump twice for paying porn stars and classified docs and failed

Filibuster proof majorities were there for far more than a year .

The Dems are nothing but a cluster f of disappointment to progressives pushed toward Trump like myself . The Dem Party deserves to burn to ash and rebuild from the beginning

The Democrats are a coalition of many interests. What has the GOP ever done for you? I'll wait. The sad thing is, they can just obstruct because, other than tax cuts and now mass deportations, they don't have any policies. Or rather, they don't have any popular policies. It's just easier to block the other side and say, "See government doesn't work. Vote for me!"

You are missing the lede. You aren’t talking to MAGA here. It’s not Dems vs MAGA. It’s Dems vs stay home.

We know you feel energized and hopeful. And that’s great! But we don’t. A Harris vote seems like kicking the can down the road. We turned out for HRC. We turned out for Biden-Harris. We still lost our rights and the Dems have shown us no plans to fight back, just asking us for cash and votes.

The best thing we can all do is make sure she has the House and Senate with Senators who will bypass the filibuster. Other thank that, what do you want? Be specific.

Other than that... what do you want?

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Anonymous wrote:So Harris, who has served at every level of government, including a stint as the AG for the state of California and serving in the US Senate, is somehow less qualified than a white male fail son who went bankrupt running legal casinos.

Yeah, OK.

So this is the prob with most people. Holding office is very different than looking at the results of that experience. You can be put into many situations but if your record shows faults, it's with examining and analyzing to see if it's the person in charge or out of their control issues. In her case, she has a pattern of scary and controversial actions esp as CA AG. I would also not suggest she's been awesome being VP. Just because you can tack on the titles does not mean she's been good doing the work. There's a huge difference in being effective and holding office and serious questions on her performance overall.

Again, you can put a bandaid on it and I get that there's not much else you can do currently than this but let's all not put our heads in the sand and pretend she is the best we have of all time to be POTUS!

I'm a diversity female so I also get how thrilling it is that she's different and exciting but it does not make her better or good. It simply makes her different.

I wish people were less emotional. Yes Trump is terrible but it's so important to not misconstrue a candidate as a better one v different one. Kamala is different but not actually better in all the ways an effective POTUS would be.

I disagreed a lot with Obama esp in foreign policy as a Dem but I respect him as someone truly effective in his time. He had the intellect, character and ability to lead in a way Kamala does not. For me, he's awesome. Not because I agreed with him on everything but because I respected him. I do not respect Kamala. If you've seen her in action, I'm not sure how you disagree!

Word salad without sources. I disagree on Obama. I voted for him 2x. He is intelligent, charismatic, but he royally screwed up on a few critical decisions that we are paying for now.

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Anonymous wrote:Can Biden step down and hand Kamala the 47th presidency and she run as the incumbent?

If Biden isn't well enough to run, he's not well enough to lead. If Dems were genuinely as excited about Harris as posters here say, they would do this. That would lock in the nomination for Harris. Absent that, anything can happen in an open convention.

The convention is purely ceremonial. You get that. Right? Because the convention is being help after the Ohio deadline and maybe 1-2 others to submit the nominee. And no one trusts Ohio Rs when they say they will make an exception and put the Dem nominee on the ballot despite that, especially now. So, the actual delegate voting will start no earlier than 8/1 and will be completed no later than 8/7, via a virtual convention. And as of last evening, Harris had well over the number of delegates she needs. She’ll get the nomination in a virtual vote next week. That plan was announced under Biden when it became clear Ohio might try to keep him off the ballot. And it was announced yesterday that was still the plan. As it should be. I don’t trust Ohio or a red state to put Harris on the ballot.

By the time we reach the convention, she’s been formally nominated for a couple of weeks and already had her name submitted to the states. The convention is just free prime time and speeches and tag rah go team.

Why is the convention so late? Good question. The incumbent party goes last, and they are programming against the Olympics.

They chose television programming over ballot deadlines, and you want me to vote for them with that kind of judgment?

Trump tweets our national intelligence details, but you think he has good judgement?

No, I don’t.

Moderates, swing voters, independents: you need our votes. For many of us, it isn’t a choice between Democrats and MAGA. It’s a choice between Democrats and staying home.

A lot of us haven’t seen the Democrats do enough to preserve what we care about: ending school shootings, protecting gay marriage from a Dobbs-type overturn, national healthcare, and reforms of so many basic social systems that have become rampantly predatory. They lost Roe. They didn’t do enough, they took it for granted, and they lost it, and I have zero faith that it won’t happen again. There is no anti-Project 2025 plan from the Democrats. There is a lot of fundraising against its spectre, but no plan.

And we see that if MAGA doesn’t win in 2024, it will only be a stay of execution; we will have Project 2029 instead.

Most of the Democrat voters don’t want to have this conversation, though. They want to assume I’m a MAGA follower for questioning what the Democrats are doing.

Dems cannot do what you want unless there is a majority in the House and a filibuster proof majority in the senate. So staying home means letting the GOP run roughshod over the country. How about supporting Dems and findng a handful of reasonable GOP who are willing to do something to protect human rights, and limit the damage the guns can do to our children.

Dems had this many times in the past decade +. They don’t pass anything progressive and left everything to the states to pass their own minimum wage and deal with abortion laws . Some of these states had abortion restrictions long before Dobbs in 2022.

This is due to Democratic failure

They had a filibuster proof majority for less than a year into Obama's first term at the start of one of the worst financial crises since the Great Depression. They got the ACA passed while seeking GOP buy in along with a stimulus act. Everything else was focused on getting us out of the next Great Depression, nitwit.

Yes, the bailout recycled from Bush that he passed bailing out the banks instead of jailing them and bailing out the homeowners . He used all that time to pass Romney care and extend Bush tax cuts for the rich (of course) then blamed young people/millennials for sitting out the midterms. The Dems have the audacity to blame progressives and young people . They sit out elections because they do nothing. Instead of fake tears over Sandy Hook, they should’ve passed assault weapon bans when they had the filibuster proof majorities which was often.

Republicans did not win the Senate and Congress at all and were decimated post-Bush and even Before in 2006. I remember Nancy Pelosi refused to impeach Bush over lying about Iraq but they all spent billions in tax payer funds to impeach Trump twice for paying porn stars and classified docs and failed

Filibuster proof majorities were there for far more than a year .

The Dems are nothing but a cluster f of disappointment to progressives pushed toward Trump like myself . The Dem Party deserves to burn to ash and rebuild from the beginning

The Democrats are a coalition of many interests. What has the GOP ever done for you? I'll wait. The sad thing is, they can just obstruct because, other than tax cuts and now mass deportations, they don't have any policies. Or rather, they don't have any popular policies. It's just easier to block the other side and say, "See government doesn't work. Vote for me!"

You are missing the lede. You aren’t talking to MAGA here. It’s not Dems vs MAGA. It’s Dems vs stay home.

We know you feel energized and hopeful. And that’s great! But we don’t. A Harris vote seems like kicking the can down the road. We turned out for HRC. We turned out for Biden-Harris. We still lost our rights and the Dems have shown us no plans to fight back, just asking us for cash and votes.

You know what, just stay home and suffer Project 202t.

Seriously.

I’m asking what the Dem plan is to codify law or otherwise prevent it from happening. Because if they don’t have a plan, and execute it, it’s coming.

But asking these questions is deeply unpopular.

I answered you earlier and you didn’t respond

And if they don’t there will at minimum be:

1. Robust defense of the abortion pill against the crazies trying to get the FDA to revoke its approval.
2. Support for people who need to travel between states for abortion and no bans on women’s travel.
3. Appointment of justices who believe women’s healthcare should be protected.

Yeah this isn’t enough— but it’s so much better than what we’d get under Trump.

Which of these don’t deserve your support? We can vote from home now— you can’t fill out a paper form to protect access to the abortion pill?

And how don't lie under oath when asked specifically.

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Anonymous wrote:Anyone else watching her speech in Milwaukee right now? She is FANTASTIC!

Speaking in a high school gym?

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Anonymous wrote:Can Biden step down and hand Kamala the 47th presidency and she run as the incumbent?

If Biden isn't well enough to run, he's not well enough to lead. If Dems were genuinely as excited about Harris as posters here say, they would do this. That would lock in the nomination for Harris. Absent that, anything can happen in an open convention.

The convention is purely ceremonial. You get that. Right? Because the convention is being help after the Ohio deadline and maybe 1-2 others to submit the nominee. And no one trusts Ohio Rs when they say they will make an exception and put the Dem nominee on the ballot despite that, especially now. So, the actual delegate voting will start no earlier than 8/1 and will be completed no later than 8/7, via a virtual convention. And as of last evening, Harris had well over the number of delegates she needs. She’ll get the nomination in a virtual vote next week. That plan was announced under Biden when it became clear Ohio might try to keep him off the ballot. And it was announced yesterday that was still the plan. As it should be. I don’t trust Ohio or a red state to put Harris on the ballot.

By the time we reach the convention, she’s been formally nominated for a couple of weeks and already had her name submitted to the states. The convention is just free prime time and speeches and tag rah go team.

Why is the convention so late? Good question. The incumbent party goes last, and they are programming against the Olympics.

They chose television programming over ballot deadlines, and you want me to vote for them with that kind of judgment?

Trump tweets our national intelligence details, but you think he has good judgement?

No, I don’t.

Moderates, swing voters, independents: you need our votes. For many of us, it isn’t a choice between Democrats and MAGA. It’s a choice between Democrats and staying home.

A lot of us haven’t seen the Democrats do enough to preserve what we care about: ending school shootings, protecting gay marriage from a Dobbs-type overturn, national healthcare, and reforms of so many basic social systems that have become rampantly predatory. They lost Roe. They didn’t do enough, they took it for granted, and they lost it, and I have zero faith that it won’t happen again. There is no anti-Project 2025 plan from the Democrats. There is a lot of fundraising against its spectre, but no plan.

And we see that if MAGA doesn’t win in 2024, it will only be a stay of execution; we will have Project 2029 instead.

Most of the Democrat voters don’t want to have this conversation, though. They want to assume I’m a MAGA follower for questioning what the Democrats are doing.

Dems cannot do what you want unless there is a majority in the House and a filibuster proof majority in the senate. So staying home means letting the GOP run roughshod over the country. How about supporting Dems and findng a handful of reasonable GOP who are willing to do something to protect human rights, and limit the damage the guns can do to our children.

Dems had this many times in the past decade +. They don’t pass anything progressive and left everything to the states to pass their own minimum wage and deal with abortion laws . Some of these states had abortion restrictions long before Dobbs in 2022.

This is due to Democratic failure

They had a filibuster proof majority for less than a year into Obama's first term at the start of one of the worst financial crises since the Great Depression. They got the ACA passed while seeking GOP buy in along with a stimulus act. Everything else was focused on getting us out of the next Great Depression, nitwit.

Yes, the bailout recycled from Bush that he passed bailing out the banks instead of jailing them and bailing out the homeowners . He used all that time to pass Romney care and extend Bush tax cuts for the rich (of course) then blamed young people/millennials for sitting out the midterms. The Dems have the audacity to blame progressives and young people . They sit out elections because they do nothing. Instead of fake tears over Sandy Hook, they should’ve passed assault weapon bans when they had the filibuster proof majorities which was often.

Republicans did not win the Senate and Congress at all and were decimated post-Bush and even Before in 2006. I remember Nancy Pelosi refused to impeach Bush over lying about Iraq but they all spent billions in tax payer funds to impeach Trump twice for paying porn stars and classified docs and failed

Filibuster proof majorities were there for far more than a year .

The Dems are nothing but a cluster f of disappointment to progressives pushed toward Trump like myself . The Dem Party deserves to burn to ash and rebuild from the beginning

The Democrats are a coalition of many interests. What has the GOP ever done for you? I'll wait. The sad thing is, they can just obstruct because, other than tax cuts and now mass deportations, they don't have any policies. Or rather, they don't have any popular policies. It's just easier to block the other side and say, "See government doesn't work. Vote for me!"

You are missing the lede. You aren’t talking to MAGA here. It’s not Dems vs MAGA. It’s Dems vs stay home.

We know you feel energized and hopeful. And that’s great! But we don’t. A Harris vote seems like kicking the can down the road. We turned out for HRC. We turned out for Biden-Harris. We still lost our rights and the Dems have shown us no plans to fight back, just asking us for cash and votes.

You know what, just stay home and suffer Project 202t.

Seriously.

I’m asking what the Dem plan is to codify law or otherwise prevent it from happening. Because if they don’t have a plan, and execute it, it’s coming.

But asking these questions is deeply unpopular.

They will need to hope one or two conservative justices leave the SCOTUS or in the alternative develop a plan that the GOP would support to expand the court to cover all of the circuit courts.
They will need to pass a lot of legislation codifying our norms and practices, some of which may need GOP support.

Beyond that, they will need to continue to act with decency and hope the American public values that, and then levies the same expectation of behavior on the right.

If Dems keep the Senate (I think they will now) she can expand the court. Term limits take constitutional amendment.

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Anonymous wrote:Can Biden step down and hand Kamala the 47th presidency and she run as the incumbent?

If Biden isn't well enough to run, he's not well enough to lead. If Dems were genuinely as excited about Harris as posters here say, they would do this. That would lock in the nomination for Harris. Absent that, anything can happen in an open convention.

The convention is purely ceremonial. You get that. Right? Because the convention is being help after the Ohio deadline and maybe 1-2 others to submit the nominee. And no one trusts Ohio Rs when they say they will make an exception and put the Dem nominee on the ballot despite that, especially now. So, the actual delegate voting will start no earlier than 8/1 and will be completed no later than 8/7, via a virtual convention. And as of last evening, Harris had well over the number of delegates she needs. She’ll get the nomination in a virtual vote next week. That plan was announced under Biden when it became clear Ohio might try to keep him off the ballot. And it was announced yesterday that was still the plan. As it should be. I don’t trust Ohio or a red state to put Harris on the ballot.

By the time we reach the convention, she’s been formally nominated for a couple of weeks and already had her name submitted to the states. The convention is just free prime time and speeches and tag rah go team.

Why is the convention so late? Good question. The incumbent party goes last, and they are programming against the Olympics.

They chose television programming over ballot deadlines, and you want me to vote for them with that kind of judgment?

Trump tweets our national intelligence details, but you think he has good judgement?

No, I don’t.

Moderates, swing voters, independents: you need our votes. For many of us, it isn’t a choice between Democrats and MAGA. It’s a choice between Democrats and staying home.

A lot of us haven’t seen the Democrats do enough to preserve what we care about: ending school shootings, protecting gay marriage from a Dobbs-type overturn, national healthcare, and reforms of so many basic social systems that have become rampantly predatory. They lost Roe. They didn’t do enough, they took it for granted, and they lost it, and I have zero faith that it won’t happen again. There is no anti-Project 2025 plan from the Democrats. There is a lot of fundraising against its spectre, but no plan.

And we see that if MAGA doesn’t win in 2024, it will only be a stay of execution; we will have Project 2029 instead.

Most of the Democrat voters don’t want to have this conversation, though. They want to assume I’m a MAGA follower for questioning what the Democrats are doing.

Dems cannot do what you want unless there is a majority in the House and a filibuster proof majority in the senate. So staying home means letting the GOP run roughshod over the country. How about supporting Dems and findng a handful of reasonable GOP who are willing to do something to protect human rights, and limit the damage the guns can do to our children.

Dems had this many times in the past decade +. They don’t pass anything progressive and left everything to the states to pass their own minimum wage and deal with abortion laws . Some of these states had abortion restrictions long before Dobbs in 2022.

This is due to Democratic failure

They had a filibuster proof majority for less than a year into Obama's first term at the start of one of the worst financial crises since the Great Depression. They got the ACA passed while seeking GOP buy in along with a stimulus act. Everything else was focused on getting us out of the next Great Depression, nitwit.

Yes, the bailout recycled from Bush that he passed bailing out the banks instead of jailing them and bailing out the homeowners . He used all that time to pass Romney care and extend Bush tax cuts for the rich (of course) then blamed young people/millennials for sitting out the midterms. The Dems have the audacity to blame progressives and young people . They sit out elections because they do nothing. Instead of fake tears over Sandy Hook, they should’ve passed assault weapon bans when they had the filibuster proof majorities which was often.

Republicans did not win the Senate and Congress at all and were decimated post-Bush and even Before in 2006. I remember Nancy Pelosi refused to impeach Bush over lying about Iraq but they all spent billions in tax payer funds to impeach Trump twice for paying porn stars and classified docs and failed

Filibuster proof majorities were there for far more than a year .

The Dems are nothing but a cluster f of disappointment to progressives pushed toward Trump like myself . The Dem Party deserves to burn to ash and rebuild from the beginning

The Democrats are a coalition of many interests. What has the GOP ever done for you? I'll wait. The sad thing is, they can just obstruct because, other than tax cuts and now mass deportations, they don't have any policies. Or rather, they don't have any popular policies. It's just easier to block the other side and say, "See government doesn't work. Vote for me!"

You are missing the lede. You aren’t talking to MAGA here. It’s not Dems vs MAGA. It’s Dems vs stay home.

We know you feel energized and hopeful. And that’s great! But we don’t. A Harris vote seems like kicking the can down the road. We turned out for HRC. We turned out for Biden-Harris. We still lost our rights and the Dems have shown us no plans to fight back, just asking us for cash and votes.

You know what, just stay home and suffer Project 202t.

Seriously.

I’m asking what the Dem plan is to codify law or otherwise prevent it from happening. Because if they don’t have a plan, and execute it, it’s coming.

But asking these questions is deeply unpopular.

I answered you earlier and you didn’t respond

And if they don’t there will at minimum be:

1. Robust defense of the abortion pill against the crazies trying to get the FDA to revoke its approval.
2. Support for people who need to travel between states for abortion and no bans on women’s travel.
3. Appointment of justices who believe women’s healthcare should be protected.

Yeah this isn’t enough— but it’s so much better than what we’d get under Trump.

Which of these don’t deserve your support? We can vote from home now— you can’t fill out a paper form to protect access to the abortion pill?

NO!

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Anonymous wrote:So Harris, who has served at every level of government, including a stint as the AG for the state of California and serving in the US Senate, is somehow less qualified than a white male fail son who went bankrupt running legal casinos.

Yeah, OK.

So this is the prob with most people. Holding office is very different than looking at the results of that experience. You can be put into many situations but if your record shows faults, it's with examining and analyzing to see if it's the person in charge or out of their control issues. In her case, she has a pattern of scary and controversial actions esp as CA AG. I would also not suggest she's been awesome being VP. Just because you can tack on the titles does not mean she's been good doing the work. There's a huge difference in being effective and holding office and serious questions on her performance overall.

Again, you can put a bandaid on it and I get that there's not much else you can do currently than this but let's all not put our heads in the sand and pretend she is the best we have of all time to be POTUS!

I'm a diversity female so I also get how thrilling it is that she's different and exciting but it does not make her better or good. It simply makes her different.

I wish people were less emotional. Yes Trump is terrible but it's so important to not misconstrue a candidate as a better one v different one. Kamala is different but not actually better in all the ways an effective POTUS would be.

I disagreed a lot with Obama esp in foreign policy as a Dem but I respect him as someone truly effective in his time. He had the intellect, character and ability to lead in a way Kamala does not. For me, he's awesome. Not because I agreed with him on everything but because I respected him. I do not respect Kamala. If you've seen her in action, I'm not sure how you disagree!

Word salad without sources. I disagree on Obama. I voted for him 2x. He is intelligent, charismatic, but he royally screwed up on a few critical decisions that we are paying for now.

First: Don't expect politicians to do all the work. What besides voting for Obama did you do? Did you campaign for vulnerable House races in 2010? Did you write letters of support? Or did you think one time voting every 4 years was enough?

Second: What do you want to do NOW? Complaining about the past does nothing. Find a campaign or voter outreach org and get involved.

Signed, 2x Obama supporter who didn't do anything other than vote and I was wrong.

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Anonymous wrote:Can Biden step down and hand Kamala the 47th presidency and she run as the incumbent?

If Biden isn't well enough to run, he's not well enough to lead. If Dems were genuinely as excited about Harris as posters here say, they would do this. That would lock in the nomination for Harris. Absent that, anything can happen in an open convention.

The convention is purely ceremonial. You get that. Right? Because the convention is being help after the Ohio deadline and maybe 1-2 others to submit the nominee. And no one trusts Ohio Rs when they say they will make an exception and put the Dem nominee on the ballot despite that, especially now. So, the actual delegate voting will start no earlier than 8/1 and will be completed no later than 8/7, via a virtual convention. And as of last evening, Harris had well over the number of delegates she needs. She’ll get the nomination in a virtual vote next week. That plan was announced under Biden when it became clear Ohio might try to keep him off the ballot. And it was announced yesterday that was still the plan. As it should be. I don’t trust Ohio or a red state to put Harris on the ballot.

By the time we reach the convention, she’s been formally nominated for a couple of weeks and already had her name submitted to the states. The convention is just free prime time and speeches and tag rah go team.

Why is the convention so late? Good question. The incumbent party goes last, and they are programming against the Olympics.

They chose television programming over ballot deadlines, and you want me to vote for them with that kind of judgment?

Trump tweets our national intelligence details, but you think he has good judgement?

No, I don’t.

Moderates, swing voters, independents: you need our votes. For many of us, it isn’t a choice between Democrats and MAGA. It’s a choice between Democrats and staying home.

A lot of us haven’t seen the Democrats do enough to preserve what we care about: ending school shootings, protecting gay marriage from a Dobbs-type overturn, national healthcare, and reforms of so many basic social systems that have become rampantly predatory. They lost Roe. They didn’t do enough, they took it for granted, and they lost it, and I have zero faith that it won’t happen again. There is no anti-Project 2025 plan from the Democrats. There is a lot of fundraising against its spectre, but no plan.

And we see that if MAGA doesn’t win in 2024, it will only be a stay of execution; we will have Project 2029 instead.

Most of the Democrat voters don’t want to have this conversation, though. They want to assume I’m a MAGA follower for questioning what the Democrats are doing.

Dems cannot do what you want unless there is a majority in the House and a filibuster proof majority in the senate. So staying home means letting the GOP run roughshod over the country. How about supporting Dems and findng a handful of reasonable GOP who are willing to do something to protect human rights, and limit the damage the guns can do to our children.

Dems had this many times in the past decade +. They don’t pass anything progressive and left everything to the states to pass their own minimum wage and deal with abortion laws . Some of these states had abortion restrictions long before Dobbs in 2022.

This is due to Democratic failure

They had a filibuster proof majority for less than a year into Obama's first term at the start of one of the worst financial crises since the Great Depression. They got the ACA passed while seeking GOP buy in along with a stimulus act. Everything else was focused on getting us out of the next Great Depression, nitwit.

Yes, the bailout recycled from Bush that he passed bailing out the banks instead of jailing them and bailing out the homeowners . He used all that time to pass Romney care and extend Bush tax cuts for the rich (of course) then blamed young people/millennials for sitting out the midterms. The Dems have the audacity to blame progressives and young people . They sit out elections because they do nothing. Instead of fake tears over Sandy Hook, they should’ve passed assault weapon bans when they had the filibuster proof majorities which was often.

Republicans did not win the Senate and Congress at all and were decimated post-Bush and even Before in 2006. I remember Nancy Pelosi refused to impeach Bush over lying about Iraq but they all spent billions in tax payer funds to impeach Trump twice for paying porn stars and classified docs and failed

Filibuster proof majorities were there for far more than a year .

The Dems are nothing but a cluster f of disappointment to progressives pushed toward Trump like myself . The Dem Party deserves to burn to ash and rebuild from the beginning

The Democrats are a coalition of many interests. What has the GOP ever done for you? I'll wait. The sad thing is, they can just obstruct because, other than tax cuts and now mass deportations, they don't have any policies. Or rather, they don't have any popular policies. It's just easier to block the other side and say, "See government doesn't work. Vote for me!"

You are missing the lede. You aren’t talking to MAGA here. It’s not Dems vs MAGA. It’s Dems vs stay home.

We know you feel energized and hopeful. And that’s great! But we don’t. A Harris vote seems like kicking the can down the road. We turned out for HRC. We turned out for Biden-Harris. We still lost our rights and the Dems have shown us no plans to fight back, just asking us for cash and votes.

You know what, just stay home and suffer Project 202t.

Seriously.

+1, and I'm the PP you were responding to. I'm sick of hearing about how the perfect Democrat isn't catering to your needs or hasn't accomplished what you want. What the hell are YOU doing to accomplish these things? Just stay home and let a national abortion ban become law, the conservative Supreme Court majority stay that way for the next 20+ years (because you know Alito and Thomas will retire if Trump is elected) and Project 2025 does its thing. Ignore Biden's Infrastructure Bill, his Climate Bill, his Chips Act, his Supreme Court pick, getting us out of Afghanistan and recovering from the most recent recession with the best recovery of any developed country.

No, you didn't turn out for Biden. He got a narrow majority in the House and a barely a majority in the Senate and was blocked at every turn by the GOP and the filibuster in the Senate. Unless that gets repealed, that'll be the same issue facing Democrats unless they get 60 votes. They'll be lucky this round to get a majority. Oh, and let's not forget that the liars on the Supreme Court undid decades of precedent in the last two years.

You want real change? You want what FDR or LBJ accomplished? Voting Rights, Healthcare, fully funded social safety net, better regulations to protect workers, consumers and the environment, then you need a landslide victory and with down ballots and not just for two years. The GOP has been playing the long game for decades -- until they are penalized at the ballot box for cynically sabotaging everything the Democrats work for, nothing will change.

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Anonymous wrote:Can Biden step down and hand Kamala the 47th presidency and she run as the incumbent?

If Biden isn't well enough to run, he's not well enough to lead. If Dems were genuinely as excited about Harris as posters here say, they would do this. That would lock in the nomination for Harris. Absent that, anything can happen in an open convention.

The convention is purely ceremonial. You get that. Right? Because the convention is being help after the Ohio deadline and maybe 1-2 others to submit the nominee. And no one trusts Ohio Rs when they say they will make an exception and put the Dem nominee on the ballot despite that, especially now. So, the actual delegate voting will start no earlier than 8/1 and will be completed no later than 8/7, via a virtual convention. And as of last evening, Harris had well over the number of delegates she needs. She’ll get the nomination in a virtual vote next week. That plan was announced under Biden when it became clear Ohio might try to keep him off the ballot. And it was announced yesterday that was still the plan. As it should be. I don’t trust Ohio or a red state to put Harris on the ballot.

By the time we reach the convention, she’s been formally nominated for a couple of weeks and already had her name submitted to the states. The convention is just free prime time and speeches and tag rah go team.

Why is the convention so late? Good question. The incumbent party goes last, and they are programming against the Olympics.

They chose television programming over ballot deadlines, and you want me to vote for them with that kind of judgment?

Trump tweets our national intelligence details, but you think he has good judgement?

No, I don’t.

Moderates, swing voters, independents: you need our votes. For many of us, it isn’t a choice between Democrats and MAGA. It’s a choice between Democrats and staying home.

A lot of us haven’t seen the Democrats do enough to preserve what we care about: ending school shootings, protecting gay marriage from a Dobbs-type overturn, national healthcare, and reforms of so many basic social systems that have become rampantly predatory. They lost Roe. They didn’t do enough, they took it for granted, and they lost it, and I have zero faith that it won’t happen again. There is no anti-Project 2025 plan from the Democrats. There is a lot of fundraising against its spectre, but no plan.

And we see that if MAGA doesn’t win in 2024, it will only be a stay of execution; we will have Project 2029 instead.

Most of the Democrat voters don’t want to have this conversation, though. They want to assume I’m a MAGA follower for questioning what the Democrats are doing.

Dems cannot do what you want unless there is a majority in the House and a filibuster proof majority in the senate. So staying home means letting the GOP run roughshod over the country. How about supporting Dems and findng a handful of reasonable GOP who are willing to do something to protect human rights, and limit the damage the guns can do to our children.

Dems had this many times in the past decade +. They don’t pass anything progressive and left everything to the states to pass their own minimum wage and deal with abortion laws . Some of these states had abortion restrictions long before Dobbs in 2022.

This is due to Democratic failure

They had a filibuster proof majority for less than a year into Obama's first term at the start of one of the worst financial crises since the Great Depression. They got the ACA passed while seeking GOP buy in along with a stimulus act. Everything else was focused on getting us out of the next Great Depression, nitwit.

Yes, the bailout recycled from Bush that he passed bailing out the banks instead of jailing them and bailing out the homeowners . He used all that time to pass Romney care and extend Bush tax cuts for the rich (of course) then blamed young people/millennials for sitting out the midterms. The Dems have the audacity to blame progressives and young people . They sit out elections because they do nothing. Instead of fake tears over Sandy Hook, they should’ve passed assault weapon bans when they had the filibuster proof majorities which was often.

Republicans did not win the Senate and Congress at all and were decimated post-Bush and even Before in 2006. I remember Nancy Pelosi refused to impeach Bush over lying about Iraq but they all spent billions in tax payer funds to impeach Trump twice for paying porn stars and classified docs and failed

Filibuster proof majorities were there for far more than a year .

The Dems are nothing but a cluster f of disappointment to progressives pushed toward Trump like myself . The Dem Party deserves to burn to ash and rebuild from the beginning

The Democrats are a coalition of many interests. What has the GOP ever done for you? I'll wait. The sad thing is, they can just obstruct because, other than tax cuts and now mass deportations, they don't have any policies. Or rather, they don't have any popular policies. It's just easier to block the other side and say, "See government doesn't work. Vote for me!"

You are missing the lede. You aren’t talking to MAGA here. It’s not Dems vs MAGA. It’s Dems vs stay home.

We know you feel energized and hopeful. And that’s great! But we don’t. A Harris vote seems like kicking the can down the road. We turned out for HRC. We turned out for Biden-Harris. We still lost our rights and the Dems have shown us no plans to fight back, just asking us for cash and votes.

You know what, just stay home and suffer Project 202t.

Seriously.

I’m asking what the Dem plan is to codify law or otherwise prevent it from happening. Because if they don’t have a plan, and execute it, it’s coming.

But asking these questions is deeply unpopular.

Dems don’t have any plans for now or the future. Even if Kamala wins in a blue wave, what can she do about Dobbs if that decision was from the SC? Democrats are scared of Republicans and won’t be able to pass Roe v Wade through Congress and even if they actually get to do it, red states would still obstruct and make up their own laws so Dems will deal with it as always

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Anonymous wrote:Can Biden step down and hand Kamala the 47th presidency and she run as the incumbent?

If Biden isn't well enough to run, he's not well enough to lead. If Dems were genuinely as excited about Harris as posters here say, they would do this. That would lock in the nomination for Harris. Absent that, anything can happen in an open convention.

The convention is purely ceremonial. You get that. Right? Because the convention is being help after the Ohio deadline and maybe 1-2 others to submit the nominee. And no one trusts Ohio Rs when they say they will make an exception and put the Dem nominee on the ballot despite that, especially now. So, the actual delegate voting will start no earlier than 8/1 and will be completed no later than 8/7, via a virtual convention. And as of last evening, Harris had well over the number of delegates she needs. She’ll get the nomination in a virtual vote next week. That plan was announced under Biden when it became clear Ohio might try to keep him off the ballot. And it was announced yesterday that was still the plan. As it should be. I don’t trust Ohio or a red state to put Harris on the ballot.

By the time we reach the convention, she’s been formally nominated for a couple of weeks and already had her name submitted to the states. The convention is just free prime time and speeches and tag rah go team.

Why is the convention so late? Good question. The incumbent party goes last, and they are programming against the Olympics.

They chose television programming over ballot deadlines, and you want me to vote for them with that kind of judgment?

Trump tweets our national intelligence details, but you think he has good judgement?

No, I don’t.

Moderates, swing voters, independents: you need our votes. For many of us, it isn’t a choice between Democrats and MAGA. It’s a choice between Democrats and staying home.

A lot of us haven’t seen the Democrats do enough to preserve what we care about: ending school shootings, protecting gay marriage from a Dobbs-type overturn, national healthcare, and reforms of so many basic social systems that have become rampantly predatory. They lost Roe. They didn’t do enough, they took it for granted, and they lost it, and I have zero faith that it won’t happen again. There is no anti-Project 2025 plan from the Democrats. There is a lot of fundraising against its spectre, but no plan.

And we see that if MAGA doesn’t win in 2024, it will only be a stay of execution; we will have Project 2029 instead.

Most of the Democrat voters don’t want to have this conversation, though. They want to assume I’m a MAGA follower for questioning what the Democrats are doing.

Dems cannot do what you want unless there is a majority in the House and a filibuster proof majority in the senate. So staying home means letting the GOP run roughshod over the country. How about supporting Dems and findng a handful of reasonable GOP who are willing to do something to protect human rights, and limit the damage the guns can do to our children.

Dems had this many times in the past decade +. They don’t pass anything progressive and left everything to the states to pass their own minimum wage and deal with abortion laws . Some of these states had abortion restrictions long before Dobbs in 2022.

This is due to Democratic failure

They had a filibuster proof majority for less than a year into Obama's first term at the start of one of the worst financial crises since the Great Depression. They got the ACA passed while seeking GOP buy in along with a stimulus act. Everything else was focused on getting us out of the next Great Depression, nitwit.

Yes, the bailout recycled from Bush that he passed bailing out the banks instead of jailing them and bailing out the homeowners . He used all that time to pass Romney care and extend Bush tax cuts for the rich (of course) then blamed young people/millennials for sitting out the midterms. The Dems have the audacity to blame progressives and young people . They sit out elections because they do nothing. Instead of fake tears over Sandy Hook, they should’ve passed assault weapon bans when they had the filibuster proof majorities which was often.

Republicans did not win the Senate and Congress at all and were decimated post-Bush and even Before in 2006. I remember Nancy Pelosi refused to impeach Bush over lying about Iraq but they all spent billions in tax payer funds to impeach Trump twice for paying porn stars and classified docs and failed

Filibuster proof majorities were there for far more than a year .

The Dems are nothing but a cluster f of disappointment to progressives pushed toward Trump like myself . The Dem Party deserves to burn to ash and rebuild from the beginning

The Democrats are a coalition of many interests. What has the GOP ever done for you? I'll wait. The sad thing is, they can just obstruct because, other than tax cuts and now mass deportations, they don't have any policies. Or rather, they don't have any popular policies. It's just easier to block the other side and say, "See government doesn't work. Vote for me!"

You are missing the lede. You aren’t talking to MAGA here. It’s not Dems vs MAGA. It’s Dems vs stay home.

We know you feel energized and hopeful. And that’s great! But we don’t. A Harris vote seems like kicking the can down the road. We turned out for HRC. We turned out for Biden-Harris. We still lost our rights and the Dems have shown us no plans to fight back, just asking us for cash and votes.

You know what, just stay home and suffer Project 202t.

Seriously.

I’m asking what the Dem plan is to codify law or otherwise prevent it from happening. Because if they don’t have a plan, and execute it, it’s coming.

But asking these questions is deeply unpopular.

They will need to hope one or two conservative justices leave the SCOTUS or in the alternative develop a plan that the GOP would support to expand the court to cover all of the circuit courts.
They will need to pass a lot of legislation codifying our norms and practices, some of which may need GOP support.

Beyond that, they will need to continue to act with decency and hope the American public values that, and then levies the same expectation of behavior on the right.

If Dems keep the Senate (I think they will now) she can expand the court. Term limits take constitutional amendment.

She needs a filibuster proof majority. Otherwise, the GOP can just undo it the next time they hold a majority. What's so hard to understand?

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Anonymous wrote:Can Biden step down and hand Kamala the 47th presidency and she run as the incumbent?

If Biden isn't well enough to run, he's not well enough to lead. If Dems were genuinely as excited about Harris as posters here say, they would do this. That would lock in the nomination for Harris. Absent that, anything can happen in an open convention.

The convention is purely ceremonial. You get that. Right? Because the convention is being help after the Ohio deadline and maybe 1-2 others to submit the nominee. And no one trusts Ohio Rs when they say they will make an exception and put the Dem nominee on the ballot despite that, especially now. So, the actual delegate voting will start no earlier than 8/1 and will be completed no later than 8/7, via a virtual convention. And as of last evening, Harris had well over the number of delegates she needs. She’ll get the nomination in a virtual vote next week. That plan was announced under Biden when it became clear Ohio might try to keep him off the ballot. And it was announced yesterday that was still the plan. As it should be. I don’t trust Ohio or a red state to put Harris on the ballot.

By the time we reach the convention, she’s been formally nominated for a couple of weeks and already had her name submitted to the states. The convention is just free prime time and speeches and tag rah go team.

Why is the convention so late? Good question. The incumbent party goes last, and they are programming against the Olympics.

They chose television programming over ballot deadlines, and you want me to vote for them with that kind of judgment?

Trump tweets our national intelligence details, but you think he has good judgement?

No, I don’t.

Moderates, swing voters, independents: you need our votes. For many of us, it isn’t a choice between Democrats and MAGA. It’s a choice between Democrats and staying home.

A lot of us haven’t seen the Democrats do enough to preserve what we care about: ending school shootings, protecting gay marriage from a Dobbs-type overturn, national healthcare, and reforms of so many basic social systems that have become rampantly predatory. They lost Roe. They didn’t do enough, they took it for granted, and they lost it, and I have zero faith that it won’t happen again. There is no anti-Project 2025 plan from the Democrats. There is a lot of fundraising against its spectre, but no plan.

And we see that if MAGA doesn’t win in 2024, it will only be a stay of execution; we will have Project 2029 instead.

Most of the Democrat voters don’t want to have this conversation, though. They want to assume I’m a MAGA follower for questioning what the Democrats are doing.

Dems cannot do what you want unless there is a majority in the House and a filibuster proof majority in the senate. So staying home means letting the GOP run roughshod over the country. How about supporting Dems and findng a handful of reasonable GOP who are willing to do something to protect human rights, and limit the damage the guns can do to our children.

Dems had this many times in the past decade +. They don’t pass anything progressive and left everything to the states to pass their own minimum wage and deal with abortion laws . Some of these states had abortion restrictions long before Dobbs in 2022.

This is due to Democratic failure

They had a filibuster proof majority for less than a year into Obama's first term at the start of one of the worst financial crises since the Great Depression. They got the ACA passed while seeking GOP buy in along with a stimulus act. Everything else was focused on getting us out of the next Great Depression, nitwit.

Yes, the bailout recycled from Bush that he passed bailing out the banks instead of jailing them and bailing out the homeowners . He used all that time to pass Romney care and extend Bush tax cuts for the rich (of course) then blamed young people/millennials for sitting out the midterms. The Dems have the audacity to blame progressives and young people . They sit out elections because they do nothing. Instead of fake tears over Sandy Hook, they should’ve passed assault weapon bans when they had the filibuster proof majorities which was often.

Republicans did not win the Senate and Congress at all and were decimated post-Bush and even Before in 2006. I remember Nancy Pelosi refused to impeach Bush over lying about Iraq but they all spent billions in tax payer funds to impeach Trump twice for paying porn stars and classified docs and failed

Filibuster proof majorities were there for far more than a year .

The Dems are nothing but a cluster f of disappointment to progressives pushed toward Trump like myself . The Dem Party deserves to burn to ash and rebuild from the beginning

The Democrats are a coalition of many interests. What has the GOP ever done for you? I'll wait. The sad thing is, they can just obstruct because, other than tax cuts and now mass deportations, they don't have any policies. Or rather, they don't have any popular policies. It's just easier to block the other side and say, "See government doesn't work. Vote for me!"

You are missing the lede. You aren’t talking to MAGA here. It’s not Dems vs MAGA. It’s Dems vs stay home.

We know you feel energized and hopeful. And that’s great! But we don’t. A Harris vote seems like kicking the can down the road. We turned out for HRC. We turned out for Biden-Harris. We still lost our rights and the Dems have shown us no plans to fight back, just asking us for cash and votes.

You know what, just stay home and suffer Project 202t.

Seriously.

I’m asking what the Dem plan is to codify law or otherwise prevent it from happening. Because if they don’t have a plan, and execute it, it’s coming.

But asking these questions is deeply unpopular.

Dems don’t have any plans for now or the future. Even if Kamala wins in a blue wave, what can she do about Dobbs if that decision was from the SC? Democrats are scared of Republicans and won’t be able to pass Roe v Wade through Congress and even if they actually get to do it, red states would still obstruct and make up their own laws so Dems will deal with it as always

Are you this dense? They just tried to codify Roe and it was blocked: https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/congress/senate-republicans-block-democratic-bill-codifying-roe-v-wade-abortion-rcna161016

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Anonymous wrote:Can Biden step down and hand Kamala the 47th presidency and she run as the incumbent?

If Biden isn't well enough to run, he's not well enough to lead. If Dems were genuinely as excited about Harris as posters here say, they would do this. That would lock in the nomination for Harris. Absent that, anything can happen in an open convention.

The convention is purely ceremonial. You get that. Right? Because the convention is being help after the Ohio deadline and maybe 1-2 others to submit the nominee. And no one trusts Ohio Rs when they say they will make an exception and put the Dem nominee on the ballot despite that, especially now. So, the actual delegate voting will start no earlier than 8/1 and will be completed no later than 8/7, via a virtual convention. And as of last evening, Harris had well over the number of delegates she needs. She’ll get the nomination in a virtual vote next week. That plan was announced under Biden when it became clear Ohio might try to keep him off the ballot. And it was announced yesterday that was still the plan. As it should be. I don’t trust Ohio or a red state to put Harris on the ballot.

By the time we reach the convention, she’s been formally nominated for a couple of weeks and already had her name submitted to the states. The convention is just free prime time and speeches and tag rah go team.

Why is the convention so late? Good question. The incumbent party goes last, and they are programming against the Olympics.

They chose television programming over ballot deadlines, and you want me to vote for them with that kind of judgment?

Trump tweets our national intelligence details, but you think he has good judgement?

No, I don’t.

Moderates, swing voters, independents: you need our votes. For many of us, it isn’t a choice between Democrats and MAGA. It’s a choice between Democrats and staying home.

A lot of us haven’t seen the Democrats do enough to preserve what we care about: ending school shootings, protecting gay marriage from a Dobbs-type overturn, national healthcare, and reforms of so many basic social systems that have become rampantly predatory. They lost Roe. They didn’t do enough, they took it for granted, and they lost it, and I have zero faith that it won’t happen again. There is no anti-Project 2025 plan from the Democrats. There is a lot of fundraising against its spectre, but no plan.

And we see that if MAGA doesn’t win in 2024, it will only be a stay of execution; we will have Project 2029 instead.

Most of the Democrat voters don’t want to have this conversation, though. They want to assume I’m a MAGA follower for questioning what the Democrats are doing.

Dems cannot do what you want unless there is a majority in the House and a filibuster proof majority in the senate. So staying home means letting the GOP run roughshod over the country. How about supporting Dems and findng a handful of reasonable GOP who are willing to do something to protect human rights, and limit the damage the guns can do to our children.

Dems had this many times in the past decade +. They don’t pass anything progressive and left everything to the states to pass their own minimum wage and deal with abortion laws . Some of these states had abortion restrictions long before Dobbs in 2022.

This is due to Democratic failure

They had a filibuster proof majority for less than a year into Obama's first term at the start of one of the worst financial crises since the Great Depression. They got the ACA passed while seeking GOP buy in along with a stimulus act. Everything else was focused on getting us out of the next Great Depression, nitwit.

Yes, the bailout recycled from Bush that he passed bailing out the banks instead of jailing them and bailing out the homeowners . He used all that time to pass Romney care and extend Bush tax cuts for the rich (of course) then blamed young people/millennials for sitting out the midterms. The Dems have the audacity to blame progressives and young people . They sit out elections because they do nothing. Instead of fake tears over Sandy Hook, they should’ve passed assault weapon bans when they had the filibuster proof majorities which was often.

Republicans did not win the Senate and Congress at all and were decimated post-Bush and even Before in 2006. I remember Nancy Pelosi refused to impeach Bush over lying about Iraq but they all spent billions in tax payer funds to impeach Trump twice for paying porn stars and classified docs and failed

Filibuster proof majorities were there for far more than a year .

The Dems are nothing but a cluster f of disappointment to progressives pushed toward Trump like myself . The Dem Party deserves to burn to ash and rebuild from the beginning

The Democrats are a coalition of many interests. What has the GOP ever done for you? I'll wait. The sad thing is, they can just obstruct because, other than tax cuts and now mass deportations, they don't have any policies. Or rather, they don't have any popular policies. It's just easier to block the other side and say, "See government doesn't work. Vote for me!"

You are missing the lede. You aren’t talking to MAGA here. It’s not Dems vs MAGA. It’s Dems vs stay home.

We know you feel energized and hopeful. And that’s great! But we don’t. A Harris vote seems like kicking the can down the road. We turned out for HRC. We turned out for Biden-Harris. We still lost our rights and the Dems have shown us no plans to fight back, just asking us for cash and votes.

You know what, just stay home and suffer Project 202t.

Seriously.

I’m asking what the Dem plan is to codify law or otherwise prevent it from happening. Because if they don’t have a plan, and execute it, it’s coming.

But asking these questions is deeply unpopular.

Dems don’t have any plans for now or the future. Even if Kamala wins in a blue wave, what can she do about Dobbs if that decision was from the SC? Democrats are scared of Republicans and won’t be able to pass Roe v Wade through Congress and even if they actually get to do it, red states would still obstruct and make up their own laws so Dems will deal with it as always

Are you this dense? They just tried to codify Roe and it was blocked: https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/congress/senate-republicans-block-democratic-bill-codifying-roe-v-wade-abortion-rcna161016

Duh. They don’t have the majority to do so now. I’m saying if a blue wave comes, don’t expect anything different from the Dems. The Repubs are able to use “states rights” to counter anything progressive anyway

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Anonymous wrote:Can Biden step down and hand Kamala the 47th presidency and she run as the incumbent?

If Biden isn't well enough to run, he's not well enough to lead. If Dems were genuinely as excited about Harris as posters here say, they would do this. That would lock in the nomination for Harris. Absent that, anything can happen in an open convention.

The convention is purely ceremonial. You get that. Right? Because the convention is being help after the Ohio deadline and maybe 1-2 others to submit the nominee. And no one trusts Ohio Rs when they say they will make an exception and put the Dem nominee on the ballot despite that, especially now. So, the actual delegate voting will start no earlier than 8/1 and will be completed no later than 8/7, via a virtual convention. And as of last evening, Harris had well over the number of delegates she needs. She’ll get the nomination in a virtual vote next week. That plan was announced under Biden when it became clear Ohio might try to keep him off the ballot. And it was announced yesterday that was still the plan. As it should be. I don’t trust Ohio or a red state to put Harris on the ballot.

By the time we reach the convention, she’s been formally nominated for a couple of weeks and already had her name submitted to the states. The convention is just free prime time and speeches and tag rah go team.

Why is the convention so late? Good question. The incumbent party goes last, and they are programming against the Olympics.

They chose television programming over ballot deadlines, and you want me to vote for them with that kind of judgment?

Trump tweets our national intelligence details, but you think he has good judgement?

No, I don’t.

Moderates, swing voters, independents: you need our votes. For many of us, it isn’t a choice between Democrats and MAGA. It’s a choice between Democrats and staying home.

A lot of us haven’t seen the Democrats do enough to preserve what we care about: ending school shootings, protecting gay marriage from a Dobbs-type overturn, national healthcare, and reforms of so many basic social systems that have become rampantly predatory. They lost Roe. They didn’t do enough, they took it for granted, and they lost it, and I have zero faith that it won’t happen again. There is no anti-Project 2025 plan from the Democrats. There is a lot of fundraising against its spectre, but no plan.

And we see that if MAGA doesn’t win in 2024, it will only be a stay of execution; we will have Project 2029 instead.

Most of the Democrat voters don’t want to have this conversation, though. They want to assume I’m a MAGA follower for questioning what the Democrats are doing.

Dems cannot do what you want unless there is a majority in the House and a filibuster proof majority in the senate. So staying home means letting the GOP run roughshod over the country. How about supporting Dems and findng a handful of reasonable GOP who are willing to do something to protect human rights, and limit the damage the guns can do to our children.

Dems had this many times in the past decade +. They don’t pass anything progressive and left everything to the states to pass their own minimum wage and deal with abortion laws . Some of these states had abortion restrictions long before Dobbs in 2022.

This is due to Democratic failure

They had a filibuster proof majority for less than a year into Obama's first term at the start of one of the worst financial crises since the Great Depression. They got the ACA passed while seeking GOP buy in along with a stimulus act. Everything else was focused on getting us out of the next Great Depression, nitwit.

Yes, the bailout recycled from Bush that he passed bailing out the banks instead of jailing them and bailing out the homeowners . He used all that time to pass Romney care and extend Bush tax cuts for the rich (of course) then blamed young people/millennials for sitting out the midterms. The Dems have the audacity to blame progressives and young people . They sit out elections because they do nothing. Instead of fake tears over Sandy Hook, they should’ve passed assault weapon bans when they had the filibuster proof majorities which was often.

Republicans did not win the Senate and Congress at all and were decimated post-Bush and even Before in 2006. I remember Nancy Pelosi refused to impeach Bush over lying about Iraq but they all spent billions in tax payer funds to impeach Trump twice for paying porn stars and classified docs and failed

Filibuster proof majorities were there for far more than a year .

The Dems are nothing but a cluster f of disappointment to progressives pushed toward Trump like myself . The Dem Party deserves to burn to ash and rebuild from the beginning

The Democrats are a coalition of many interests. What has the GOP ever done for you? I'll wait. The sad thing is, they can just obstruct because, other than tax cuts and now mass deportations, they don't have any policies. Or rather, they don't have any popular policies. It's just easier to block the other side and say, "See government doesn't work. Vote for me!"

You are missing the lede. You aren’t talking to MAGA here. It’s not Dems vs MAGA. It’s Dems vs stay home.

We know you feel energized and hopeful. And that’s great! But we don’t. A Harris vote seems like kicking the can down the road. We turned out for HRC. We turned out for Biden-Harris. We still lost our rights and the Dems have shown us no plans to fight back, just asking us for cash and votes.

You know what, just stay home and suffer Project 202t.

Seriously.

I’m asking what the Dem plan is to codify law or otherwise prevent it from happening. Because if they don’t have a plan, and execute it, it’s coming.

But asking these questions is deeply unpopular.

Dems don’t have any plans for now or the future. Even if Kamala wins in a blue wave, what can she do about Dobbs if that decision was from the SC? Democrats are scared of Republicans and won’t be able to pass Roe v Wade through Congress and even if they actually get to do it, red states would still obstruct and make up their own laws so Dems will deal with it as always

The passage of a Roe law would still need to go through a SCOTUS test, but by the time it got there, it would likely be a 5-4 SCOTUS and if Alito and Thomas both age out, then it could be 5-4 for the liberal justices.

At some point, the Trumpy/Corrupt justices will be rooted out.

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Anonymous wrote:Can Biden step down and hand Kamala the 47th presidency and she run as the incumbent?

If Biden isn't well enough to run, he's not well enough to lead. If Dems were genuinely as excited about Harris as posters here say, they would do this. That would lock in the nomination for Harris. Absent that, anything can happen in an open convention.

The convention is purely ceremonial. You get that. Right? Because the convention is being help after the Ohio deadline and maybe 1-2 others to submit the nominee. And no one trusts Ohio Rs when they say they will make an exception and put the Dem nominee on the ballot despite that, especially now. So, the actual delegate voting will start no earlier than 8/1 and will be completed no later than 8/7, via a virtual convention. And as of last evening, Harris had well over the number of delegates she needs. She’ll get the nomination in a virtual vote next week. That plan was announced under Biden when it became clear Ohio might try to keep him off the ballot. And it was announced yesterday that was still the plan. As it should be. I don’t trust Ohio or a red state to put Harris on the ballot.

By the time we reach the convention, she’s been formally nominated for a couple of weeks and already had her name submitted to the states. The convention is just free prime time and speeches and tag rah go team.

Why is the convention so late? Good question. The incumbent party goes last, and they are programming against the Olympics.

They chose television programming over ballot deadlines, and you want me to vote for them with that kind of judgment?

Oh my! Choosing a later convention date has nothing to do with TV programming. In fact, it’s perfectly timed and Biden played made his power move in an epic way.

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Anonymous wrote:Can Biden step down and hand Kamala the 47th presidency and she run as the incumbent?

If Biden isn't well enough to run, he's not well enough to lead. If Dems were genuinely as excited about Harris as posters here say, they would do this. That would lock in the nomination for Harris. Absent that, anything can happen in an open convention.

The convention is purely ceremonial. You get that. Right? Because the convention is being help after the Ohio deadline and maybe 1-2 others to submit the nominee. And no one trusts Ohio Rs when they say they will make an exception and put the Dem nominee on the ballot despite that, especially now. So, the actual delegate voting will start no earlier than 8/1 and will be completed no later than 8/7, via a virtual convention. And as of last evening, Harris had well over the number of delegates she needs. She’ll get the nomination in a virtual vote next week. That plan was announced under Biden when it became clear Ohio might try to keep him off the ballot. And it was announced yesterday that was still the plan. As it should be. I don’t trust Ohio or a red state to put Harris on the ballot.

By the time we reach the convention, she’s been formally nominated for a couple of weeks and already had her name submitted to the states. The convention is just free prime time and speeches and tag rah go team.

Why is the convention so late? Good question. The incumbent party goes last, and they are programming against the Olympics.

They chose television programming over ballot deadlines, and you want me to vote for them with that kind of judgment?

Trump tweets our national intelligence details, but you think he has good judgement?

No, I don’t.

Moderates, swing voters, independents: you need our votes. For many of us, it isn’t a choice between Democrats and MAGA. It’s a choice between Democrats and staying home.

A lot of us haven’t seen the Democrats do enough to preserve what we care about: ending school shootings, protecting gay marriage from a Dobbs-type overturn, national healthcare, and reforms of so many basic social systems that have become rampantly predatory. They lost Roe. They didn’t do enough, they took it for granted, and they lost it, and I have zero faith that it won’t happen again. There is no anti-Project 2025 plan from the Democrats. There is a lot of fundraising against its spectre, but no plan.

And we see that if MAGA doesn’t win in 2024, it will only be a stay of execution; we will have Project 2029 instead.

Most of the Democrat voters don’t want to have this conversation, though. They want to assume I’m a MAGA follower for questioning what the Democrats are doing.

Dems cannot do what you want unless there is a majority in the House and a filibuster proof majority in the senate. So staying home means letting the GOP run roughshod over the country. How about supporting Dems and findng a handful of reasonable GOP who are willing to do something to protect human rights, and limit the damage the guns can do to our children.

Dems had this many times in the past decade +. They don’t pass anything progressive and left everything to the states to pass their own minimum wage and deal with abortion laws . Some of these states had abortion restrictions long before Dobbs in 2022.

This is due to Democratic failure

They had a filibuster proof majority for less than a year into Obama's first term at the start of one of the worst financial crises since the Great Depression. They got the ACA passed while seeking GOP buy in along with a stimulus act. Everything else was focused on getting us out of the next Great Depression, nitwit.

Yes, the bailout recycled from Bush that he passed bailing out the banks instead of jailing them and bailing out the homeowners . He used all that time to pass Romney care and extend Bush tax cuts for the rich (of course) then blamed young people/millennials for sitting out the midterms. The Dems have the audacity to blame progressives and young people . They sit out elections because they do nothing. Instead of fake tears over Sandy Hook, they should’ve passed assault weapon bans when they had the filibuster proof majorities which was often.

Republicans did not win the Senate and Congress at all and were decimated post-Bush and even Before in 2006. I remember Nancy Pelosi refused to impeach Bush over lying about Iraq but they all spent billions in tax payer funds to impeach Trump twice for paying porn stars and classified docs and failed

Filibuster proof majorities were there for far more than a year .

The Dems are nothing but a cluster f of disappointment to progressives pushed toward Trump like myself . The Dem Party deserves to burn to ash and rebuild from the beginning

The Democrats are a coalition of many interests. What has the GOP ever done for you? I'll wait. The sad thing is, they can just obstruct because, other than tax cuts and now mass deportations, they don't have any policies. Or rather, they don't have any popular policies. It's just easier to block the other side and say, "See government doesn't work. Vote for me!"

You are missing the lede. You aren’t talking to MAGA here. It’s not Dems vs MAGA. It’s Dems vs stay home.

We know you feel energized and hopeful. And that’s great! But we don’t. A Harris vote seems like kicking the can down the road. We turned out for HRC. We turned out for Biden-Harris. We still lost our rights and the Dems have shown us no plans to fight back, just asking us for cash and votes.

You know what, just stay home and suffer Project 202t.

Seriously.

I’m asking what the Dem plan is to codify law or otherwise prevent it from happening. Because if they don’t have a plan, and execute it, it’s coming.

But asking these questions is deeply unpopular.

Dems don’t have any plans for now or the future. Even if Kamala wins in a blue wave, what can she do about Dobbs if that decision was from the SC? Democrats are scared of Republicans and won’t be able to pass Roe v Wade through Congress and even if they actually get to do it, red states would still obstruct and make up their own laws so Dems will deal with it as always

The passage of a Roe law would still need to go through a SCOTUS test, but by the time it got there, it would likely be a 5-4 SCOTUS and if Alito and Thomas both age out, then it could be 5-4 for the liberal justices.

At some point, the Trumpy/Corrupt justices will be rooted out.

How? What method? Where is this deux ex machina? It took progressives close to 60 years to make to claim the victories of FDR and LBJ and it's been all downhill since Reagan. If Trump wins, he could replace Alito and Thomas with a corrupt partisan like Cannon who could be on the court for the next 30 years.